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the president's son has admitted that the infamous laptops with emails, incriminating documents, it's actually has. "the new york post" with this cover, the headline "it's mine." hunters new lawyers say that the laptop belongs to the president's son, but the media claimed it was russian disinformation for years. speak of the u.s. authorities are seeing if those emails are connected to an ongoing russian disinformation effort. >> it's so obviously a russian operation. >> hunter biden, this laptop that intelligence officials have warned is likely russian disinformation. >> ongoing russian disinformation effort. >> all of a sudden, two and a half weeks before the election, this laptop appears. >> harris: we know this name from watergate, the journalist

bob woodward is condemning the media coverage from the trump/russia investigation altogether, criticizing democrats on the liberal media for his own warnings about the steele dossier shortcomings, saying -- saying it was not handled well and that viewers had been cheated. he urged viewers to walk down "the painful road of introspection." >> is there anything in the dossier that's been disproven? >> the short answer to the question is no. >> has anything been soundly disproven? i would agree with jim clapper, i have not seen anything. >> the dossier is far from bogus. >> the fact that none of it, not one word has been disproven. a lot of it turned out to be on the money. >> harris: tammy bruce, that was the evidence that bob

woodward was pointing to as the need for introspection. >> tammy: that's not going to happen. what we know from the media is that they have been stenographers for the democratic party for a couple of generations at least. i think it could be a combination of confirmation bias, seeing what you want to see, it suits what you want to accomplish, or of course a willingness to move along a democratic narrative because that's what you think is best. clearly, even woodward, seems like he is expecting them to behave as though they meant well, and they genuinely just got it wrong, whereas they just had a circle -- they would talk to someone from the administration and say just what they needed to hear. we saw this on twitter with a variety of issues, a confirmation circle for people. i think this is what, for the american people, the troubling issue on whatever issue is that the media has thrown its lot in with one side. they are not the fifth estate

that asks questions of power. if they don't do that now. that's a problem for the democracy. >> harris: not all of us. [laughter] >> tammy: you talk about a problem for democracy, that's a problem for this nation. we should be able to rely on media. americans want information, and that's what has been enrolled by this columbia journalism report and certainly -- >> harris: this is not the inner circle people are looking for, where the media, and administration, twitter, and the offending parties are all in a circle together. >> washington has become so polarized. we will back it up with whatever "facts we can find." i love the conversation of just "follow the signs." science is about taking an idea and proving or disproving it. the media here said "we agree because we don't like the guy in the white house, don't like trump." i saw this through the

impeachment. the truth did not matter. it is amazing to me that woodward is now getting -- where was his conscience? >> harris: does he have a new book out? [laughter] >> tammy: might -- >> cong. collins: might be a new book to her. >> dude, where's my conscience? >> cong. collins: next to my checkbook. he is saying "i was warning about this." he's a public person. >> harris: he's a big boy. >> cong. collins: this idea that he's behind the scenes -- no, i think it's a saving face moment for whatever he wants to do later. >> harris: emily, what was interesting to me as a point of fact -- from doug, it came from joe concha last hour on the falconer focus woodward involved in investigating that -- after that, the public interested journalists, 76% of the public trust of journalists. he said that has been turned on its head. he would think that even out of

self preservation, bob woodward might've used a megaphone, if he thought it were really necessary. >> emily: on that larger scale of media coverage, laws exist that protect whistle-blowers. laws exist that prevents against false testimony to a government agent, a government agency alike. those exist because we are supposed to find important in that, uphold the one lone voice that was actually telling the truth the whole time. you are a member former secretary of state john kerry when he falsely and flat-out said "i have no idea whatsoever that hunter biden is sitting on this board." we know that to be false, we know that there were plenty of elected officials who in their official and formal capacity deny knowledge of this. to see "the new york post," good faith journalists that were silenced, the result of a piling on -- >> harris: canceled. >> emily: -- a piling on mainstream media that censored

