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justice for anyone. he'll join us ahead. fox news alert. >> can you say how many people the white house counsel's office added to prepare for the house invest investigations? >> i would refer you to the white house counsel office with staffing or how they are moving forward dealing with that. >> john: the white house press secretary, more questions over his son's infamous laptop. news on that story this afternoon. >> sandra: hunter biden's lawyers are requesting investigations into people they say unlawfully accessed his data, including the laptop repair store owner, but now hunter's lawyers say that does not mean that they are admitting that the laptop was actually his. just that his data has been improperly accessed. new york post columnist miranda

divine at the front of the story weighed in last hour. >> what you just read out is absurd. i mean, either they want the delaware attorney general to investigate people basically purloining hunter biden's private data, unlawfully accessing his laptop or they don't, or it's not his laptop. >> john: the president dismissed the story all together, calling it a product of russia. that was back in 2020. >> you know my character, reputations for telling the truths. 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this, he's accusing me of is a russian plant. they have said this has all the -- four -- five former heads of the cia, both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. >> john: david and juan are

here, and rich edson from washington, but first david spunt, the president's document scandal, what's the latest on the special counsel investigation? >> robert hur is at work today going through all of the information since this investigation broke that includes searches at the penn biden center here in washington, d.c. by the fbi, the president's home in wilmington and even some documents taken yesterday and while the president's attorney, and he wrote a very carefully worded statement saying no documents with classified markings were recovered by the fbi today, we do know that some handwritten notes and other pieces of paper were taken from rehobeth beach and we also know, john, it's possible, it is possible that some of those handwritten notes and documents may have some classified information, though they are not labelled classified. now, all of that material is back at special counsel robert hur's team and his purview. he'll work off site at an

undisclosed location in washington, d.c., typical for a special counsel to be somewhat removed from doj. the white house continues to be in damage control mode with a new chief of staff his first full day on the job. they have insisted the investigation is cooperation. watch this right here. >> the president's been fully cooperative and he's directed his team to be fully cooperative. we have cooperated fully that the president has been fully cooperative. we are being fully cooperative, offering up access to the president's personal homes. >> and speaking of the word cooperative, that they are planning to search former vice president's mike pence's home in indiana in the coming days, pence's team have always said they would be cooperative. mike pence told rich edson he will be cooperative in the inquiry, so this special counsel, though, that i

mentioned, robert hur, only focusing on president biden and documents surrounding the president. there has not been a special counsel named in mike pence's situation. john. >> john: david, more to come on all of that. >> sandra: a lot to keep track of. the other biden drama breaking in the last few minutes, one of his attorneys say the president's troubled son's laptop was not originally his. and he threatened to sue reporters, that was seen as an admission. so, is it his laptop or not, rich? >> well, sandra, here is the deal. attorneys for hunter biden say they want investigation into those responsible for releasing his personal data, though they are refusing to acknowledge what information is his. hunter's attorneys sent letters to state and federal prosecutors

requesting they investigate the computer repair shop owner who passed along data from his laptop, and rudy giuliani. they wrote there is considerable reason to believe they violated various delaware laws in accessing, copying, manipulating, and/or disseminating mr. biden's personal computer data. now in a statement referring to john paul mac isaac, one of his attorneys writes these letters do not confirm mac isaac's or other versions of so-called happy, what they allege to be mr. biden's personal data wherever they claim to have gotten it. mac isaac called the accusations false and attempt to deflect from hunter's criminal conduct. republicans say they are investigating. >> the focus we'll have on the judiciary committee, how big government worked with big tech to keep that information from

the american people, starting with those 51 former intel officials who wrote that now famous line that the hunter biden laptop story has all the ear marks of a russian information operation. >> information from the laptop hit "the new york post" less than a month before the 2020 election, shortly after more than 50 former intelligence officers, former cia directors said the data had a classic earmark of a russian information campaign, also the white house commenting on this tossing this issue back to hunter's attorneys. >> sandra: we heard this just a moment ago from karine jean-pierre. >> john: bring in our panel, juan williams, and david avella, abby lowell is a very good washington attorney, just ask bill clinton, jared kushner or ivanka trump but seems to have tied himself up in knots, particularly the charge here, mr. mac isaac has admitted

