♪ ♪ howard: journalists asked mike pence the question more than once, and the former vice president was confident. >> as we sit here in your home office in indiana, did you take any classified documents with you from the white house? >> i did not. >> do you see any reason for anyone to take classified documents with them leaving the white house? >> well, there'd be no reason to have classified documents. howard: well, as you know, that turned out to be untrue. pence's team contacted the

justice department to say they had found some classified documents from his vp days at his indiana home, and he says he that takes full responsibility. so another special counsel? are we in danger can of running out of them? no, the media reaction has been very different just as joe biden's discovery of one batch after another of classified material cast what donald trump did in a different light, the pence administration seemed to take the edge off biden's actions. ah, maybe this is a systemic problem. maybe a lot of this material is overclassified, maybe it's easy to misplace. maybe it's not that big a deal. for all the breathless headlines, nobody -- including journalists -- really believes pence intended anything nefarious or that biden really intended anything nefarious, so where does that leave the trump story? i know trump was engaged in a long subpoena battle leading to the fbi search that found 100 classified documents, but what was portrayed as utter recklessness according to the media could have involved the

same sloppiness as opposed to the def con 1 coverage surrounding the former prime minister. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪ ♪ howe ahead we'll talk to glenn greenwald about big tech, censorship and joe biden's attempt to break up google. the disclosure that mike pence also kept some classified documents has utterly transformed the media debate. >> for president biden, has been a hellacious pr nightmare that, you know, just drip, drip, drip. what shows is there's a problem with the system. right? mike pence didn't think he had documents either. >> mike pence, of all people, has just swooped in to save joe

biden. of. >> what mike pence did and what joe biden did is what law-abiding citizens would do. they find classified documents, they immediately contact the authority, they immediately secure them, and they immediately get them to the doj. donald trump, on the other hand, takes them, hides them. >> after squeaky-clean mike pence comes out of nowhere and says, hey, guys, i have classified docs at my house too. really, mike? we had joe pinned up against the wall, and now you're over here muddying up the waters? biden gets bailed out. howard: joining us now to analyze the coverage in new york, will cain, cohost of "fox & friends" weekend. and in los angeles, leslie marshall, the radio host and fox news contributor. will, what do you make of how the media's tone suddenly softened after the revelations about biden and pence, and now it's like, oops, what do you know? heck, this could have happened to anybody. >> so, howie, i agree in

participant, and i disthe agree wholeheartedly in part with your opening monologue here on "mediabuzz." first of all, i believe this does show there is some systemic problem in overclassifying and then, by extension, not taking care of documents from the federal government. i think that is true. and to your great credit as well, i think it highlights the hypocrisy of the media in the way they covered the raid on mar-a-lago, the existence of a raid over the summer, versus how they've covered joe biden this i didn't9 with. this winter. but you said something that i wholeheartedly disagree with. howard: you have the floor. >> nobody in the press, you said, seriously believes there's anything me tear yous -- nefarious when it comes to joe biden or mike pence. morning joe has revealed itself to be a propagandist can arm for washington d.c. there is an investigation into whether or not joe biden's son has corrupt influence-peddling deals with foreign adversarial governments, and there are are questions about what might be in

those documents held in wilmington, delaware. to hear "morning joe" try to draw some distinction the on famous premises, by way. biden held that. he held it from before the midterms in revealing it over the winter break. it's not as though he came forward. we're sill -- hell, we're still finding documents, much less the idea that the he has come clean and straight to the authorities. that's just a lie, and it covers over the idea or the revelation that there's an investigation into corruption. howard: just breachly, i was not including hunter biden in my assessment, but what i was saying that it seems to me that biden -- there was a problem because they, you know, we've talked about for weeks now. it was a problem because biden and his team held it for two months, didn't disclose everything they knew. but i want to get lesley in. it does seem like the