members of the journalistic community, including here at fox news. to see that happen when we know that there is afforded this really sacred protection for all those things, it is disheartening. i wonder now as we learn more and more, as these investigations play out, what accountability will be held, if at all, what process will exist for the truth? all i see right now is that machine, and it was rules for thee and not for me for all the players involved. >> harris: kennedy, a place this could be applied contemporaneously is with declassified documents in this particular president, making it look equal across the board for how the search for them is equal. >> kennedy: the search certainly was urgent when there was a predawn fbi raid of mar-a-lago. we are old enough to remember last year. [laughter] >> harris: i'm really old. [laughter] >> emily: searching for classified documents, and to

preserve that. >> harris: that's why the guns were drawn. >> emily: absolutely right. meanwhile, the almost president then new that he had classified documents. he knew he was guilty of the same thing. i want to make a click clarification. he did an interview with fox news in 2017 saying that he thought the contents of the dossier were garbage. and i want the press, to emily's points, to go back to journalism school and sprout some skepticism. they are acting like petulant 6-year-olds that want something to be true, such disdain for trump. they wanted that narrative to be true. instead, of skeptically critically looking at it and finding out what was true, what was false, they just assumed. >> harris: you know that bob woodward knows he has a megaphone, so 2017 -- and you are right to point out that fact -- was

is it person for us was addressed through the walls of "the washington post," or -- we don't know. >> kennedy: he might've said that and they said "we need this to be true, so we are going to ignore you, going to silence you," because that's what the app or other scum of the media apparatus, being controlled by the democratic party along with the federal government, that's what they're doing, working in concert o with one another to silence people with those in couinconvenient truths. >> harris: to think -- >> cong. collins: kennedy said something about the press, and i agree with you. when i was in washington during this time, when i was asked questions -- in the judicial community we were doing this -- i was asked about these things, and if i said something that disagreed with them, i was -- with contempt. it wasn't "here's two sides of the story." it's "you are wrong, why are you lying?" >> emily: and a mistake, i have to say again, that

narrative, the false narrative perpetuated by the media on the left -- what's at stake is national security. our questions, the conflict of interest questions go back to classified documents, national security, the protection of american sovereign security interests. it's not the g.o.p.'s obsession with hunter biden. it's not a lot of other trite and polarizing and politicized narratives that you just gave an example about. bringing it back to what is important, national security is paramount and has been lost. >> harris: every journalist -- because not everybody is like every else. if we can't get it straight that that is the priority and not twitter clips, we are in trouble. coming up, no questions about the biden classified -- new questions about the biden classified documents investigation. why did the fbi wait three months to search the president's investigation homes? and, how was he allowed back in one of those homes before they

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>> emily: we are awaiting the white house press briefing, set to begin moments from now. we are hoping to get some answers, some transparency from the administration about the president's classified document scandal, and the federal investigation is now coming under scrutiny. yesterday, fbi agents spent three and a half hours at biden's home, but did not find additional documents marked as classified. they did take some materials, handwritten notes from his time as vice president, which could contain classified information. that came more than three months after classified documents were first found in president biden's former d.c. office, and the doj allowed the president to return to his beach home.

he was there just a few weeks ago. that's raising a lot of questions about the doj's handling of the investigation. congressman, gradu congratulatin receiving the rank of colonel. >> cong. collins: just found out. [laughter] >> emily: in your triple hat, which is attorney, former congressman, and colonel in the u.s. air force, your thoughts, pick one or all three, your thoughts on the investigation and what it means for the american people's security and faith in -- >> cong. collins: the biggest problem i'm having is that the investigation itself is one thing. it's the perception. we talked about this, what people are hearing and what they are not hearing. realization is dealing with classified documents, i don't care who you are, it's a sensitive issue and should be taken seriously. when you have different standards of how you will enforce it, people just believe that the doj is being run by a partisan, political motive.

