♪ >> that does it for us this morning. >> it was fun. glad you were working with us today. thank you all for joining us, too. >> run to the radio now. >> go listen to brian's radio show. >> dana: minutes away way from the start of day three from the alex murdaugh trial. he is charged with murdering his wife and son. last week we heard bombshell testimony from the first officer on the scene that day. this week is expected to be just as riveting. we'll keep you updated. america turning its attention to police reform. the killing of tyre nichols reigniting that debate. bill is off.

i'm dana perino. >> more on the big name coming up. i'm sandra smith. this is "america's newsroom." on friday officials are released footage. five officers brutally beating him while he cries for his mom. americans are fed up. >> dana: the protests over the weekend remained mostly peaceful. demonstrators are urging washington to take up police reform. congress is divided and compromise may be elusive. >> shame on us if we don't use his tragic death to finally get justice and policing act passed. >> we need a national conversation about policing in a responsible and humane way. these men and women with badges put them on each day and risk their lives for us, i know that. we also see from these videos horrible conduct by these same officers and unacceptable

situations. we have to change this for the better. >> there has been this attack on law enforcement and you are not getting the best -- >> fox team coverage. reaction from geraldo rivera and leo terrell coming up. mark meredith is standing by to kick things off in washington. the nation has been here before, we know that. do those calling for change really expect anything to happen this time? >> i think everybody is trying to hedge bets. they realize this is a conversation that will happen. tyre nichols death is generating comments for police -- even with widespread outrage unclear if anything will be different this time around. much of this weekend the focus was on the protests in memphis and other cities. this week in washington the attention will be on two men. cory booker of new jersey and republican senator tim scott of south carolina. both men leading the charge for

law enforcement reforms back in 2021. back then negotiations fell apart over disagreements on how to handle qualified immunity or what kind of protections officers should have from potential lawsuits. senator booker will renew his efforts this week. senator scott says he wants to see change. senator scott writing we've been here too many times before and can't continue down this path. america cannot stand silent. this was a man beaten by the power of the state. hearing from members of the congressional black caucus who say nichols death is a reminder of need for reforms. they wrote yesterday to that end the congressional black caucus is requesting a meeting with the president for this week to push for negotiations on national reforms to our justice system, the actions and conduct of law enforcement. we don't know if the president will meet with members of the caucus this week. the white house is urging congress to send reforms to the president's desk.

it's unlear at this point. the president is holding remarks. today his comments are focused on infrastructure, not police reform. >> mark meredith, thank you. >> dana: we want to bring in the panel. geraldo rivera and leo terrell civil rights attorney and fox news contributor. ben crump was on our air over the weekend. listen. >> i believe it's part of the institutionalized police culture that makes it somehow allowed. it doesn't matter if the officers are black, hispanic or white. it is part of the culture. >> so you believe there was racial bias towards tyre even though all five of those officers who have been charged with second degree murder are black? >> absolutely. it is not the race of the police officer that is the determining factor. it is the race of the citizen. >> dana: let's get your take, leo terrell as we have digested the news and now calls for

reform once again. >> thank you very much. first of all this was not a racially motivated case. police misconduct comes in all colors. the democrats just won't let that race card go. they are trying to play a race card. i would suggest strongly you have officers who are out of control. when they talk about legislation, dana, on the national level. president trump suggested legislation during his administration. it was a political football. blocked by cory booker, kamala harris. it is a race card issue that people will not let go. if you want a solution, it's local. dana, in los angeles right now they are calling for the elimination of law enforcement. there is no police support in democratic cities and that's the problem. you need to have a confidence in law enforcement before you stop this. one other point very important. it is a lack of training. people have no motivation to become police officers. there has been an attack on law enforcement for three years. why would you want to become a

law enforcement officers where you don't have the protection and support of the people and prosecutors? >> there is no doubt police reform is back in the national spotlight after seeing that played out there at this point over the weekend, the american people took in the horrifying images. "wall street journal" says this, an important point in all this. the death of tyre nichols, police who beat the young man are being held accountable. case as ugly as this one is cause for dismay and reflection but the solution is to recruit and train more good police, not condemn all police. will we learn our lessons from past moments in history like this? >> well, sandra, they tried very hard in memphis to recruit a police force that looked like the community. memphis is over 60% black. the police department is nearly

