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>> oh! m mom! >> give me your hands. >> give me (bleep). >> okay. all right. (bleep) >> give me your hands. give me your hands. watch out. give me your hands. >> spray. neil: you hear a lot of shouting and screaming and tyre nichols several times calling out for his mom. at least half a dozen times by my count, could have been more than that, she lived 100 yards away, 200 yards away, literally within shouting distance. let's get more from dharls watson. >> hey, good morning, neil. you know, tyre nichols seemed surprised at the level of aggression that the memphis

police officers used to warn him on the videos you see the officers relently beat nichols for minutes during a january 7th traffic stop that turned violent almost immediately. body cam video shows an officer aggressively yanked nichols out of his vehicle as the 29-year-old tells officers he just wants to go home. a few moments later you see nichols escape from police who then tase him as he takes off down the road. at that point officers chase him. officers catch up to him and you see nichols on the ground as officers restrain him, punch him, pepper spray him. all the while the officers are demanding he give them his hands as nichols calls out for his mother. >> mom, mom! (bl (bleep) >> and you know, neil, even though it appears the officers have control of nichols, the

beating continues at one point you see an officer kick nichols in the head at least twice as if he was punting a football and then officers proceed to pass nichols around and again punching him in the face and striking him with a baton before he collapses and is later dragged and propped up against the police car for several minutes without having any aid rendered. it took more than 20 minutes for an ambulance to arrive on scene and help nichols who died from his injuries in a hospital three days later. instead of helping, some of the officers who have since been fired and charged with murder in nichols' death can be heard talking amongst one another claiming nichols had his hand on one of their guns. >> he was going for the gun, too. >> and he got him out of the car, hey, are you good. swung, pow, hit me. >> he reached for the gun.

>> now, to be clear, we never hear any officers mention nichols grabbed their gun during that violent confrontation, nor do we see it on camera. an attorney representing one of the officers who has been charged in the murder of nichols, desmond mills, jr. said in the state, mr. mills and i will review these videos together at the appropriate time, a thorough investigation of all available angles is needed before providing context or comment. my heart goes out to the nichols family and the entire city of memphis and hope all will express themselves peacefully. protests remained peaceful just as the nichols family opened for. activists were passionate and say they plan to be back out again tonight and many hadn't watched the full video saying it hurt too much. earlier in the day, nichols had t

had-- nichols' mother had this message. >> i want to say to the five police officers that murdered my son, you also disgraced your own families when you did this, but you know what? i'm going to pray for you and your families because at the end of the day, this shouldn't have happened. >> and you know, neil, those five officers, again, they've been charged with murder, but we're also told by officials here in memphis and in the county that other officers on the scene who maybe played a lesser extent are also being investigated along with two emt workers who have been relieved from duty, as an investigation is underway into the role they played in the treatment of nichols after he was beaten during those encounters, neil. neil: yeah, they arrived the scene 20 minutes before he was in an ambulance.

it doesn't make sense. charles, thank you very much. great reporting on this, charles, we appreciate it. to alexandra huff right now. relative calm across the nation, it could have been more violent and it won't close to that. that alone is surprising a lot of folks. >> yeah, it could indeed have something to do with how quickly the officers were arrested. the protests, largely peaceful, but it did boil over in several cities, memphis, the true impact in this case, protesters blocked interstate 55 where the bridge connects tennessee to arkansas and lasted for about two hours there and demonstrators took their voices to the police station, outside of that, there have not been any reports of any destruction there in that city though. in new york city, a handful of demonstrators were seen stomping on police cars in times square while yelling burn it down. and police fired what appeared

tear gas in an effort to disperse what appeared to be out of control crowd at a police station there. and tyre nichols grew up in sacramento and relocated to memphis, described the 29-year-old as a joyful person, a loving son and father to a four-year-old boy. there's no indication that nichols had any kind of criminal record and his mom described him as quote, near perfect. spoke to what he was doing before he was stopped by police on january 7th. listen. >> he was on his way home. he goes to shelby farms every weekend to watch the sunset. that's his passion. he either will go to skate board or, you know, but he was on his way home. >> and he wanted to get home and that's what he told police. and one of his friends said he was a peaceful person and

