>> john: all new at 2:00, republican senator josh hawley wants the feds to set a legal age to use social media. he says if you are not 16, you can't log on and it's passed time to start fighting back against big tech.

welcome to "america reports," hour number two. john roberts in washington. >> sandra: great to be with you, john. sandra smith in new york. congress looks for ways to keep children safe online. senators hearing from parents who say cyber bullying cost them everything. >> let us be clear. these are not coincidences, accidents or unforeseen consequences. they are the direct result of products designed to hook and monetize america's children. it should not take grieving parents filing lawsuits to hold this industry accountable for their dangerous and addictive product designs. >> john: could hawley's proposal have legs? that's coming up this hour. >> sandra: the white house is set to face tough questions on china, those flying objects, and a brand-new inflation report just out that shows costs are still way up from where they were just one year ago. we are keeping our eye on the white house there, live.

>> john: start off with this fox news alert, animals are dropping dead and residents are falling ill. the disaster derailment in ohio is causing panic after crews conducted a controlled burn of some of the chemicals aboard. >> sandra: including vinyl chloride, a hazardous gas and carcinogen, shown to cause cancer. >> john: the epa says they are screening homes and have not found levels of concern. >> sandra: residents worry about water and air contamination. >> the homes should have been tested, cleaned. this really looks like a nuclear winter. we nuked this town with chemicals and this is what they are getting. >> john: our next guest runs a farm a couple miles out from where the train derailed, he is seeing dead fish float across a creek nearby, why he's fearing the worst when it comes to the safety of his animals. >> sandra: before we get to him, bring in david spunt, live in washington with the latest on

what we are learning from this. >> hi, sandra. 11 days ago, still chaos on the ground. people are getting sick, pets are dropping dead and no telling when it will be cleaned up and if this small village and border town on the border of pennsylvania can ever get back to normal. february 3rd in east palestine, an mile from the p.a. border. a freight train derailed and exploded. 50 cars were involved, ten had hazardous materials, including that vinyl chloride. some others that are carcinogens, cause skin burning and irritation. neighbors continue to complain about a myriad of health issues. >> you had vinyl chloride, and other bad chemicals. vinyl chloride itself. >> the epa is on scene and will be to test the town in the coming weeks and months.

>> done 285 plus home air tests, they have 185 more scheduled. they are testing the water around the clock and you can better believe i'm going to be asking questions to make sure that we continue that until we are 100% sure that we really mitigated this problem. >> local congressman from the area, one resident put it this way, sandra and john, just said normalcy, waiting for normalcy to get back. we know ohio's governor dewine will be making comments in about an hour updating the public on the progress there, a long road ahead for these folks. >> thank you very much, david spunt. >> john: next guest is the owner of a farm a couple miles away, ever since the disaster he's seen dead animals along the creek where his house sits and worried his horses could be next. russell murphy joins us now. in a letter to norfolk southern

railway, environmental protection agency said the materials released were observed and detected in samples from sulfur run, leslie run, little beaver creek and the ohio river, and also observed entering storm drains. what have you seen on your farm there, and what's the creek or the run that you are standing in front of? >> i'm right near leslie run on the corner of 170 south outside of negli and bye road. i live about a quarter mile to my left is where my driveway is. from leslie run. >> john: and what have you seen there? >> this creek here, we have seen a lot of dead fish, there is still some that are remnants, i don't know if they are still dying. you can see the chemical boom and the sock behind me to allow the chemical to be socked up and taken away, but it's -- it's horrible, it's horrible to see

it. the smell has kind of subsided. before two days ago you could not stand here without getting a headache. i couldn't anyway. >> sandra: i know that you reported you are getting headaches right away. i'm sorry, did not mean to interrupt you there. how are you doing, how are those around you doing right now? >> i think everybody is really concerned, concerned about whether this is going to get swept under the rug and how much of a responsible party they are going to be to clean this up and who is going to be here expert-wise, either federally or from the state of ohio that's going to baby-sit norfolk southern to make sure it's cleaned up the correct way. as of now, you know, they had trains sitting on them tracks five minutes after the press conference when they released them people back into town out of the one-mile radius, and it's no secret they -- they can't run trains and can't let people back in the house and they should have never -- never lifted this

