are probably happy she was checked a little bit. >> that's going to do it for us. thank you for watching. it's great to have you, everybody, we had a lot of breaking news in the end there, so glad you watch us. when you can't tune in, set your dvr here for "outnumbered" at noon eastern. >> sandra: a live look at the white house press briefing room, karine jean-pierre is expected to face another round of tough questions from reporters as two major scandals are creating big headaches for the biden administration. hello, welcome, everyone. sandra smith in new york. a bit of housekeeping there, we will get in as soon as the questions begin. >> john: good to be with you on this thursday afternoon. john roberts in washington. some of those concerns are regarding the president's classified document scandal and whether the white house pressured the justice department to not publicize the fbi search of the penn biden center back in

mid november after the president's attorneys discovered top secret material in his private office. >> sandra: we have fox team coverage for you to kick off this hour. miranda divine is standing by, the other huge story, hunter biden admitting notorious laptop she has been reporting on for two years now was indeed his. >> john: first to mark meredith, live on the north lawn at 1600 pennsylvania. what are we expecting to hear from the president today? >> john, we are expecting to see the president on camera a little later on this afternoon, it's unclear if he's going to be taking any questions. reporters no doubt will be shouting questions to him as well as the white house staff, trying to piece together exactly who knew what and when when it came to these documents. officials admit should not have been in the president's possession. big headline yesterday, the fbi was searching the president's beach home in rehobeth beach, delaware, his lawyers said no

classified materials were found. however, some handwritten notes dating back to the obama years were removed for review. the white house says it's cooperating, the word they use all the time, cooperating, it's unclear if the president would sit down with the special counsel for an interview if he's tasked to investigate this matter. ron klain, he admits it's not something he thought the white house was going to be dealing with. >> you know, in terms of these documents somehow winding up in his files, i was surprised as he has been surprised, and again, the most important thing i think is cooperated fully with the justice department, with the national archives, to make sure that as things are found they are turned over the same day, and to cooperate fully. >> wednesday's search in rehobeth was not a surprise. the president's lawyers and white house counsel's office says it was a preplanned event, something they worked with the

fbi on. ohio republican senator j.d. vance says it should be a red flag. >> it's ridiculous, it's not a real investigation if they are giving the subject of the investigation a head's up hours and days before they stop by. clearly the leadership of the fbi has decided that joe biden is going to be treated with kid gloves, even though we know this is a pattern of mishandling classified documents. >> as we have been talking about, you can see on the bottom side of your screen, the white house briefing underway, my colleague, jacqui heinrich in the seat ready to ask some questions again about the timeline of events and whether or not we were not told about other events that happened in november when the documents were first being discovered. john, as you have seen, it's unlikely we will get any major answers on these. >> john: jacqui is there, good questions to ask, see if karine jean-pierre is in a mood to answer them or if she's passed over again. mark, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: hunter biden admitting the infamous laptop

uncovered before the 2020 election was in fact his. claiming the contents from that computer were illegally revealed. all that coming as house republicans are set to hold their first hearing into president biden and his family's business dealings next week. new york post summing it up today saying "it's mine." let's bring in miranda divine, author of the laptop from hell, hunter biden, big tech, dirty secrets the president tried to hide. you've been reporting on this for years as we mentioned. we know the briefing is underway at the white house. karine jean-pierre is set to take questions from reporters. to what extent to bring it to this moment, what extent do you believe the white house will bring any transparency, any answers on this revelation? >> well, i mean, 0. we have seen the complete lack of transparency from this white house from the get-go, despite

the promises of joe biden, and particularly when it comes to his classified documents. karine jean-pierre will always defer to, you know, the lawyers or the doj or anybody else but herself. she has her very basic talking points. we'll get nothing out of the white house but it must be a headache behind the scenes for the people in biden's team to have hunter biden out there freelancing with oodles of cash he seems to have to pay expensive lawyers and file frivolous lawsuits, or lawsuits, but frivolous letters. >> sandra: if you could stay with us, karine jean-pierre is taking the first question. we'll dip in and get back to you. >> heard it from the speaker himself, a continuing conversation and there are real discussions to continue as it realities to the american people

when you look at the deficit more broadly and how we need to lower, continue t lower the deficit and what the president has done the last two years. i've heard me talk about that many times from the podium and we have said, we have said very loud and clear to the speaker, if he has any ideas how to work together we are willing to listen and work in good faith. as it realities, when i've always said, when it comes to lifting the debt ceiling, that is a completely separate issue. and that has not changed. you've heard it from me, the president, and brian deese and others in this administration we need to do that without conditions. the debt ceiling needs to be lifted without conditions. and so we still stand by that, that has not changed. we believe, we truly believe it is a constitutional duty of congress, republican, democrat, independents, to get that done as we have seen it done 78 times