considered becoming a police officer to change things in the system. shortly after the footage depicting his beating the memphis grizzlies held a moment of silence before the start of their game. and the memphis police, they say, did the right thing firing the police officers. >> and quoting benjamin crump. and gianno caldwell, he was in memphis overnight and elsewhere now, but what did you discover? >> well, neil, as i was there during the pro test, what i could sense was a juxtaposition, anger and sadness by the way that mr. nichols was treated and also appreciation for the decisive measures in which chief davis, the police chief over there this memphis acted

in firing these officers and then them being quickly indicted. so, with that being the case, i think that's a part of a reason, a major part of the reason, if you will, why the protests were so peaceful. as me and my team arrived in memphis, we drove around the area to see where protesters were. we saw a lot of media, a lot of journalists, but we didn't really see a lot of protesters until we got on the bridge where protesters shut down the bridge, interestingly enough is the same bridge protesters shut down after george floyd's death. so it was quite a scene, not one in which a lot of us expected. we thought maybe there would be commotion or violence and thank goodness there were none of that that i saw and certainly, none that i've read being reported as of this time. >> you know, there are a lot of people, including attorneys for the nichols family were worried that we could have like another, you know, rodney king situation back in 1991, you know, where he was beaten at

the hand of the l.a. police department officers and just erupted almost nationwide at that point. none of that, why do you think that is? >> well, i think ben crump, which i had a conversation with and i interviewed him yesterday when i got to memphis, he says he believes it's decisive action on behalf of the chief of police as well, among others. i think that is a really major part of it, when you think about what typically happens in these cases, there's an investigation that is ongoing for a long time. they don't release the tapes in its full measure, typically, you may get bits and pieces and then there's things we may not be affair, we might want to know what happened here or there. in this case, they released the full tape, they have been fully transparent, it appears, and i think that's part of the reason why people said, you know what? the police are doing their job

and you know, there's no need to act out. now, of course, in cases you get people who want to take advantage of situations like these agitators, but those folks from where i was, were nowhere to be found. neil: you know, i'm a curious, you had a chance to catch up with benjamin crump, representing the family as he has in a number of tragedies. >> attorney general benjamin crump you've been the attorney for families of george floyd, breonna taylor, and others, and the response from the chief of police, it's clearly different. what stands out here? >> well, gianno, it is the immediacy of action, the fact that they moved swiftly to take action to terminate these officers and then we saw the

district attorney bring charges in less than 20 days. so, that sets a precedent. when you see police officers committing crimes on video, anybody committing crimes on video, then you should swiftly move towards justice, just like they did here in memphis, tennessee with these five black police officers. that should be the blueprint going forward. it shouldn't take six months or a year when you've got video evidence of police brutalizing a citizen. >> that's extended right now and apparently crump is looking into the scorpion unit of which these five officers are members. it's a separate unit that looks into serious cases of crime, but, the family and at least crump, they've succeeded for the time being that that will be shut down for a while. what are you hearing on that? >> yeah, i believe that unit has been suspended and i

haven't spoken with cj davis, i've known her for many, many years and i reached out and texted her and gave her a call and she's busy and i expect to speak with her in the coming days, but i think there's going to be reforms in memphis. city council members are looking to reform the system and cj, chief davis, i should say, she seems to be a person who wants to do it and i know her personally and i know that she has a good heart for these issues and she wants to do the right thing. so i'm expecting for there to be reforms. this unit may or may not be d disb disbanded, but considering what's happened, i'm pretty sure they'll disband it and announcing reforms in the coming weeks, i would imagine and both of those things take place and people across the country and were dealing with the protesters, kept their