conventional media wisdom has turned on its head, and maybe the problem is there are too many classified documents floating around, and we can't investigate everybody who stuffs something in the wrong closet. >> i will agree with will on, like, four words or who sentences -- [laughter] and that would be that i think everybody's saying, look, the system doesn't work, obviously, because i think we all know that most likely former president trump, former vice president pence, current president biden weren't schlepping boxes on their own. there were people that did this, and there was a process, and how were these documents ranked and classified. that needs to be looked into. when we talk about how the media reacted, when these documents were originally found to be at mar-a-lago,-the paris time that we know of in the history of the united states that a former president had classified documents in their residence or outside of the national archives, the white house, inside the beltway where they belong. so that's, i think, why the

media a went on it, one. two, i'm sorry, when you talk about nefarious, when you look at the things donald trump has said during and since his presidency with regard to the lies about, you know, losing or winning an election, you know, the potential overthrowing of an election -- howard: that's a different point. you're going into a different point. >> -- january 6th, but, no, this is reason for the reaction by the media. but whenst like, oh, joe biden did it too, oh, mike pence did it too the, everybody becomes i don't want to say more desensitized, but calms down some because it seems to be less and less nefarious when you have more people involved. howard: donald trump did face a long, drawn-out subpoena ballot at the top, and i understand your criticism of "morning joe" and the panel. but my question here is, do you think there's any self-examination now by the media, even a smidgen of it, for how that was treated as just horrible betrayal of the united states of america and now it turns out, obviously, others

took classified documents as well. >> no. i don't think the media owns a mirror. i don't think there's any self-awareness or self-reflection. [laughter] leslie, you did say and use some words that qualified it very well when you said that that we mow of. joe biden's classified documents date back to his vice president by, that predates donald trump's administration. now, we didn't know about it, but clear clearly, classified documents were's escaping the confines much earlier than donald trump the, it's just that the media paid attention to it at a certain venture. howely -- howie, i'm not here to criticize "morning joe" in particular. i think they're emblematic of the media at large. bringing up meanter, by the way, the reason -- hunter, by the way, it's serious. hunter had access to those classified documents. you know, these potential influence-peddling scandals we're talking about were helping pay the rent on some of those

houses. hunter was drawing a salary from ukraine and getting money and deals with china and paying joe biden $50,000 a month for that home. so there's serious national security or concerns on specific documents when it comes to joe biden. we can still sit here together, the three of us, and say, look, we're really overclassifying documentings. that's a clear systemic issue, but there's also specific facts and specific instances that deserve scrutiny. howard: all right. in fairness to joe scarborough and his crew, when stories were tunnel the bling out about this batch and that batch of documents that president biden had, they were very critical, and the press really turned aggressively against the president. but now i think taken a different turn. so, leslie, if the current president, the former president, the former vice president all couldn't keep track of these classified docs, average folks must view as kind of a beltway flap that can't be taken that seriously. to you agree or disagree -- do you agree or disagree? >> i do agree, and it's not top

of mind for voters. i know people think we're hoping especially on the right, as you can hear will saying -- which, by way, all three of us are a part of the media. we're just all different facets of the media with like i opine, right, for a living as a political analyst and democratic strategist. but the bottom line here, to your point, howie, is, first of all, another thing. when you have the national archives saying, hey, we need those, and you have to have a subpoena issue, that's certainly highlighted as well. but again, the american people, although they do think it's serious and they do think the system is broken, i don't think now that they're seeing a republican, a democrat, a republican and now you have people saying to bill clinton, barack obama, george bush, hey, can you check if you have any dock counits. howe u howe right. >> i don't think the american people peel -- people feel it's nefarious. howard: i've got about a minute for each of you. will, tell me if this post on

truth social helps donald trump. he talks about the fake media, they're really doing badly and closing up shop all over the place. well, nobody's closing up shop. cnn is vacating its massive atlanta headquarters, which the former president pointed out, and then he says "the washington post" is firing massive numbers of people, actually cutting about 20 newsroom positions. do these kinds of attacks on the press now lose their sting because trump has made them so often? >> no. look, there are macroeconomic issues that are forcing cuts and layoffs in newsrooms across the industry. there's also simultaneously the fact that newsrooms and media with, and i think there are different -- i think we can point to a consensus in the media while also saying we stand out from the media here at fox, i think everyone can agree on that, by the way, i think we can also say the media has lost entire credibility with the audience. now, is that connected? is there a declining business model because of the loss of credibility? i do think so. but i don't think i can say it's