before since 1960. >> given the optimism, i understand you don't want -- you are not going to detail negotiations, but should we take there were potential areas of agreement identified here? >> look, i'm not going to speak for the speaker. i certainly am not his spokesperson, but president biden has made it very clear that it is up to congress to live out their congressional duty to avoid economic catastrophe as it relates to a default, we have been clear on that. and mary, i think you are alluding to this, not going to negotiate in public in anything related to fiscal responsibility, and what it is that they want to move forward with. the house, the house republicans, what it is -- what is it their plan is going to be. what the president has said, he's clear on the debt ceiling, it should be done without conditions. he's willing and ready to discuss how we can lower costs. >> sandra: ok, we are going to keep monitoring that and get

back in. miranda is still with us, and breaking news here, because this revelation that, and this admission from hunter biden's lawyers that the laptop was indeed his, that notion is being challenged by hunter biden's lawyers and just in to us, miranda, i'll read it. saying these letters do not confirm mac isaac's or other versions of a so-called laptop. they address conduct of seeking manipulating and disseminating what they alleged to be mr. biden's personal data, whatever they claim -- wherever they claim to have gotten it. so seems they are walking back that admission in that letter that this was indeed hunter biden's laptops saying this is not an admission. your response, your reaction? >> yeah, this is something that hunter biden's sugar brother kevin morris have been running for quite a long time.

he has an elaborate conspiracy theory i cannot really grasp. they are just getting themselves tangled up into all sorts of knots and i'm surprised that law firm, which is supposed to be, you know, very prestigious, very expensive, would allow itself to be made a laughing stock of. because what you just read out is absurd. i mean, either they want the delaware attorney general to investigate people basically purloining hunter biden's private data unlawfully accessing his laptop or they don't or it's not his laptop. hunter biden himself is confused about this, he's been on interviews saying oh, yes, it could be my laptop, it might be my laptop, might have been stolen, etc., etc., you know, it's his laptop. >> sandra: regardless of all of that, if you will, this is what we have heard from lawmakers.

over the course of months now, especially when we interview them right here on this program, miranda, saying when it comes down to this investigation of hunter biden and the laptop, this is really about the family affairs, and about investigating joe biden himself. listen. >> the overall investigation is about biden family influence peddling but we are very concerned on the return on investment adversaries were expecting to get from the millions of dollars transferring to the biden accounts. >> the money, china, china gives big money to the university of pennsylvania, millions to the penn biden center. >> we are going to have a great opportunity now to investigate all of these issues as relates to the biden family. >> sandra: you saw jim jordan, he tweeted this, hunter biden

admitted his laptop belonged to him. how can that be, he asks? 51 intelligence officials in quotation told us it was misinformation. so how have we gotten to this -- do this point, miranda? >> well, a lot of lies, i guess, in powerful positions. joe biden himself before the 2020 election and the last debate he had with donald trump dismissed the laptop as a russian plant, and he cited that letter, that dishonest letter written by 51 former high level intelligence officials, including five former cia directors or acting directors. and said the russian -- that the laptop was, had all the ear marks of a russian information operation. they seem to think there's something different between saying it was russian disinformation, that's not how it was read by anybody, and it was not how the letter was

intended to be read. it was intended to be used by joe biden who had to get up on the debate stage to answer what we had published in our first story that was censored on the say-so of the fbi by big tech, by twitter. they were terrified that the truth was going to come out before the 2020 election about the biden family influence peddling scheme and james comer is 100% right. this is not about hunter biden, it's about joe biden, it's about his involvement in his son, his brothers, both brothers, influence peddling scheme that they internationalized out of delaware when he was vice president. >> miranda divine, thank you very much for joining us on that. we will follow your reporting on this as you have throughout. and by the way, if our team could tee up the sound miranda just mentioned, biden at the

