next several week, march 9th. >> dana: i might be wrong. >> they obviously will have time to debate back an forth. the first meeting with them. no cameras allowed in the room but the speaker may come out to cameras afterwards. >> dana: thank you, mark and good to be with you, bill. all right. rock-n-roll. "the faulkner focus" is up next. >> harris: breaking news continues this hour. they promised to hold the biden administration accountable and they are delivering. the house republican majority launching its first investigative hearings just about 30 minutes ago. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." on the hot seat those closest to making the biggest decisions on covid money and the unmitigated disaster at our southern border. in detail the house oversight committee is tackling waste, fraud, abuse in federal covid relief spending. now the debt limit is being

discussed. the house judiciary committee is all in on the president's border crisis. we have fox team coverage, chad pergram on capitol hill watching that oversight committee hearing. bill melugin at the southern border with an exclusive report. and chairman jim jordan of judiciary hot out of the gate a if you seconds ago. let's watch. >> the biden administration does not have operational control of the border. month after month after month we have set records for migrants coming into the country. and frankly, i think it's intentional. i don't know how anyone with common sense or logic can reach any other conclusion. under president trump the border was secure, under president biden there is no border. americans are paying the price. >> harris: and today for very strong reasons and you'll see coming up, major concerns about exactly who is coming into our nation? arrests of illegal immigrants on the terror watch list surging

this fiscal year. at least 40 of them since just october 1st. 17 in the month of december alone. let's start with bill melugin in mission, texas and get into those concerns about who is coming here. >> good morning to you. i can tell you just a short time ago i had a phone call with a dhs official who spoke to me on background. we reported this morning that an iranian man was caught at the texas border last week and was initially flagged on the f.b.i. terror watch list. the dhs official tells me after further vetting they have determined he is not a match on the terror watch list. so let's go into how this all started and what we know about this. take a look at this video. it started as a texas dps traffic stop near del rio last week. the texas trooper opens the car and find five illegal immigrants smuggled inside.

all single adult men including a man in the red hoodie in the back of the trunk being smuggled later identified as an iranian national. pull up the photos from texas dps he was i.d.ed as a 29 jerrold with an iranian passport showing he was born in tehran. we were told border patrol arrived and ran checks. we were initially told by law enforcement sources that during those initial checks his name and date of birth were matches on the f.b.i.'s terror watch list. i reached out to dhs and ice to ask about this five days ago, last thursday. they never got back to me. i asked them over a span of several days. they finally responded to me yesterday and referred me to the f.b.i. who i was told is handling this case. i reached out to the f.b.i. they told me they declined to comment. about 15 minutes ago i just got a call from a dhs official on

background telling me that my requests had just been relayed to him late last night and he has some new information for me which is that further vetting on their end revealed that this man is not a match on the terror watch list. that's the latest information i just got from this dhs official about 15 minutes ago. that is the latest i've got for you guys right now. as you mentioned, however, since the fiscal year started on october 1st there have been 38 terror watch list arrests at the southern border. as for this iranian man right now the latest information i just got from dhs is they have decided he is not a conclusive match on the watch list. >> harris: it took some time and those are the sort of efforts and resources we are expending to make sure it is happening. with all of that we had 17 in the month of december. a mighty job.

can you imagine how much more efficient if they didn't have the deal with 6 million coming over the border last year? thank you for the latest on that. tom homan fox news contributor and former acting director of immigration an customs enforcement. brandon judd, national border patrol president. tom, i start with you. with an alarming development earlier this week that said in the last three months the people coming across our northern border now with canada equaled what we had total in the last two years. we're sandwiched between what? >> exactly right. northern border there crossings are up over 700%. a lot of the northern border places. i'm from the northern border and talked to agents on the northern border. half have been detailed to the southwest border. the half remaining up there most of them are processing aliens virtually from the southwest border so there is very little

