60,000 feet which is above civilian air space, didn't pose any danger to civilian aircraft, but it was flying more in the 40,000 foot range. we do know that from public reporting. that does pose a potential challenge to civilian aircraft. that's why the president ultimately ordered it taken down. neil: we talked about senator tim kaine talking about it coming down. it was an object flying within the range that commercial aircraft do. and bipartisan support the president having done that. not so much how he handled the balloon incident about a week ago. let's go to alexandria hoff how lawmakers are dealing with this. >> hi, neil. yeah, as far as the object goes, we could be talking about another balloon, maybe a glider, perhaps. we don't know. the only description that u.s. officials have provided us with is how this object differs from

the suspected chinese spy craft brought down a week ago. according to the white house this is about the size of a small sedan, a lot smaller than the balloon. it was not equipped with a significant payload, in fact, who or what yesterday's object belonged to is still up for question. >> we're calling this an object because that's the best description we have right now. we do not know who owns it, whether it's a -- whether it's state-owned or corporate-owned or privately owned. we just don't know. >> well, the object's flight path over alaska was north easterly. it's unclear where it was first detected. the pentagon says it was spotted using ground radar, and again, altitude, 40,000 was determined safety threat to civilian airplanes so president biden ordered it shot down yesterday and summed up his feelings with one word. >> do you have anything to say about the object shot down over alaska, mr. president?

>> and it was taken down 1 p.m. yesterday off the cost of alaska near the prudhoe bay oil field. >> we don't know, china, possibly russia, you can almost guarantee that it was launched by someone who does not wish us well. >> neil, you smartly mentioned last hour, no country, no asset has taken credit for this object so that's notable. its row mains fell on what's believed to be solid ice and recovery is currently underway of that evidence there. the military contending with severe weather at last check snowing and negative 19 degrees. neil: yikes. thank you very much for that. let's go to general richard newton on all of this, u.s. air

force former vice chief of staff. general, always good having you. besides just the sheer cold out there. this is the time of year very few hours of daylight. i think right now seven hours if you're lucky so there's a limited time range here. how do you see this process going? >> right now we're in the midst of a recovery effort and good morning, neil. it is the harshest of conditions, again, it's 1-800-who are you going to call? the united states military. in this case, the alaska national guard as well as other elements of the air force and army trying to get on scene and trying to peel back the onion in terms of where this object came from and really define what the object is. the key thing that's now going back, you know, delivering in the pentagon is based on that evidence, we're trying to nail down attribution. we don't have attribution, as senator wicker said we don't have attribution, is it china, russia, a nonstate actor,

commercial, we don't know. and the objects, the balloon last saturday with the one shot, one kill from the f-22, any violation of u.s. air force, u.s. sovereignty i think is a serious threat and it's become a significant wake-up call for the american people either on chinese mone monetizization we've got gaps in what the air space is adding up to. neil: general, if this were a russian craft or a chinese craft or some other country's craft, would they have said something, would they say that's ours, you shot it down. or the fact that no one has, what does that tell you? >> i would suspect that they would. but also harkens back to the challenges we have with communications right now with both moscow and beijing. if you recall, after the shootdown of the balloon last saturday, secretary austin tried to give a call to his

counterpart in beijing, was unable. they didn't pick up the phone. i'm not sure that anybody is picking up the phone in moscow right now and add another layer to the complexity of this, it is curious to me, beyond curious, in fact, i'm a little puzzled by the fact that nobody has claimed attribution of this incursion, again, of u.s. sovereignty. neil: to your point, a lot we don't know, including whether this was a surveillance craft of any sort, do you think that the fact the way this was released that we found out about it, it was just a reporter's errant question going on rumors flying around the internet, i think, but that was 11 minutes into a presser, we wouldn't have found out otherwise. what does that tell you? >> that's puzzling, also, obviously, we have been tracking. president was briefed on thursday night, if you will. we have been tracking it with f-35 aircraft and then the final shootdown occurred at