gaining access to our client's computer information without his consents. he has copied the data without his consent. if he didn't have the laptop, juan, how did he get the stuff? >> on the surface ridiculous, seems absurd. but the point, abby lowell is a good lawyer, making the argument the data was transferred to the laptop from somewhere else, or had his laptop and then sent it because of the technical possibilities, imported it to another device, i don't know. it does not make sense on the surface. >> juan, thanks, comparisons to hillary clinton's laptop no doubts, but i'm not. >> john: i thought it was a server. >> a different set of comparisons, when white houses get involved in scandals, whether it be the teapot, iran contra, that is the complete focus and the policy agenda goes

out the door, and that's where we are getting to with the biden administration. whether it be the classified documents, whether it be, continue to be the investigation into hunter biden's laptop, it's day after day in the white house briefing the white house gets asked about this and it becomes pretty serious now that we are talking about the debt ceiling and politically for the president he continues to get damaged and as we think about 2024, there is one democrat who does not want biden to run again, and that's hunter biden, he wants it off the table. >> john: and to that point, hunter biden has assembled a very aggressive new legal tomorrow to go after people who are disseminating information from the laptop, some people who are reporting on it as well. is this an effort to sort of chill the waters of discussion about this in advance of joe biden potentially announcing a 2024 run? >> i don't see it as relevant at all. i think for most americans -- >> john: how is it not relevant?

>> most americans view that as washington, i got you, you got me. people don't see it as relevant to their issues, whether it's the economy -- the economy is doing better, look, we are doing well in terms of repelling the russians out of ukraine, i could go on. but this is washington politics at its worst. this is juvenile behavior, and to you know, when david says oh, this is going to somehow damage the biden administration's reputation, i think house republicans have to worry people think we voted for you, you said you were going to do something about immigration, do something about inflation and all you do is you spend your time carping about the president's son, the guy who already admitted he's a drug addict? >> john: as david pointed out, it's a drip, drip, drip, drip thing, ask bill clinton about that. >> gallup poll on monday inflation is no longer the number one concern, it's

government leadership and americans are thinking is joe biden the right person to lead america. we are now at 21% who have a concern about government leadership. so it does speak very -- the scandal does speak very much to voters beliefs in this administration. what is interesting, though, about this new defense of hunter biden's is that it completely ignores the fact that almost any computer laptop repair shop, including this one, after 90 days, the laptop is the owner of the repair shop's. the biden laptop was there for months. it wasn't even list laptop anymore. but i'm not sure why we are concerned about was he doing influence, now that he is the successful artist. [laughter] wait, wait, we don't know who bought his art, oh, maybe we do need a house investigation. >> john: juan have the final word here. >> i don't think this is a

matter of national concern worthy of the house and jim jordan spending his time on this. this is like petty politics. >> john: the laptop belonged to donald trump, jr., would it be? >> it depends. and every business -- >> john: same story but donald trump, jr., would it be worthy of investigation? >> let's assume that it is hunter's laptop, assume what we have learned so far is relevant, right. what is there? that's why i said, so far you have to say there is nothing there. >> john: a lot of interesting photographs. >> oh, my god, time for the segment to go. [laughter] >> john: thank you, gentlemen. juan knows when to pull up on the stick. terrain, terrain -- pull up, ok. >> sandra: but to the point of the lawmakers whose sound we played out last hour, john, it's not an investigation so much about hunter biden, it's about hunter biden and joe biden --

and 100%, and all the lawmakers who were involved pushing to continue the investigations have made that clear as did miranda divine. >> john: it's not about the photos, they are just window dressing. >> sandra: but they are there. ok. so, we are going to continue to follow all the twists and turns there. seems all we hear is china is becoming more advanced and more of a threat to the united states. but a win in the heartland as they kick china to the curb. how america's corn crops nearly became a national security threat. >> john: teachers under attack across the country as unruly teens take over the classrooms. one in georgia attacked and left with a broken leg? the rise in teen violence across the country. what needs to be done to stop it. lawrence jones cross country standing by to give his take coming up next. >> we have been seeing over the

