♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. rachel: yoga works.com/pink. redoing our yoga moves come on guys. but you have to pose and start here because yoga meets you where you are at whatever level of surgery, recovery. rachel: by everybody. >> i made clear the presence of the surveillance blur in u.s. airspace is a clear violation of u.s. sovereignty and international law. >> it has violated u.s. airspace. it is violated international law. we have communicated that back to the government of china. we ss it will probably be over the united states for a few days. >> why was it ever allowed into our airspace and the first place? we have the capabilities, never should have happened.

>> should not allow this to leave the united states without it being taken into custody or shot down or whatever other appropriate steps we can take. neil: it is all anyone is talking about these days but fox on top of that chinese spy blue still flying over the top of the nine states of america. now, here's what we know. it was last seen over north carolina. it appears to be headed east. the defense department continues tracking it. said all options remain on the table to deal with it while insisting americans on the ground have nothing to worry by it. pentagon also confirming a second chinese balloon is flying over latin america. we do not know much about that one. here's what we still don't know, when exactly did the u.s. first start tracking this balloon? and why was it allowed to enter our airspace and the first place? what intel are the chinese gathering from it? why did secretary saint antony

blinken wait until yesterday to cancel his trip to china if the administration was aware of this for days prior? just some of the questions we will be raising today but with former defense secretary under president trump mark esper former defense secretary under president barack obama check in the republican chair of the house, and security committee mark green. as we'll see top democrat on the house armed services committee. welcome everyone i am neil cavuto. something gets weirder and weirder by the day and the minute as i told you this balloon right now it not that far from the atlantic ocean and then what? let's go to alexandria hoff of the ladies from washington. >> hi good to be with you. let's talk about the second one for a moment. u.s. officials confirming a second chinese surveillance has been spotted over latin america does not appear to be headed into the united states as of right now but as for the one in our airspace their weather models have predicted it could

arrive in the carolinas as early as today. it appears that has happened pearlescent reports put it over western kentucky it is traveling the entire width of the united states. flying at 67000 feet that's higher than most u.s. warplanes can fly per u.s. believes along the way it's actually change course. >> is the chinese government controlling the movement of the balloon? or is it just floating with air streams? >> we know this is a chinese balloon and it has the ability to maneuver. but i will just leave it at that. >> it is doing more than just floating for u.s. officials of all social fox news jennifer griffin mitigated the bulletins to gather data from sensitive sites since entering the united states by way of alaska that was spot in montana. it is maneuvered over several military bases in montana for one, for a larger portion of the u.s. nuclear arsenal is captured as for shooting it down, that is still on the table. perhaps when it gets to be overwater the risk of heavy

debris injuring officials on ground to the president was advised against it. the pentagon also not buying them chinese apology on claim this is a civilian weather balloon that is blown off course. china is standing by it. therefore in ministry adding this today quote we have no intention to violate fun has never violent the territory airspace of any sovereign country. some politicians and media in the u.s. have hyped it up to attack and smear china. a course consecutive state entity blinken has scrapped it would've been a diplomatic trip to china this weekend. will: what does not at up to that is you argued the administration had known about this for days. the trip that blinken was to take to china for days only scrapped yesterday. the timing of that is weird for it if you knew about this of course you would have at least at face value considered stopping that trip sooner. >> that is right that's a very interesting points. try not respond to this tripping

scrapped saying essentially this is a trip you wanted we did not want you here anyway. i don't how correct that was. neil: you're not invited but now you're not coming. i want to go to lucas tomlinson right out the white house. the president has had precious little or anything on this as of yet. >> that is right. back to not shooting down many people wonder why it was traveling over the aleutian islands over alaska. but it was not shot down then a lot of questions they are. you are right here at the white house present by did not want to talk about the chinese spy balloon he just wanted to tout the strong economic numbers in your jobs report nothing on the chinese spy balloon. >> mr. president went and how will you remove the balloon mr. president? >> a chinese spy balloon had been floating high above montana home of one of the air force's three bases that have minuteman

