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thing. the pentagon briefing has begun, let's go there. >> the pentagon for a variety of reasons our normal call-in options will not be available, for those that have had to call in, we apologize. we will get it up as quickly as possible for reporting purposes and answer questions from the dod press desk. moving forward we'll look at ways to improve briefing operations and expect regular press briefings will resume in the press briefing room in middle to late may. we appreciate your patience and extend our thanks to department of air force for using airmen's hall for temporary briefing home. secretary austin returned yesterday from a productive series of meetings in the republic of korea in the philippines, the secretary and his counterpart reaffirmed

measures for deterrence on the korean peninsula, and pledge to closely cooperate regarding assets in the future, as well as further expand and bolster level and scale of combined exercises and training. in the philippines, secretary austin had his first meeting with secretary galvez, and reiterated commitment is iranclad, the secretary expressed appreciation for four new enhanced cooperation and secretary austin and secretary galvez noted key pillar of alliance cooperation and training exercises and interoperatability. department of defense announced new package of security assistance for ukraine, authorization of draw dlts down

of security assistance valued at $25 million and 1.75 billion in ukraine security assistance initiative funds. presidential drawdown is 31st drawdown of equipment for ukraine. in total, the u.s. committed $32 billion in security assi assistantance to ukraine and 29.3 billion since russia unprovoked and illegal invasion one year ago this month. today announcement includes air defense capabilities to help ukraine defend their people and armored vehicles and more equipment ukraine is using to effectively javelin anti-tank missile, ammunition and long-range rocket for u.s. provided high mars. additional information can be found on defense.gov. regarding the balloon, not much

new information to provide other than the north american aerospace defense command continue to monitor it closely. we will not get into specifics about the exact location, the balloon continues to move eastward is over the center of the continental united states. we assess the balloon does not present a threat to people on the ground at this time and we'll monitor and review options. secretary austin will host bilateral meeting in the pentagon with deputy prime minister of defense richard morrow to discuss defense cooperation and our mutual security efforts within the indo-pacific region and beyond, a full read-out will post to defense.gov. we'll move to questions and start with ap. >> china said this is a weather balloon that veered off course,

why is the pentagon convince this is a surveillance balloon? can you give us more on the status of the balloon? you said in central u.s., what state? do you have guidance for people as they see this balloon or try to photograph it or interfere with it? >> sure. thanks, so we are aware of the prc's statement, however, the fact is we know that it is a surveillance balloon and i will not be able to be more specific than that. we know that the balloon violated u.s. air space and international which is unacceptable and conveyed this to the prc, at multiple levels. in terms of specific locations, i will not be able to go into specific locations, other than to say moving eastward at this time. you had a follow-up? >> just a quick follow-up, as people start to see the balloon, do you have guidance, should they not try to interfere or

photograph? >> the balloon is assessed at 60's,000 feet, well above civilian air traffic or civilian air traffic would normally fly. certainly aware there are cameras civilian-owned commercial cameras that could spot this balloon in terms of guidance to folks. this is something norad is closely monitoring and do assess it does not pose a physical threat, as i mentioned, to people on the ground. leave it at that. jennifer. >> general ryder, who is controlling this balloon right now? >> again, we know that this is a chinese balloon, beyond that, i will not have specifics. >> you say moving eastward and over the continental u.s., it is not over montana anymore. is the chinese government controlling the movement of the balloon or floating with air streams? >> thanks, jennifer.

i will not go into specific intelligence that we may have, again, we know this is chinese balloon and it has the ability to maneuver, but i'll leave it at that. >> once it is over a body of water, will you shoot it down? >> again, right now we're monitoring the situation closely reviewing options, beyond that, i will not have additional information. tony. >> one quickie, can you confirm the photos this is not the man on the moon and that is the actual balloon? >> thanks, tony. certainly aware of photos posted online, i will not get into the business of confirming whether or not those are -- where those photos come from, the u.s. government is monitoring this closely and we will continue to review it. >> how close was the president to ordering a shoot-down of the balloon? >> yeah, so again, i will not get into discussions, internal

discussions within the white house. right now, we assess there is no threat physical threat or military threat to people on the ground. we are continuing to monitor and we'll leave it at that. thank you. jany and -- >> thank you, janet -- i have two -- okay. in response to secretary austin's recent remarks that more u.s. started -- with south korea, north korea was stronger provocations in the near future. what is your comment on this? >> well, certainly not surprising, given north korea track record of making the statements again. we are focused on preserving peace, security and security in the indo-pacific region. secretary austin visit was