evacuation order as quick as they did. >> john: i take it, russell, you were not part of the evacuation because you are about three miles away from the train derailment. but certainly when they burned off that vinyl chloride we saw that huge plume of black smoke carried on the wind. you think that at least one of your horses may be suffering from something associated with the derailment? >> well, this morning we had to get a vet out and the vet pulled blood, gave the horse some antihistamine, her words to my wife was something that's in the air, whether it's, you know, abnormal warm temperatures and something is, you know, there's -- if there's something other than what the chemical is that we can't see, norfolk southern, they attacked us both by water and air. so you know, well testing is

huge, it's got -- we got to keep it in the forefront and make sure we can continue well testing to make sure our water is good that we bathed in and drink and used for cooking, it's massive. >> sandra: russell, we all just feel for everybody there that is going through this, this is terrifying, and what you are reporting is just awful. there was a bipartisan criticism of the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg for not getting in there sooner and ultimately broke his silence basically by saying he was concerned, and then deploying testing to the area. what can you tell us as far as, i just heard you calling for accountability for this happening and more help in cleaning up, but what has been the communication from the federal, state and local levels, how is that going right now? >> it goes. you call the assistance center, you get one phone number for well testing and then you end up getting another phone number when you call that one and

another phone number and might get somebody to put you on the list, we still -- we say, we are told we are on a list but have no idea when that scheduling is going to be to get testing. >> john: would you like to see, the very least, the transportation secretary talk to some of the local folks, reassure them the federal government is doing all it can? >> i think so. you know, i think -- i think pistol pete ought to show up and get out from behind the bulletproof glass and take a walk, you know. he can get ahold of me, i would be glad to take him around. >> sandra: russell, you are in a tough spot there, even just getting water for the animals, you can't rely on anything right now because you just don't know. we will stay in touch with you, russell. thank you very much for joining us. >> john: thank you, russell. >> yes, thank you. >> john: we wish you well. >> sandra: dr. nicole is joining us now on the concerns over the

toxic chemicals, dr., jump in here. >> any time you have a train derailing there is potential for disaster and usually it's defined to the local wreckage. but in ohio, the chemical catastrophe, can effect not only immediately around the wreckage, but those miles and miles away. there has been some finding of the chemicals in the ohio river. the ohio river provides drinking water for over 5 million residents. now on february 10th we heard john say earlier, epa wrote a letter to the train company saying they did see substances in the water and ground, also going into the drain, storm drains, thank you for that word, and then two days later you have the epa saying however they didn't detect any of the chemicals at a significant

level. listen, they have decided to do a controlled burn of this vinyl chloride. 20 cars labelled hazardous materials, a lot of dangerous chemicals, a lot of them industrial solvents. five had vinyl chloride, used for pvc piping and other hard plastics. it's a very, very dangerous substance and it's extremely flammable and it can explode. and with the explode could cause shrapnel to go for miles and miles and be in the air. they decided to leak it out, and do a controlled burn. when you put the vinyl chloride into the porous soil you will have leakage into the ground system. and when you burn, it's dangerous. and the epa is saying they are now monitoring for hydrogen

chloride and phosgene, and the immediate danger may have been listened, the long time sequelae of this, the risk is have he high and short-term monitoring is not sufficient for the local residents. >> john: in terms of the evacuation, folks in a one-mile radius were evacuated for a number of days but then allowed back in. i remember a huge, i used to live in toronto, canada, 1979 there was a huge train derailment, they literally evacuated the entire town, 250,000 people for 6 or 7 days because of the threat of chlorine gas. did they let people back here in east palestine too quickly? >> you know, that's a great question. i can tell you the immediate threat of a severe explosion causing shrapnel to go at this point is likely not there anymore, that's why they did the controlled burn. what is still lingering in the

air is highly concerning. just yesterday, norfolk southern said 340 home test, testing the air, water, and the soil, and the results of that will be out next week. next week, how can you do that when you have local news stations reporting that over about 3500 fish have been killed, live stock are dying, animals are dying, people are complaining of medical complaints and the only thing they can say right now is if you have symptoms, go see a physician? maybe they need to be more aggressive, keep people out of the local vicinity until they can guarantee their safety and again, it is not just about short-term safety. when you have, yes, the initial big exposure to large amounts of these gasses and chemicals, that is obviously dangerous. but long-term exposure of lower doses come with consequences as well, often cancer-causing. >> john: doc, good to hear from you. we'll see you in a few minutes to talk about other issues as