1:45 eastern time with the f-22. it does tell me perhaps the administration is still trying to gather the facts, they're trying to understand, now, what are the nature of this object. they may not have all the facts. you know, from a policy maker standpoint, especially on the heels of that chinese spy balloon that was shot down last weekend, you would have thought that we would have been really on top of this and maybe alerted the american people, but we'll -- i think the greater point here is not the operational tactical aspect of the chinese balloon much less this object, but it's really what does it tell us about china? china is now really trying to make its way on the world stage. modernizing their nuclear capabilities, land base, air base, sub launch capabilities. it's breathtaking. they've got more nuclear missile launchers than the united states right now, we have greater capability, but

they're trying to be on the global stage. and this spy balloon debacle that was really put them in the world stage regarding surveillance, not necessarily of the united states, but 40 other nations and five continents, is significant. this has got to be a significant wake-up call for the united states and it really, it goes to policy, but also to technology, the fa kt that -- the fact that we were not able to detect the incursions. last four and then starting on the 20th of january. a lot to unpack here both from the tactical all the way up to strategic level of consideration. neil: and they're unpacking it very, very slowly for us here, what we know. general richard newton, very good seeing you again, my friend. thank you very much. have a good weekend. >> thank you. neil: are the will -- all right, i wanting to the chairman house intelligence, nsa and cyber subcommittee. this is his baliwick. and i imagine, congressman,

this is your concern. do you know anything more than what we've been told about this object? >> neil, thanks for having me on. i don't know any more than has been publicly reported, but i will say this, neil. we have to wake up to the fact that china has a plan to replace the united states and they're working on that every single day, from an economic standpoint, military standpoint, technological standpoint and diplomatic standpoint and the ccp is aggressively doing this and i think that was a reflection of the brazenness and aggressiveness we saw with the balloon last week and part of why i give speaker mccarthy a lot of credit by creating the new select committee on china which i'm also a part of, is to focus on this more now than ever because we need to wake up to this fact and frankly, separate the ccp for their malign activities and expose that. neil: you're talking about the

chinese communist party, the ccp. and they have been very odd in their reaction to even the balloon incident. i guess the old line that the best defense is a good offense, saying that we behaved provocatively shooting the thing down. they want it back. they're hanging up on, you know, american high ranking officials who called to talk to their chinese counterparts, including the defense secretary. what do you think of their behavior and reaction since? >> well, it's ridiculous, neil. let's remember what their reaction was when we asked about the balloon. they said it was a meteorological or weather balloon. no one believes that, that's an invasion of our sovereignty and air space. let's look at track record. covid, right. originally they said it was started by the u.s. military early on. they said there was only 100 deaths from covid. they also said putin was never going to invade ukraine. so you look at the pattern of, i would argue, deceitfulness

and not being truthful on the world stage and for them to tell us it's a weather balloon, it fits into the narrative we cannot trust the ccp what they're telling us and why this select committee on china is so important. neil: we've already black listed, i think, half a dozen chinese largely tech firms, congressman, that might have something to do with this balloon technology. that list will likely go on as these boycotts back and forth go on. do you think this could get out of control? the military response notwithstanding, that the two biggest economic powers on earth could hurt each other? >> well, i think one thing that we need to focus on that we haven't during the biden administration over the last two years, in the indo-pacific region, neil, our like-minded allies are craving leadership from an economic standpoint. why we haven't set up a trade frame work from korea, japan, australia, new zealand, philippines and done that, i

think that's a big part of what the new select committee on china, what the republicans are going to do and i serve on the ways and means committee and the subcommittee. we ought to be working on the economics and isolate china more. i think that has to be a big part of that. i think that the biden administration has done nothing in this space and that will be a big focus with the select committee on china. neil: i'm curious, sir. have any intelligence briefings been planned or telegraphed to you? >> we had a -- we had a briefing last week, but frankly, it was a lot of these intelligence people patting themselves on the back for taking down the balloon. so, many of us left that -- left that hearing very skeptical and so we hope to have full briefing. neil: i'm sorry, i wasn't clear. i only asked because that would be the venue they might update you, very important figures in this, and if one hasn't been planned, it ain't happening anytime soon. >> yeah, we're out of session the house next week. i anticipate when we get back

we will have a full briefing on the details and that's what we promised us. neil: all right. congressman, thank you for taking the time. always good talking to you, have a good weekend. >> thank you. neil: intelligence on this, as i say is murky, but we have on monday the house intelligence committee chairman mike turner, what he'd like to see. he's concerned about not only big holes from our security that were revealed with the balloon incident, we don't know that, whether this is typical of that incident. we don't know whose object it is, but he is worried about the pattern of behavior that makes it look like maybe our border, maybe our skies, have proven a bit too vulnerable. we'll explore that on monday. meantime, getting tough on china. i already told you about how we now are putting a list of no business at all for six chinese companies. the chinese are writing their own list and then there are mayors like the one in grand forks, north dakota, who is way ahead of this by saying long