nuclear silos for the same kind of silos he chinese are now building in its own country to ramp up the nuclear forces to stockpile is expected to double in the next decade. we have reports a blueness flying over fairview, north carolina outside of asheville. i don't think it is a furniture shopping. the chinese spy balloon keeps heading east or u.s. military operating areas off the coast of the u.s. in that area it is a large op. life has for others. this is the latest chapter in a long history of spying between these nations. recall the ep three collided with the fire had back in 2001. back in 2016 the pentagon is stealing a drone used by the u.s. navy. just over a month ago a chinese fighter jet came within 10 feet of u.s. spy plane flying the south china sea is for you see here collecting information from chinese radars and other electronic signatures. asked how long the chinese spy balloon stair of the u.s. the pentagon refused to give an

exact number. >> will continue monitoring we assessed it be over the united states for a few days. >> and that means is chinese spy balloon could still be over the country when present invited makes a state of the union address on tuesday. neil: thank you lucas for that. lucas tomlinson for the former secretary of defense under donald trump, secretary very good to have a thank you for taking the time. let me ask you first on the reluctance on part of the administration to shoot this down. there might be a number of reasons including fear of harming or hurting people on the ground, your thoughts? >> i think it is a fair decision if you will to not shoot it down over populated areas out of fear of hurting someone or severely damaging property pretty have to back up to a few days before then. the question is when did the pentagon know is entering our airspace? i'm confident we knew soon enough once across into the

airspace we could've shot it down over open water. we could've shot it down over very dense sparse parts of alaska permission to shut it down then. it leads me too believe possibly political decision was made by the white house not to do so for fear of interrupting their relationship with china. that is troubling if that is indeed the case. spinning we do not know much other than its over north carolina skies right now. which i would assume the eastward path continues it's not that far from open water, the atlantic ocean. then what? >> if i've been saying last 24 hours or so we should find a way to bring it down so we can capture the equipment, delete forensics on it, understand exactly with the capabilities of the instrumentation wasn't here to give some insights with regard to what they were looking for and whether they were looking for air sending signals, taking pictures, whatever the case may be. that may gave us an insight of the capabilities they don't have

with regard to their satellite. now barring that i would shoot it down. partly again to send a message to china we can recover whatever debris in the ocean that would give us more insights into what they're doing and why. neil: i understand these type of balloon systems have been used in the past by the chinese for example over south korea, over japan. for all i know here in this country as well. it's even cited, secretary happened during the trump administration. can you explain are they right about that? >> i have no recollection of that ever happening during the trump administration. we were very focused on china. my top priority is implementing a national defense strategy that said china was our top strategic threat in the century. until i did a lot to really reorient the pentagon, and dod toward china. we are keen on everything china.

i checked with a few of my close associates during my time in office. nobody recall that either. i don't know where that's coming from. i think that should be a question of congressional overseers. >> you know, secretary of no expert on bones of any sort. what i have been told by a lot of folks here is this was a very different beast a much larger feast than the typical weather balloons. i believe we have a graphic here that might illustrate the points but if it's assumed to be as white as three buses, three city buses whatever you want to say. that would make it about 120 feet long. it is 20 feet wide. this is six times the width of a typical weather balloon. it is also flying higher than a lot of weather balloons to say nothing of a balloons. say nothing of commercial aircraft. it's almost double the altitude of that. there are a lot of people in fear there is a balloon gap being seen the chinese have the

technology spying notwithstanding goes way beyond ours, when you make of that? >> is clearly not a weather balloon. the pentagon said that definitively yesterday the size and everything of the balloon is probably do most of the fact it has to carry a large payload at heavy payload of the sensors and other cameras, you name it we need to know again what that is. but look, the nine states and military's arrow stats in the past to local surveillance in afghanistan and whatnot. we've a lot of other capabilities we do not need to fly high altitude balloons around the world. this is what makes it all the mercury's the chinese would do this they would do this now. they would do it so visibly. i think they are sending a political message which is why we need to push back. we need to stand up aggressively resolutely until the chinese this will not be tolerated and really strike a strong pose. >> do you think the chinese