60% black. so they succeeded in integrating. it wasn't an army of occupation. it was a police force that looked like a community that they sought to serve. the problem becomes there were no supervisors there. no sergeants there, no people to oversee the conduct of the five black cops who responded. those cops were taught and told by the police chief, chief davis, and by the mayor, that they wanted those cops to be tough. memphis is one of the most violent, if not the most violent city in the country. per capita in murders it was 350 murders a couple of years ago. new york city 13 times larger had 500. you know, so you can see that memphis was far more brutally violent. in that context, where everybody wants the cops to be a hammer rick everything starts looking like a nail. the cops go out, they get filled

with adrenaline, they overdo it very often and tyre nichols case and the tragic, disgusting way. but you have to understand that the conduct of those cops has to be viewed in the context of the very difficult situation in which they were thrust by an administration desperate to control crime in one of the most violent-riddled cities in the country, if not the most violent. so i think we have to put things in perspective. i'm all for reform. there is no place in any law enforcement for a cop who would do what we saw in that video. but this is easy in the comfort of your living room to judge them. spend a night in one of those very, very difficult as leo knows, very difficult cities in terms of crime and you will have a whole different perspective, sandra and dana. >> dana: last word to leo. >> first of all i don't know the

race of the officer is not at issue. i want to be clear. i worked on cases like this. let me be very clear. those officers were not trained to beat up tyre nichols. that is not police training at all. there is a disconnect in the argument. you cannot get good law enforcement officers unless you have law enforcement support. there is another urban myth. black people do want police officers. 95%, sandra and dana, of the officers are great. there are 3 or 4% roten to the core and they need to be removed. let's be very lear. this country needs law enforcement. every civilized country has law enforcement to protect its citizens. >> customs and border protection telling fox news nearly 300,000 known gotaways at the border so far this fiscal year.

it only began october 1st. that averages out to 2,450 migrants a day who are evading border patrol and escaping into the united states. new york city's migrant crisis is spur algorithm out of control. doesens of migrants refusing to leave a hotel last night after the city tried to relocate them to a new shelter. david lee miller is live outside the watson hotel. what is behind you right now? what's the scene there? >> behind me is the hotel. possibly a tourist destination. now as you can see there are dozens of migrants living on the street. let me explain now why. the hotel has been the temporary home for dozens of migrants all of them single men. men who are here without their families. and they say now that they are being unfairly evicted by the city from this hotel. the city says it wants to use

this facility to house migrant families. migrants who are here with their women and children. yesterday a number of the migrants were put on buses to be relocated in a cruise terminal in brooklyn. men boarded the buses, looked at the facilities they were being provided and returned here to the hotel watson saying the conditions were absolutely deplorable. one activist we spoke to speaking on behalf of the migrants said the conditions if brooklyn were not acceptable. >> there is a large structure, 1,000 beds. beds made out of hard material. no space for personal belongings. if you have personal belongings you put them in a longer out of your control. only four bathrooms for 1,000 men. unsustainable. for anybody who is working. an isolated part of the city away from many of them work and it is cold. >> the men who left brooklyn and

came here tried to reenter the hotel watson and were not per mist mitted to do so. many living on the street. some of the lucky ones in tents. the mayor's office issued a statement, portion of it reads the facilities at the brooklyn cruise terminal provided the same services as any other humanitarian relief in the city. they took place as planned. we remain in serious need of support from both our state and federal governments. we got an update from the mayor's office saying that advocacy groups here are fomenting a great deal of disruption taking place. meanwhile the number of the advocates are saying they want new york city to reallocate housing facilities even the hotel watson not acceptable. they want long-term housing in apartments. the bottom line here, sandra. since september as you know, some 42,000 migrants have

arrived in new york city predominantly from texas and the city as the mayor has said simply overwhelmed. back to you. >> very difficult situation seems to only be getting worse. keep us posted live from new york city. >> i wasn't aware there are tropes about jews and money. that has been very enlightening part of this journey. >> dana: ilhan omar deflecting blame for her remarks that blocked her from the house foreign affairs committee. not the only democrat pushing back on a committee snub. >> a major breakthrough in artificial intelligence being compared to the launch of the iphone. we'll break down the good and the bad of this transformative technology. >> dana: there is this. >> 45 yards, all the way, it's