the concern, who is running this investigation? because we are hearing that the biden attorneys are there, the doj seems to be following the white house, but my question is, if people don't trust what the doj is doing, how will they trust them and other things russian mark this question has never been answered. why did attorneys start looking at these documents to start with the november? i still wonder about that. again, the doj hasn't touched it, the white house hasn't touched it. when you have no transparency, congress will ask, but they are hiding behind the special prosecutor to say "we can't answer anything." this is where people are just throwing up their hands. >> cong.>> emily: it's a questin about the power, the authority. we know where the authority lies, but when you talk about the power differential, that is imperative. an investigation i've ever witnessed has been made quite clear from minute one who is in charge, and it's the doj, not the defendant, not the person of

interest -- unless you are president biden. >> harris: i can't remember, and correct me if i'm wrong, i can't remember if there were documents at the house or -- trump. they wanted him to secure, extra lock situation, a location where they knew there were classified documents. emily, you've heard me refer to the biden surge as a snow globe of paperwork keeping. they go in there for 13 hours, and what does it look like? should go back to a second time to the residents "bill, catch the paper flying in the air." the president retreats to his beach house on the weekend they are looking a second time in wilmington. we know he gets a head up, because his attorneys are saying "we did it willingly," and so on forth. we saw it all, had cars parked outside. you did not raid it, you walked in, so difference. you go into rehobeth, and "we

didn't see any classified documents." that's the fourth or fifth search that's gone through all the way back. it seems like the difference can only be based on power. what else could it be? money. let's hope it's not that. let's hope people aren't being paid to be quiet, but i don't put anything beyond them. >> emily: kennedy, part of that question about that follow-up, from what we understand, it's because apparently, the president's personal or professional attorneys did not do that. there were questions about the clearances they had for this top-secret material in the first place. essentially, it was the doj coming in as a cleanup effort, and if so, why were our tax dollars wasted twice, and why again with that differentiation between the president and anyone else -- for the investigation? were they given that latitude in the first place? "take a gander, let it sit at the crime scene." i say this and just. "we will circle back in the 68

days. >> harris: well, may be unjust. we don't know. [laughter] >> kennedy: we have no idea if they did a thorough job the first time. i still have a lot of questions about the president having no recollection of those papers being in his home. they had kittens about the security situation of the classified documents at mar-a-lago. that's fine, but let's apply it everywhere. a locked garage where a car is going in and out and the press can get a very clear view of what is stacked inside the garage, that doesn't seem very secure to me. but yes, obviously the president of the united states can fire all of these people who served at the pleasure of the president, so he doesn't doesn't like what they are doing, if they are being too nosy, then they are worrying for their jobs, and now you see why hillary clinton had her own server: so she could get rid of information whenever she wanted to. [laughter] she did not have to wait for agents to sift through it, because of blackberries, smashed

as the drinks i make on fourth of july. [laughter] >> emily: she literally has bleach on her hands. one of the american people supposed to receive in that chain of events that -- the left constantly brings up president trump. let's go back further. all of the american people are understanding that there is a double standard when it applies to which presidential candidates, let's just say, or which elected officials are caught with classified documents inadvertently, or their actions afterwards and how the doj proceeds. it's an interesting question when you add in the transparency by the white house to "we were for you to the special counsel or the office of our attorneys." >> tammy: joe biden give it all away when he said "there is no there there." that probably came from a conversation about with a narrative would be. everything you see they are now "this is normal." the problem with trump's

involvement is less of what he did than what he represented, which is a deviation. all of this was so much business as usual that hillary was comfortable setting up a separate server, comfortable with that nothing would happen, expecting this to be okay, because all of the rest of this, it seems like all of these regulations and rules about security and all of that is just bad theater. what they've been doing -- who knows, for 50-75 years -- doing something completely different behind the scenes, trump and their rage against him because he's not part of that, revealed all of this back and forth, all of the hypocrisy, the lies. that's why he is so dangerous. i think we will see that going on and continuing. >> emily: coming up, liberals are attacking governor desantis after the college board decided to revise