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>> it's completely unacceptable for the biden administration to essentially shut off intelligence oversight committees review of these intelligence products. >> and threaten to shut down the senate at this point over it is just the wrong thing to do. >> i think that they could provide a classified briefing to give us fact patterns that rise above the level of the threat of the investigation. >> to see the documents would compromise the investigation. >> nobody is asking to impede the special counsel, but the intelligence committee needs to

know what kind of information we're dealing with. >> all right. more on this bipartisan concern, especially among members of the senate intelligence committee that did hear from the director of national intelligence, but didn't get many details as to those documents, what's in those documents. lucas tomlinson has more from the white house. where does this stand? >> well, neil, president biden says he has no regrets over the handling of documents, but the only one says perhaps he should have. >> i don't know that it's intentional, but whoever it access, the top eight in our government that get classified information a little differently than the rest of us. >> president biden is spending the weekend at camp david after spending the last two weekends in delaware at his two homes in wilmington and rehoboth beach and the last two weekends,

issues statements, more classified documents have been found. on your show, i think. and so far, we haven't reached out that there is any. speaking to our own rich edson since the documents were found. >> mistakes were made. i take full responsibility for it and directed my counsel to work with the department of justice with the archives and with the congress on a full investigation and we're cooperating in that as we speak. >> neil, john kirby didn't want to talk about the classified documents, nor reports that president biden could mark the one year anniversary of russia's full scale inflation of ukraine by going to europe. neil: lucas at the white house and the president is at camp david during the weekend. and let's go to matt finn, what's happening at the border. the administration crowing about certain numbers that seem

to show a dramatic decline of those trying to get into this country, but again, it's only certain countries. matt. >> neil, the biden administration is touting a 97% plummet in the weekly average of migrant encounters at the border, tallying four countries, cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, haiti, out of 140 husband crossing into the southern border and the back drop to any weekly average dip and the u.s. government reports last month there were 251,000 migrant encounters here at the southern border, that's the highest number ever in a single month. here at the border we did see a slower week this week so it will be interesting to see how the coming months fare in comparison to the record high month of december last year. and i talked about the numbers and the biden's administration's weekly average

dip. that may be true, but they're seeing a consistent if not higher numbers of human smuggling, drug busts, young children crossing into the border. if you watch our coverage, texas dps among other agencies, they are on the front lines here. they are the agents that are pursuing those high speed chases, putting their lives at risk every single day and texas dps says that they are seeing the illegal activity remaining very consistent here at the southern border and all week long, it was fairly cold here. i mean, we saw temperatures in the 30's and 40's in the morning and cold for southern texas and yet, we still saw adults carrying children across the rio grande river, the children whimpering and shivering, heart wrenching sight to see. here in eagle pass, the mayor pro tem and the spokesman for the city is a woman and an educator, you've had her on the show, and she's worried about some of the lifelong

ramifications of the people brought into the country and we worry about human smuggling and trafficking, where they end up, in the united states or anywhere else in the world. neil: thank you for that, matt finn at the border, eagle pass specifically. in the meantime back to memphis, we're waiting for press from local officials, breathing a sigh of relief after the relative calm. and hope it continues through this weekend. stay with us. to cut hundreds, off your monthly expenses, call newday the newday 100 va cash out loan lets you take out an average of $70,000. use that low-payment home loan to pay off your high-rate credit cards. then, pay off your car loan. and then take the cash left over and put it in the bank for the financial security that every veteran deserves.