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>> all those in favor signify by saying aye. opposed same side. motion carries unanimously. >> whoo! [cheers and applause] >> usa! usa! usa! usa! >> all right. that was a key, grand forks, north dakota meeting that said no to a chinese plant. they were offering a lot of bucks for this, but the guy who spearheaded the efforts to say thanks, but no thanks and long before the balloons or came into the pictures. the mayor of grand forks. good to have you, mayor.

you sensed something or anxious about something that preceded the incident. but the allure of a corn plant in your city must have been tempting and the money that china was offering. you said no. why? >> it was a long process and i had to review and understand the difference between private business and government-owned business from china and china and their staff and there was a difference. in the end more and more, it's hard to differentiate the two. but we had a group of citizens that worked really hard on this and came forward from the start and were instrumental in kind of making this final decision happen. neil: mayor, what was china's reaction or their representatives reaction. >> this was an american based executive and they were disappointed they put into a lot of work to try to make this plant happen. it was a pretty short conversation, along the lines

of, does that mean it's over? and the answer was yes. neil: so they can't come back and say this time we're doing it without china? >> well, i don't think that's a possibility. they're a subsidiary after china-based company. the hope now is you get an american-based company or allied company that would come in in the same vein and value added ag and build this so we get the benefits economically and not deal with the risks of china. neil: mayor, i was thinking about you before this council vote and occurred to me in michigan there's a ford plant that is being done in conjunction with the chinese, government whitmer, the democratic governor there welcomed the money and jobs that will be raised as a result, i think it's like an ev battery plant, electrical battery plant. so a lot of jobs and a lot of money and they're willing and eager to do that because it will benefit michigan.

i talked to florida congressman carlos jimenez about this very issue and this was his reaction, and then, sir, i want yours. coneman jimenez. >> ford motor company is expected to announce maybe as soon as monday plans to build a $3 1/2 billion dollar lithium plant in michigan that will own and operate the plant with the china's battery company, technology company as a tech technology partner to produce these batteries. would you endorse such a co-managed plant? >> no, i don't. i think that, look, what the chinese have demonstrated is they will partner up with you and then take all of your intellectual property and then basically eventually put you out of business. neil: now, that's a little different with you, mayor. because a corn milling plant is not about technology or some intelligence, it's just the fact that the chinese were

involved. what do you think of this one? >> well, these joint ventures are always going to be a challenge. you've got roughly 2500 chinese-controlled businesses in the u.s. and even more than the u.s. companies in china. and i think it's a challenge, but where do we draw the line? i think would be helpful if the federal government would come forward with some guidelines or at least have some type of voice in this because this becomes a challenge for governors, even down to mayors like myself. i think some guidance at the federal level would be helpful to dig in. they've got the resource toss dig into exactly what types of joint ventures, what the risks are involved. neil: you know, there's an old line as you are aware, mayor, that the chinese have, that americans can talk, but our money prevents them from the great balk, in other words, walking away. do you think that that is still tempting, that the chinese money, wherever the chinese controversies, their money still talks?