aren't hiding this they meant to show us this. they meant to show us that they can do this and they mentioned to embarrass us. >> maybe so. if you peel back the onion i gets a little more interesting for this is what china watchers in the united states will have to do. did xi jinping know about this? was it the people's liberation army acting independently? that is happened in the past to make a cause for concern maybe there is some discontent between the military and the political leadership in the chinese communist party. i think that is something we're going to have to dig deeper to into the coming days and weeks have a really curious to find out what decision was made within the beijing in the chinese communist party. what did they know and when? >> good questions. secretary thank you very much and for your to this country s sir. mark esper the formula secretary of defense under donald trump and is going to go to congressman right now the texas republican who sits on the homeland security committee a crucial committee especially

when it comes to getting to the bottom of this. congressman i want to follow-up on what it raised with the defense secretary. that is china really doesn't care if we found out about this. maybe it was intentional. they do not care about our reaction you think? >> thanks for having me on. i think you are right. you can look back two years president biden's failure in the united states. the response that matters right now is the strength. it really don't care. this is less about us in our spot look at the failed border policies look at this in the loan limit and it crosses on the sovereign airspace the sovereign territory of the united states needs to be dealt with. were going to have 22 pilot in my previous career is been reported but protecting the

borders and sending a message of weakness to infiltrate our board as well as our physical borders whether it is the airspace of think about tiktok on the other chinese apps that are millions of americans homes spying on america's gathering of data per this is a concerning thing the policies of weakness are extremely concerning they are very telling to the rest of the world that would also do this in the adversary we would have they contest us. >> were quickly through the present has yet to say a word on this. what do you want to hear? >> have to your strength. unequivocably it is not okay to violate the sovereign airspace. this is going to be dealt with we failed to that time and time again that's when your national policymakers to do. is what congress quite wrinkly will be demanding oversight on why they failed to do that.

we'll be busy with this and so many other matters we appreciate taken the time on the saturday. with both chronic at democratic republican, intelligence leaders and defense officials of the next hour and 45 minutes but also on monday we have leon joining us the montana governor james clyburn the democratic very close confident of the president and the impact of allt this, afte ar this. a bank of am. how do i do it all? with a little help. and to support my family's immune health, i choose airborne. unlike some others, airborne gives you vitamin c and so much more. it's an 8 in 1 immune support formula. airborne. do more.

neil: skies of charlotte, north carolina for this appears to be the chinese weather balloon in that's clearly not just a weather balloon it's a lot more it is at 60000 feet at 60000 feet you are roughly at about 69 degrees below zero. that is warm compared in new hampshire where we told you it is over 110 degrees with the

windchill below zero. he's been felling up on it. he is a nonstop box weather machine joins us right now, craig tell me when this ends? you really feel this weather when you step out the door. >> it is that whether that slaps you in the face, right? the wind look at this it extends over a good chunk of the lower 48. 171 million americans experiencing temperatures it feels like temperature below 32 degrees. we look at the numbers you're trying my air temperature and wind, 688,000 americans are feeling colder than a negative 30. most of us right across the northeast. gusty winds in place take a look at this up at 6200 feet above sea level you talk about it earlier. it feels like at negative 79 for the winds have been howling 100 miles per hour or so.