directly related. howard: let me jump in, because i want to get to leslie. trump back on the campaign trail yesterday, new hampshire and south carolina. here's something he said in south carolina. >> if i was president, there would not have been a war with russia in ukraine. i would have a peace deal negotiated within 24 hours. howard: is that helpful while we are fighting or supporting ukraine in this war against russia, or is it getting much attention? >> it's not true. b, it's not helpful. c, for some of his followers, his maga base, anything the he says is rah-rah, they're going to cheer it, and it gives him equal or more credibility. i think to the rest of the world with, been there, done that, don't want to go back, and we're tired of hearing this. it's not helpful. i think everyone would agree regardless of your politics, we need to be united in supporting ukraine, the people of ukraine against the oppression and the war that was brought upon them by vladimir putin.

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howard: when facebook said donald trump is allowed back on its platform after a 2-year ban, the media uproar was predictably partisan. bret baier spoke to facebook's global affairs president, nick clegg. >> there are the guardrails, there are rules. he's got to play by the rules. he's a former president of this country vying to be a candidate for the next presidential elections, and we don't really want to all things being equal, you know, stand in the way. >> they deplatformed the sitting president of the united states

of america, and it's not just that he's are running for office and could be a pooch president, they did that while he was in office. >> it is the a foolish choice. what nick clegg was saying is disgraceful. the idea of risk of political violence has receded since then. >> you don't want to hand over the keys to democracy to have someone destroy that democracy. howard: will, the second that meta announced the lifting of ban, it seemed like every left-leaning commentator said this is awful, this is dangerous. you just heard he's been handed the keys to democracy. it's a social media app. a little bit hooch hyper-- too much hyperventilating? >> yeah, i'd say slightly. i don't know where hay take it from here, is there an 11? [laughter] violence on our doorstep. st really striking how much the press absolutely abhors free speech, in a way. in a way it'sal like the barber industry wanting to make sure all bar we ares are licensed. it plays into the media's

advantage to assume there are some people that shouldn't have free speech, but it's the really, really revealing how antagonistic they are and how much hay embrace censorship. if really quickly on this note, yeah, of course, the sitting president of the united states should have free access to the platform, and it's absurd that he didn't. on that violence note, like so many things, howie, president trump's words have always been twisted into a falsehood. i give you the very fine people moment many his presidency which i'm shiewf you're done on this -- sure you've done on this show. on january 6th there is no example of him inciting violence. so what is the threat now? there wasn't one in the past, there's not one to point to, and so you can't use it as an escape hatch now to once genre accelerate to cent censorship. howard: leslie, the main benefit of facebook to donald trump in the last campaign wasn't messaging. he had twitter for that and, of course, he's been restored by elon musk, but it was online fundraising and advertising, so that could be a significant

factor in this coming campaign. >> facebook is a company. they could care less if donald trump wins or loses, runs, etc. they care about money and hair bottom line. that's not just facebook, that's any company, social media company or otherwise. they're having him back because they lost people on facebook, and that means they lost money, and that's their bottom line. and that is the only reason. i'm sorry, when somebody says you're banned, to me, that's a permanent thing, and when these companies go you're banned today for an hour, a week, that's not a ban. i don't care if it's donald trump trump or if it's me. but with regard to january 6th, it is social media and not just the former president, but social media and comments on social media -- not just facebook, but other media outlets as well, social media outlets -- that led to what happened on that day. and that day certainly did become violent, and there was even threats to people's lives as we know, both democrats and republicans and, certainly, to

our democracy. so i don't think that people are overreacting on my side of the aisle with response to the. >> burden, if you embrace censorship in response to that, you have the burden with of directly connecting it to the former president of the united states whom you intend to ban. and it seems to me when i hear those -- >> private companies don't have to apply -- the first amendment doesn't -- >> leslie, i'm just using my ears. >> by the companies -- >> may i finish? let me just finish really quickly. i'm just using my ears, and i'm listening to facebook essentially adopt the idea of the standard of law. when they say in he incites violence, they are echoing the laws of the united states. that is when censorship can be allowed you were our laws and constitution. they seem to be adopting that. and then, therefore, you need to show me where his incitement of violence lies. show me the tweet, the statement that incited violence. howard: of course, that's been the subject of a years-long debate. leslie, you can come back to will's point, and the question