opportunity to reaffirm close alliance with republic of korea and that will remain our focus, working with south korea and other nations in the region to deter aggression and ensure free and open indo-pacific. >> south korea has announced it will be test high-powered monster ballist ig ic missile -- this is defense against north korea nuclear warhead, how do you agree this? >> i'm sorry, i missed the first part of your question, can you repeat? >> south korea has announced it will test high-powered monster ballistic missile with the war nuclear warhead, this is -- >> i don't have anything on that. i'd refer you to government of

south korea. thank you. >> thank you very much, two questions on the chinese baknow loo. so there is statement that balloon flew over japanese airspace before reaching the u.s. continental u.s., can you confirm that? >> i've seen those press reports, we acknowledged in our statement that we posted last night, we have seen this type of balloon activity elsewhere before, but again, i'm not going to get into intelligence and i'll not have further information to provide. >> how will this incident affect the secretary future engagement with chinese counterpart to remain open communication. >> we are clear we have been open to open communication with the prc, and in that regard nothing has changed. thank you. to phil. >> the position of the balloon

classified? >> phil, right now what we're not going to do is get into an hour-by-hour location of the balloon, we're monitoring it closely. right now it is over the center of the continental united states, that is specific as i'll get. >> does the public not have a right to know? >> the public has ability to look up in the sky and see where the balloon is. thank you. >> general, you said balloon is maneuverable, so does that mean it is not drifting? >> so the balloon is maneuverable, clearly it is violated u.s. airspace and again, we communicated that fact to the prc. >> if possible, can you tell us if the balloon when it entered the u.s. airspace, has it is changed course in any way? >> the balloon has changed course, which is why we're monitoring, that is all i can

get. thank you. go to matt. >> you said at that point, the balloon doesn't pose any risk to citizens. how is it the u.s. can assess that given at altitude and not getting eyes on it and assessing the equipment onboard? secondly, any alternatives being considered to shooting it down or take this balloon out of the sky in tact to get a better look at that equipment? >> yeah, so again, this is a surveillance balloon, hovering, operating about 60,000 feet. clearly we did a very close assessment in terms of what it is doing and as i mentioned, military commanders have assessed there is no physical or military threat to people on the ground. and so in that regard, we'll continue to monitor. in terms of way ahead, we will continue to review options, i

will not have anything further to provide on that. thank you. ma'am? >> thank you, pat. you said that this is violated our airspace, so why not take it down? >> yeah, so clearly as we assess options and considering the size of the payload on this, looking at the potential for debris and the impact on civilians on the ground or property damage, again, running through the various factors and looking at in terms of does it pose a potential risk to people while in the air and right now, as i mentioned, we assessed it does not pose a risk to people on the ground as it is traversing continental united states, cognizant of potential impact to civilians on the grounl from a debris field, we'll continue to

monitor and review options. >> you mentioned we've seen this activity before, why are we sharing this one and why last night if you were following it a few days, is it a sign we should take ahead of china about lincoln's visit? >> in terms of any hypothetical about messaging from prc, i'd refer you to them on that front. i think what makes this different is the duration and length of which it has been over u.s. territory. beyond that, i'll not go into specifics. mike. >> thanks, pat. yesterday senior defense official said that the intelligence gathering capability would be no better than any chinese satellite in low earth orbit, why would beijing go through the trouble and expense to send this balloon on such a journey?

>> yeah, have to refer you back to prc on that. >> any opinion why? >> we're monitoring this, it violated international air space and international law, we communicated that to the government of china, again, i refer you back to china in terms of -- >> the pentagon is trying to figure this out itself, why they are bothering if it is offering no better intelligence gathering than from a satellite? >> yeah, again, that is a statement, not a question, so -- again, i'm not going to have anything, ma'am? >> yeah. go to her and then come back to nancy here. >> i was wondering any way the pentagon is able to gauge how long it could potential loiter comparing to balloons in the

past and how long do you anticipate it could? >> sure. so as i mentioned, we'll continue to monitor it, we assess it will probably be over the united states for a few days. but we'll continue to monitor and review our options and update you as we can. thank you. >> nancy here. >> general, i want to go back to a couple things you said, you said the u.s. is reviewing options, i'd like to, is the option of shooting down the balloon particularly as it is going over more populated areas off the table? is that still amongst options and under what circumstances? >> thanks, nancy. this stage, again, we're reviewing options and i will not go into more specifics.

more detailings on when it's happened over the continental u.s. or u.s. territory, is that something you take to provide more details about the extent these things happen? >> what i would tell you right now is that information is classified. i'm not able to provide it other than i can confirm that there have been other incidents where balloons did come close to or crossover u.s. territory. >> i want to reiterate something phil said, given it is not classified, i ask that you take questions we have more specifics on where it is given there is no clear security reason, by your own estimation in terms of keeping that information?