2020 debate dismissing the laptop story as russian disinformation. here was that moment. >> there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this, he's accusing me of is a russian plant. they have said that this is -- has all the -- 4, 5 former heads of the cia, both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. nobody believes it except his and his good friend rudy giuliani. >> sandra: remember that, john? >> john: i do, and thinking about what miranda said about the ownership of the laptop, the pertinent quote from the let from the letter of abby lowell, we write to request an investigation into the following individuals for whom there is considerable reason to believe violated various delaware laws in accessing, copying, manipulating, and/or

disseminating mr. biden's personal computer data. if that's not saying the laptop is his, i don't know what is. >> sandra: that's a fair point. so they are trying to make the case this does not confirm what has been confirmed. >> john: if that was not his laptop, then what data are they talking about in this letter here? >> sandra: i think there's a whole lot more to learn here. >> john: i think there is, too, and we will continue down this track. relentless ice storm finally coming to an end after four days of dangerous conditions, caused at least eight deaths from the southern plains to the mid south. the ice also leaving hundreds of thousands of people without power. nicole valdez is live in memphis, tennessee, and nicole, how soon could the south see some relief and you could take off the coat and the fuzzy hat? >> john, it may not be 'til friday afternoon when we finally start to see this thick layer of

ice melt. this is what the problem is. it is not only coating the roadways and pretty much every surface all from texas, oklahoma, arkansas, all the way into western tennessee, but it's also weighing down those power lines causing hundreds of thousands of people to remain without power today. meanwhile, air travel also really suffering nationwide, more than 22,000 flights across the country canceled since monday as it relates to this ice storm. dozens of crashes and at least eight people have lost their lives since monday. so, this is a continually dangerous situation. in downtown memphis, really a ghost town, some people trying to move around and get back to the normal routine. however, at least a quarter, if not a half inch of ice reported in some areas of west tennessee, a slippery and very dangerous travel. not something you want to take the risk, unfortunately we have seen time and time again the danger in doing so.

so, john, it may not be 'til tomorrow when we start to see above freezing temperatures where all this ice will melt. we are watching that begin today, but unfortunately we are expecting that to drop again and it will likely refreeze, so friday morning's commute will be just as dangerous. >> john: all right, nicole valdez in the thick of things. i hope you are getting into some warmer weather soon. >> sandra: nearly one year after putin's invasion began. fox news sitting down with president zelenskyy for an exclusive new interview where he thinks the war is headed and how he wants the u.s. to step in more and help. >> john: and talks over the debt ceiling officially underway between president biden and kevin mccarthy as americans say they are worried about the issue, and what else lies ahead for the economy. ohio senator j.d. vance is on deck. does he see any potential for common ground here? we'll ask him.

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>> sandra: this just in as "america reports" on this thursday afternoon. the gop responds to next week's state of the union address has been addressed. it will be go to a republican who was just elected to office for the very first time. the new arkansas governor, sarah sanders, will give the rebuttal to president biden's address tuesday night, delivering remarks from little rock far from the capitol where president biden will be speaking to congress. and this will be president biden's first joint address we won't see nancy pelosi sitting directly behind him as speaker

kevin mccarthy takes that spot now that republicans control the house. so sarah sanders, the gop response. >> john: looking forward to that. that will be interesting to watch. house speaker kevin mccarthy met with president biden yesterday on the debt limit as new polling finds economic issues are of top concern for americans. 68% of registered voters are extremely or very concerned about the debt limit debate. j.d. vance, the first opportunity to have a speak with you on "america reports" since you took the oath of office. good to be with you, senator. thank you. so, first question right out of the blocks here, is there going to be an agreements on the debt ceiling and if so, what do you think that looks like? >> certainly going to be an agreement on the debt ceiling because all of us agree the united states has to pay its debts. no one is arguing against that. i think to the extent the president is saying republicans want to take us off the cliff, it's fundamentally a scare

tactic, it's not serious and does not help come to an agreement. and we have to get ourselves back on the path to fiscal sustainability, and that's really what the debate is all about. the way that i would frame this for you and for everybody listening and watching, if you go back to 2019, our federal treasury paid out $4.4 trillion, that was the amount of money the federal government was spending. in 2022, we collected 4.4 trillion in taxes, that is a balanced budget if we just go back to the precovid emergency pandemic levels of spending, and that's really ultimately what the debate is. discretionary spending is blowing up in the country, republicans want to get it back to a pre-pandemic level. i suspect most americans agree with that. >> john: a lot of criticism from the left on mccarthy's demands for spending cuts in order to raise the debt ceiling as we