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>> all right, we are getting new numbers about the increasing number of migrants acrossing through the border and 800% increase in chinese migrant encounters along the border. what's going on there, griff jenkins in mission, texas. >> hey, neil, let's start with the latest cvp numbers for the month of january. the cvp folks, obviously, happy that finally after 10 months, the number is well below what it was last month and under 200,000. look here, we can show you on the screen in the center, the official january numbers, 156,274. now, that's much lower than the december's 251,000, but you can see next to it compared to last january, it's still up about 2,000. now, you see that over 50% were single adults, but that hasn't stopped the migrants coming that don't want to be

apprehended or surrender themselves. we can show you this morning, every morning, neil, gotten up 4 a.m., gone out with texas dps and pursue the runners, that don't want to be caught, running along the brush as they're on patrol and they're finding, obviously, this spike, 800 plus percent in chinese. the chief of the border patrol ortiz who i spoke to yesterday said they've seen over 3,000 chinese in just this fiscal year compared to 300 last year. here is a little more of what he had to say. take a listen. >> it is problematic for us and it's one of those things that we are looking at from intelligence perspective, you know, why are they coming. what are you doing here and how are they travelling into the u.s. so we're working with our agency partners to make sure we monitor that traffic and address it with our country in mexico. >> other thing that grieve

ortiz told me, neil, he's concerned about the technology the cartels have, the drones they use to surveil us and this morning, a few hours ago, i was out with the border patrol agents and they literally recovered a mexican cartel drone, the operator had come across the river on the u.s. side was operating it. we got into a chase pursuing him. they got back across, the two individuals, to the mexican side, but our agents recovered the drone, the phone they were using and the controller, see what information they get from that. neil: thank you, griff from mission, texas. and what would a saturday be without the docudrama and we have developments to share and john of you, many of you familiar with the uc law professor, former clerk for justice thomas, this guy is scary smart. all right, so mr. scary smart, now we've got indications of

new documents that were either uncovered or turned over via laptops from the trump team being investigated right now. might be nothing toward going on there, but i pass it along, an additional one found at mike pence's residents as investigators went to look for more. i don't know where the whole biden stuff stands, but it's not done, we're told. what do you make of all this. >> first, neil, i hope i'm friendly smart before my eagles play in the super bowl. this is sprawling. more and more documents are being found, as you've said, just got another set from the trump team. we found another document yesterday in pence's house, we found another count of the biden documents at his own house in addition to the ones at his penn center in washington d.c. one way to think about this is, it's sprawling. there's a lot more people taking documents home than should.

they're in violation of federal law. they're not allowed to have these documents. so, one thing is we're going to get more facts, but the more important thing, the thing to keep your eye on, what are prosecutors going to do once they have a good grasp who who has these documents and how they got there in the first place? we've got major figures now who have violated the law. we've got hillary clinton who routed thousands of e-mails into her own private server and donald trump who kept about 100 classified documents and joe biden with documents and mike pence just under 10 documents. are prosecutors going to charged them with federal charged. and much biden is not going to be charged, hillary wasn't charged. and are they going to charge the two republicans? >> you know, the president did claim in an interview that these were aides years ago,

going back to the '70s who were responsible for hastily, that's my word, not his, you know, collecting the documents, flinging them in a box, not him. what do you think of that? >> well, you don't want to be joe biden's intern for sure. certainly, going to have a hard time getting once he leaves office. but, there's a difference between, i think, trump and pence and biden is president now, and biden as a senator. when you're in the executive branch you have classified documents with you, you're working on them. the white house has a lot of systems for handling those documents. how did joe biden get these classified documents when he was a senator? i used to work in the senate. you don't have classified documents in your senate office. there's actually one special room in the senate that all the senators go to, look at the documents and they have to leave them there. so how did those get-- if they got out, it's hard for me to think they were inadvertent. but this could be, 40, 30 years ago, who is going to remember

how the documents got out of there and into joe biden's personal papers, all the way to his house, and all the way to this office in washington d.c.? >> yeah, and from a time he was a very young senator, first term senator. so a lot of open-ended questions. john, thank you very much. good luck watching the super bowl. i won't take sides here just hoping you enjoy the game. all right, always good seeing you, john yu on all of this. and in the meantime, the latest on this alaska shoot down and why we still don't know a lot and that might be by design, but lieutenant general jerry boiken has some thoughts and wants to relate worries that he's had about china for some time after this.