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released a revised framework. the new curriculum does not require teaching on topics, including black lives matter or the case for reparations, the topics that were pro opposed by ron desantis, reconstruction, slavery, the civil rights movement remain largely unchanged though. liberals were quick to attack him. >> he's been very clear, has what appears to be white nationalist agenda. >> he is sacrificing the education of a whole generation of people for his ambition. >> it's never been about this course. the governor was clear, african american studies does not have educational value. >> it's going on in florida now is mainly a peak into a horrifying future. he is tampering with college education as colleges specifically starting with one in florida, that's ron desantis. that's the republican future, more fear. >> kennedy: harris, they are acting as though he's gotten rid

of -- entirely. >> harris: that's not true. >> kennedy: is this unsurprising, the reaction? >> harris: no, because no one reads the bills, listens to what the governor is saying. [laughter] there was also the don't say gay bill, but people repeated that over and over. i have a question about whether or not people are willing to let -- that you debate some things. i understand these are ap classes, so could qualify, maybe get a couple credits towards college, but that is still not what we are talking about. these are people under the age of 18. can we let some of the sea 31, gender, all this be talked about at a college level, where people are in a space where they are having healthy debates? can it be an extra curriculum outside of the public school system type of thing? when i talk about my household, i make the difference with my teenage daughters.

between blm, the organization, and had some investigations and allegations. some money issues going on th there. black lives matter's, the moms and dads -- pushing strollers after the death of george floyd, that we are not organized because that organization apparently was not interested in leading them in the streets. we talk about that. do i necessarily think that that is going to happen at a public or private school setting? no. if you want to teach your children -- it can always start at home. they have not canceled african american studies. that's just not true. >> kennedy: but that is the narrative they will push. the one thing that the governor said, which i think is really important, is the change between indoctrination versus education. have we gotten so imbalanced in education and the politicization of the way we educate students in this country that we have given over to indoctrination without questioning it?

>> at first thought, that was the case. what strikes me with this is that it was one complaint from one governor that worked and changed this dynamic, so it shows you -- when i was on the left, we would laugh at how the conservatives would say nothing about what we were doing, that they did not seem to have the wherewithal, or security, or were afraid of being called names. as a result, it was a house of cards in a lot of ways. the left would get lazy. there was a point where i would notes -- should we be prepared for these questions? like no, they will say nothing, and that has been the case for quite some time. i'm surprised they change this, but remember for america, there was -- there's a difference between politics and history. that's what we are still not teaching in school, real history. this is what we should have with the history of black americans. it is obviously significant and important, but history in general. >> harris: american history.

>> tammy: american history. >> kennedy: of course it is incredibly subjective, but -- a college board has made changes, and it's governor newsom from california who wants to insert himself into this story. he took issue with the head of the college board. david pullman, the head of the college board, says -- this is a tweet according to gavin newsom -- "we cannot look to status of political leaders." newsom says "i call bs, you are a puppet of ron desantis." >> and that is how he talks. [laughter] >> kennedy: i could swallow gravel and glass for breakfast. no surprise that newsom is here, but -- >> emily: that would be frightening. yet again, he is inserting himself into what's happening in florida. yet again, he is inserting himself into the national conversation when he frankly has no place in that conversation given the destructive and

diluted place that the students are in under his watch in california. what disturbs me the most is that a conversation about education, the reactions and talking points from the left -- there is no thoughtful discourse, no engagement with what ron desantis posture vs comments and objectives were. there is no objection that american history hasn't been canceled, as you say, or extinct wished as they are arguing. there is no addressing the point that in florida, governor desantis is trying to ensure that the students are educated in a realm of free thinking, becoming fully formed independent humans rather than indoctrinating puppets, to borrow a phrase from governor newsom, under the watch of those whose main agenda is to make sure everyone is in lockstep with the others. it's unfortunate to me, not surprising, and bravo for anyone daring to think for themselves in that state. >> harris: congressman, we aren't ignoring you. breaking news from the house