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(upbeat music) >> all right. you know, we're only four weeks away from the one year start from this incredible war in ukraine when all of a sudden, four weeks from now, we look one year back on russian troops entering ukraine in a war that they thought would end within days, if not weeks. and it still lingers.

trey yingst in kyiv with more. >> neil, good morning. intense battles in ukraine as russian takes new territory, a town in the donbas region. there's widespread damage from artillery battles. the town sits to the southwest a population of more than 14,000 people before the war began. and they're reportedly making progress threatening to surround a ukrainian stronghold cutting off the supply lines. and three were killed due to a russian missile attack and others were injured. overnight president volodymyr zelenskyy described the situation in the east. >> the occupiers are not just storming our positions, they are deliberately and methodically destroying these towns and villages around them with artillery, air strikes,

missiles. the russian army has no shortage of little means and can only be stopped by force. >> analysts believe the russians are preparing for a more extensive ground operation in the coming weeks possibly to get ahead of the delivery of western tanks. and ukraine's ambassador to france says a total of 321 tanks have been promised to ukraine including those german made leopard two's and the u.s. abrams. and they're asking for fighter jets, specifically f-16's. the spokesman for the air force in kyiv the country would like at least 24 new planes before the end of this year, neil. neil: trey, be safe as i always say, you probably are sick of it, but i worry. and just back from ukraine, leading a small delegation, they wanted to get to the bottom of what was going on, help the folks where needed and general kind enough to join us.

general, obviously, you have probably a lot of jet lag and we appreciate you sharing your journey with us. what can you tell us? what did you learn? >> yeah, neil, thanks for having me this morning. bottom line, the ukrainians want to fight. they don't want u.s. troops, they don't want n.a.t.o. troops, all they want is equipment and they'll fight this to the end. it's clear to them this is an aggressive russian move targeted on civilians and infrastructure. we went out pretty far to the northeast, and we saw some absolute incredible destruction out there by the russians. it was targeted on infrastructure, it was targeted on hospitals. it was targeted on schools. in fact, the mayor of kyiv told us later that this is genocide and i think that when we looked at what's going to happen over there, i believe it's very important we get them the equipment to fight because i think we're on the cusp and probably going to come out in just a couple of months when we get into the spring and summer and then the fall, this is going to be a fight to the end. ukrainians are not going to

negotiate, they have no intention to negotiate. they want to eject russian forces from ukraine, i don't care if the donbas or crimea. it's a committed nation. if anybody doubts their loyalty to ukraine, they're badly mistaken. as i said, i think it's a fight to the finish. neil: you've been right along the way here and general, if they're adamant not giving up an inch of land or letting the russians have an inch of land and vladimir putin is adamant unleashing holy hell on civilians. he's not going anywhere, what's the end game here? >> yeah, here is where i think the end game is, neil. i think evicting the russians from ukraine, i think they've got the capacity to do it, they, the ukrainians with their the fighting spirit, if they've got the kit. and they've got them on their

heels. if the ukrainians can get them on the feel, from donbas or crimea, putin falls. and it ukraine is the second largest country in europe and i saw that driving that committed to freedom and democracy and they recognize they've got issues with things that have happened in the past, with, you know, illegal activities going on. they understand that. they're trying to correct it, but, boy, i tell you, the military is a fighting military. i saw it firsthand. we got pretty darn close to the area what they call the sorry line is, we used to call the line of contact and there's no doubt in my mind that they're committed to this fight and fight until the end. one of these two sides is going to win. i don't think there's going to be anything to negotiate. i don't think there's any negotiations despite what people want to talk about it. zelenskyy is not going to do it and neither is putin. neil: we don't have a lot of times, but else that vladimir putin had said that we crossed a red line, that is us, the

united states, and by extension, germany, providing tanks, abrams tanks on our part and advanced tanks that the germans are providing, that that was a red line. what did he mean by that? and what is he threatening? >> well, i don't know what he means by it, but he's the one who crossed the red line. he is the one who invaded ukraine. ukraine did not invade russia, when he talks about it he's tried to intimidate the alliance and the united states as well when he says crossed a red line, he's talking about it, he's shifting the red line and trying to get us afraid of his nuclear option. i wouldn't be afraid of that at all. i think we're in good position to push back on him and i think that ukraine is on a good position to push back on him. his talk is all bluster. he's got a major problem on his fifth military commander in ukraine, filling in now, as a senior four star fighting for the rushes shrussians there.

his army is badly damaged, 150,000 and fighting in human ways and traditional way the russians fight and artillery and mass wave attacks. neil: it's crazy general, you're the brave man that you are, thank you for this and thank you for your service to this country. and general keith kellogg on that. we will be taking you back to memphis, a fallout from a quiet night, they had expected and feared much worse in terms of protest, and you can credit a good deal of this to tyre nichols' mom. i'll explain after this. and one thing i learned being a firefighter is plan ahead. you don't know what you're getting into, but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody.