>> all right. all of the-- well, the object that was shot down, is that we're still calling it an object and we don't know what country it came from and don't know whether it had surveillance capabilities or spying on us. no one has owned up to it. what to make of it now, almost 24 hours after the fact, and 24 hours after the shooting. let's go to lieutenant general jerry boiken, the former undersecretary of defense, and multiple more, best selling author. general, a lot of this didn't add up. first, the way we found out

about it buried in the lead and in the press conference, came up 11 minutes into the press conference because of an errant question and not much more. what do you think? >> first of all, i think that the president acted a bit different than he did than when the balloon came over and took this thing down, where we should have taken the balloon down. now, that said, i am very concerned about this whole situation here because of the way we hesitated in the balloon-- taking the balloon down, if you stop and think about it, there is a possibility that that could have been filled with some kind of warhead that could have been an emp, which would have knocked out a substantial part of our power grids, it could have been a chemical or a biological warhead that was in that balloon and we're letting

that thing fly around the united states and we wait until it gets out over the coast before we blow it down and what could it have done if it had released a payload of those, the nature that i could have talked about. neil: but it could have aggravated it if it was shot down if it had those. >> not if they shot it by alaska. neil: before it got into the united states. >> yeah. neil: the fact that no one has owned up to this object. what do you mike of that? >> yeah, i'm puzzled about that. that said, i personally think it's china. it could be russia. certainly given the proximity to alaska, it could be russia, but i think it's china. and i think -- i've said on another program the other day, we're going to see more of this and now we have seen the next iteration of it. we're going to see more of this

and go back to 1998, two colonels in the people's liberation army wrote a treatise called, unrestricted warfare in which they told us exactly how they would take over america, how they would destroy this nation as we know it and subjugate it to chinese control. and everybody, i think, kind of laughed at them and thought this was a big joke at that time, but now, if you go back and read that and you can find this treatise online, unrestricted warfare, you can find it and you can read it and what you see is that a lot of what we're seeing today, to include these reconnaissance aircraft, that are flying our air space, is all a part of what they said they're going to do. and ambassador pete hoekstra and i put out a book about four months ago, called the chinese communist party is at war with america, and that's not a sub significance, that's their

wards words. they put that out, that chinese is at war with america and it's a different kind of war, but it could be a hot war at some point. and they have declared war on us and when we see things like this, we have to recognize that it's part of a well-orchestrated plan that was laid out in 1998 and we're now seeing all of that unfold. we need to take it seriously. neil: general, thank you, i think, for that, but a good reminder, a cold reminder, general jerry boykin on that. and i wonder what my next guest thinks about that, the on the house committee on intelligence and congressman, it's always good to see you. is china being provocative.

the latest situation we don't know one way or the other. but their behavior and even their response to us, they want it back, why did you shoot it down. hanging up on calls from the defense secretary. they don't seem like a recalcitrant country. >> before i answer your question, i need to clean up something that general boykin said. and it's important that people understand the capabilities and the competence of the military that they pay $800 billion a year for. our military watched this balloon and as you know, i'm a member of the gang of eight and i've been briefed as much as anybody on the planet on this. our military watched this balloon for days and put up-- they put assets up against it, asset aircraft sensors against this balloon for days, they knew with certainty that this was not a weapons platform and it's just really important that you're not-- that your viewers not be panicked into thinking that the

military doesn't have the capability to make those determinations. we could argue whether the balloon should have been shot down for the pacific or atlanta, and i want to clean that up. our military would never allow weapons platform they had been watching for days to penetrate u.s. air space. to your question, look, the chinese-- this balloon overflight was brazen. now, we don't really know at what levels of the china government this was approved. we don't have that information yet, but the very fact that they put a balloon in a position to go across the continental united states shows real disregard for what the blowback might be. let's hope that they're embarrassed, embarrassed about the fact that the balloon flight and the fact that we now own it and pulling it apart and understanding its capabilities. neil: right. but we need to be adamant with the chinese that this is unacceptable. neil: to be fair to the general, congressman, he said what if. i think he couched it, but you're quite right to say we didn't find that evidence, but if i could step back and you

talked about china's reaction and how they're dealing with this going forward. how do we deal with china going forward? i know your intelligence, it's not about economic sort of repercussions about this, but the commerce department is already black listing six chinese companies and i'm sure it's a matter of time before china responds in kind. back and forth we go. where do you think this is going? >> look, it's a tense moment with china, right? we all too often swap in the naval ships in the taiwan straits and the center line between taiwan and the mainland regularly. and it's a delicate moment. china requires states craft here. we need to be clear they can't do this stuff and we will respond even as we remember, neil, and i get concerned a little bit when people start thinking about china like we used to think of the soviet union. remember, china is one of our top three trading partners, everybody everything you see in the background of what you're