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>> dana: but they are actually. three house democrats put in the hot seat after being booted from house committees. congressman adam schiff and eric swalwell and ilhan omar deflecting blame when asked to respond. speaker mccarthy's reasons for removing them. >> you said there was direct evidence of the fact that donald trump colluded with russia back in 2016. >> to most americans that's collusion. this is only one of a shifting series of rationalization and

retext that mccarthy is using. >> did you put yourself in a vulnerable position in any way so this alleged chinese spy could have benefited or even learned american secrets. >> absolutely not. there is nothing there. >> congresswoman omar about what republicans are saying about you that there is a pattern of anti-semitic and other controversial statements that make you unfit to sit on the house foreign affairs committee. >> i wasn't aware of the fact there were tropes about jews and money. that has been very enlightening part of this journey. >> dana: in my opinion, sandra, i think fine, do one show together but move on. they aren't going to be on the committees. they continue to fundraise off it to figure out a way to get past it and move on. it won't end well if they keep doing it. >> sandra: fascinating interviews over the weekend.

elections have consequences. >> dana: also for omar. it was her own party who was in a position of almost being able to have enough votes to censor her on the floor. it didn't happen. there was also this. watch here. >> we have to be prepared and actually educate more the members of a.i. capabilities there are some things that can find cures in medicine but also threats out there. >> sandra: raising concerns over a new artificial intelligence platform booming in popularity. chat gpt was launched november 30th and topped 1 million users in one week shattering records and comparing comparisons to the launch of the iphone. fox business panel joins us now. lydia hu and cheryl casone, the host of american dream home.

ladies hour here on monday morning on "america's newsroom." so this is a legitimate real concern. these concerns are being raised in growing numbers. >> in multiple news outlets and across coffee table and boardroom discussions happening everywhere. you can't fight technology. to use a martial add acknowledge you can't fight the tape. don't fight a.i. i think it's exciting and incredible. a tool and resource. there is fear mongering about that it will replace us and kill jobs. yeah, it is going to kill some jobs but guess what? expedia killed the travel agent industry and many jobs and we survived and made it okay, everybody. if you want to be committee meetings on this and hearings and all that there are other things to focus on. i would be looking at other issues to bring here. >> dana: when it comes to technology congress is always behind. so it's already here so they say

they want to regulate it now. lydia. i was talking to a friend of a p.r. firm. when they got back from the weekend they had it write a fake press release and it was good. junior levels or positions right now have to figure out a way to incorporate this to help the older people in their business to keep their jobs. >> the real trick is harnessing it so it helps rather than hurts us. something i hear from a lot of educators thinking about how to incorporate chat gpt into the classrooms. they think how can i use this to develop and further lesson plans so students aren't just using it to cheat. one thing when we think whether or not to regulate china is also looking at how to use this. we had a big announcement from a chinese company today saying they are planning to launch their equivalent of chat gpt later this spring to go head-to-head with us. as we see technology evolving

there isn't just consumer use that we have to stay in the forefront. how will governments use this, too. >> sandra: comparing it to google and there is some who think it could take the place of that. but it has proven to have inaccuracies that would render this not happening immediately. >> these are from educators, professors, the same people clutching their pearls now and saying no, students will cheat on exams. students know how to cheat on exams? so yeah, look, again going back to yes, there is plenty of mistakes in some of these chat gpt essays and exam questions. mediocre c plus student if you are chat gpt is the best way to describe it. look, concern about medical students using it. you also have clinical work that you do when you go to medical school. see patients face-to-face. so come on, i think it is a