>> sure. absolutely, and again, we're just not going to get into an hour-by-hour where the balloon is, we'll do our best to keep you and the public informed in general terms on where the balloon is. and try to be helpful in that regard. >> guessing game where people think it is flying over, some -- >> understood, and a key point to make and to purposefully belabor the point which is as this bas loan traverses the continental united states, it does not pose a physical or military risk to people on the ground and we'll continue to monitor and review options and provide information and updates as we're able. jennifer. >> approaching washington, d.c., will you shoot it down? >> again, jennifer, we're reviewing options, i will not get into hypothetical or future action. back of the room and up to you.

>> thank you, general. thinking about the root of the balloon, was it impossible for the dod to deal with the balloon before it reach to the airspace of the united states? >> yeah, we've been monitoring the balloon. you know, we are aware again, it is maneuverable craft and we continue to assess and make appropriate decisions based on how we're going to address what we perceive as a potential threat or not. the safety and security of the american people is paramount and at this time we assess it does not pose a physical threat to people on the ground. we'll continue to monitor it and review options. thank you. to joe and this side of the room. >> so you said that this is the first time -- isn't first time we've seen a balloon fly over

the continental u.s., in the past, has it flown over other sensitive areas such as military bases? you haven't been very specific, just continental u.s.? >> i appreciate it, i haven't been more specific because that information and classified and i'm not able to talk about it. thank you. >> the canadian defense minister said they were tracking a second potential spy balloon, are you tracking a second incident? when the balloon was coming, what i'm confused about, when were there discussions to shoot down the balloon, were there discussions when it was not over the united states and potentially over international water or discussions only when it entered u.s. airspace? >> your first question, we are tracking one balloon. in regard to statements by canada, i refer you back to them on that. in terms of the discussions about whether or not to shoot

down this balloon, that was an option, and so that was something that was taken into consideration. again, because we assess currently it does not pose a military risk to people on the ground, we continue to monitor and review options. thank you. >> back to ely and up here. >> thank you. how big is the balloon that you're tracking? is it -- have you picked up, is it leaving anything in its wake like sensors? >> so on your latter question, i'll not get into intelligence, we do continue to monitor the balloon and know it is surveillance balloon. in terms of the size, i'm not able to get into the specifics other than to say it is big enough that again, in reviewing our approach, we do recognize that any potential debris field

would be significant and potentially cause civilian injuries ore deaths or significant property damage. this is part of the calculus in terms of our overall assessment, we will monitor and keep you updated as available. here and here. >> thank you. following up on the balloon question. do you conversation with chinese have they indicated to you what is inside the balloon to prove the point it is a civilian balloon and does that assessment differ from your assessment what is inside the balloon and what it is trying to do? secondly, this week india and u.s. launched initiative on emerging technology, quite a bit of defense component in it. how will it strengthen and build your relationship with india? >> sure, your second question, i will take that, i don't have information in front of me.

first question, i appreciate it, we have contacted the prc, i will not get into their reaction, i refer you to them for that. we clearly communicated this balloon is valating u.s. airspace and international law and this is unacceptable. thank you. >> over here and here. >> thank you, sir. is the pentagon looking at any possibility of altering the course of the balloon, taken to location to shoot it down in a rural area? >> monitoring and reviewing options, i will not go into specifics. sir? >> this is surveillance balloon, as you said, does it have ability to collect sensitive data given it flies over nuclear sites in the state of montana? >> yeah, i will not get into intelligence, as we mentioned in our statement, poses physical or

military threat to people on the ground. thank you. joe. >> ukraine question. the small diameter bomb in the latest ukraine aid package has potential to target crimea, is that the intent now? >> thanks for the question. yes, as part of the usai package, we will provide ground launch small diameter bombs to ukraine. this gives them longer range

capability, long-range fire capability that will enable them to conduct operations in defense of their country and take back their sovereign territory and russian occupied areas. when it comes to ukrainians plans on operations, clearly that is their decision, i will not talk about or speculate about future operations, we've been working with them to provide them with capabilities that will enable them to be effective on the battlefield. >> follow-up to that, can you talk specifically about this particular group of capabilities, how are they tailored to what is happening in ukraine now? for instance, equipment that connects various air defense systems, can you speak to why the specific package now? >> sure. so again, it is important to look at this from an evolution standpoint in terms of adapting to conditions on the ground.