well. >> sandra: thank you so much, dr. saphier. >> john: and the federal government and local officials say it's safe for people to go back in, but a rich history of the federal government saying it's safe and it's not safe, there is this, don't know if it's safe, the pile at ground 0, burn pits in iraq and afghanistan, agent orange, if you want to go back that far, i mean, how many times are people going to be told it's safe, it's safe, when it really may not be and as the doc was saying, long-term effect, sequelae, she used the word, may not be known for years, maybe decades to come. >> sandra: you look at the situations and say folks should flee until we know more, not everybody is in position to do that, it requires resources. >> john: you saw with russell

murphy on leslie run, there was a boom there and it's turning color, something is in the water. >> sandra: and fish are still dying. >> john: one of capitol hill's most awkward debates has a resolution. diane feinstein will not be seeking re-election, her election was in 1992. widespread reports of her declining health have been dominating the headlines, and they claim her memory was failing and saying she sometimes did not recognize who they were. she and her many defenders long denied any health issues and resisted pressure for her to step down. the news right now, feinstein making it official, she will be leaving the senate at the end of her term next year. >> sandra: all right. a brand-new inflation report is just out. still the president, despite what it actually says, he says it's going to give americans more breathing room.

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>> john: inflation report that economists have been eagerly awaiting for is out today but the numbers are not what analysts were hoping for. >> sandra: last month's consumer price index, the snapshot of inflation in the country, up 6.4%, running hotter than

expected. and is a sobering sign that the sky high prices are not going away, not yet, at least. >> john: what does this mean for president biden, who has made fighting inflation one of the selling points, ahead of 2024 campaign, bret baier, so, 6.4, down 6.5 annualized in december, still a long way from the 2% that the fed is shooting for, and looks like it's going to take a long time for this to come down. and maybe 2024 before it does. >> it's a big issue. how people feel about the economy is obviously the thing that matters most in politics, and they were hoping that this would be a better report, this is still showing a pretty hot economy and that means that the fed is likely going to continue what it has been doing. it's been raising rates, eight times since march of 2022. and that is likely going to continue, at least in the

short-term, unless they see some change and right now the experts are saying you are not going to see it. >> sandra: this is part of the statement from the president, bret, and hello to you, by the way. happy valentine's day, i like the red. he says this, in a statement, today's data confirms annual inflation has fallen for seven straight months, inflation for food at the grocery store came down again last month and real wages for working americans are up over the last seven months, delivering welcome breathing room for american families. well, wages have had to go up, employers are having to pay more because people are trying to survive and live through this record high inflation. so, bret, the take away from this statement, you tell me what you are hearing, but it's almost like the white house is touting success on the economy, breathing room for american families? >> they are, and you know, it's just -- we are not seeing it in the data, we are not seeing it in the polls, not seeing it in

people saying we feel that breathing room. yes, the price of eggs went down slightly, but other prices went up and core inflation did not go down significantly at all and that affects things. you know, you look at people tapping into their 401(k) to make bills week after week. that's a signal that things are not going as expected when it comes to the u.s. economy. >> john: because inflation is with us at the rate it is, and above the rate of increase of wages, your dollar is still doing this, it's still getting smaller. it's not going that fast, it's going slower. like you have a leak in the pool and the water is still going out, just leaking a little less quickly, until you are down to 2%, then wages would outpace inflation. abc news poll a couple weeks ago, 41% of americans said they are worse off than they were when biden took over. 16% of people say that they are better off. the outgoing chief of staff, ron klain, did an exit interview

with the new yorker, he seemed to suggest that you know, these are not really problems that are that bad, we see them all the time. he said i've got a great deal of confidence when all the facts are known, people will understand the president did nothing wrong here, and comported himself well. if i made the rule i was not going to leave until there was not a crisis at the white house, i would be here until joe biden was president there, is always a crisis at the white house. you have covered the white house, he's got a lot of them. >> it's true, he does, and some are directly because of policies or things that he said or done. immigration situation on the border is one that just sticks out to you, and politically i think you are going to see candidates, and obviously we have nikki haley officially jumping in the pool as well as the former president, really hitting on those two things. how people feel about the economy, and immigration primarily as two big issues in this presidential campaign. >> sandra: people are not going to be happy if they have to skip