patrol on the northern border. 0 lake patrol or river patrol. the agents themselves tell me their patrol on the northern border is down about 90% because so many people are detailed to the southern border. those who remain on the northern border sit in the offices processing the surge on the southern border. the northern border is an extreme vulnerability. i understand the fire is at the southern border. you can't ignore the northern border. extreme vulnerability. those that go to canada have a lot of money and those are the ones that i would be concerned with could be known suspected terrorists because they have to have the finances to get to canada. the northern border is very vulnerable. >> harris: those are some important details. brandon, do we have enough people to get the job done? >> no, absolutely not. i was stationed on the northern border in two different

locations. with what we already had we didn't have enough. we had one agent per 50 miles to patrol. you can't do the job when you only have one agent per 50 miles. then when you take us out of the field to do processing, virtual processing, now you have nobody. it shouldn't be any surprise to anybody that we're seeing an influx in people crossing our northern border. cartels are very well equipped and understand what they need to do to create profit. they'll go to the northern and southwest border and coastal borders. they'll do what's necessary to generate that money and the northern border right now because it is so porous we're getting hit hard there. we have the southwest border, northern border and coastal border and none is secured. >> harris: we really want to watch this together the house judiciary committee. darrell issa talking with the sheriff of cochise county. let's watch. >> the vice president said just a few months ago the border is

secure, we have secured the border. would that also be inaccurate? >> yes, it would. >> now a lot of people talk about the trump era versus now. is it fair to say that it got better but was still a difficult time for you even then with some of what you were dealing with at the border? >> yes, after 48 years of working this border i saw the good, the bad, the ugly. it was better under president trump. this is the worst i've seen mainly because of the aggression by the cartels and the aggravated acts toward law enforcement in the community. >> i want you to take the remaining time and just tell us the difference between the trump era and now with the border wide open, what does it do for your ability to provide law enforcement for other purposes to your county? >> well, with the amount of arrests we had in 2022 our border population -- border

crimes arrested and booked in my jail creates 40 to 44% of the population in my jail. equate that back into the trump side of it for the troopers, local law enforcement and sheriff's office we spend a lot of time keeping our community safe diverted from the normal stuff we do into addressing border crimes. >> thank you, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> the gentleman from new york, mr. nadler. >> i thank the chairman for yielding. i want to express my sincere condolences. >> harris: we'll come back. brandon, you were telling us how we don't have enough people. the issue on the floor just then with congressman darrell issa at this hearing and the cochise county sheriff is about claims the president and vice president have both made that the border is secure. is that true? is the border secure? i know the answer. >> no, it's not. this is where i work right now. i'm assigned in cochise county

where the sheriff is. i can tell you that the number of apprehensions and the vehicle pursuits that we're seeing, the people that are dying because these criminals absolutely do not care about the life of anybody else. all they care about is generating the profit. that's what we see today and all policy driven. if we had the proper policies, operations and programs in place we could stop this tomorrow. this administration won't give us what's necessary. >> harris: tom, you have to wonder if the white house ever thought they would see this day come. we knew it was coming after november 8th. this is one of the first places republicans wanted to hit and you have been building up a bevy of information. what do you want to see covered in this hearing? >> i would like them to ask the questions continue questions on the fentanyl crisis just not illegal immigration because arizona is ground 0 for fentanyl. almost half -- just over half of the fentanyl seized by dea in this country is seized in arizona.

they are ground 0 for fentanyl. also ground 0 for the gotaways. more gotaways in arizona with texas and california combined. they need to focus on this administration's desire to open the border. i wrote an op-ed a year before the election saying if joe biden becomes president, we lose the border. don't need to be a rocket scientist. when you abolish everything that the trump administration put in place that gave us the most secure border in my lifetime of 45 year low in illegal immigration. it's down 83%. because joe biden came in office and abolished all that on purpose people need to understand it is not an immigration crisis anymore. a national security crisis because of the known and suspected crisis, a public safety and public health crisis. this administration did this intentionally and they need to be held accountable for it. >> harris: you mentioned fentanyl. minutes ago during the hearing that we are covering live and following every moment of.