we've been focused on several key areas in the last few months to support ukraine, air defense capabilitieses, armor capabilities, long-range fires capabilities and then combined with training in order to enable them to have the ability to conduct combined arms. looking at things like further enhancing integrated air defense, which i think everyone continues to watch with horror as russia conducts aerial bombardment on civilian targets throughout actor, working in those areas. also through the combined arms training enabling them to be able to change the equation on the frontlines, defend their territory and take back sovereign territory. thank you. >> within the announcement, there is one line says precision guided rockets, is that the -- >> that is the ground launch small diameter bomb.

okay. >> just going back to the ukraine package, can you talk about integrating the air defense systems, all systems sent by different nato partners and how do you integrate those with systems the ukraine already has? >> yeah, without going into operationally sensitive matters, broadly speaking, so couple of things. it is important to recognize ukrainians have done a fairly remarkable job of protecting employing air defense capabilities they have, we recognize they take these new pieces and parts and integrate into the system, continued support is required, we consult with ukrainians and international allies and partners how to best integrate

the systems, that is ongoing work, they have been doing remarkable job of intercepting russian missile and drones. time for a couple more. >> two questions on the balloon, maneuver ablts, can it maneuver up and down and laterally and change altitude? in terms of tracking, how are you tracking this? radar, aircraft? is it continuous tracking or intermittent than that? >> beyond saying we are continuously tracking the balloon i'm not going into the specifics in terms of how we track other than to say we have multiple means at our disposal to do that. in terms of specifics on the balloon, i'm not going to get into intelligence, other than it is maneuverable and leave it at that. >> two more questions. >> the chinese, you said it changed course, following your disclosure of presence over the united states?

and secondly, is the, to the point about capabilities, how is it powered? how is it moving? how does it maneuverable? >> thanks, phil. on your latter question, i'll not get into intelligence, it is balloon with payload underneath it. leave it at that. what's that? it has a large payload underneath surveillance component under the actual balloon piece of it. so leave it at that. and then in terms of the maneuverability, again, all i can say is this point, it is moving eastward across the united states currently over the central united states. >> i don't have that information. yep.

>> would pose threat to -- >> there is a -- it is surveillance balloon, so there is a surveillance capability underneath this large balloon, right? a blimp has a basket, right? there is a basket underneath it, in layman's terms. large enough to be concerning, if there were debris field. all right, last question. >> any -- communication with china with respect to the balloon? >>en ga, we've communicated at multiple levels and leave it at that. >> is it -- is it ammunition? >> it is surveillance balloon, again, does not pose a physical or military risk to people on the ground. >> what is payload, engine -- >> i can't go into more detail. thank you very much, everybody.

appreciate it. >> well, i wonder if that balloon has as much hot air as we just got. mark meredith live at it is white house with more. it was frustrating to learn something violated our airspace and international law and that is all they want to tell us and it's been days of them watching this. >> looks like that balloon will be around for a couple days to come. you mentioned, this is first time the pentagon made it clear this is violation of u.s. international law and they do see this as intentional move by the chinese. it was fascinating, just the chinese foreign ministry saying this was a weather balloon and something they were using for meteorologistior purposes, they are taking this very seriously. watching live in this briefing

from reporters asking where the balloon, the pentagon making it clear, they know where it is and moving eastward and they'll not give an hour-by-hour update, but for a lot of people over the continental u.s., they want to know if it is above them now. the pentagon is describing it as fairly large balloon, nowhere near where commercial air traffic is, it is above u.s. aircraft will be flying, question of what intent was of chinese to send this balloon over north america, given secretary of state was just set to go over there, now that trip is postponed. what will the response be? president biden is getting hammered by lawmakers who are demanding to know why they didn't learn about this earlier and how does the u.s. ensure this will not happen again and will this balloon be taken down, shot down issue brought down? our colleague, jennifer griffin,