got down to a feels like temperature of 108 below. negative 81. he put that in perspective for you, right? five minutes is all it will take to get frostbite if you are in places in maine and that wind coming through boston setting a record and fax records following all over the place this morning. the air temperatures drop to negative 10. it is the coldest temperatures have experienced when you factor in the wind it is the coldest windchill they have experienced ever on record feeling more like negative 79 in boston. for the next 24 hours how about that 286 by the time we get into early tomorrow morning. twenty-six normal it would be cold, right? compared to what we're seeing right now would be a welcome change. high for the day today 28 new york, bangor, maine at six syracuse at 21 that is the air temperature pretty factor in the wind it's going to feel cooler than that.

tomorrow morning things start to moderate. that cold air that is coming off of the polar vortex will stick to get out of here. it is the tight when wrapping around the northern pole to get pulled back up an area of high pressure starts to move in. we'll see temperatures moderate and neil, next week will be above average except on the west coast. neil: the subplot on your part to get us all sick. it is crazy stuff reciting bright and early this morning you are doing this on "fox weather" and here for us. we appreciate it. >> i love being with you all thank you. >> we appreciate it thank you and all that. meanwhile getting to a place where it's a little warmer. all of the top and not talk about the governor, and talk all that presidential buzz after this. (vo) yep! right now, get iphone 14 pro, and apple watch se, on us.

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neil: skies you might have a shot at catching this chinese weather balloon. it seems more like a spy balloon. wherever you stand on this issue, pretty clear to see these are images were getting over the skies of charlotte, north carolina. which means it's a last that you get to before you are at war, forget the atlantic ocean. is that when you take this thing out if you want to take it out no one seems to know for sure. we are monitoring is present it is big we are told that is the reason why no one was looking to shoot it down. you're not in the straight skinny on all of that. who am i to judge? meanwhile or take a look at political developments right n now. all the buzz of a certain floridian with presidential ambitions. i know what you're thinking governor ron desantis.

but, this actually concerns a certain mayor of miami, take a look. pheasant just came back from washington i spent four days without seeing the sun. and i kept thinking to myself there's only one job in america that would make me want to stay here long term. [laughter] you guys can figure out that is. what. neil: i assume your time at the one place you could be as the white house that would put up with all that washington nonsense comes out your thi thinking? >> i'm strongly considering running for something i have discussed with my family, my family is on board. sweet hand rub it in my nose with that backdrop of 80 degrees miami behind and that this office can you imagine? rather than that office. again karl rove best-selling author, fox news contributor briley on all things political and much more. carl, he gets latest buzz i note

george wilson talk to him as a rising star again in his mid- 40s. the same agency florida gov governor. he could just be the latest buzz is going to be a lot of buzzn tf a big city made it into a magnea tech center. he is well-liked by his fellow governors actually mayors on the country and u.s. conference of mayors. he is interested. we'll see how far that goes. hard to go in the last serious presidential candidate who was a mayor and made it into the sweepstakes. >> there were a couple presidents who work early in their careers. no one has ascended from being a mayor right to president, right? >> ob historic first. >> the last one to go there relatively quick terms wasn't grover cleveland was the mayor of buffalo for a year, governor

of new york for two years and president of the nine states immediately thereafter. neil: he served as to terms. let me ask a little bit about that. that brings up donald trump he wants to essentially do the grover cleveland thing, get back into the white house served two terms not concurrent ones. he's going to have a lot of competition, isn't he? it might served it is a benefit as he did a crowded feeling 2016. what do you think? >> if its 17 candidates going to serve to his advantage quite well. but if by the end of the year we have four or five significant candidates and everyone else thought about is in or out of the race are clearly not seriously in the running, then it is going to be a problem. he is going to be capped out. 31% of republicans in a survey from usa today in december said they wanted him to run again. 47% at that point said they might vote for him. but when you only have 31 people saying i prefer that you run it

shows the cap he might have. he is behind in polls and some these early states admittedly. it is very early but if you are behind in a place like florida it was a ron desantis are behind ron desantis in new hampshire it's a sign there is a cap on the top of your support. the more the merrier in the field, but we've got plenty of time for the field to grow and then begin i doubt were going up anywhere close to 17 candidates we had of the stages in august, september, october of 2015. neil: i remember there being two debates at the debates able to can is not pulling as well it was bizarre. carl and like to talk a little bit about what is happening with this chinese balloon. you've often reminded me whenever we obsess about at the moment certainly does not have to carry out to the general election that is still two years away. less then a year away by the primaries of course.