foreign affairs committee. republicans have just booted, voted to kick out representative ilhan omar from the house foreign affairs committee. 218 votes to 211, removing her. >> cong. collins: i've known this was coming for two years. the minute the democrats did this -- and it's interesting. they said there was a difference in how they on the democrats did this, there was not. last year the democrats -- they were holding her accountable as a member of congress. when you come into this congress, adam schiff and eric swalwell have plenty of reasons not to be let on to the intelligence committee, especially adam schiff who was leaking everything. with omar as well, this is stuff she did while she was a member of the body. >> harris: in committee meetings according to this representative. >> cong. collins: very much so. again, this is what you get when you get into the point and

stashed many of us said this last year, democrats want to go down this line this is going to happen. i related back to playing blitz ball when i was younger. if a pitcher hits a batter, get ready. you don't want to be next in the next inning because someone will get hit. this is where we have divulged to. >> harris: tammy, is this good for the system? >> tammy: absolutely. part of what happens in congres signals to the american people what is acceptable, and stashed represents the country. her rhetoric and attitude towards the jewish people in particular has been obscene and unacceptable, something we have seen evolve in the country by a very few vocal field with a jew hatred and tax on jews. this is a statement, what americans are looking for. she is still in congress, was voted in, going to have an influence, but it's interesting on how that particular -- was

for her, and that kind of control to look seriously at why this was so important. now that the body has spoken, it certainly reflects what we stand for as a nation. >> harris: what does it look like when each party is going to kick out people -- and jason chaffetz, the former -- said "intel is different." that's a national security situation we have adam schiff leaking. plenty of people now knew that he was. when you are looking at this, should there be concern that when democrats are back in the majority, like -- they start of the party and it keeps going? >> kennedy: it's a seesaw and can get distracting. i don't think it's going to end. i think there will be retribution when democrats take back the majority again, and they just have to be very careful that they are not taking there i off the people's business, which is economic

health. people are still very worried about inflation and a potential looming recession. if you are just playing one-upsmanship the entire time, you aren't serving your constituents. >> tammy: if you are explained in light, making it clear why, as opposed to graham and what she was doing before the congress -- versus this kind of rhetoric -- >> harris: in committee. >> tammy: -- and the body has to decide, and make those argument that won't be tit-for-tat. >> cong. collins: it goes back to something, the democrats have a problem. this was the rhetoric coming from omar and many others. we had a vote on the floor. they watered it down, it took hours, and then, if you talk bad about everything --" i was on the floor having to debate this, you cannot -- anti-semitism is wrong. >> kennedy: they know what tropes are and --

>> harris: ilhan omar, interview on msnbc. hers was the victimization of a conspiracy "out to get me," and she didn't understand, but at the same time, so he she's been waiting on this issue of anti-semitism in a different interview for years. "if you don't know what it is, how are you possibly leading it?" >> emily: her statements and positions she has taken in committee are unacceptable, antithetical to our constitution, the embracing of diversity, and our allies in this country. the fact that she has not only been apologized for, propped up, and encouraged by members of the body, as well as those in her constituency, what the g.o.p. needs to do was underscore over and over again exactly why she was removed, to combat her inevitable eat knee-jerk. it's because of your statements and positions, unacceptable. >> harris: and jason chaffetz

said "we have an opportunity to take care of this on our own." the new backlash whirling against one of the most popular video game series in world right now, "the sims 4,," the ultimate life simulation game, a rating of 12 plus and is marketed to teenagers. the game allows players to give their avatars double vasectomy scars and chest binders. some may feel that these images aren't appropriate for even those audiences, teenagers. take a look. here are the images leaving parents and critics outraged, many claiming that the game is promoting transgender surgeries to impressionable minors. this goes back to that previous conversation, and what ages, what is appropriate at certain times of development in terms of the mind. i mentioned this issue along with the ap studies of florida and all of that. there is a place and time for all of this. what is your take as a mom of a