asked great questions about why is the balloon moving east? maneuvering on its own, sent off course? one question that is still out there. the pentagon not answering every question out there, for them making it clear they see it as violation, this was intentional and will be around for next couple days is fascinating story that will not go away. president biden did not take questions on the balloon or china this morning, talking about jobs report and reporters including yours truly shouting questions and hoping he will talk about it in 40 minutes when he heads to philly. a lot of questions about what this means about u.s. foreign policy toward china. >> he wasn't asked about the law and space, he volunteered that, the question that mattered, where is this now? he didn't say it wasn't going up or down and g-6 does fly 51,000 feet, it is capable of military

planes that can go far above that. hope we have something watching it. i want to know how they are watching and how we're poised to take it out if and when we have to. jennifer griffin did a great job. i hope we get 99,000 bites of this upon ael. thank you. let's bring in the panel here, today my co-host emily compagno, she loves space and joining us kennedy, political scientist lawrence and jimmy failla. he hosts "fox across america" on fox news radio. glad you all are here. we're all wearing shades of red for today, crimeson in some cases for national wear red day to bring greater attention to

heart disease and so we -- >> it is a substantive threat of some kind, size of three buses, it's too big to shoot down without risk of hurting people. which is it? significant enough to consider that action or is it something entirely different, not a big deal? i don't think americans will accept this. >> so jimmy, you were looking at what is on the east coast or in this direction away from the

nuclear weapon facility this thing has flown over in montana. there are maybe things china might want to take a look at. >> jimmy: absolutely, and so much we don't know in terms of the motivation, what we do know, this is so brazenly disrespectful to the people in charge of this government right now and we know it is disrespectful because not just fact they lied about it being here, they lied about it being a weather balloon that just happened to have blown here by going off course, that is disrespectful lie. i'm not trying to trivialize this, but if jenny finds me in a bar and i say weather brought me offcourse, i am disrespecting my wife. >> why do you think they are doing it? >> in baseball, if you have a catcher with a weak arm, everybody tries to steal bases on him, we're perceived having a weak arm in post-afghanistan arm.

-- -- bunch of hot air balloons and encircle it and you bring it down lower to the earth and it lains on space-x cushion, we've seen heavy giant things from space land safely in the water or on land that are sparsely populated and let's see what is in the payload, what they are working with, is there honey inside, honey pot? no one really knows.

>> what is fascinating about what kennedy just said, emily, there were six questions about how does it maneuver ability, that is important, are you chasing something if you go it, talk about payload? how much energy does it have? all of that. can we maneuver it? can we push it? can we drive it? is it digitally hackable? i'm thinking of ways we could take control. you are right, this makes us look really weak. >> that is right, such great questions, i wish we would have heard that, not sure if the general would have answered this answer.

-- american citizens and property, i want to know if our government communicated to xi it is unacceptable and they have two minutes to get it out of our airspace before we respond in kind times 10. remember secretary mike pompeo created entire department of justice program that was had full intent ask execution and resources against identifying and being clear china was an enemy in all aspects on military bases, intellectual propers,

commerce and more. what happens instant joe biden takes the president's mantel? that program was dismantled and what happens two minutes later? weak arm of the picture and china has now violated our air space, congressman michael waltz, who will join us this hour, called it an assault, that is what it is and i pray to god we respond in kind at least with -- >> what would china do if we were floating a balloon over china? >> exactly. they wouldn't hesitate and none of the flimsy excuses, so sorry, we were just checking out waves over the pacific and it blew into your airspace. >> they do not care if their balloon falls on a bunch of people. look at the human rights violations going on there. >> we anticipated it coming from japan, if what we learned today, allegedly over japan it had to

cross water before it got to the continental u.s. below, what was the military doing while it was tracking over water and i wonder if the threat was decreased taking care of it at that moment? we know what happens when unidentified or foreign aircraft enters dc space, new york city airspace if the president is below, why don't american citizens gets the same response, level of urgency. so many questions for this administration, hope they step up. >> doing great job asking questions at the pentagon briefing, jennifer griffin joins us now, i can't wait to get into, we have gored an chang joining us, get into the times this representative at the pentagon could not answer and i understand things are classified. you were in the room, basic things should have been shared