breakfast, bret, and apparently it's a suggestion from the wall street journal with all the inflation. i shouldn't say their suggestion but noting to save money, skip breakfast foods like this, eggs as you mentioned, up 70% year over year, frozen juices up 12%, people don't like to be told to skip breakfast. they want these everyday items, don't want to think about it, but they are looking at the sticker in the grocery store, they know it's happening. if i could move this forward, you noted nikki haley making it official. it's going to be interesting to see how republicans are going to run on fixing this inflation problem, and what they can tell the american public they can do if they get in there. because this is a tough -- it's a tough thing. it didn't have to get to this point, inflation, this is the result of a lot of government spending but we are here and to fix it will be a major task. >> and listen, spending is a problem for both parties, republicans and democrats have

spent, spent, spent. the question is how you are going to campaign on that and make headway. >> john: we'll see. we have a year and nine months to figure it out. see you tonight at 6:00. it will go by fast, yeah. >> sandra: the murdaugh murders and what could be the most dramatic evidence presented at the trial. first time released for the public to see. >> john: bodycam footage shows the disgraced lawyer, alec murdaugh, reacting as the bloody bodies of his wife and son are lifeless on the ground. prosecutors claiming it's an act because they argue murdaugh is the one who shot them dead. watch here. >> scene is secure, whiskey fox -- gunshot wounds to the head. >> i want to let you know because of the scene, i did go get a gun and bring it down. >> it's in your vehicle. >> no, sir, leaning up against

the side of my car. >> you are fine, man. turn around for me. i don't have anything. >> i see that, ok. this is your wife and son. >> and son. it's bad, it's bad, checked their pulses. >> sandra: the responding deputy responded that despite him b soing, he never saw tears, and calling out bizarre moments in the bodycam video, like if murdaugh asked deputies if the wife and son will be ok. >> did you check them? >> we have medical guys, that's what they are going to do, ok. >> what are they doing, can they hurry? >> they are, yes, sir. >> john: and one moment the prosecution points to proof murdaugh was faking concern, saying his wife's name for the record and the different deputy walks up. listen closely to the change in tone here.

>> murdaugh, margaret branstad murdaugh. how you doing? >> sandra: one final exchange, murdaugh brings up what prosecutors say could be the motive for the kills, his son's legal drama scheduled to play out at a court hearing days later. >> this is a long story, my son was in a boat wreck the months back, he's been getting threats, most of it's been benign stuff we did not take serious. you know, he's been getting like punched, i know that's what it is. >> john: prosecutors say murdaugh knew if the court hearing over his son's boat crash happened, his financial crimes would then be exposed. after his son's murder, that hearing was called off. >> sandra: for his part, alex murdaugh has pled not guilty, his defense team has tried to raise reasonable doubt by

questioning law enforcement handling of the evidence suggesting there could have been more than one shooter. >> john: that goes on, south carolina courtroom. we are following a debate on capitol hill parents might find interesting. senator josh hawley is proposing an age requirement for social media. he says you should be 16 years old at least to create an account. after heartbreaking new data shows teen girls are especially suffering from a mental health crisis. that story is coming up next. >> sandra: some news under the radar, the cdc has just added the covid shot to the list of routine vaccines for children, including young babies. dr. nicole saphier says it could be dangerous. we are joined next on that. , but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you.

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>> sandra: welcome back. senators on the judiciary committee are discussing the dangers of social media for children, online predators and some pushing to raise the age to get on the sites. great concern for so many parents all over the country, gillian. what is the big take away from the hearing? >> the big question the panel has been asking, how young, sandra, is too young for social media and today's witnesses are painting a very dark picture of americas kids and teens and doing online. how much worse these effects are on girls. listen. >> my depression was incredibly acute and issues with disordered eating remember rampant. i heard the buzz of a notification and i had the response to instantly grab for it and in that moment i asked why, why was i allowing these