we'll monitor all of it. this popped up. it was a very emotional moment from brandon dunn who lost his son, noah, to a fentanyl overdose late last year. let's watch together. >> noah died as a result of fentanyl poisoning. more specifically, illicit fentanyl poisoning. he was 15 years old. the pill he took contained eight milligrams of fentanyl, which is four times the lethal dose. illicit fentanyl is primarily manufactured in mexico by the drug cartels and smuggled through our southern border. >> harris: you can't ignore this now if you are in the white house and biden administration. it is front and center. brandon. >> what's really upsetting about this it all starts with illegal immigration. the cartels just need to flood our resources with border crossers and then they create

artificial gaps and where they get fentanyl across the border. harris, we can stop this. all these people. we don't have to have any more of our children die or have to have any more u.s. citizens die. we could stop it tomorrow. there isn't the political will to make it happen. it can happen and needs to happen. >> harris: you said the cartels are creating artificial gaps. how do we fight that, tom? >> look, you reimplement the trump policies that worked. we are the most powerful country in the world and we no longer have operational control of our southern border. the criminal cartels do. they determine who comes across, what comes across, when they cross, and where they cross. >> harris: and they're coming here, too. >> criminal cartels are operating in every major city in the country. so much violence in mexico, they make records amount of money.

alien smuggling. trafficking women and children for sexual purposes rick drug smellling. they are making more money and now fighting each other for control of the prize. you see the violence in mexico. that violence has crossed our border into the united states. the issue in california last week with six murders. that was the work of the cartels. what happened there was the cartels. what is sad, we don't know how many cartels murder happen in the united states. under the uniform crime record there is no box to check for cartel killings. so we don't know how many killings have occurred in the united states by the cartels. >> harris: it's fascinating. that jail break south of the border on the other side juarez by el paso you saw 17 guards and family members by the loss of those trying to protect them at the prison and cartel members got away in that. homeland security secretary mayokas is ducking questions and

you both have mentioned this. the gotaways. those are the people that we know got away but we couldn't go get them because we had all of our men and women doing all the things you were talking about, brandon. it has happened twice. >> when you look -- >> harris: let's watch together. >> so do you know where they are and who they are? >> for the first time since 2011, the president of the united states presented a budget successfully that increased the number of border patrol agents. >> do you know where they are and who they are? >> so gotaways have been a challenge from year to year. regardless of the administration. >> harris: that is a new level of dodge ball that i've seen. let's take a quick look at the stats. more than 300,000 known gotaways, those are the people that our camera censors got and we couldn't get them. that's nearly 2500 every single

day. brandon. >> and that's why he has to be impeached. he refuses to tell the american people the honest truth and refuses to tell them that the gotaways that happened under president trump was a fraction of what is currently happening. he refuses to say under his watch as the deputy secretary under obama it was a fraction of what we're seeing today. we have never seen anything like what we are dealing with today. when you look at what happened with texas dps, that iranian national wouldn't have been apprehended if it wasn't for governor abbott doing the job that president biden is supposed to do. that person would be in the united states today if it wasn't for governor abbott. that was supposed to be done by border patrol agents but that individual was able to evade border patrol agents and would be here today if it wasn't for other law enforcement agencies. >> harris: it is important you point that out. bill melugin was bringing the breaking news at the top of the hour he wasn't on the national terror list. doesn't mean he is not a bad

guy. if what you are saying he would have ill filitrateed the country anyway. i use that word specifically. if someone breaks into your house and you don't want them there because you fear, that's infiltration. we have to be fast here, tom, your last thought. >> 1.2 million gotaways. border patrol arresting people from 160 countries. some are sponsors of terrorism. they have oaf arrested over known suspected terrorist. if you don't think a single one of that 1.2 million didn't come from a country sponsoring -- this is a huge national security issue created by this administration opening up the border and giving control to the criminal cartels. >> harris: i know you will stay with us as we continue to follow the hearing this hour on biden's border crisis. we have two other big stories that we're working on as well. they will sit by. the new republican chair of house oversight is c our nation history. his hearing panel is demanding

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waste on federal cost spending and the emergency money that said they couldn't stop spending. in total congress approved nearly $5 trillion me spending from six covid relief laws beginning in march of 2020. that was the beginning. we got that. but then it kept coming. some estimates say that the total fraud could be in tens of billions of dollars. oversight chair james comer calls it the greatest theft of american money in history. >> this committee conducted almost no oversight of federal government agencies, programs or policies. the american people have suffered from the lack of oversight and accountability. we owe it to the american people to get to the bottom of the greatest theft of american taxpayer dollars in history. we must identify where this money went, how much ended up in the hands of fraudsters and what should be done to insure it never happens again.