teenager? >> kennedy: it's interesting. when i read this story, my girls were gamers for a while but aren't now, and a lot of kids are, have a lot of time especially during the pandemic, and that's all they did. they weren't going to zoom in a room. i don't believe this is news to where the government has to -- i don't believe this is an issue where the government has to come in and enforce strict codes. i think this is a company that should be shamed into not marketing for kids, and parents, that's where the money comes from. keep your eyeballs on what your children are consuming, ask them the rules of the game, steal their controllers and login in the middle of the night while they are sleeping and find out what they are doing. i think think parents -- [laughter] >> harris: i love the way you parents, get in there, helicopter. [laughter] i'm right there with you. we've given them devices that have the ability to change their minds and lives. why wouldn't we engage? >> cong. collins: are >> tammy: de surgeongeneral fore administration has gone on the

record appreciating a limit for social media for kids 13 and under. they are also so young to be on social media, but not to consent to, let's say, transgender surgery. this tells children -- it's not even about transgenderrism and what they might or might not understand. this is about surgeries that are irreversible. it's about sterilization of children. it's treating your body as though it was hera. your hair will grow back. this is the problem that all parents, you have to have parental involvement. even with the administration saying people under 13 years old, those minors are too young to be on social media, but then move to have it be so those minors, as the nation is moving, should be able to consent without parents, to have the surgery that's irreversible on an issue that is conceptual, that their brains aren't even ready for.

it's an adult issue, and to move it into a game like this for minors is unacceptable, and parents should certainly be involved, and should certainly speak up and push back. >> harris: emily, you and i have talked about self-esteem for young women and young men of certain ages. not understanding this topic, all of it together, whether it be filtering, making ourselves look a certain way, cutting our bodies, whatever we do. all that falls in that same gout, that same awful place for young people, when it is not mitigated by our voices, people who love them. >> emily: truth is stranger than fiction. i see this game as mirroring the toxic current environment in our society right now. that's all they are doing. even if that did not exist, those kids could go to social media, go to billboards, could go anywhere and see that same ephemeral note being struck

on these things that are irreversible, these very damaging and permanent concepts that they aren't enough, or that choices are easily remedied. i grew up in a household where the model was a double vasectomy. i saw it every day is beautiful, brave, a sign of strength, a sign of victory, and it was not elective. for me, it's disturbing that there are things being presented because someone is not enough, not because that was a choice or a life-saving measure, in the interest of being alive to see their children grow. to me, it's disgusting, and i wish that parents had a greater place in involvement. >> cong. collins: parents, you have to watch what your kids are doing -- but this is also political pressure, a view to pressure point, this being put into a game to promote something. i think it's the whole issue about the ap curriculum or other things. it's also hypocritical to me

when you have the same hollywood and folks who want to talk about things or push this agenda, but they have no problem putting guns, all these other things that they supposedly hate, but you have one of the most violent movies and video games, silence. >> harris: coming up, liberal nba star seth curry gets called out on a double standard, being dubbed a "social justice aristocrat" after making a big fuss about affordable housing plans near his california mansion. not my backyard, a new saying. i'm a screen addicted tween. and, if i'm not posting on social media, i don't feel seen. hey mom. look! mom! oh my god mom. you gotta look at this. nope. keeping my eyes on the road is paying off with drivewise. post about that.