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>> all right. a presser going on among local officials right now in memphis, tennessee. we're monitoring this closely, among the speakers, jay hardaway, a state representative and others are sharing relief that last night's protests planned not only in memphis, but around the country, were unusually peaceful heeding perhaps a message from no less than tyre nichols' mother to say i want each and every one of you to protest in peace. protest, but in peace. so, it is remarkable that they followed that and not only in memphis, but across the country. we'll be monitoring that reaction and the fallout from the video that has gripped this nation like few others. these are images we have from three body camera videos and

one overhead surveillance video, all of this unfolds starting around 8:24 p.m. central time when officers initially stopped tyre nichols because he was apparently driving erratically and end at 9:02 p.m. central time when an ambulance finally arrives to help mr. nichols who would die two or three days later. and i repeated this the last hour and a half, this is very graphic. (bleep), i didn't do anything. >> (bleep). >> hey. >> turn around. >> all right, all right, all right. all right. (bleep) >> you don't do that, okay? >> get on the (bleep) ground. put your hand-- put your hands on your back. >> (bleep) >> you guys are doing a lot right now. stop. i just want to go home.

give me your hand. give me your hands. >> oh! m mom! >> give me your hands, bro. give me your hands, bro. . >> (bleep) give your hands. give us your hands! give us your hands! >> you know, i had seen that entire video since coming in and as a dad, hearing tyre nichols cry out for his mom, who turns out was but 200 yards away, ted williams, i've got to tell you, i can't be entirely objective or unbiased here. i just say, what the hell? what could precipitate grabbing someone out of their car to the

degree that they did for reckless driving? if i had been doing reckless driving or i do something like this, i doubt i would have got treatment like that, what do you think? >> well, you know, you're absolutely right. this was horrific. it was embarrassing to law enforcement officers all over the country, but, neil, you said you're a parent, you're a father. you cannot envision or imagine your child being treated this way. so when you put yourself in the shoes of mrs. nichols, the mother of tyre, you can imagine the traumatic that she's going through reliving what took place with her son over and over, and neil, the i think this about this is the nation, the nation last night tuned in to see a young man being beaten

mercifully by law enforcement officers in this country and i've got to tell you, neil, as a lawyer and as a former police officer i have represented police officers and i've represented citizens against police officers and the thing that i would have to tell our audience is, this really is the exception and not the norm, but, but for video camera, they would not believe what take place, unfortunately, in these neighborhoods and i think that, neil, there are a lot of black people who are crying out from the grave, i didn't do anything. i didn't do anything and they're dead. and that is one of the sad legacies that we're being left with in our country right now. neil: what i don't get and you've dealt with thousands of

these cases over your remarkable career, ted, all right. recklessly driving. all right. it's disproportionate to the act or the so-called criminal act if there was such a thing going on. i counted just watching the video, when i did, multiple sometimes that, you know, he was taser shocked, pepper sprayed, kicked, punched, batoned on the head, kicked in the head at these four times, i might point out, four times and i might have missed it, to say nothing of shoveled and constantly verbally abused and cursed at. you know, it just doesn't make sense. people watching this are saying, all right, this separate unit, this so-called scorpion unit which these officers were members, i know it's been suspended for the time being, it was an elite unit to deal with serious crime, i get that. it's been suspended and hoping these five officers were

extreme cases of other work that was dutifully going off legitimate crime, but it taints all, right? it taints not only this unit, but the entire police department and that at a time we can i'll ford that. >> you're absolutely right. we're at a period in our country where crime is off the charts and we need law enforcement to enforce the laws in our country, as well as in the city there of memphis, and when police officers act this way, and the public as a whole cities sees this situation, you get a certain kind of disrespect that comes on not only for these bad, rogue police officers, but it paints police officers all over this country with a broad brush and, neil, i've got to say it once more, that's unfair.