looking at made in china, owns a trillion dollars of or sovereign debt. so the argument i'm making, we need to make it clear that it's not okay and even as we're careful with the economic relationships we have. your point what if. i'm still concerned with what the general said. i could come on tv as a member of the gang of eight, what if the most recent balloon they shot down was full of covid virus or full of ebola. i could ask all sorts of what-if's. we deserve in tense times, it is a tense time, to be clear and less speculative when people are nervous and anxious. neil: i always appreciate your point of view, congressman, thank you very much. congressman jim himes, ranking member of the house permanent select committee. and the latest incident, where about our skies, are they safe? we'll keep an eye on that.

for this weekend, a lot of attention on the super bowl and maybe a diversion that americans need and doesn't matt finn know it at super bowl headquarters in arizona. matt. >> hey, neil, we're now 24 hours away from the big game. we've been on the ground here behind the scenes talking to fans and some of the players and we've got a pretty intense look at some of the security right after this break. all across the country, people are working hard to build a better future. so we're hard at work helping them achieve financial freedom. we're proud to serve people everywhere, in investing for the retirement they envision. from the plains to the coasts, we help americans invest for their future. and help communities thrive.

>> enjoy the game, but keep it safe. that's seems to be the security interest right now ahead of the big super bowl. of course, the big game and 70,000 plus fans crammed into phoenix, arizona. matt finn is there with the latest. hey, matt. >> hi, neil. well, the security above state farm stadium is taken so seriously, there's going to be a no-fly zone tomorrow and f-16 fighters should any aircraft violate that fly zone.

we got to go up in one of those fighter jets and here is a look. >> we're with the 162nd wing of arizona's air national guard in tucson training on emergency scenarios. properly getting in and out of the cockpit. >> counter clock-wise so it's going this direction. >> and the gear. >> and we suit up and then meet the pilots. and then it's takeoff in an f-16 jet up in the air, pulling 4 to 7g's. we're on a norad drill. lt. colonel leroy barnett and another pilot intercept a cessna that in theory violates super bowl air space. barnett explains why the air over the super bowl is shut down. >> it's the super bowl. it's the population. it's the importance of how many people are there and outside of that, it's national asset.

>> u.s. homeland security secretary mayorkas visited phoenix this week in addition to local law enforcement, dhs says 800 federal personnel are in place prepared for simple threats to chemical weapons. the plan includes aviation and cyber security. cargo screenings, video surveillance. >> we have no specific credible threat against the super bowl. >> and neil, we have not been made aware of any other -- or any threats here at the super bowl. everything running along very smoothly. what's interesting to know, we're seeing fans from all over the country not just from the eagles or chiefs, but all different teams who want to be a part of perhaps the once in a lifetime experience we'll be here through the weekend and keep you updated. neil: matt, you're a very brave man. i don't know if i could have or indeed would have done that, but you would. matt finn in phoenix, arizona for the big game. well, you know, we think of the greats when we look at super

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>> all right, the big game is on. it's a real pressure cooker and i often talk to quarterbacks over the years who just say it's a whole different game when it's that game and all plans are just put aside just for the sheer pressure in the first couple of minutes of playing, sort of like when i do this show or cover the bond market. enough about me. back to one of the greatest ever in that game, in 1969.

he electrified the world in the third super bowl. the new york jets were not expect today win, but they did because of him, i'm talking joe namath all of 25 years old back then, which makes him 28 today. joe, good to see you. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. thank you. i see you are, too, buddy. neil: it's very good to see you. you know, it's interesting when we look at the game and i've had the pleasure to talk to greats like you and joe theismann and a host of others who say, especially for that first one or that big game, all bets are off. you realize the enormity of the moment. it is do affect your play? how quickly do you just settle down? >> well, to each his own, you know, i know myself, i felt like i'd been in big games before at university of alabama. neil: sure. >> and it dawned on me, waiting to go out for the coin flip is