tool, resource, amazing. 1 1/2 billion dollar industry is the projection. i think it's low ball. i think it will be more. >> sandra: real estate agents find it useful in the work they do. >> dana: frees them to do other things. >> the cheating front, i talked to a professor from south carolina who caught one student teacher and now he will have an immediate orall exams to anyone he expects cheating. be warned. >> they should do that anyway. >> dana: somebody sent me something that you could have a watermark. >> we have to run. google is all over this. they won't get left behind. don't worry about google right now. >> dana: thank you, ladies. >> my whole campaign for this election has been unity. we need all of us. we need addition, not

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>> this is my last term as chair. i'm saying it on fox news. it is done. this is my last term. >> dana: next guest became the longest serving national committee chair after winning re-election on friday. ronna mcdaniel is here. congratulations to you. i want to listen to one of your

challengers what she said yesterday, call for number one. >> nobody is going to unite around the party the way it is. ignoring the grassroots of the party, refusing to take the steps necessary to help us actually win. i do hope even though ronna got reelected shh he is getting the wake-up call coming from outside this willing. >> dana: was there a wake-up call in the process for you, ronna? >> there is always things that we can be learning and improving on as a party and certainly we love the grassroots. we need them engaged to be poll watchers and workers and door knockers, all those things. but i have run on unity, dana and said we have to start coming together. we can't be so vitriolic so each other that we can't win elections. republicans refused to support other republicans coming out of divisive primaries. that's what really resonated with the rnc members. we have to start coming together and recognize we will only win if we are united against the democrats. >> dana: the headline.

from the associated press saying that republicans confront bitter divide. no clear path forward except there was one thing i think there is a lot of agreement on. i would love to hear your thoughts on how the republican party plans to address this. a need to focus on early voting. what tactically can you do to change that? >> i think there has been a lot of misinformation on that actually because we beat the democrats in florida in early voting and north carolina. we just won a seat in california using ballot harvesting. but we need to replicate in other states what is working well in states like florida. so the rnc is invested in those states for a long time. it is voter registration, minority outreach, community centers and continuing to grow that infrastructure. the rnc don't pick the candidates, the voters do. we don't call the plays, the campaigns do but we build a vital infrastructure. the last election 4 million more republicans turned out than

democrats and we would have won the elector y'all vote based on the turnout. the top vote getter in states like arizona, new hampshire and georgia. three critical states we need to win the white house in 2024. the rnc turnout machine and look at ways to improve but the last election showed that we did turn out more republicans than democrats did. >> dana: looking forward to 2024 and you said this will be your last term you are serving. president biden looks like he is gearing up to announce for re-election. dnc has its winter meeting coming up at the end of the week. what are their vulnerabilities and what are the republicans in a position to go against them? one of the things that some republicans are concerned about if you have 17 candidates running at the same time, it will dilute the message as there are other republican infighting and not enough focus against going against biden. >> we don't have our field set yet, dana, as you know. our debates will start probably in july or august. that will give us a good feel

before then as to what our field looks like. look at biden. still ignoring the border. we still have inflation. we still have people losing jobs across this country and do not feel like their lives are better off under this biden administration. i think we have a great opportunity to take back the white house. i will reiterate again it only happens if republicans come together. if we continue to fight each other and focus on each other that we lose sight of the bigger picture we won't win. so it is about addition, not subtraction and what i'm running on and one of our roles coming out of the primary is making sure every candidate who is seeking the nomination supports the eventual nominee. >> dana: ronna mcdaniel. i don't know if you are a glut onfor punishment but you won the vote 111-51. congratulations, see you soon. >> thanks, dana. >> sandra: lawmakers on both sides of the aisle asking if some documents are classified

too easily. this after classified document discoveries involving former president trump, president biden and former vice president mike pence. a top intelligence committee official's call for more transparency. peter doocy is live at the white house for us. there is bipartisan concern about overclassification in the wake of these discoveries. >> that's not all. just because the white house isn't saying a ton doesn't mean lawmakers on capitol hill aren't expressing concern about sources and methods. >> these actually put people's lives at risk working to try to protect our country and keep the secrets safe. >> others are puzzled why they are being stiff armed by intel officials. >> these are probably materials we already have access to. we don't know which ones they are. it's not about being noesi. if those document were sensitive and materials were sensitive and pose a national security threat