what do you think of this one? the growing rage and anger in china may be the way we are handling it now. giving the americans any real details at least from the white house. >> moments like this help add to or create impressions that may last. the withdrawal from kabul, marked the united states as a week on the international stage. i think this reinforces that. think of that it's loitering over alaska making its way down over canada nothing to announce or to cancel the trip to secretary states trip until yesterday. i will add to the sense they're not strong on the international stage why did they let this balloon go this far? i thought mark esper made a very critical points. the chinese may not have known

about this. there's often been a disconnect between the chinese and political leadership, judging peeing and the pla the people's liberation army with the military army sometimes doing things it's not exactly clear -- make us clear the the best interest of china. but it's not exactly clear at the chinese leadership said yes, this is a time to send a balloon over the united states. this is not going to serve the chinese in any way, shape, form any good and making for better relationship with the united states. now maybe they don't care but i think mark esper put his finger on something. this is goodman summing the military establishment think we do not need to check were going to do this as a provocation with the united states. >> it is what it is what it now it looks like is a provocation in the united states looks like week coming to the table but we better get that thing down out of the skies as soon as it's over the atlantic and make every effort to retrieve that the

capabilities of that so-called weather balloon. >> got it. always good to see you my friend carl in texas on these developments. meantime taking a look at the startling jobs a figure for diseconomies a piece of work. president responded yesterday with that report. yes it is a lot of work for a lot of folks when you whining about? after this.

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neil: 3.4% that's the unemployment rate right now it's cap back to the early days of richard connection when he was president 1969, same year he went to the moon neil armstrong landed on the moon walked on the moon and one small step for man, of course you remember all that. that's the last time had a jobless rate does blow. five and 17 more jobs added to the economy. this time good news was treated as good news but to a point the market sought a very good week helping may be goldilocks number because it did not show a lot of inflation, will get into that later. it's a perfect tonic and a statement on this economy for the president might have a talk about the balloon but he sure was talking about this. edward lawrence in washington more and the impact of this, edward. quick to talk about walking on the moon the unemployment rate two months before neil armstrong walked on the well before you

were born i'm sure, neil put this report had yearly revisions based on new census data. it is a little bit skewed but it does show solid growth which adds fuel to the federal reserve to keep raising interest rates this year. so here's what san francisco federal reserve mary daly told me an exclusive interview yesterday, listen. >> we knew the labor market was strong, has been strong despite the fact the economy overall has been slowing for the direction of policy is for additional tightening and holding that restrictive stance for some time. >> you seat where the jobs are in this report. overall the economy added back all of the jobs lost in the pandemic industry 2.7 jobs president joe biden taking credit for that huge jobs in number. but refuses to own the inflation spiking under his tenure, watch this. >> we take any blame for inflation? >> why tickling for inflation? no. it was already there when i got

here, man remember it with the is like when i got here? jobs were hemorrhaging. inflation was rising. we were not manufacturing a saying here. we were an economic difficulty that is why i don't. let's fact check that inflation was president biden got into office 1.4% year-over-year but you see where it is gone now. it is coming down but it outpaces wages with inflation at 6.5% the heritage foundation says families lost between $3,004,000 in the past year because of inflation, neil. quick. neil: fact checking edward lawrence in washington on that. i want to go to kenny and danielle both to extant reads that where we are going to go now from this. typically wall street gets a report, a good report on jobs usually tanks if they are good, did not do so this time.