>> harris: senior congressional correspondent chad pergram is more from capitol hill on this one. >> one witness at the house hearing claims as much as $5.4 billion in pandemic funds may have gone to fraudsters. republicans believe addressing waste is a way to tackle the debt ceiling. republicans want to crawl back some money. >> the issue there as we've heard over and over again at the time we needed to get the money out right away. there was an emergency. no dispute. there was an emergency. to get back to what the controller general said you need to be ready for that. >> the gop accuses democrats of not conducting proper oversight and passing an additional $2 trillion in covid aid on a partisan basis. democrats say they did proper oversight with seven hearings by the select committee on coronavirus. >> i'm troubled that some of our

colleagues seem to want the cherry pick facts and attack the underlying legitimacy of the programs themselves. the programs that were a lifeline and salvation for millions of businesses and families across the country. >> republicans are banging the drum on cutting waste, fraud and abuse to address the debt ceiling but budget experts say it is impossible to balance the books without touching entitlements. >> when you get these pie in the sky proposals makes it more difficult for serious proposals to be taken seriously because it is like a false sense of possibility that you think you can achieve something with, you know, a little cutting of waste, fraud and abuse and you can't. >> the fight over pandemic money comes amid two big events. president biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy meet today about the debt ceiling and the house voted along party lines to end the public health

emergency for covid immediately rather than wait until may. harris. >> harris: chad, very useful information for this next conversation. thank you. great reporting as always. kellyanne conway, former senior counselor to president trump. mark penn former clinton adviseor and seasoned pollster. good to see you both. i'll start with you. the president is going to sit down with kevin mccarthy today. he said there is no way he would negotiate with republicans over the debt limit. what happened? >> what happened is he knows that kevin mccarthy is the speaker of the house, republicans hold the gavel of all these committees and also the republicans are smart, harris. they'll reclaim the mantel as the party of fiscal responsibility and discipline. i think joe biden realize es if he gets saddled with a government shutdown his approval

ratings could be worse. they're in the mid 30s, low 40s in his best poll. what i'm really watching in his polling is his personal attributes. nbc news poll showed very poor marks on physical and mental energy to do the job, on honesty and trustworthiness, having a vision and plan. he is higher on like built. but who really cares when we have so many urgent issues. i think kevin mccarthy talking to biden about it shows a seriousness of purpose. if i hear one more person say we need to be unified by the demo democrats? why? they all vote against everything. they all vote for hakeem jeffries 15 times in a row. we have unity. it needs to be around fiscal

disability. the hearings today i'm glad the republicans are showing the public that they mean business and there is a new crew in town. >> harris: i want to come to you, mark, on this. let's watch this together. another bizarre moment for president biden when a reporter pressed him yesterday. it is getting to kellyanne's point in the poll about where people see his act men right now, his ability to keep up with things. this was yesterday. the question was about ending the nation's covid emergency. here is what he said. >> what's behind the decision to end the covid emergency? what is behind your decision to end the covid emergency? >> president biden: it will end -- may 15th to make sure we get everything done. >> harris: what happened there? mark, it appears the president got confused between title 42 and covid emergency ending that

and the student debt situation that he is trying to bring about. >> well, i don't know if he got confused but he is right that there are two different definitions of the ending of covid. one is about title 42 and immigration. and is covid over for immigration purposes? and then whether covid is over for the purposes of a multitude of programs that have been established around the emergency? so where in the poll that i conducted, the harris poll, most people do think joe biden is too old to be president and don't think he should run again and do have questions about his mental fitness. in this case, i do think we're stretching it a little bit. he is accurate, the supreme court has to rule on title 42. he is pushing for the end of covid to be in the middle of may. in fact he already said last september that he thought it was