is wasn't facebook under considerable pressure to lift this ban especially with the house republican majority coming in and aiming for social media companies? and then you can talk about, you know, whether he incited or didn't incite. tensions were running high two years ago. what's the possible justification for -- now? [laughter] >> well, you're right, i mean, you know, republicans have power in the house. again, facebook's looking at hair bottom line and what's going to best serve them. and there's going to be any the legislation that would hurt hem or other social media outlets -- which they don't care about, they care about a themselves and hair bottom line -- can those decisions are going to be the made based on that. i think we're pretty naive if we hi otherwise. if democrats take over in another couple of years, you might see a ban again. howard: very briefly. >> my point is the hypocrisy. i've had people on the right try and cancel me, many people on the left. they went me off -- want me off fox, it's got to go both ways.

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howard: let me warn everybody, in this violent bootage is hard to watch. the newly-released security cam video of a man breaking into nancy pelosi's san francisco home. we see the shards of glass flying as david depape uses a hammer to break in in and is attack on 82-year-old paul pelosi. >> the hi. drop the hammer. >> nope. >> hey. hey, hey -- >> what is going on right now? [background sounds] howard: pelosi had managed to call police, but they couldn't stop hammer attack in time.

for some reason, terrible crime gave rise to spring conspiracy theories that that pelosi and depape; who threatened to kneecap the congresswoman, knew each other in some kind of relationship including in this nbc report which was later retracted. >> the 82-year-old did not immediately declare an emergency or try to leave his home, but instead began walking several feet back into the foyer toward the assailant and away from police. >> we still don't know exactly what unfolded between mr. pelosi and the suspect for the 30 minutes they were alone inside that house before police arrived. howard: joining us now, griff jenkins, fox news correspondent an. and, griff, why would nbc and others peddle conspiracy theories when paul pelosi was hospitalized with a fractured skulker and authorities made clear from the start that this was a vicious assault on an elderly man? >> reporter: some of the report was accurate talking about, you know, this incident

happening and maybe the police weren't fully aware of whose house they were going to. but when he implies that paul pelosi was not in imminent danger, that that took the us to a whole new area, and these conspiracy theories -- remember, depape is there because of conspiracy theories. he read online what fueled it, making the point that these conspiracy theories can lead to danger. and in the case, the vicious attack we just watched on paul pelosi and, by the way, the video also showing paul pelosi, an 82-year-old man, trying to remain calm while also struggling with the hammer, pretty much doing everything he should be doing in that situation. howard: right. it wasn't even a who dun it. we knew -- david depape confessed on video. he wanted to kneecap nancy pelosi. he had other democratic targets. and just the other day he called in to radio -- excuse me, a television the station, ktvu. >> i want to apologize to everyone, i messed up. what i did was really bad, i'm

so sorry i didn't get more of them. howard: meaning democrats. so no remorse whatsoever even now. that's the story, not this speculative garage. >> he's doubling down, and that's why you've got people even like talk show host glenn beck who is not afraid to engage in conspiracy theories saying this absolutely is debunked, this is, you know, a clear politically-polarized, motivated attack on the husband of the former speaker of the house. you know, conspiracy theorists, howie, should just leave it to bigfoot, ufos, maybe who shot jfk because this is, and i'm making a light remark, but this points to the dangers that these situations get us into. and when you had a mainstream news organization like nbc sort of pave the way to open up the questions that then led -- it only fueled it. howard: yeah. if you've got evidence, fine. but, obviously, the source turned out to be wrong. i want to turn to something else which is just this month, griff, we have had a record-breaking

number of mass shootings. there was a third one in l.a. yesterday. three people were killed. after the coverage of two other california shootings had already faded, monterey park, half-moon bay. we were on the air last week. some of these lesser shootings are not getting covered at all, maybe for a few hours. what can the media do about this? it seems like a dilemma. you don't want to blow it off, but at the same time, there's so many of them. >> they can simply not become numb, howie. you know, people ask me all the time, i've been at this network for more than 20 years, what's the toughest story you ever covered? newtown, county, sandy hook. trying to interview parents about their children just killed or the pulse anything nightclub or san bernardino. every single time it is the, deserves our attention. they can't become numb to these. and as you point out, three in california in one week, wow. howard: yeah. and we can't normalize it and say, oh, this is just a story that's worth two sentences. on the other hand, it's been a rough month. see you a little later in the