pointed out, and you pointed out, he wants to do it without conditions, and republicans say no, there needs to be conditions. and an op-ed in the wall street journal said in holding the debt limit hostage, treasury secretary janet yellen says republicans could do harm to the u.s. economy. at what doesn't does not raising the debt ceiling become less irresponsible than continuing current policy and allowing the country to go broke? the current federal debt is more than $31 trillion. i remember back in the days of the waning weeks of the clinton administration, they were crafting a plan to pay down the then $5.7 trillion debt. i mean -- we got no hope of ever paying this thing off, but it's just going to continue to balloon out of control and out of sight. >> that's exactly right. look, senator graham makes a good points, the irresponsibility here is not putting the country back on a

long-term path to fiscal sanity. every household has to deal with it, every government has to deal with it, you cannot spend way more money than you take in every single year. and the thing the democrats are doing here, specifically president biden, saying we are not going to negotiate. two problems with that. the first, the constitution gives the speaker of the house and the congress control over the budgetary picture. the president has to negotiate with us, that's the way the founding fathers set it up. also, if you look historically when we have reached major debt ceiling situations, we often have a situation where we come together and negotiate how to get the country back on the right financial pathway. that's all we are saying needs to happen here. irresponsible thing is to do nothing, which is unfortunately exactly what the democrats are proposing. i don't think that's actually going to happen, i think republicans are standing firm. >> john: we seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place with president biden saying he wants the debt ceiling raised without conditions, speaker mccarthy saying no there have to

be cuts, though he has not articulated fully what the cuts would be. can you tell us what those cuts would be? >> well, a number of things in the discretionary budget. think about going back to 2019, you saw discretionary spending go up mainly because of covid, emergency pandemic measures, ballooning a trillion dollars, $2 trillion of additional spending per year. a lot of that is still in place even though, of course, the pandemic emergency is over. so a lot of this is just going back to the 2019 baseline. that to me is where we need to start. we need to focus on that big discretionary expansion and spending. that's where i think there's a lot of room to cut, and that's where ultimately i think we are going to come down on this. >> john: i want to go to the last call for, what best describes america today. fox news poll asked what best describes america today. overwhelming majority of people, 81% said dysfunctional family is the best way to describe it.

that's up ten points from 2020. and up about four points from 2016. there's no such thing, senator, as regular order in congress anymore. you probably discovered that in the first few weeks you have been there, in terms of dealing with budgets and spending. how do we get back to the way things used to be done in congress when you had a healthy and robust debate over spending and these 12 appropriations bills actually got individually debated and passed? >> yeah, you know, we need to get back to regular order. it's one of the reasons why we have the spending problems we do today. but look, we are in congress a bit of a dysfunctional family, but i imagine most americans like me have had some experience with dysfunctional families and the way you deal with each other is that you respect one another and you accept negotiation has to take place. the main problem with joe biden's posture, it's not -- we are going to disagree with him, he's a democratic president, i'm a republican senator. it's not the specifics. it's the fact he refuses to even

have a conversation. again, that's not how it works. that's the way to perpetuate the dysfunctionality. >> john: you can disagree with each other but have negotiation and discussion and come to agreement what's best for the country. wouldn't that be something if we got back to that? senator, great to talk to you for the first time since you took the oath. hope to see a lot more of you. >> thank you, take care. >> sandra: ukrainian president zelenskyy sitting down with an exclusive new interview with fox correspondent trey yingst, it happened today, and a critical moment from the russian invasion. trey joins us, so, what did he tell you? >> sandra, good afternoon. ukrainian president zelenskyy told us that a new russian offensive is underway as we speak. he discussed a variety of topics, from u.s. military

support to the possibility of peace talks. >> when was the last time you tried to call russian president vladimir putin? >> before the full scale invasion, i don't remember the exact day, but during the previous year i attempted to make several phone calls to him, even several days before the full scale war i was talking to leaders how it was happening and i told them that we can't have a conversation. >> would you be willing to speak with him now? >> no, no, i'm not interested. i mean, he's the one who doesn't keep his own word. >> what conditions would you need to have a conversation about peace with russian president putin? >> we could start talking about diplomatic steps with russia only after they will withdraw their forces from the ukrainian territory. so let them withdraw and then

we'll start talking. >> it appears there's a stalemate for peace. zelenskyy is unwilling to speak with vladimir putin until he with draws troops from the country but putin is moving forward with the new offensive and yet the war continues. sandra. >> sandra: trey yingst, thank you very much for that. john. >> john: sandra, the judge in the alec murdaugh trial ruling evidence of alleged financial crimes and litigation over a deadly boat crash can be presented in court. a major blow to the defense team, which argued murdaugh's financial matters should not be considered in the case. jonathan has been following this story, he joins us live with the very latest. jonathan, why do prosecutors want to be able to talk about financial crimes in this murder trial? >> hi, john. prosecutors want to show that alec murdaugh's alleged financial crimes were beginning