why? >> i think the market is trying to convince itself no matter what the fed says they do not know what they are talking about and they are going to end up cutting rates in the second half of the year. the market is a discounting mechanism it's looking three -- four months but i'm still confused on why anyone thanks the fed is going to need to stimulate the economy with jobs being where they are such a strong jobs market unemployment being 3.4% in wages continuing to fail far below raising inflation very think the market is ahead of itself i'm not saying i'm a long term i think the markets getting a little ahead of itself in terms of forecasting and predicting the fed is absolutely going to cut rates and that's going to force the market higher produce on the nasdaq 16% suffer a to date on that speculation. >> of worrisome news of their own we can get into that another

time. but danielle, bring me up to date. the fed did raise rates they march meeting expectable to the same thing another quarter. and then stop for a while. you think they stop for a while? >> is hard to say when we get headlight reports out that were extremely skewed by census adjustment, population review net out the population the 894,000 gain in this survey that creates the unemployment rate goes down to 84000. so a lot of skus in the data it does not matter, neil. yesterday we were into the employment report with the market not sure there was for sure going to be at march rate hike for bedtime because the market was yes and they might go again in may. we might continue to tighten policy. i think that is why initially had the stock market up yesterday pretty close down

because the markets wising up to the fact the fed is just going to keep pushing forward regardless of what is underneath the hood the actual date about the job market said. >> are we going to get a soft landing, kenny? >> i don't think we'll get a soft landing. i'm not sure were getting to get a hard landing were going to get a long landing that's a rolling recession. it's going to be a more painful is going to stretch longer than having a hard one that goes deep. it is everything that starts to recover. to danielle some point i don't think the fed is stopping and march. i used to think they're going to stop in may. i'm not so sure after yesterday's report in the coming data that may be it's a jew now they raise one more in june and then stop. neil: when you think danielle the soft landing is what they hoped for a lot of traders seized on the employment report that maybe it is that goldilocks number that keeps us going in the direction of the economy not

taking it not going into recession, you are not buying it. >> i'm not buying yet i'm actually listening to somebody who's in charge of major hiring and firing decisions, market chopper and chief zuckerberg that founder of facebook. he came out a few days ago and said the whole mineral management layer that we have even after 12000 layoffs were going to cut that whole layer out as well but we have just activity people on hand. the incoming announcements from people with deference to the statisticians at the year old of labor statistics you cannot seem to seasonally adjust their way out of the bag. but with deference to the statisticians i'm paying attention to the ceos especially ones like mark zuckerberg he is the one setting the pace for the future layoffs to come this year. from everything we are seeing there is a definitely more in the pipeline. from what companies are telling us i'm paying attention to them they are the one to sign the paychecks.

neil: or stop them, right question occurring important danielle final word kenny great seeing again. appreciated guys. in the meantime forgot soft landing what about hard crime and those who do not do time for the crime? you see it when it 90-year-old candy store owner isn't beaten to the pulp and goes back to work the next day. but he barely survived. that story is rampant into this. with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2,

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the new york city he used a note saying the city needs to add more police as soon as possible. trent eight as you can see her as badly beaten outside of some candy store this week for the 9-year-old was left with a black eye, paint and his straw and large cut on his head. one of several recent beatings that have happened across new york city. >> he hit me on the head and i fall down bleeding, shaken up really bad for. >> rate and its candy store are legends in this neighborhood for the shop has been open since 1974 selling favorites like fried oreos, egg creams, milkshakes and other treats it also went alvarez says two men walked up to him and tried to sound some drinks. when he said no thanks one of the men punched him and hit one of his own employees. that man then pulled out a belt with iraq on the end, swung around and hit rate right in the head. then ray says they threatened to kill him as he laid on the round bleeding he said he was not sure if he's going to be able to get back up.