because there are good men and women on the police department. neil: absolutely, absolutely. >> and they go out and they do the job and they're out there serving and protecting us, and these men and women are dying, dying as a result of some criminal or are taken advantage of them. so, it's very troubling r troubling, neil. neil: you're right and ted, guys like you, it's good to here, you're the most annoyed and angered and i've talked to her police commissioners and city officials who fear the same way, they're the ang grgri est angry est at this. alita king is coming up. and we would experience turbulence. i would watch the flight attendants.

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>> you know, we're in this debt limit mess right now where we can't spend a penny over $31.4 trillion. i don't know how we're going to make it through, but we're going to make it through and in the middle of that, the congressional budget office dropped this doozy on us, the social security trust fund is going to run out of money in 10 years. hillary vaughan, say it isn't so. >> democrats are promising to keep republicans from putting their hand on social security and medicare, but if both programs are left untouched, according to experts, they will run out of cash anyway, leaving the 66 million people who rely on these benefits with nothing. the cbo estimates the cost of social security already exceeds the money it's bringing in. morning the balance in the trust funds will decline to zero in 2033 and no longer be able to pay full bernefits when

they're due. and the republicans are trying to do something, the debt limit, and spending. >> anybody with any sense knows we're going to have to reform those programs because we're going to honor the payments and the benefits for retirees and those what they were promised, but you can't do that if washington puts their head in the sand and ignores the inevitable problem that will come with those two programs. >> democrats on capitol hill and president biden say they don't want to negotiate any spending cuts to raise the debt ceiling and some democrats are deflecting responsibility for adding trillions in new government spending to the debt on their watch. >> congresswoman, quickly on the debt limit. democrats have been in charge the past two years, do you think that democrats have spent too much monday? >> i think the highest contribution has been the trump tax cuts. >> they could raise the retirement age to 70 years old. they could raise taxes to

increase the amount of money going into these programs. but doing nothing will not work, neil. neil: all right. bottom line is, we run out of dough for social security unless they do something and think up something fast because 10 years goes by just like that. doesn't it? and meanwhile, the fallout for what happened in memphis, and what they're trying to tell from memphis across the world. be angry, but stay calm. alvita king on how that's going after this. burger and fries...soup and salad. like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. with voya, considering all your financial choices together can help you make smarter decisions. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected. the future.

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>> the video was violent and disturbing. the protests, anything but. what you to make of the fallout of the release of the disturbing images that showed the beating and eventually

death of tyre nichols. we have alveda king the daughter of martin luther king, ad king, civil rights activist, kind enough to join us. i was thinking of your uncle martin luther king of course assassinated in memphis in 1968. so we're sensitive, that area is sensitive to issues like this, particularly issues like this, but they've handled it calmly in retrospect. a lot goes back to the mother who somehow was able to urge protesters to think peacefully, act rightfully, but think peacefully. what do you think? >> when you think of the heart of that precious mother who's calling for peace in the midst of that grief, i'm very familiar with that when my uncle was killed, my dad, my grandmother, and it's very difficult and first, it's important to have that relationship with god, but you can be comforted and yet,

comfort others so our hearts and prayers are to tyre's family. now, this is very important and i'm going to say it, neil, you have to think about it. you and i have had this discussion and always said that it wasn't about racism and skin color most of the time, even though that issue could be there. this is not because these officers were african-american men, the victim -- well, not victim, the suspect, let me be clear with my language, also african-american. but what we have, when we have a shoot first, ask questions later mentality whether it be with military or law enforcement or in any situation, we have to step back and think, martin luther king, jr. talked about man's inhumanity to man. we may not think about the fact even in these situations that we're dealing with human beings that have families, have parents, might be parents, all of this.