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representative ilhan omar from the house foreign affairs committee. >> that's the committee for impeachment, where -- so now the intel committee would go back to its responsibility for protecting the american public. when it comes to college football, based upon what she had said, the anti-semitic comments, it's all about the benjamins. the military in america is equal to hamas and the taliban, on 9/11 -- something happened that day. even the former democratic chair of the committee believes her comments were wrong. when a resolution was brought up to deal with this last time, she never apologized, they changed -- to say anti-semitism was wrong. we are not removing her from other committees.

we just do not believe that when it comes to foreign affairs, especially responsibility of that position around the world with the comments that you make. she should not have served there, but this is -- if it was tit-for-tat, we would have paid people to -- all committees and said nothing about it. i just had a conversation with the minority leader hakeem jeffries. what i asked him to do was select a couple of members, along with himself and -- i wanted a couple of members here, and i think what we should do is put into the rules, there is a code of conduct. i don't know exactly the definition of what that's going to be. i think that should be clear so if there is a concern, it's not tit-for-tat, but moving forward, every single member of congress has a responsibility to how they carry themselves. they have to know what that is, and what is the due process in a

bipartisan way a group of democrats, republicans. passing something for not only this congress, but future congress. >> in future congress, we have seen it play out in many hearings, members calling each other names. back up against this. with the roll against democrats and republicans, how can american people -- speak of this is nothing like the last congress where you remove someone from all committees, nothing like the last congress where you have a speaker who tells her republicans that can't be on committees. this is nothing like the last congress where they would deny the rights for bills to even go through committee. this is nothing like the last congress where you never had an open rule. let's just judge the few weeks we had now to the last congress. this is the first time in seven years any bill has come to the floor for open ruling. almost a decade since the bill

has come to the floor that's not an appropriation rule. you look at what we've done in the first week. in a bipartisan way, 146 democrats joined with us, a select committee on china. this is a fundamentally different congress. i have had democrats telling me we are running it better. they like the openness and the working. i will give you another example. the inner workings. there's times where i was going to be given a briefing. the minority year. there is ways that i look at the way we were treated in the past, i don't think was right. i'm glad you asked this question. this is a much different congress, much more. now the public can be here. you can be here, which how different is that? the public, we will have a state of the union where the public can watch. i'm really excited about how this is so different.

let me come back to you, go ahead. that's unfair. >> on hunter biden and his calls for a federal investigation now into the dissemination of the laptop, how was i going to impact your own investigations? >> i think it is delayed in its tactic, an attorney tactic. the one thing i will say from that is acknowledging -- he was a little slower than the rest of the papers, twitter, others. i think the investigations here, the uniquenesses, republicans and democrats. >> just a follow-up. on this secretary, people are asking for articles of impeachment. what about a timeline? when can we see an inquiry happening? >> we will never use impeachment for political reasons. that does not mean that

something rises to the level of impeachment that we would not do it. what you are finding is that committees have just now been organized. i said early on, going down to the border a number of times, the resident going down to the border after 47 years -- we cannot sustain what's happening. every community is a border community. in my own community, a cartel killed six people, a young baby shot in the head. fentanyl is decimating the most productive years in america -- so what you will find is that in the last month, even though we said will going to have an inquiry, in december, we had the highest number we've ever hit. they will start the inquiry, let it grow where ever takes them. >> the congress -- the conference moving forward? >> nobody wants to see the border the way it is.

>> i want you to comment on things -- that members of your congress have said in the past. >> can you tell me an example. >> had comments from marjorie taylor greene. >> is she on foreign affairs, intel? i rest my case. next question. >> you have been talking about the meeting with the president again following these discussions. do you have a timeline for your next meeting with him? realistically, what are the next steps? will you bring members to meet with him at the white house? what's the next step in the process? >> speaker mccarthy: the next step is very clear. we left it that he will give a call in a couple days to set the next meeting, not any of that. today, got to see him at this prayer breakfast, and said -- a very good meeting. i thought his comments, they were going to treat people with