over. so the democrats here are going to have to account for another six months of spending on covid even after their own president declared that it's over. there are a lot of issues swirling here. i do think the president does comes to this stuff and that's not one of the best examples when there are many others where he is not so alert. >> harris: the u.s. supreme court having to make that decision. kellyanne your reaction and we'll move on. >> walker from nbc news, a good reporter much smarter than joe biden was asking about covid. she didn't mention title 42 or the border. he totally conflated two major issues that he failed on. by the way, covid has not appeared in anybody's polling beyond 1 or 2% for quite a while. the number of americans who say it is a top issue is to say kamala harris is their choice in 2024. 1 or 2%, super low.

the all covid all the time crowd knows that with that money comes power and for joe biden to go on 60 minutes quite awhile ago and say the pandemic is over. got a lot of liberal backlash and it can im peril the student loan forgiveness program as well. in september as mark points out he said the pandemic is over. how in the world are we expanding that power? there are also a lots of power-hungry drunk on power democrat governors who still have that public health emergency and executive powers in place. so we're not even talking about what's going on in some of the states. the other thing that's important here is yesterday the house with a few democrats helping them the republicans in the house passed the sort of pandemic is over act and basically it is to make sure that people in the federal government over 2 million employees are not compelled to the vaccinated. a very expensive program and it's also really inhibited people's freedom. >> harris: i want to get to this

quickly. thank you for that. you guys got to go back and forth. this is happening right now. we've been watching this for a couple of hours. f.b.i. agents are searching the president's beach home in rehoboth, delaware for the classified document discoveries at multiple locations. i want to point out this is the home he went to a couple of weeks ago when they were searching for a second time the other house in wilmington. they had done it once and went back for more. this is where he went. the president's personal attorney says quote, the search today is a further step in a thorough and timely d.o.j. process. we'll continue to fully support and facilitate it. sources telling fox news f.b.i. agents searched the penn biden center offices in mid-november after biden's personal attorneys discovered classified documents, some of which were top secret you will recall. that was on november 2nd.

it is all raising new and major questions about transparency with this white house. mark, i will come to you quickly on this. this is a drip, drip of epic proportions now. when you are explaining, you aren't winning. >> exactly right. when we were in the white house, if we had a bad story, we could get it out, we would get it all out on a friday afternoon and get the details together and make sure the media knew what was what. this white house in this instance has really done a miserable job of that. it as the taken a toll in public opinion and the ratings of white house. 77% of the people have heard about this. 64% think it's a serious matter. the more they delay in what were the documents and why were they there? more questions arise that maybe they are connected to hunter biden and that would be fatal if that really is the case. so the white house should get it out. they have failed miserably so far. >> harris: just to hear you say

that. you offer more transparency around this, mark, than the entire administration that you are a part of the party of. i love how you were so honest about that because we in the news call it the friday night news dump. you legitimately were doing that. you would wait until friday and then pop out all the bad news. that's why i like you. you are clear on that. all right. a recent harvard/harris poll. mark this is taking yours further with other numbers. they find 79% of people believe that joe biden and his team should have disclosed those classified document discoveries long before the mid-term elections. they had six days to get the word out. november 2nd, election was the 8th. 50% say his case is being treated more leniently than that of former president trump. reverse order now. come to you first on this, mark. >> absolutely. that's why this is a serious

matter. people do think the justice department is -- what's the point of the justice department searching the properties now? the lawyers have already gone through it with fine tooth comb and found classified document and we don't know what else they removed. anything they removed would be covered by attorney/client privilege. the public wants accountability. the white house needs to give us what are those document and why were they there? the american public won't rest until they get that? >> harris: if the president and his team can't clear it up in short order should he announce he is running again after the state of the union, mark? >> well look, i don't think it will stop him from running or not. i do think it is a drag or a drain. look, we also used to use the strategy i'm not here to talk about documents, i'm here to talk about helping the american people. i did that for two years in 1998. it just won't work here until