he simply called 911. alvarez came from the united states from my ron for a new life or you can see it neil this picture shows a hard-working man smiling holding his card that picture hangs on the wall the candy shop. new york is just not as safe as it used to be. >> we need more police, more police and the subway and more police on the streets. we need more police on the street. >> neil, new york city shows overall crime data shows a felony assault of 12 and half% compared to last year. spent credible, alexis thank you for that i'm glad he is okay, he returned to work the very next day after this. i want to return to what's happening over the skies in north carolina right now but folks there and get a pretty clear birds eye view of this. apart from the ground but this shot from the ground taking a look with the chinese call a weather satellite it appears to be anything but. it is a big and it is overhead. north carolina appears to be the

last stop before it's open borders. that would be the atlantic ocean as it continues its eastward trajectory. no one knows what is coming next after that. we are keeping an eye on it. we are up-to-date with it in the next hour will be talking to barack obama's defense secretary, what he makes of this and what we should do now regarding china. he has a lot of ideas. in the meantime, a lot of ideas about classified documents. earlier this week we got word of lawyers and justice department types all over vacation home manchin. now they're going to be doing the same in the next few days to former vice president kansas home in indiana. they are looking for a lot of stuff, are they finance?s of after this. oh man. always look for the grown in idaho seal. [car engine revving]

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there delaware. they are now on to searching later this week former vice president penn's home in indiana. looking again for classified documents. witnesses whole thing stand? who knows better than the former deputy assistant attorney general. tom, always good to see you and help us out and put this in perspective. where is this going right now at arms and getting to the bottom of it? i had a guest on earlier this week that said this is months before we know, is that right? >> i think it's a months before get a final determination as to whether any crimes were committed. think we are right now as we are in a phase of confirming what is out there. we've seen the fbi conducted searches of the president's home or homes. missing the fbi didn't ready to conduct a search of the former vice president mike penn's home. what other documents may be out

there and get her hands around that. once that part; it's the phase of the special councils investigating to find out what the intent was. how these documents got there. and whether any crimes were committed in the process. spinning one thing we have discovered is a lot of times the person in question was if you believe what biden says her vice president penn's believe what he said, they had no idea they had them in their possession. that raises a number of thorny issues as well. that someone else to put them in boxes or whatever it may be in a move or what ever. but had access to stuff that should not have had access to, right? >> yes that is when the real surprising aspects of this. it appears at least the way it has been explained to us this is all inadvertent. the vice president, the present did not know what was being packed up someone else at the packing they were simply unaware they are taking classified documents with them when they left office. but to your point that is exactly right.

we should not be having people who lack security classifications or don't really know classified document when they see one being in charge of putting together material that's being taken out of the white house and brought elsewhere. neil: still too early in the process and i understand that, do we over classify? dooey overgaard documents are there just simply too many that we file away? a lot of these files have included newspaper clippings and the like. i don't know what goes into it, you do. this argument it's exponentially grown i think the number i heard is four times more than the prior administration each new administration for the sheer volume of documents. >> i do think we have an over classification problem. the fact that every administrate the volume of classified documents in existence is growing exponentially tells you something. i think frankly the default rule for a lot of government bureaucrats is when in doubt classify. you've got a document sensitive information not quite sure what

to do with it the easiest course is to check the classified box on the document print that creates a problem as we have seen where your ending and administration trying to figure out which documents you can move what you can't so many are classified. classification levels can shift it's very, very confusing. we need to evaluate how to classified documents in the united states government. >> who seem safe to say it with joe biden or even vice president pence or maybe donald trump i cannot see charges being filed, can you? >> at this point i really don't. i think the fact every month there's some new official nutro of document makes it much more difficult for the justice department to maintain prosecution of any of these people there is going to be everyone doesn't sort of defense. you are right i do think it's really, really hard to see criminal charges.

>> here we go, tom always good to see you. all right, we are still following this weather balloon as a chinese collet comments by a balloon super big that we call the next hour we have former defense secretary chuck, mark green the house homeland security committee chairman and it doesn't end there. adam smith ranking member, all of that and then after this. but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody. ...

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