to catch up with him, especially on the days of the murders. the judge is reviewing each piece of evidence and deciding what evidence and what witnesses can be presented to the jury and he's doing is that outside the presence of the jury. without the jury in the room we heard the cfo of alec murdaugh's former law firm testify that on june 7, 2021, earlier on the day of the murders, she confronted alec about some missing funds. >> he turned and looked at me when i came up and said what do you need now, and gave me a very dirty look, not a look that i've ever received from alec from, frustrated with me look. >> she says that murdaugh assured her he could account for the money but their conversation was quickly interrupted by a phone call informing murdaugh that his hospitalized father was

terminally ill and then that night, murdaugh called 911 to report the deaths of his wife maggie and son paul on the family's 1700 acre hunting estate. this morning a technical expert from snapchat testified that metadata on a video paul murdaugh posted of his father with a fallen tree shows it was recorded the evening of the murders at 7:38 p.m. and then uploaded at 7:39. it shows alec wearing long pants and a button down shirt, just over an hour before the estimated time of the shootings. but john, if you remember that sled interrogation video that was taken immediately after the murders when police were questioning murdaugh in that video, he was wearing shorts and a clean t-shirt. and so prosecutors are presenting this evidence to suggest that at some point there was a change of clothes. john. >> john: jonathan, we'll be talking about this coming up a little bit later on in the

program. jonathan, thank you for the update. >> sandra: thanks very much, john. president biden is planning to lean in on the economy and economic record as a key part of the campaign message, some numbers show it may not be the best idea. a record number of americans are now cracking into their 401(k)s to keep them afloat because they are struggling so badly to make ends meet. with inflation running rampant. let's bring in charles payne, host of making money on fox business. ok, i'm going to play devil's advocate here today. you've got the stock market rallying, ok, you can point to signs that inflation maybe has peaked, ok, growth is still happening, all right, but, and some of the calls for recession seem to be not happening right now, let's put it that way. what say you about the economy? will biden be able to lean into

the economy for his 2024 message? >> he better lean now. he better lean as fast as he can. it's -- we got to make a distinction between the economy and trillions of dollars in free money. we do need to make a distinction. >> sandra: fair point. because we were handing out money during the pandemic, right, to those that needed it, and those that didn't need it and were getting it, they were stockpiling it, savings were building, ok. >> saving were building, it was an amazing party, like the ultimate party, like the whole country was vegas, checks coming in, you didn't have to go to work. some people made twice as much money not working than going to work. i'm talking trillions. it's hard to put our mind around this. to spend all that money. yeah, you get to brag about things and what we call nominal numbers, two plus two is 4, but

inflation, it's not 4, because you go to the store and it does not go as far. my rent is through the roof, all of these things that make life tough for the average person, he could brag all he wants, the average person is going to know. he -- listen, inflation was at a 40 year high. no one knew about the sting of inflation. now we talk about it coming down. it's coming down because people are running out of money, the federal reserve is trying to do their job and slow it down, so when we run out of money the alternative is going to be maybe a recession, shallow, deep, we don't know. >> sandra: i talked to a private wealth manager at morgan stanley this morning and i said, i challenged him with the same question. he said wait for the fourth quarter, a lot of this has to work its way through the system. so some of the dire forecasts could work out. >> saw some of this the last fourth quarter. >> sandra: i'll ask you about

the stock market rally, a lot of companies are laying people off to make their numbers look better, not necessarily an improving economy. ok. we are going to head to the white house, charles, stand by. talking debt ceiling right now. >> we are talking about veterans, and so we oppose that. we are against that. but that's what they keep saying and many of you have reported but we haven't -- where's the plan? like what is it that they are going to lay out to show us exactly, not just to us, but to the american people? now, i want to be very clear. the conversation that the president and the speaker had yesterday was productive, we appreciated the time that the speaker gave to the president to have a conversation, and our teams again have been in touch and we'll see where we go from there. >> the law says the president's budgets is due the first monday in february. joe biden is not the first president to be late. but if he is late, and five weeks from today you said the budget will come out.