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>> john: disturbing viral video shows a violent assault on a georgia teacher by a ninth grader. the teacher was pulled to the ground and repeatedly punched when she attempted to redirect the student's behavior in class. the 27-year-old educator now hospitalized with a broken leg and knee injuries. that's just one example of the alarming trend in teen violence from carjackings and robberies to shootouts and attacks. america's youth is spiralling

out of control. up in the big apple, the commissioner blames so-called criminal justice reform for the rise in juvenile crime. is there more at play here? but first, laura and how dangerous kids have become in new york city, laura. >> hey, john, we keep doing these stories and as the number of juvenile offenders continue to rise, many are looking at the raise the age lou, kids under 18 cannot be prosecuted as an adult even if they have a serious offensive against them. in new york city, shootings at the hands of juveniles has doubled in two years, that according to the nypd and since the law went into effect in 2018, younger new yorkers face lighter sentences as juveniles and have their records sealed. another example, 17-year-old james was arrested for attempted murder despite prior gun arrests. he was sent to an alternative

sentencing program instead of jail, but four months later he was arrested for a loaded gun. and they talk about amended outdated laws that punish young offenders. >> the counter argument is wait a minute, you have a lot of statistics showing us that 16 and 17-year-olds who are now being given this more lenient treatment are committing the offenses again. >> last week the police commissioner of new york repeated calls for reform. >> we continue to operate in an environment of chronic resitivism, a system deficient in meaningful intervention for our youth. >> over the last several years, 47 states have raised their age

of criminal responsibility. here in new york, the mayor has said that he wants state lawmakers to make some serious changes to the laws, including how juveniles are charged in possession of a gun or brandish a weapon, saying they should be treated the same. john. >> john: really disturbing stuff. laura, thank you. >> sandra: bring in lawrence jones, great to have you here. you have been reporting a lot on crime, but specifically juvenile crimes. this is a trend that is rising at an alarming rate. why is this happening? >> a couple factors. the fact there is no respect for authority anymore, and you get no respect of authority when you don't hold people accountable. so when you have a criminal justice system that is allowing people back on the street, our young people are taking notice as well. drug dealers and the people that commit crimes allow juveniles to do those crimes because they realize the sentencing and the

accountability is much different from them, even though we are not even punishing the adult, so there is that aspect. the other thing is you have parents that are friends with their children now, there's no discipline in the household or the parents are not there at all. so all of that is creating a system where kids feel like they can get away with anything. my first job was working in juvenile court, and we were trying to get young people to turn their life around. there was scared straight, all these are second, third, fourth, and fifth chances we are giving young people. >> sandra: i want to put some headlines up here, it really hits home on some of the biggest issues involved with this spike in juvenile crime. florida teachers are fleeing a county with agregious student behavior like spitting, biting, drug use and theft. 15-year-old accused of pointing a loaded gun at a student in

school. we know that one. the homestead kindergarten student found with a gun in the backpack. to that first point, you know who else is taking notice, teachers. they are leaving the schools, they fear for their lives in the country, this is our fox affiliate in atlanta spoke with the president of the georgia federation of teachers. she said this, she was angered by the video, said more and more incidents like this and said students are out of control. there is no excuse for the violence. no excuse for children who are coming into our school daily and wreaking havoc so other students cannot learn. there is a huge problem with retaining teachers or even recruiting teachers to work when they know so many of these school environments are like this one. >> it's not just in the schools. kids are not even going home. we talked about what happened to our colleague, adam, they were minors back on the street in some hours. >> sandra: he got beat up by

teenagers on subway. >> my mom and dad had a rule, when the streetlights are on you better be home. and no respect for authority. as i said, and i'm not a parent myself, who am i to criticize, but when i see people in the stores cussing out their parents, when i see there's no discipline administered and the parents wanted to be friends, i remember the first time my sister slammed the door and my mom took the door off the hinges. i'm sure somebody would call cps now, but order was established in the household and another conversation that needs to be had, and i understand there is a push for men to be more involved. but when you don't have fathers that are in the household, when you don't have the establishment of order in the household, the studies show that the houses will be out of order, that the kids will turn to crime. we have been talking about this for a while on cross country, i'm hoping the leaders start listening, and fathers take their place in the households and hoping the mothers speak out as well. it's not there. we are creating a next generation of criminals, kids

will not take education seriously, and as a result, they will have low paying jobs. >> our kids are our future, and for those kids we want them to thrive, even if they are raised in a household that is not conducive to good behavior. society needs to take notice, we all need to step up and help them, too, and it has to happen sometimes in the schools and if teachers are not willing to show up, we have problems. lawrence jones, promo on the screen, a focus group on youth homicides. >> i can't wait for you to see it. talking with parents that lost their kids to the homicides on the street. what happened, what is the solution to that, we are going to bring it home. >> sandra: lawrence jones, we will see that, and excellent to see you. come back soon. >> i will. >> john: looking forward to that. the alibi of alec murdaugh called into question after prosecutors show new cell phone video they say places him at the crime scene just moments before