companies to have so much control over me. >> 13 is the age which snapchat, instagram, tiktok and facebook allow kids on to their platforms. surgeon general said recently he believes that is way too young. turns out for good reason, listen to this. >> the most staggering increase we faced was self-generated sexual abuse videos of children, 7, 8 and 9, a post named the art of seduction that explained how to seduce children that has been read more than 54,000 times. >> turns out the younger a person is, the harder to control their own interactions on social media. >> they are biologically incapable of stopping themselves from incessant use of these platforms. that vulnerability is being exploited by these platforms. >> republican john kennedy says social media plays to the very worst aspects of human nature. >> i would say that social media

has lowered the cost of being an a-hole. people say things on social media that they would never say in an interpersonal exchange. >> about half a dozen draft bills out there right now that deal with these issues. senator josh hawley is leading the pack with his proposal that bans social media for all kids under 16. sandra. >> sandra: incredibly important story, affecting so many people, thank you for joining us. john. >> john: joining us to talk more about this and the covid vaccine suggestion for kids, dr. nicole saphier, board certified radiologist, assistant professor at memorial sloan kettering cancer center and medical college, and mollie hemingway, and fox news contributor. so, doc, minimum age of 16 to use social media. good idea, bad idea? >> well, john, i think it's a

great idea. pew research center says 97% of all adolescence check their social media feeds every day. demonstrated that social and brain behaviors are directly affected by social media use. we saw the rise in depression and anxiety rates before covid, but i can tell you one of the biggest domestic policy errors that happened during this time was keeping kids home from school and that caused the drastic rise of using social media, and there are so many studies, a direct correlation between social media use, depression, anxiety, suicide, and a true public health emergency and i think putting restrictions on this is an absolutely good idea. >> john: the study from the centers for disease control, high school students feeling sad or hopeless, girls 57%, in 2011, 36%. increase, mollie, and boys,

2011, 21%, a rise, but not the same as girls. they are particularly affected by the issues. >> staggering increase for the mental health problems for young women. it's bad for both men and women, or boys and girls. but whether or not you actually have government restrictions on social media for teenagers or whether companies put limits on, i think parents need to love their children more and care more about them. there is no way that young people, either boys or girls, can handle some of the very addictive technology and they have no way of understanding the consequences of what they are writing or, you know, what is being shared. it is, you talk to educators or parents, they will tell you, it's a real crisis and again, regardless of whether the government gets involved, parents need to take more responsibility here. >> john: the covid vaccine, the centers for disease control recommending covid vaccines along the dtap, mmr vaccines, not mandating it, the states and school districts have to do that, but the suggestion of the

covid vaccine up there with other vaccines, something you take issue with. >> absolutely. and she is right, parental involvement, when they have incorporated the covid vaccine into the routine childhood vaccinations as though they are equivalent in importance. i was a microbiologist before going to medical school, so look at risk and age risk assessment to give my children and right, with the shingles vaccine, and other vaccines, and by linking covid to the other childhood vaccines, the single -- [inaudible] >> john: you are a parent, you are a parent, too, how do you make the decision whether or not to go with the covid vaccine? >> again, by putting it on the schedule, less likely to take

the vaccines they should. like dr. saphier says, you need to understand the purpose of the vaccine, and what the risks are if you get covid and for the vast majority of young children the risks of getting covid are very small, and so unless there is a particular health concern that would change it. also the issue that state and local governments say that they make the requirements for what vaccines you have based on what the cdc schedule is. they say we are not mandating this, it's the have i -- vicious loop. >> john: and we saw the cdc recommend something and the states adopt it. thanks for joining us today. appreciate it. what do you think, sandra? >> sandra: i was going to go back to the story on social media, the question obviously is this should be left up to the parents or should the government step in with some sort of ban on a certain age group for the social media, and that's tricky, too, to say, you know, should be left up to the parents, john. because the parents, if the

parents say, perhaps you have more experience with this with slightly older kids, the parents say to the kids, ok, there's no social media, there's an isolation component to that from what i hear from the parents who decide to do that. they don't see what's going on socially, a lot of the school interactions happen on social media, they don't see that communication happening, so it's tough, it's really tough because it's prevalent. >> john: what we do with our kids. we let them have their ipads for a certain amount of time during the week, not every day, they are allowed to go on chat groups and things that we monitor, but not allowed to do social media. >> sandra: very good, good dad. >> john: never tiktok, never. >> sandra: everybody has their things and parents have to keep their eyes on all of this. john, thank you. and every senator got the briefing this morning on the object shot down over the u.s. and canadian air space, so the big question is, what was