to the united states the intelligence agencies are tasked with the job of ways to mitigate that. >> they are figuring out a way oh tell senators more without jeopardizing the biden or trump special counsel investigations. so far top republicans and top democrats are very unhappy with the lack of transparency. president biden is trying hard to change the subject. he has got events out of town this week about infrastructure and fundraisers out of town as we inch closer to february when he could reportedly start to think about making a re-election or not announcement. sandra. >> sandra: it will get interesting real soon. peter doocy at the white house. thank you. >> dana reads sports. >> dana: the stage is set for super bowl lvii, watch. >> 45 yards, all the way, it's good. >> dana: the kansas city chiefs with a last-second field goal to beat our own bill hemmer's

cincinnati bengals. sorry, bill. 23-20 yesterday. in two weeks they play the philadelphia eagles. they knocked 49ers quarterbacks out of the game. there was controversy after the game in new york city. new yorkers were shocked to see the empire state building in new york lit up in green and white though -- no n honor of the eagles victory. they told people that the green and white was celebrating them. super bowl lvii will kick off in arizona february 12th and catch the game on fox. >> sandra: they're calling it a betrayal of new yorkers. >> dana: i think the tweets were pretty funny. do we have this? for anyone who finds this as treacherous -- i don't have it

with me. they got some attention but they also did the red and white for the kansas city chiefs. >> sandra: remarkable. if you are an eagles fan you will rub this in for a little while. i don't know. >> dana: we'll see how jesse watters is tonight on the five. big eagles fan. >> sandra: a major tennis weekend. djokovic won the australian open in straight sets yesterday after being deported from the country over his decision to remain unvaccinated last year. clay travis will join us on that. did you see this? chicago mayor lori lightfoot out dancing in the streets while crime ravages her city. jimmy failla will take this one on next. ♪

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>> dana: chicago mayor lori lightfoot taking to the streets of chicago to dance for a lunar new year celebration. she was surrounded by shutdown businesses that have fled over record crime rates. let's bring in fox across america host jimmy failla. today versus this time last year. robberies up 26%, burglary 11%, theft 24%. motor vehicle theft up 165%. i know that mayors have a lot of roles and a lot of things going on in a city. do you criticize her for this? >> it looks tone deaf. the reason people have an issue with it the dance move she has

been doing is the hustle. look at the numbers on chicago. not just in terms of crime, but in terms of businesses. everything downtown is vacant. there is a direct correlation between high rates of violent crime and low rates of economic opportunity. people don't feel safe spending money in chicago is also driving up the crime numbers. in turn she has looked indifferent every time you see her on tv she is fighting something besides the real issue. if you cycle back through her term, you remember the first time they pressed her on the murder rates spiking. it is a racist smear and i only take questions from journalists of color. they weren't complaining about the murder rate she was black but that black people were getting killed in record numbers and always demonstrated this indifference. that's the biggest concern. you can get out there and dance but look tone deaf. under lori lightfoot chicago's number one business chain is a space called place for rent. everyone is leaving. >> sandra: it dismisses the reality that is a tough life for anybody chosen to stay in that

city. so many have fled. to your point about the vacancies downtown. we are talking the magnificent mile where you would go for your special day of shopping for residents of chicago and surrounding areas. they are now saying vacancies on the magnificent mile are 30% while crime is spiking. these store fronts are empty. the retailers have fled the city. >> people don't feel safe. that's the biggest problem right now. that's about one in three stores if my community college math is right. you think every third store in chicago you have a vacancy. if they won't spend money downtown which is where there is a heavier population and police presence, imagine how it has spiraled into the outer regions of chicago. the only thing to add to this video nice to see people complain about someone's dance than but mine but i don't like it. >> dana: harry styles ripped his

pants while dancing. those are serious moves there to the point he had to wrap a shirt around it. here is julie, her tiktok video. >> the pants rip, wow. oh my gosh. the good news is if you look like him, nobody is complaining that he ripped his pants. i have never done that. i've done things. nothing on that level. where it might be embarrassing for him not because he ripped his pants but if you remember he loves jennifer aniston, his first celebrity crush and she was there. it is not going well for him. she offered him a role on her sitcom caused just friends. >> dana: you can't wear leather. they weren't even that tight. i came in and said i like your