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details and you were at that property alexis. what are the main concerns in play here? >> hey, john. when i was out in grand forks in august, locals told me they had concerns of the chinese using the land to spy on the air force base near grand forks. the assistant secretary for service acquisitions explains the proposed project presents a significant threat to national security with both near and long-term risks. the first time they publicly commented on this. the chinese company has tied to the chinese communist party, the company which describes itself as a leader in biofermentation, spent more than 10 million bucks to buy the land. 12 miles from the grand forks air force base, home to top secret drone technology. the mayor of grand forks who

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will be watching that. >> john: new video in the murder trial of south carolina alec murdaugh is calling his alibi into question. prosecutors say a video taken by his son paul minutes before the murders puts alec at the crime scene. the former lawyer says he last saw his wife and son alive 90 minutes before finding their bodies. laurie murray, south carolina criminal defense attorney and also known as lawyer laurie on tiktok. let's look at another video that was played that had been uploaded to snapchat. this taken in the morning of alec murdaugh standing by an uncooperative tree. [laughter] >> better than it was, huh? >> you can see alec murdaugh is trying to get the tree to stand up and it will not, and his son paul behind the camera laughing at that, and then there is this video taken just before the

murders at the dog kennels, paul is taking video of the back end of a dog here and you can hear voices in the background. listen to the video. >> he's got a bird in his mouth. >> the dog had some kind of a bird in his mouth. somebody thought that it was a guinea foul, his son paul says it was a chicken, and then moments after that both paul and his mother were dead. the prosecution says, laurie, that you can hear alec murdaugh's voice on that recording which would contradict what he has said, he claims that he had not been near the kennels, not in the area, and shortly after that time period had gone off to visit his mother who has alzheimer's disease and came back just after 10:00 to find his wife and son shot to death. what do you say about what we have seen in court in terms of video evidence? >> well, you are absolutely

right, the alibi is the problem. initially from the very get-go he has stated he took a nap and had dinner together, took a nap, he woke up, he texted them, he could not get an answer from them, and so he left to go visit his mother. even in the car during i believe the second interview he specifically stated that he did not see maggie and paul after dinner. and this video, the second one you played, the second video that you played absolutely shreds that alibi. it puts him at the scene. two witnesses, two friends of paul's have identified the voice of alec murdaugh and right after maggie says i think it's the guinea, or he's got a chicken in his mouth or whatever, he says ba-ba, and that's the dog's name, he's calling the dog ba-ba. so it is him on the video tape and he shreds his own alibi by

being there. >> john: the figure is not seen on the video tape, will give dick harpootlian a chance to shred what the prosecution is saying. and this is during the second interview alec murdaugh had with police, talking about the murder of paul and seeing the scene. the prosecution says and insists that paul -- that alec said in that interview, very emotional voice, i did him so bad. let's listen to this tape and see what it actually says. >> i did him so bad. >> john: they slowed the tape down to make it more legible, i don't know if it is, but sounds from the witnesses on the stand that alec murdaugh says i did it so bad. the defense is trying to say no, no, no, they did it so bad.

what do you hear? >> honestly think that it is you hear what you want to hear. i can listen to it five times and hear i, and ok, let me make sure i don't hear they and then i hear they. it's difficult to hear, honestly if the agents thought he said i did it so bad they would have made a big deal of it right then, they would have questioned him further. the agent made a mental note of it, he said, i don't think they made a mental note, they played it back, and nobody can tell what he says. you have to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. it's not going to be the smoking gun. >> john: like the audio recording, do you hear laurel or yannie or the gold dress or blue dress. thanks for your thoughts, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> sandra: next up, john, a former walmart ceo says america is stuck in an inflation loop