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howard: my next guest, glenn greenwall ed, posted this: if you find yourself constantly saying, oh, my god, i used to love great leftist, but overnight he turned into a fascist, maybe it's worth reflecting when you are stuck in a framework with no reference t- [inaudible] power. the host of system update on rumble. i know you weren't talking about yourself, it was russell brand, but you get that a lot. i love you as a left-winger, why did you sell out and become a right-winger. what's the larger message about journalism when you hear hose kinds of critiques?

>> i think it's probably the natural cycle of history are that some point in the past certain issues and debates are at the forefront and certain alliances form and ideas about what constitutes left and right get to bind. and then as hose issues change, as power centers transform, the alliances shift. you know, i haven't really changed any of my core views at all. -- any of my core view ises. you can go back to 2010, and i say the same things that i more often say on fox news and i think that's because questions on war, on the security state, on corporate power, a lot of the opposition and skepticism has come more from the right. that was donald trump's 2016 campaign against republican and democratic establishments. howard: let's turn to the limits of beltway punditry. you point out more than 10 million americans voted for barack obama and then voted for donald trump. of you say the insular d.c. pundits can't comprehend that

except to demean such people as being confused and dumb. >> yeah. i mean, if you spend all of your life connected to professionalized, political discourse, then you think over here is the far left, here's far right, here's the middle. you don't just jump from one to the other. you kind of make your way, first, to becoming a centrist. but for most people that seems to be can be the at least millions of them -- that seems to be not how they're thinking. hay voted for obama who promised to destroy the way things are done in d.c. and then the trump who made the same promise. in 2016 a lot of people were saying, including joe logan -- joe rogan, a lot of people these frameworks aren't how they see the world anymore. they're against the establishment. and that can express itself in left, right or no politics familiar to d.c. pun punditry. howard: right. we really should toss them out. the biden department has filed a

lawsuit to break up google. i'm surprised this is not a bigger story, and what do you make of the reaction to this legal attack the on google? >> i mean, this is a perfect if example of what we were just talking about. in 2020 the trump justice department brought a similar lawsuit against google to to break up part of bag to google's business. they were focused on the search results, one is focused on the way hay manipulate the public and the market through their dominance in ad revenue. but anger toward big tech centralization is something that comes on the right and the left, and yetst the establishment of both parties that protect google and facebook. they get a lot of money from those lobbyists, a lot of support from those big corporations, and it's sort of this populist idea that these companies have gotten way too powerful to be reconcilable with a healthy democracy. and i think there are some really good people in the biden justice department and the ftc who share a lot of views with people on the right who are saying it's enough, enough is

enough, these companies are not healthy for the free market or for our democracy. howard: right. so the biden white house first leaked and then president biden confirmed that the u.s. is sending 31 abrams tanks to ukraine. is the coverage, especially with the house gop talking about whether the u.s. is giving ukraine too much of a blank check, fair or one-sided, in your view? >> my view has long been and, i mean, i always remember this article you wrote back in 2003 percent washington post when you critiqued your own paper that is real -- that the real bias of corporate media tends to be deferential to the security state. joe biden himself, howie, said we're at the the most dangerous moment in human history since the cuban missile crisis. the we're closer to global annihilation than ever before, and both say it's the because of the war in ukraine. so to just keep pouring gasoline on that fire, tens of billions of dollars worth, no end in

sight, tanks and now they want fighter jets, we're very close to a direct war between the united states and the single largest nuclear power on the planet, which is russia. and that deserves all of our attention. and it seems like it's getting very little. the more dangerous it gets, the less attention we pay. howard: you and i have a different view of this substantively, which i think ukraine is fighting our battle; that is, the west and nato. you said the democratic party and its primary media allies beat up on anybody who questions the war, who questions russiagate as being foreign agents of the kremlin. isn't that a bit of a broad brush? >> no. i mean, if you go back, there was just a matt taibbi revelation from the twitter files about the hamilton 68 -- included in 2017 by bill kristol and the cia that was designed to call anybody who was opposing any d.c. unorthodoxy a kremlin propagandist. i interviewed one of the leading german politicians against the