with the american people, what were you dying to get an answer to? >> i tried as many questions as possible. >> you did great. >> the main takeaway is that this satellite balloon, this spy balloon is moving eastward across the continental united states. it is maneuverable, we're told, thatten moos someone is controlling it. there is also some degree of wind that is moving it eastward, the real question is, right now we've been given assurances it poses no threat to anyone on the ground and it is not capable of surveilling as it goes. what happens when it gets continues over population centers, what if something goes wrong, it is described as having payload of heavy equipment underneath. a lot of questions frustrating

not to get on the record answers, somewhat understandable, this is a spy balloon, a lot of information is classified and the u.s. government doesn't want to give away what it knows and how it knows it, they are walking this difficult line. it is i think the most interesting thing that i've learned in the last 24 hours, there was serious consideration about shooting the balloon down, it is not just a balloon, it is the size of two to three buses and has heavy equipment underneath and it may have been over montana, sparsely populated issue the consideration what happens if this lands on a school or population center, they couldn't mitigate that and because of the height, it would be coming down at merioric speed and they couldn't take that chance. >> we were talking here on the

couch and it was interesting, as questions being asked about maneuverability, what looks like it has flown over, nuclear weapons facility in montana and jimmy failla was looking at indian point, new york, other facilities as you come east, we don't know the goal of the chinese government is in this instance, we know what they have already accomplished potentially and if they are here on reconnaissance mission, they are learning more -- we don't know what we don't know. we know what stands between that object and the east coast. we know real state and there are things we wish they wouldn't take that close a look at. >> what i have been given assurances, you have u.s. cyber command and things they don't like to talk about, soon as they

began tracking this balloon and been tracking it several days now, i'm told they began to mitigate ability of that craft to be able to gather information, surveill the sites in montana where the nuclear silos are and so they feel pretty confident that this spycraft is not necessarily able to continue gathering information and so they won't say how they know that or how they are managing to control that. i think what was interesting, i asked who is controlling this balloon at this point and there was no clear answer. it is quite clear the fact they said maneuverable, there is still some chinese control over this. so again, there are many things we don't know about what the u.s. government has many capabilities, but it is certainly concerning, certainly concerning the chinese would be

this brazen, particularly on the eve of the secretary of state's visit to beijing, which has now been called off. it is definitely escalation and being taken very seriously and it will be very interesting in the coming days as it moves eastward, there is possibility it will be over a body of water at some point and i'm told there are many options on the table. >> jennifer, to that end and the point harris was making surveillance might not pose a military or physical threat to citizens of the united states, surveillance gathering against and violating our u.s. airspace and against our policy is in furtherance of chinese interest at the sacrifice of our sovereignty. to me, doesn't this convey an act of violence in some regard to the united states and therefore when you discuss the lengths the military has gone to

protect against surveillance capabilitieses, that seems like a defensive move, what have you heard about potential for offensive moves by the united states to show how unacceptable this is? >> it is interesting, emily, this is clearly violation of u.s. sovereignty, we heard the pentagon official say that. what is interesting to me, having followed this for sometime is where is the similar outrage to the chinese cyber intrusions, the chinese learning far more in being embedded in our all of our government agencies and cybernetworks and the things they have stolen over time from omb and other places they have tremendous amount of ability to spy sensitive sites and public should be aware that has been happening for years. we can see this balloon and it is polpable and concrete and we should be talking about cyber

intrusion and theft of intellectual properties, largest in the history of the world that china has been certainly doing undeterred for quite sometime. >> jennifer, it is kennedy. to that point, i wonder if this is some sort of diversion, seem like a pretty low-tech apparatus and nothe terribly common and chinese spying tends to happen with lower orbit satellites. can you speak to that? >> lower orbit satellites and cyber, was this a effort to get more information about nuclear sites? possible. it could be something that really they got caught, they thought they could get away with it. it could be something they knew would be seen and could be a testing mechanism to either embarrass the biden administration or create, somewhat unusual to hear chinese

foreign ministry admit regret and essentially apologize for this, they of course say it was mistake and weather even that caused this civilian aircraft, that is not true, the pentagon says it is not true. very -- this is really why the tensions with china, they are serious and this is a diplomatic and military problem and there are real consequences to shooting down a spy plane or a spy balloon like this. >> consequences to our own people, i don't think there would be any for china. we haven't had any yet. we have states saying they will take everybody offline and the other biggest spy they are doing through tiktok. but federal government is taking employees off and i don't know they are looking out for the rest of us on that spy grab.