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>> sandra: fox news alert, a quick look at the white house, former president bill clinton is there. he is right now speaking, he is there at the invitation of current president joe biden. he's playing host to the former president to mark the 30th anniversary of the family and medical leave act. this, of course, was the first piece of legislation that the 42nd president signed into law after taking office back in 1993. bill clinton is 76 years old now, and john, this is not clinton's first trip to the biden white house. he did join president biden at the white house in may for a lunch of last year, but he is speaking live and we just wanted to sort of dip in and show our viewers that this was happening, and bill clinton is going to continue speaking for another couple minutes at the white house. john. >> john: i bet that he finds it quite familiar there, let's see how long it takes him to walk out the front door. >> sandra: the crowd seems to be enjoying his remarks that were supposed to go 2 to 3 minutes,

according to notes from the white house. he has exceeded that so far. >> john: gee, a big surprise. i covered the last two years of his presidency, it was an interesting ride. a college board meant to prepare high school students for the next level is doing an about face on the curriculum for one a.p. course after florida governor ron desantis complained of woke content. phil keating is live in miami and the latest on this. criticism of the governor only seems to be getting louder about this. >> absolutely, john. just yesterday, last night in fact, on the first day of black history month one of the members of the miami-dade black advisory group called him a racist over all of this, and said the governor is using black floridians as political footballs. this is just the latest salvo by ron desantis against what he calls the woke agenda, and one example, black queer theory, he called indoctrination, not

education in the a.p. african american studies course. college board has released the 238 page outline of the course, revised curriculum, material on africa, slavery, reconstruction and the civil rights movement remains essentially the same. but some of the subject matter that is now gone includes critical race theory, black feminism and the black lives matter movement making that optional versus mandatory. >> the issue is an we have guidelines and standards in florida, we want education not indoctrination. if you fall on the side of indoctrination, we are going to decline. if it's education, we will do. >> florida black leaders are heavily criticizing desantis, some calling him a racist as i mentioned. civil rights attorney ben crump is threatening to file lawsuits on behalf of three high school students. >> by rejecting the african american history pilot program, ron desantis has clearly demonstrated that he wants to dictate whose story does and

doesn't belong. >> gavin newsom tweeted out this critique, and yet david coleman the head of the college board says we cannot look to statements of political leaders, i call b.s. you are merely a puppet of ron desantis. high school students take these advance placement courses to prove their academic moxie, and it's being taught at 60 high schools nationwide. >> sandra: the statement from newsom sounds like a national campaign type of statement. >> both are rumored to be eyeing for 2024. it could be newsom versus desantis, you never know. >> john: interesting couple of years, thanks, phil. >> sandra: federal reserve hiking interest rates to rein in high inflation, but at what cost. layoffs in the u.s. hit more than 102,000 in january, according to a brand-new report

and that is a 440% increase from the same time last year, and the highest that it's been since 2009. our next guest ran one of america's biggest stores and warns we may be in a world of hurt if the white house does not act soon. bring in bill simon, former walmart ceo and president. your perspective on the economy means a lot. you've seen a lot. you know the behavior of the consumer. what should we make of what we are seeing right now coming off this recent report, especially that 64% of the country is living paycheck to paycheck. >> well, it's good to be with you, sandra. the point i was trying to make was that inflation is really what we should be focused on right now. there's a lot of discussion about recession and whether we are going to be in recession or in a recession or not, but the real issue every day americans are facing is inflation. it hurts 100% of the people, not just a small percentage of the

people, particularly food inflation and lodging, rent inflation, things that have been devastating to the consumer. and it's not the white house, it's a combination of the fed and policy makers and congress and in fact, businesses, corporations because we are in this loop that we can't seem to get out of. high inflation is really pushing employers to increase wages at an accelerated rate. walmart announced a 17% increase in their starting wage, delta pilots are up 25%, the rail workers got a 25% increase. all that in response to inflation adds, you know, more demand and more price, more wage inflation, which puts upward appreciate on pricing and on goss the loop. unless that loop is interrupted, it's going to be difficult for us to recover. >> sandra: you just mentioned the wage increases at walmart, minimum wage, $14 per hour, up from $12 per hour. the average hourly earnings,