they come clean about why these documents were there. >> harris: a quick from you kellyanne and we'll go. >> joe biden in the polling and in his own party increasing number of democrats are disturbed by the classified document scandal that is emerging. and you see that in all -- i don't know we have to compar le investigate the bidens and look at and examine it the way trump was from august to now, six months of that with the document. >> harris: great to see you both on this scandal -- we will go back live. we see congressman andy biggs of arizona talking with the cochise county sheriff daniels there about biden's border crisis. this is that hot hearing. let's dip in for some live here. >> when we look at this, are your deputies ever dispatched to

deal with criminality or situations involving illegal aliens? >> on a daily basis, yes. >> how often, how many times per day? >> throughout the day using my -- they are in some kind of issue with border security or immigration and when i go home i hear calls. throughout the whole day. >> what sorts of dangers does your department and deputies encounter because of these interactions? >> well, the biggest thing we're addressing right now is the out of 1,570 people that came to my county, 1500 were u.s. citizens coming down to commit international crime. based on greed, they are getting paid $3 thousand per person to drive three hours north to phoenix, arizona and your neck of the woods, congressman. it is a game of greed. when they pick them up along the

highways, they take off at 100 some miles-per-hour is resulting in death. put my citizens in risk. we see it almost every day in my county and that's been deadly for us. >> bill: if i understand what you are saying, cartels are recruiting american citizens from as far away as the phoenix area to come on down and transport people who have illegally entered the country up to phoenix or further distribution throughout the country. >> that's correct. take it one step further. throughout the united states. we get them from the midwest and all over. we have a map where we get them from in the office. >> what was the going rate they get paid per person? >> we started an operation in march called save streets. trying to do some interdiction to protect our citizens. it was like 1,000 to 1500. right now 3,000 per person. >> have you ever had juveniles

to come down as well. >> yes, we apprehended and charged 100 juveniles remanded as adults for driving all the way up to under age where they don't have a license. we had a 14 and 15-year-old driving a car picking up five undocumented. >> human smuggling. >> human smuggling. >> you have given us some pictures up here on display. what are those pictures of? >> the picture ton right side of the white truck and red car. the red car had a 16-year-old, 17-year-old and 14-year-old they were down to pick up migrants working with the criminal cartels and scout. the car saw and took off at a high rate of speed and crashed. all three in critical condition and were ejected from the vehicle. >> this other one? >> the other one was a vehicle out of phoenix, stolen vehicle that was in one of our business

areas in a business parking lot. they took off at a high rate of speed and got into a pursuit. rammed the border patrol agent unmarked car and were apprehended with illegals. >> so much more to talk about. i'm sorry i'm out of time. thank you for being here, sheriff. >> gentleman from california, mr. schiff. >> thank you, mr. chairman and thank you to ranking member nadler for welcoming me back to the committee. mr. dunn, thank you for your testimony today and i want to join my colleagues to express my condolence over your terrible lost. since i last held a seat on this committee over ten years ago our country has undergone some of its most turbulent years from attacks on democracy to increasing gun violence including four mass shootings in california in just the last week to continuing acts of racial injustice, many of the issues that americans are most concerned about fall within this

committee's jurisdiction. instead of tackling those concerns or joining democrats in the comprehensive immigration reform, many republicans in congress seem intent on demonizing migrant families and asylum seekers portraying them as fentanyl traffickers and violent criminals. in the real world asylum seekers are vulnerable individuals and families fleeing political persecution and torture. these terrible steer owe types that my republican colleagues are peddling have real world consequences and bring real world harm as they increase the level of hate and violence directed at immigrants here at home. more than that let me take this opportunity to recognize the many immigrants who risk their lives during the pandemic to take care of us when we were sick in the hospital with covid. who brought food to our grocery stores. >> harris: adam schiff made the accusation against republicans that they are making it up.