respect. i have respect for them, and i want to be a very responsible with how we deal with it. i was clear with the president. we shouldn't wait five months. let's not put america through turmoil. i looked at the latest polling. they want their government to work. we have a government that is designed, that the american public decided to have a check and balance, republicans in charge of the house, democrats the senate and stash the presidency. i believe the most sensible way to do this is to sit down together and talk. yesterday, said they wouldn't negotiate, but it was a very nice conversation for more than an hour. it didn't mean we agreed, but we staked out different positions. i think at the end of the conversation we thought "this is worthwhile to continue." >> in regard to classified documents, we've seen pressure in the senate and biden

administration. >> harris: you are looking at the person who would be the president of the united states behind kamala harris, should anything happen, and that is a very important voice to know how he moves forward. he got a lot of topics in in a short period. he started when we tuned in at the capital with ilhan omar, representative of minnesota, who was kicked off the foreign affairs committee by the majority republicans. then, there were some discussions about what it would look like if democrats enter republicans got together and reorganized how those decisions would be made. >> we are dealing with a member of congress. i know the world thinks congress is out of control, but the way it operates is that there is a code that has been around for 200 years, the jefferson rules, how you speak and conduct yourself, because you are elected to support the country. the democrats could have handled this two years ago on this resolution. they chose to ignore it and water it down.

i remember ellen engel used to be -- got through and said "i'm going to support this, but i wish we could --" and he dropped his head. i never really felt that bad for another member of the party, but he was hurt by what was going on. they had a chance to fix this. getting together and defining discourse is different. >> harris: emily, it also struck me, he was fully prepared, the speaker of the house, to talk about where she had been. i don't know if that made democrats, as you had said, congressman, look very good on this issue with omar. he had a lot of examples of why she might not be on that house foreign affairs committee. >> emily: we have been subjected to, under our tax dollars, a smoke and mirrors game, something that americans have embraced since it's inception, which is against anti-semitism, which is acknowledging our greatest ally, israel. all of a sudden, a member of congress came in and had

unfettered condemnation were the comments that it was somehow okay. it wasn't because of the process that existed, it's because she was emboldened, apologized for, and encouraged by the small circle around her. as an american, i asked the congressman, that's been around since the beginning. nothing changed, nothing has changed in terms of our expectations and lead to and honor by those members of congress that we have done might expect. what is still to come in and others, frankly, to make the political argument, it was damaging to groups of people, and then trying to hold everybody else accountable to other standards, this is the problem. and we need to have genuine honest disagreement and i'll put forth my best argument, and you put forth, but i'm not going to take down people because i simply want to be evasive. >> about 45 seconds or so to go

here, tammy, he talked about the hunter biden investigation. >> he did. and i think actually what americans want to see this, right, these are questions that we have had about that, about the laptop, about whether or not you are getting the right answers from congress. ranging from the fight to make him speaker, to the issues he addressed today, both of those different issues, very different issues. americans appreciate hearing that kind of clarity, seeing him engage the media and we know we need more information, whether it's about the laptop or ilhan omar and what other committees she's on, americans feel they are a part of it, good news. >> i think a lot of democrats represent large jewish constituencies who are very relieved by this. they did not have to do it themself but saw ilhan omar get checked, a lot of relief. >> they voted for her, though. >> yeah, but in other districts, with different representatives, who happen to be democrats, they

are probably happy she was checked a little bit. >> that's going to do it for us. thank you for watching. it's great to have you, everybody, we had a lot of breaking news in the end there, so glad you watch us. when you can't tune in, set your dvr here for "outnumbered" at noon eastern. >> sandra: a live look at the white house press briefing room, karine jean-pierre is expected to face another round of tough questions from reporters as two major scandals are creating big headaches for the biden administration. hello, welcome, everyone. sandra smith in new york. a bit of housekeeping there, we will get in as soon as the questions begin. >> john: good to be with you on this thursday afternoon. john roberts in washington. some of those concerns are regarding the president's classified document scandal and whether the white house pressured the justice department to not publicize the fbi searc