17.50 up from $17 per hour. 340,000 store workers impacted. in a perfect world, wage increases would be great but if it's gobbled up by inflation it does not mean much to the workers, and only at the cost of the business that's trying to retain them. charles payne joined us last hour, and to your point about needing to focus on inflation, he says it's getting forgotten about. we are still living through four decade high inflation, listen. >> we have forgotten about inflation in this country. no one knew about the sting of inflation, so now we talk about it coming down, whether it's coming down because of people are running out of money, the federal reserve is trying to do their job and slow it down, when we run out of money, the alternative is going to be maybe a recession. >> sandra: to his point about we had forgotten about it, we had not experienced the price hikes in so long, there they came unnecessarily due to, arguably,

a lot of the policies enacted right away when the new white house stepped in. ok, our team pulled this, because your piece, bill, makes the point that the biden white house has to act soon or we could be in a really dire situation later this year or into the next year. but this is what this white house is saying about the economy right now. listen. >> we are stronger economically than we have been in history. >> our economy, our labor marked is uniquely strong. >> the economy is growing, it is strong, it is creating jobs. >> yes, our economy is strong as hell. >> sandra: so they were saying all this at some of the highest points of inflation, some of the worst points for the economy in the past few months. do you have any confidence they'll tackle this? >> they need to go to the grocery store with average people and go pay their rent and go pay their gas bill and ask them how they are doing at the end of the year and then see what the statements sound like. because middle america is not --

is not doing well, they are not handling the food price increases that are now over 20% two-year stack basis. not handling the rent availability and increases out there. and it's not just the administration that has to deal with it, but i think first you have to admit you have a problem before you can handle it. congress has to act, and we have to -- the fed has to continue with as unpleasant as it might be with the tightening of the money supply in order to get things straightened out. >> sandra: bill, if i may, before i let you go, you just referenced this debate that continues to happen whether or not we are in a recession, entering recession, will there be one at all. that seems to be a debate even though there were dire forecasts for this year to see a deep recession. so where do you fall? >> i don't think it matters to be honest with you. you know, if we go into a recession, we have never had a full employment recession in this country, and we have full employment now or close to it.

so if we do go into a recession, likely will be shallow and short. but if we can't get control of inflation, particularly food and rent inflation, then our economy will sort of -- the consumer, which is two-thirds of the engine of our economy, will falter and then we could fall into something that makes a short shallow recession seem like a day, a walk in the park. >> sandra: really interesting, and this coming off also the report we just covered last hour, more and more people are tapping their 401(k) for hardship withdrawals, and that, too, is not a great sign. most should hold off as long as possible, right, bill? appreciate you joining us on that. really interesting perspective. thank you. >> thank you. >> john: sandra, a rodent rivalry making this groundhog day a little complicated. nick has that story live from fox weather. nick, what's going on? >> that's right, john. can you believe it we have

punxsutawney phil that makes his prediction every year and he does that at about a 40% success rate. meanwhile, staten island chuck does it at about an 80% rate. there he is right there, coming out of his palatial estate at the staten island zoo, he did not see his shadow, and that means an early spring. phil said we would have six more weeks of winter. who is correct? phil may be in the short-term. you can see here, it is going to be cold. some 40 million americans under a wind chill warning as we head into this weekend. so tomorrow morning through saturday we are talking about much of new england dealing with temperatures like this. boston 25 below, you don't even want to know what it's going to feel like in bangor, maine. 40 below, burlington 30 below, and here in new york, a couple

degrees below 0, and frostbite can happen in 30 minutes in as quickly as five minutes like it will be there, that will be the frostbite time in northern maine. so make sure you are bundled up if you have to go outside for anything. so, that's the short-term, john. in the long-term, though, i think staten island chuck may end up winning this, because after this cold snap it's going to be really warm into next week. we are talking about highs along the east coast and the northeast and new york surging into the 50s, maybe even close to 60°. i don't know about you, john, i don't know if you are a warm weather guy or cold weather guy, i like the warm stuff so i'm hoping chuck is correct. >> john: i grew up in canada and the first place i moved to when i came to the united states was miami. so -- that will tell you where i am with that. all right. thanks for the forecast, we'll see who is right.

sandra, there would poor ol staten island chuck did not get dropped this week. >> sandra: it's going to get cold before it breaks up, and breaking news, my spring bulbs started popping out of the ground. i have to protect them. >> john: put little furry mittens or a touque over them. i'm john >> martha: good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. ahead on "the story," trey gowdy joins us on hunter biden's strategy around the laptop that republicans have vowed to get to the bottom of. first, vladimir putin making a major speech to his public for the first time since september, several months ago. russia says that they're at a decisive moment in this war. putin commemorating russia's victory against the nazis in