it is just all stereotypes. tom homan former ice director and brandon judd along for the hour on this. brandon, are republicans lying or are they stereo typing? what's going on? >> they are very few things that make me upset. more upset than hearing what adam schiff said. it is lies, fabrication and deflection. he says these people are fleeing political persecution. theles not true. the vast majority of these people don't have a legitimate claim. they get released and don't show up to court. they disappear in the shadows of society. if they literally had a true claim they would show up to all of their court appearances and go through the entire process. the vast majority don't. schiff is simply deflecting because he knows that that's what the base wants the hear. he is playing politics with

united states citizens lives and that's disgusting. >> harris: tom i was down on the border before the end of the fiscal year, the end of september when the numbers were about to be in the historic categories that they are now people coming illegally. one of the things we saw cartels were putting camo an people to sneak into the country at night. some of them were very young. we had to watch them go through these very carefully because some people had weapons anthem. i didn't imagine any of that. i certainly don't need to be trafficking in steer owe typing. i'm not a lawmaker. why go there at a capitol hill hearing? what's going on? >> let me just continue what brandon was saying. adam schiff just lied to the american people. you can call them asylum seekers, the numbers are clear. 93% of them never get relief from u.s. courts. they either don't qualify or show up. as brandon said over half don't

show up. what they are doing creating the crisis. there are people in the world that need asylum in the united states that escaping fear and persecution from their home government but now in the back seat because these people are committing asylum fraud. when you enter the country illegally it is a crime. when you lie under oath during asylum hearing it is a felony. when you ignore a judge's order and not get removed and hide -- go into hiding you become a fugitive. people need to understand the secretary's homeland security report says this. if you are in detention you are removed 99% of the time. the reason this administration is not detaining these folks is because the same report says if you are not in detention and you get order to removed you leave 6% of the time. adam schiff, if he wants to be factual to the american people the vast majority is asylum fraud and gets order to removed but not removed because secretary mayokas won't allow ice to arrest them. he said under oath if they don't

qualify for asylum they will be immediately removed. i can tell you this. ask ice how many people lost their case, 93%. how many have they removed? close to 0. that's the fact adam schiff should be telling the american people. >> harris: fact checking realtime from the former acting ice director. the point i was making as well. i heard it against the media. i haven't heard lawmakers accuse other lawmakers of oh, you guys are just -- this is -- we have the video. you just heard tom homan with the facts of that and you have the facts. how is this -- let's go ahead and show it. my team is asking can we show nighttime video? the cartels are preparing these people almost for war. you are sneaking in in camo. we know people have gotten harmed. some of them have been carrying weapons. what is your thought on all of this, brandon? >> adam schiff wants to say that

individual right there that's wearing camouflage is an asylum seeker? it's crazy. that's all they have. all they have is rhetoric. they do not have facts. facts matter. facts is what the american people need to hear about. if they heard the facts they would be extremely upset. but because he is able to deflect. because he is able to use political rhetoric then the american people don't understand what's going on unless they watch your show. that's what has to change. then you go back and look right there. that's texas d prick s, not border patrol. texas dps is pulling resources out of what they are supposed to be doing to be doing our job. cochise county is pulling resources to do our job. we should be doing that job, not other law enforcement agencies. that also destabilizes and makes less safe all of the people in the counties, cochise county and the state of texas. it is crazy what is going on. to listen to adam schiff it becomes even crazier.

>> harris: tom, a quick word from you about what needs to happen next. the hearing is excellent because now we get to see republicans holding people accountable as best they can. but really where are we in this fight? >> then you have oversight hearings and need to call secretary mayokas and political appointees. the bottom line. under the biden administration because they opened up the border the most vulnerable people in the world put themselves in the hands of cartels. hundreds of thousands americans die from fentanyl. we have a record in sex trafficking with women and children across the border. >> harris: i will step in there and go back to the hearing. that dad who lost his son is being questioned right now. let's watch. >> active now in a number of organizations trying to get out and understand the lost voices of fentanyl. is that right?