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jonathan serrie is covering the trial. >> that witness is melinda warley from the law enforcement division for the state. the defendant's attorney is trying to raise doubt of the integrity of the crime scene. she examined gun and ammunition found on alex murdaugh's estate where his wife maggie and 22-year-old son paul were fatally shot. another sled agent interviewed alex murdaugh who said he believed the shootings were related to the 2019 boat wreck that killed a 19-year-old woman. investigators determined paul was intoxicated while operating the boat and murdaugh said his son was harassed and punched in public. >> has rereceived threats

related to the boat accident? >> yes, all the time. >> recently? >> yes. he gets them all the time. he gets them all the time. >> in that interview his clothes appear to be clean. prosecution suggests that contradicts the defendant's claims that he tried to check his wife and son's pulse in the middle of this bloody crime scene. the defense suggests the clean clothes suggest that murdaugh had no involvement in the shootings. no obvious blood spatter. one courtroom observer suggests future evidence to be presented to the jury will help resolve that. >> the snapchat video at 7:45 will come into play. there was a change of clothes i think we'll see from 7:45 to the time the police came after the murders. >> if convicted murdaugh could face anywhere from 30 years to life in prison without parole,

dana. >> dana: thank you so much, jonathan. we'll keep in touch. >> sandra: after back-to-back water outages last year jackson, mississippi faces a water crisis that could last a decade. community groups like operation good are working to provide clean water while engineers try to fix the aging broken pipe systems in mississippi's capital city. fred is with operation good in mississippi and you have a good story to tell, sir, you stepped in and you try to help these folks out, many of which go through moments where they can't have showers, clean drinking water. it is brutal on some of these residents. so much so that residents and businesses have been fleeing. what is the problem and life like for people living through this? >> apparently we have an infrastructure problem where we have a water treatment plant that went down.

we're in the rebuilding stage. with the rebuilding stage it causes pressure on some of the weaker pipes and continue to have water breakage in the city. so it's putting a lot of strain on the already improveer -- it puts stress on the citizens. we try to insure the citizens have water to make it through the crisis and sanitary part that they can use to take baths or whatever they need to do with them. >> sandra: to tell this story we have the numbers that show the residents and businesses fleeing jackson because of these problems. the population there going back to 1990, sir. it was over 200,000 and now it's 150,000. jackson has seen 10% of its residents leave in just the past decade. the number is bigger when you go back to 1990.

research shows that 6,000 of nearly 9,000 businesses have fled that city in the same time period 1990 to 2022. you have real economic problems if your residents and businesses are leaving, right, fred? >> right. absolutely. that's one of the things that is making the situations even worse. with the businesses leaving the tax base is leaving. we won't be able to maintain the infrastructure and also in our city it is -- we have a very bad economic problem that leads to violence and it leads to hopelessness amongst the population. without the businesses being here, the workforce development is declining and making the situation drastically worse. therefore, we are trying to get this together so that we can bring new businesses back to jackson. >> sandra: people are relying

heavily on organizations like yours for help. there are likely a lot of other cities in the same position. the american society of civil engineers grade the united states a c minus overall in drinking water systems. so a lot of places need repair. quick final thought on what people can do to help. we're seeing a lot of donations of water there to jackson. >> right. well, you know, with the water crisis in december, you know, donations declined a little bit. we received a lot over the summer but with it happening again, the donations have declined some. we hope our neighbors reach out and still send water our way so that we can help insure that the people have clean drinking water. >> sandra: you are wearing the name of th