the officers themselves sometimes are in danger themselves when they go out to do their job. so, i'm calling for peace, i'm joining the mother, and let's be peaceful, let's be prayerful and take a real examination of what's happening with this escalated violence. the pepper spray, the violence with him on the ground, oh, my god, my heart was broken and i want to remember that myself that we're one blood, one human race, there can be man's inhumanity to man, whether they're women, children, men, women, any of that, so, neil, it's time for america to pray and reexamine how we treat each other. we have to learn to live together as brothers and sisters. we must not-- we just can't do it. neil: this was an overreaction? the way they pulled him out of the car, whatever prompted

this. >> whatever he had done or suspected of doing, yes, an overreaction, absolutely. neil: i was thinking, if this were one of my sons or me driving recklessly, you know, i don't think they would be treated the same way. i don't think i would be treated the same way, and it feeds a suspicion out there that there's a different sense of justice or legal treatment or police treatment as a result. do you think that's a fair criticism and how do you advise young african-american males, for example, to deal with this? >> well, in our community, if the officers have been blended or ethnically blended or white, latino, and black, asian, any of that, we could bring that into play and there's a saying that we have driving while black, but in this case, you're driving while you're black and you're apprehended by officers who are black, and so, just to

try to pin race, racially define it again. neil: right. >> this is man's inhumanity to man. human beings being inhumane to other human beings, whether or not the suspect had done whatever he may have been guilty of or not, i do believe that often our officers overreact because they're taught to shoot first and ask questions later, to not consider the humanity of the suspects. i believe that's the problem. it has to be dealt with. there has to be some compassionate training. you know, i talked on one of your shows before about a lady who was driving, she was anxious, she was pulled over, she happened to have been caucasian and they were rough-- the officers were rough with her and yelling at her and all of this and she was worried she had gotten an are the there was something wrong with her child at school. so nothing was considered except she was speeding and

breaking the law and what's wrong with her and nobody even thought about the lady, and do we think about human beings on either side and i believe we've got to look at it for a human perspective, we're one blood, one human race, and let's treat each other as human beings and let's stop being inhumane towards each other. neil: you're right alveda, in a moment like this, there's little time for self-reflection, but i was reminded that even from benjamin crump, the lawyer for the family, he was praising local officials how they quickly fired these five police officers. >> yes. neil: and they drew up charges and they suspended the so-called scorpion unit program for the time being. we don't have much, much time, alveda, but i'm just wondering whether their proactive response saved what could have been some pretty violent

protests? >> from the violent protests. i believe in every situation regardless of ethnicity or gender of the officers in play, if there's overreaction and it should be dealt with swiftly, regardless of ethnicity or other issues. neil: the message from your family when you remember your dad and you remember your uncle, they were alive today, reacting to this now, what would they say? >> they would join me in prayer for the family, for the mother. call for peace, get answers before rushing to a justice that we make up. let's see what really happened fully in the situation, but another person is dead. another human being is dead. something could have been done differently and he could be home with his mother today. neil: you're right. alveda, you make us think and you make us want to pray and i think those are two very important things. alveda. >> yes, thank you. neil: a asset to our nation,

alveda king, the niece of martin luther king, daughter of ad king, and two who understood peace in the nation, i think it will take time. griff jenkins and molly line to take you through the next two hours. that will do it here. be well. ♪ >> tyre nichols. >> say his name. >> tyre nichols. >> say his name. >> protesters in memphis, tennessee taking to the streets after the release of body cam footage from the arrest of tyre nichols. nichols was beaten by police officers following a traffic stop. he died in the hospital three days later. welcome to fox news live, i'm