jennifer, fantastic to have you on, thank you very much. we'll bring you back. we'll bring in our first guest, but i want to ask you, lauren, you are new to us. should we be hearing from the president now? we will not get much from the pentagon and that fireside chat, hold my hand stuff, sometimes it is good when there is a big thing in the sky. >> lauren: yes, we should hear from the president and i'm sure reporters will continue to demand to hear from the president and as jimmy was saying, it is not subtle. is this evidence of increased chinese wrecklessness. do we have bigger eye toward taiwan and really worried about that impending conflict? that is the big question, what is the administration thinking when releasing limitted, careful information? is it just about safety or are they looking forward to five or

10 years down the line and they are worried about provoking a huge conflict? >> maybe something bigger than a minor incursion. this is the first president -- well, trump was the first presidency in the 21st that didn't see russia invade anyone, this president continues that. quick question before our next guest. i'm curious, why do you think the president at this point hasn't said anything? i ask you as the democratic guest, what is the strategy? it took him two months to communicate about his diabolical looking, we don't know what is going to happen in the classified documents scandal. >> i'm a life-long republican, here i'm more like a democrat, i don't understand this other than it is very early on. the administration might be

getting its stuff together and we'll from them later, only guess i have. >> let's bring in gordon chang. gordon, our guest, lauren issue just brought up an important point about the calculations now, china would love to take taiwan, how does this figure into that situation? >> i think really what the chinese are doing is trying to measure our reactions. what they are seeing is clear violation of our sovereignty, also an act of war and we're not doing anything about it and not imposing cost on china, even though we know they are surveilling us. this is arrogance of the chinese leaders, jimmy talked about arrogance. the chinese probably think they can do whatever they want and the united states will not respond. i'm not saying that is a correct assessment of the situation,

what is correct is irrelevant, what is important is what the chinese are thinking and we are acting feebly with regard to the balloon. >> go ahead. >> that is exactly right, mr. gordon chang, what do you predict will be said when and if president biden makes a public statement? >> i think he probably will say condemn this move, but probably won't do anything substantive. i'm glad they are not sending the secretary of state to beijing, if biden want to impose cost, first thing ask blinken to go to tapai instead. right now we've seen throughout this administration, china has been making statement after statement we are not deterring

them. we need to take them at their word and take those actions that shows china that we will deter them through what we do. we're far stronger society than china, we're acting far weaker and the chinese look at political will as most important thing, not tank for tank or plane for plane. >> gordon chang, we appreciate your time and clarity on the biggest topics, thank you. we'll be back in a moment. on the shelf like a porcelain doll. but one out of two women over 50 will suffer a fracture from osteoporosis. you should know you can build new bone with evenity® for postmenopausal women with osteoporosis at high risk for fracture. ask your doctor if you can do more than just slowing down bone loss with evenity®. want stronger bones? then build new bone; evenity® can help in just 12 months. evenity® is proven to reduce spine fracture risk by 73%.

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strong move to the hoop. listen, i'm frustrated here. the issue, we were told, well, we have been able to mitigate its ability to continue to spy. but how do we know that, whose word is that based on and what world would you take china's word on anything? for my money, it has to be stopped one way -- at this point say to china we are shooting it down, or we need some type of acertainable. >> why do we have to ask permission from anything from china? >> mike pompeo said when we realized ccp was spying in houston, shut it down. weakness is provocative, shoot down the balloon safely and demand answers from xi. there you go. >> big picture, the nightmare is taiwan, and this is what a lot of my colleagues talk about, we expanded nato alliances after the cold war and it's very difficult to defend these places

where we have no military presence, and so how do you stand up to china ultimately without threatening nuclear warfare? what options do we have? >> when you have a sovereign interest, defending them -- what about defending us in this moment? look forward to that. >> look at the southern border. our sovereignty gets punched every hour of every day. >> we look weak. >> under this administration. >> "america reports" now. >> you give him permission to steal your money? >> no. >> after june 7th, did his account run to negative $347,000? >> yes, sir. >> and the bank kept paying. >> yes, sir. >> perhaps the most generous overdraft policy ever seen. >> quite possibly. >> john: fox news alert, prosecutors in the alec murdaugh trial unveiling evidence of the dire financial state the disbarred attorney was in when he allegedly murdered his wife

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