when it hit me. johnny unitas was on the other side of the field and they said we're going to walk to the middle of the field and looking across the field, wow, you know? i had a flashback of myself in high school seeing johnny and watching him. neil: you were one of the biggest underdogs ever and i'm thinking that could take some pressure off of you. right now, this is fairly close between the chiefs and eagles. the eagles are favored, but that -- the odds there can go, depending on the time and the moment. but did that ease a lot of stress on you, knowing that, hey, you know, the jets shouldn't be here, but here they are? >> no, it didn't relieve stress. in fact, it wasn't stress. i didn't feel it, we thought about it beforehand and maybe some guys that feel it, but once that ball is kicked off, you know, these guys, these are pros.

they're out there and they've played a lot of games. they ought to be in the moment playing their butts off, not feeling stress. neil: you know, i had a chance to talk to robert kraft, the you think in patriots owner, who says, you know, he misses tom brady, wants a tom brady day. if he could come back to celebrate him and his 20 years there at the patriots. don't know how that's going to sort out, but what do you think of brady and announcing his retirement? do you think he'll stick to that? >> you know, i miss him, neil. i miss him. i think he's wonderful. i watched him play so many games over the years and come through so many times in a clutch, man, and he's a class act. whatever he does, he's going to do well from here on out, too. neil: when you'll hear the money and the sums these guys are making, even if you think of mahomes, i mean, he's sitting on a $500 million 10-year deal. you were among the greatest of

the greats, you weren't, even adjusted for inflation getting that kind of money. do you ever say i was a great too soon? >> no. neil: i had this talent, which you did, 30 years later you'd be a rock star, which you are, but you know what i'm saying? >> neil, yeah, i do know what you're saying, reminding me of my mother in the kitchen, complaining about a loaf of bread that went up to 18 cents, gosh, used to be 12 and i scratched my head. i didn't have any idea. i remember gasoline, 18 cents a gallon. 25 cents a gallon. things like that, and the first job a buck an hour, 40 hours a week, take home 34 and change. things worked out all right and my family and i are healthy and we're doing okay today. neil: i know you're doing-- i want to remind you that patrick homes is 500 million over 10 years and then i'll move on. [laughter]. neil: can i ask you this, you said something interesting not too long ago, you're a jets fan

and your super bowl is the last thing that the jets ever won, but you said when there was talk about woody johnson optimistic that he's going to land an impact quarterback, that you know, aaron rodgers intrigued you and that if something doesn't work out right now and, you know, he moves on, you'd like him to come to the jets and you would even retire your number, number 12 so that he could and that might tempt him. did you ever get back to you on that? >> no, no, he didn't get back to me on that. i know mr. johnson wants to win severely and so do the jet fans. it's been a long time, man, and i'd like to see us win. and i'd love to see aaron rodgers there, it's highly unlikely, i just hope he gets out of that dark room he's in right now. neil: what is that? four days in total darkness to work out whatever is going on, but you like him and if he came

you would think enough of him to give him your number because only you could decide to do that? >> well, he's worn that number, number 12, so tom brady, roger staubach, with the jets, they were kind enough to retire it. look at it, yeah, we want to win and i would do anything possible to do to help them win. they've got a defense, with them. good receivers and lady luck takes care of the health of the players, the jets have an opportunity to get in the playoffs and possibly win the championship, but they need that guy behind center. neil: all right. do you see the jets ever winning anything big again? because i don't, myself. i'm just curious. do you? [laughter] >> i can only hope, let's put it that way. we can only hope, all of us, man. neil: all right. joe, thanks for great memories and a lot of the good things you've done. you're very modest about that

for kid and people around your area in florida. you've given it back and paid it forward many, many times. but looking back at those films, my man, they were good times and so were you. joe namath one of the greatest of the great, super bowl victor in 1969 when no one thought it was possible. that's the thing about the game. anything is possible. enjoy it. ♪ # >> questions swirling after another high altitude object was shot down over u.s. air space, this time off the coast of alaska. the pentagon is working to recover debris from the car-sized object that the white house says posed a reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flights. welcome to fox news live, i'm mike emanuel. hey, alicia. alicia: i'm alicia acuna. a chines