war, and she said if you even question german support, you instantly get accused of being a putin propagandist. this has become a pernicious way to stifle debate. we should be able to debate that without one another being accused of being an asset or an agent of a foreign power. howard: i'll agree with that. >> it's almost impossible now. howard: elon musk tweeted that he met with speaker connect mccarthy and democratic leader hakeem jeffries who said, no, there was no meeting scheduled, he just bumped into them. does that make musk look a little bit more partisan? >> i mean, i hope -- i i think elon musk should be sitting down with leading members of both parties. i don't know what the truth there was, but they seem to have the spoken. i would encourage elon musk to do that, gain confidence in both sides that everyone is able to speak freely with clearly-defined exceptions that apply equally to everybody. howard: right. he did talk to the biden white

house people about pushing electric vehicles, no surprise there. glenn greenwall ed, thank you so much. >> thank you, howie. howard: after the break, how media are covering murder charges against five black memphis cops and one black man with no criminal record who wound up dead. ♪e so ♪ een a long road, but now i'm working for schwab. i love to help people understand the world through their lens break up part of goog business. you can call us christmas eve at four o'clock in the morning. we're gonna always make sure that you have all of the financial tools and support to secure your financial future. that means a lot for my community and for every community.

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black who have been charged with second-degree murder brutally beat him when he fled after a routine traffic stop, it was clear this is a gut-wrenching case. here she is talking to cnn's don lemon. >> why is it that black and brown kids always get beat up when they are encountered with the police? i don't care what color the police officer. but by them being black, it hurt black community. howard: we were warned by memphis police chief cerelyn davis who's also black that the police video was absolutely devastating to watch, and let me warn everybody who may want to turn away, it is. >> mom! >> watch out, watch out. >> mom! howard: this is from an overhead light post as we see the officers taking turns ai salting tyre nichols who's on the ground and defenseless. joining us now, gianno caldwell,

fox news political analyst who covered story in in memphis, and griff jenkins as well. gianno, i think the media have properly played out horror of what happened to this 29-year-old guy, working two shifts at his job, going home to his mother's house. five black police officers are pounding him, kicking him in the head, three days later he dies. but have the media also positively portrayed how the memphis police chief handled this situation? >> you know what? i haven't necessarily seen that, to be honest, but i'll tell you, i've known her for many years, and she's a great person. she really has respect for law and order and, certainly, understands that there are realities in which african-americans, especially african-american men, have faced in this country largely the fear that many feel when it comes to interacting with police. we see the rodney king case, george floyd, a number of instances that have occurred throughout our country's history

which makes individuals fearful. now, i also think that police shouldn't be painted with a broad brush. some need training, some go into these environments where you think about going in places like inglewood on the south side of chicago where people are violence, aggressive and could cause issues. but at the same time, i think that the the respect for what we saw with c.j., c.j. davis, the chief, was how things should be going moving forward. i think she created a national blueprint about how officers should act when situations like these occur. her decisiveness and, certainly, the way she allowed protesters to protest the, no riot gear, and insured that safety still was the topic of the day. howard: well, i agree with that. and just yesterday she abolished this special unit, the scorpion unit that these officers were a part of. griff, you're from memphis. there was preparation that there would be violent protests in memphis and other cities when that video was released on

friday night. not only admit did the nichols family call for nonviolence, but their lawyers, like benjamin crump, said it was a model case. >> it was in the sense that you got out in front of it. i've been talking to friends and family, they're worried about what happens on the day of the final, what about going forward. and let's not forget that as gianno was pointing out, chief davis has done a good job with the city because the city was already rampant with crime, trying to get it under control. i think she, by the way, is going to be more in the spotlight because it looks like there may have been a pattern or a culture of this sort of behavior not just five rogue officers. but to the larger question about where, you know, the media coverage goes now, i think it does put a spotlight on the difference in memphis as opposedded to when i covered everything from baltimore to ferguson, to minneapolis, because they got out in front, and the officers were fired and charged before we saw that horrific video. howard: right. there was a quick investigation, quick firings, quick charges,