can you explain why it is delayed? i think you were asked this last week and there was a suggestion might have something to do with the omnibus. is that the reason? >> basically said the omnibus happened so late in, as you know in the last session, which caused us to, you know, be a little bit later with the president's budget, so that did -- there is definitely a correlation there. >> sandra: we are going to keep monitoring this, and jacqui heinrich is in that room, and you've got a number of big scandals growing, you have the classified document scandal that she could be pressed on, we'll be listening obviously for that and the hunter biden laptop situation. charles, back to you. anything to react to there, by the way? >> no, you know, hopefully the budget drama does not come down to the last minute. >> sandra: i think that was the question there. but as far as more americans short on cash, reporting 64% of the country living paycheck to paycheck. here is the wall street journal on why more and more people are

now dipping into their savings. cracking into their 401(k), half taking hardship withdrawals, do so to avoid eviction or foreclosure. another 15% pay medical bills, and 10% pay college tuition. what does that tell you, charles? >> everything went up, all the things you just talked about are great proxies for the spike in run away inflation, and again, people have had a tough time making adjustments to it. but just recently we saw personal income go up, spending down. savings 2.4% last year, back over 3%. people are starting to try as much as they can to start hoarding money, holding on to it because the average person watching this show can see this. they have been through the economic cycles before, even with the fourth quarter gdp report, consumption was lower

than anticipated. i have mixed feelings about the 401(k) stuff, i think it's too easy to say i have a hardship. >> sandra: you should try to avoid that. >> when you are older, you need the money. it comes at the right time. and it's not there. >> sandra: and historically, the american stock market will grow over time. and look at the big board, nasdaq is the winner today, the dow, not doing so well, down 63 points. i can't show you the nasdaq but it's up 405 points. so technology names are thriving. >> it is, meta stock over 20%, facebook stock. three of the biggest names in the country and the world, apple, amazon, after the close, google, you know, alphabet, a tremendous amount of excitement. those names had took it on the chin last year. >> sandra: really interesting

stuff. >> federal reserve, jay powell is the big story, he thinks he can make a soft landing. we'll see, we'll see. >> sandra: it's a huge task. >> john: the college board doing an about face on an african american studies plan. the head of the board saying it did not cave under pressure from florida governor ron desantis. why california's democratic governor is calling that statement b.s. >> sandra: the heartbreaking story from parents who lost their son noah to fentanyl. noah's father testifying during the border crisis hearing yesterday as democrats argue securing it is racist. noah's mother is hispanic. we will ask her about that, and her advice to parents on keeping their kids safe. that's next. >> people are not going out looking for fentanyl and the cartels are mixing it with anything. they are getting poisoned by this drug that's highly toxic.

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>> john: he was trying -- according to your husband's testimony, he was trying to get percocet, what he got was not percocet, it was a fatal dose of fentanyl? >> yes, right, right. so it was a, when we call a fentapill, pure fentanyl, in the form of percocet. >> john: you were initially reluctant to speak out publicly about all of this. why and what changed your mind? >> i was reluctant because of noah's previous overdose in may. where he was experiencementing with some friends, a group of friends, and with some cocaine, and unfortunately it landed him

in icu for four days. i just didn't want people to look at my son as a druggie, because he was not. teenagers experiment and that's what he was doing. >> john: and then the second time he did led to this horrible, terrible situation. you and your husband brandon dunn have created as we mentioned forever 15, a non-profit organization designed to spread awareness of fentanyl. how is that going? >> it's going great. it's probably one of the best decisions we decided to do, and by the way, i am the founder, it's going great. like we are getting so much feedback from parents across the nation sharing their stories with us, just applauding us for our efforts and want to get

involved. >> john: so more than 100,000 people last year suffered the same fate as your son, and yet the border, for all intents and purposes, remains wide open to drug traffickers who were bringing in record amounts of fentanyl. what do you say to president biden about what's going on in the southern border that is allowing so much poison to come into this country? >> what i would like to say to the president is something needs to happen down there, and i'm an american, we are americans, and our people need to come first. i care about what happens in america and what happens to american families and right now our children are dying because of the security -- the lack of security at the border.

>> john: janel, i can't imagine as a parent, as a mother what i have been going through for the past six months. our hearts, our prayers are with you. we applaud your efforts to reach out to people, parents and even children across the country and make them aware of this terrible scourge that's just decimating our society. god speed to you. >> thank you. >> john: sandra. >> sandra: shocking new details revealed in the hunt for the idaho murder suspect, bryan kohberger may have had a multi-hour window to escape when he was being trailed by the fbi cross country. how did he get out of their sight? >> john: the white house taking a victory lap over investigators not finding any classified documents at president biden's beach home. but did the manner of the search highlight republican claims that there is a two-tier system of

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