you work with ms. virginia krueger who has lost her daughter due to percocet laced with fentanyl. the people -- i've done this before. the lost faces of fentanyl. no one wants these lost voices due to fentanyl now. >> i am not sure if he is included in the that picture. >> these pictures are the faces of americans who are no longer with us due to fentanyl flowing throughout our communities. these are young individuals who are not here today. noah is not here today. do you care precisely whether or not fentanyl is coming through the ports of entry or between ports of entry or was your family directly impacted because fentanyl is flooding into our communities one way or the other? >> however it gets here is -- it's here. >> in your experience talking to other family members and talking

to law enforcement personnel is it your observation and belief the overwhelming flood at our borders is distracting border patrol from carrying out their duty to stop the flow between the ports of entry or do inspections at the ports of entry is resulting the more fentanyl pouring into our communities that is then resulting in the death of americans and in fact the death of migrants in the process? >> yes. most of the fathers that i speak with that are not as vocal as the mothers, the common thing they've expressed to me is to come up here and let people know that it is a border issue. it is not an immigration issue. it is flooding across the borders because there is a problem at the borders. >> in your communication with families who have lost loved ones due to fentanyl poisonings, do you believe that it is an

imperative that this country's federal government, who has a constitutional obligation to secure the border of the united states, do so in order to insure that we stop the flow of fentanyl and dangerous and illicit narcotics into the united states resulting in the death of americans? >> yes. >> do you believe if this country adopted policies to restrict and stop the flow of fentanyl and if that includes insuring that we have no longer a flood of human beings at our border while still maintaining asylum laws and protecting people being persecuted under actual threat of -- do you -- if that were adopted would help save lives like noah's. >> i do and most others that i talk with feel the same way.

>> thank you, mr. dunn and thank you. i yield back. >> time is expired. the gentlemen. >> thank you to our witnesses and thank you, mr. dunn, for being here. i join my colleagues in expressing. >> harris: we bring back tom hoe man and brandon judd, national border council president. when you see chip roy of texas hold up picture after picture, so many young faces, brandon, you talked about the humanity coming across our border but the artificial, the fake entry points that creates for the cartels to bring in drugs. when you are dealing with one you can't be everywhere, they hit us someplace else. >> it is heartbreaking to see those -- the pictures of those people that lost lives when they could be alive today if we would do what's necessary. when you look at the way the cartels operate and the way they use our policies against us. they use our operations against

us and if they didn't have those operations and policies, those individuals would be alive today. we have to look at this and we have to say we have to reject adam schiff when he is saying all of these people are coming here for asylum. we will welcome in. border patrol agents if people are fleeing for persecution we would be the first to open our arms. we're the most generous country in the world and should be the most generous country in the world. we want to save lives and secure life but this is not. that's not what is happening on the border today. what's happening on the border today is complete and total chaos and killing u.s. citizens and it must stop. >> harris: it is also end endangering the lives of people coming for legitimate reasons. they come to the back of the law behind the people breaking the law to get in. the original law that they break entering our country illegally, no one talks about that. that matters, too. we have a minute left. tom. >> secure borders save lives. people want to attack the trump

administration as being inhumane. secretary goes out there saying we'll create a more humane policy. wrong. when president trump had immigration down 83%, 83% less people were making the journey, how many women weren't being sexually salted by the cartels and children didn't drown in the river and u.s. citizens didn't die from fentanyl. the only humanity on that border are people like brandon judd, the 20,000 men and women that wear the uniform that save thousands of lives that bring toys from their children to the facilities so alien children can have toys to play with. men and women of the border patrol are patriots. this administration vilified them. the president and secretary mayokas has abandoned them. the only humanity on the border are the 20,000 men and women who

put their lives on the line for this country every day. >> harris: this is some of the video we captured live on the border no eagle pass, texas, the del rio sector where people were running from border parole to find a place to hide. they don't want to play fair. they run from our guys. good to see you both. thank you for being here to help me cover the live hearing. "outnumbered" is next. on your credit cards lately? get ready for a shock. the rate on credit cards is now over 22%. if you want to save hundreds of dollars every month, pay off the balances on your high-rate cards with a lower rate va home loan from newday usa and get the financial peace of mind every veteran deserves. no one takes care of veterans like newday usa. there's nothing like volunteering at the fire department. there's nothing like hitting the waves.

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