quick release of the body cam bootage. in some cities this drags on for a year, and that just makes the edgeses boil over. so you mentioned you know the police chief, c.j. davis. here is a snippet of an interview with her from cnn. >> what do you make of the race of officers? >> so it takes race off the table, but it does indicate to me that bias might be a factor also in, you know, in the manner in which we engage the community. howard: so, gianno, on the surface it seems like, well, not much of a racial component, black officers, black victim. but listening to various african-americans in recent days, i'm hearing that black cops are often viewed as upholding a white system whose tactics are seen as unfair. and they may have their own views about black suspects. >> well, yes. i think i can agree with that. not that they're upholding white

supremacy or -- howard: i wasn't saying that. >> most police officers are honorable. but i do think that there are considerations with black officers, and in some cases people may feel that they're treated worse by black officers than white officers in some cases. to be honest, it's a -- as a black man myself, when i go get my driver's license picture taken, i go in, wear a full suit. i have a tie on. i smile big because i recognize that if the police pull me over and they see how i'm identified in my driver's license photo, maybe they would think twice about who i might be if this happens to be a nefarious officer. that should not be the case for anyone no matter what your color is. but that is what we have experienced in this country. and things need to change. there the needs to be proactive training. we saw what was going on if on capitol hill when there was discussions after george floyd. senator tim scott laid it out perfectly, democrats didn't want to give us certain things, and we didn't get anything done.

we need to return back to the negotiation table and insure that there is safety for all and people can have the proper training moving forward. howard: well, things do need to change, and your experience -- thinking about the picture on your driver's license -- really hammers home how different it is for particularly young, black men. griff, just briefly, sometimes the media just play the footage and kind of explain things. i think it's been a little more restrained here, would you agree? >> there is because it's so difficult to watch. as gianno was sort of pointing out in the interview with the chief and don lemon, take race off the table. now you look at the ambiguity of police officers engaging, and they crossed all the lines. we don't need to keep seeing it to come to a decision. it's pretty clear what happened here -- howard: it is. >> it's clear what needs to happen now. howard: it is crystal clear. gianno, here's what i don't get. these officers, they know about george floyd, eric garner on staten island, all the other cases where black men died at the hands of police. they know they're wearing body

cams, and yet they even high-fived each other at the end of this. it was appalling and disgusting. why would they do that knowing this was all going to be seen? it's hard to fathom. >> my only thought on that is that they believed that they can get away with it. that's the only thing that i can think of. and if what you mentioned, if there was a pattern and a practice of this in that police department before chief davis took over, then it makes all the sense in the world. yes, they think they can get away with it, and we've seen this happen with a number of other police departments across the country. that's why you see the consent decrees, because the doj will go in and investigate and determine that this has been a culture. so that's my only -- howard: i think you put your finger on it. they thought they could get away with it, and maybe 20 years ago they would have -- >> absolutely, they would have. howard: gianno caldwell, griff jenkins, thanks for joining us. still to come, tom brady gets testy, and directv givesar

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howard: when tom brady, whose season with the tampa bay bucs, was on jim gray's show, my colleague did his job. >> do you have any type of a timetable as to what you might want to do regarding your football career? >> jim, if i knew what i was going to [bleep] do, i'd have already [bleep] do it, okay? i'm taking it a day at a time. >> i sense you're antagonized by the question. howard: look, i get that brady, who retired and soon unretired, hasn't made up his mind, but he had no right to go off on jim gray who asked the question in his usual gentlemanly manner, and if he hadn't have asked the

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pain and anger spilling into the streets of memphis and across other cities in our country. protests have been mostly peaceful after friday's release of body cam video showing the brutal beating that led to the death of tyre nichols. demonstrators now demanding justice. hello everyone welcome to fox news alive i am arthel neville, hi erica. >> hello arthel thank you for joining us i am eric shawn. five officers involved in a deadly beating have not fired and now charged with