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>> sandra: a live look at the white house briefing, the american people still getting very little information about those objects taken out of the sky earlier this week, and last week, senators this morning received a classified briefing on those objects that were shot down. real quickly, she just took a question on this in the briefing room, we have one of the senators in the classified briefing, bill haggerty in a moment. >> look at the process, look how we track, look how we decide to take action, and see if there's anything else that needs to be done so there will be updated protocols, if you will, by the end of this week. that's that question. the first one, look, you know,

again, you've heard from secretary austin on this, you've heard from dod on this, heard from my national security council colleagues, again, as you all know, the objects that were shot down were in the civilian air space kind of flying low elevation, and so it was shot down, they were shot down because we are taking abundance of caution. we wanted to make sure americans were safe, wanted to make sure that the civilian aircraft flying above and in our air space were safe, and that's why they were taken down. the three objects, as you all know, they are now being recovered, the weather conditions have prevented for the pentagon to go out there and get those objects, but they are going to continue to try, we are going to continue to be vigilant on getting these -- getting the debris, but in the many time as you just mentioned, the benign

statement, intelligence community did say that they are considering or looking at this to be potentially benign, but of course, we want to make sure that we get the objects or the debris from the objects to be more clear, so we can get a sense of what the objects were for certain. >> and secondly on cpi, the numbers came out today that show -- >> sandra: we are going to continue monitoring the briefing at the white house. first questions, she took two questions from that reporter on these unidentified objects. let's hope we can get some more information from bill haggerty, one of the senators in the briefing, the classified briefing this morning, a member of the foreign relations committee. we are waiting on new information, we have not gotten a lot from the president on this. can you tell us anything that you learned this morning so that the american people can try to understand why these unidentified objects are flying

through the sky, u.s. takes them down and we learn nothing about them? >> sandra, i cannot go into the details of what came out in the classified briefing, but a desperate need for transparency, the biden administration thinks the people need to be coddled. it came from communist china, they knew that, yet came through our air space for days. >> sandra: we know the other objects were chinese-owned? >> sorry, we don't know -- when we don't know the origin we take it down right away, when it comes from china we don't shoot it down. so many contradictory aspects. biden administration needs to step up and share. and if they don't know, if

that's the case. >> sandra: we did get some updates about the briefing today, i'm looking through there and i don't learn a whole lot more than we knew previously. without disclosing exactly what you learned, did you learn anything else about these objects? >> no, i certainly did in terms of our capability and the adjustments that the american military have made to address this going forward. and i think you see this now, their ability to monitor these objects, etc., has changed significantly since they have encountered this and began to make some adjustments to how they are operating. but the same time, there needs to be a clear picture of how the biden administration reacts to it. because what we have seen in the initial instance with the ccp balloon, their reaction time was very, very slow. way too slow, and they allowed the balloon to invade our sovereignty and traverse our air space. you think about the ccp invading

the southern border, shipping fentanyl into the country and killing hundreds of thousands of people we do nothing about it in the administration. origins of covid, no accountability. we need to demonstrate strength. >> sandra: a couple things here, senator, we are learning more, the briefing is happening at the white house, karine jean-pierre was asked a moment ago, when is the president going to brief the american public on this, you just called on him to do so. her response, he's going to continue to take this very seriously, but no confirmation he will be speaking directly to the american public on it. she did seem to break a bit of news right at the top on the first question we did play, we took live, senator, and said there would be updated protocols by end of week. updated protocols on taking down these unidentified objects if it happens again. is that something you learned this morning in the briefing that there are new protocols for this? >> what i can say from the briefing is that the american military looking very closely at

what they can do, what they should do, what their capabilities are and where their gaps that may exist. that should produce a natural outcome of that, would be protocols to help to address it. i can't confirm the specifics of that, given the fact it was classified briefing. >> sandra: let me ask you something. obviously on the senate foreign relations committee you could have knowledge of this. i mean, is there any way for congress to step in here, if president biden can't get a response from china on who owned the other unidentified objects, can congress push harder then to get in touch with our chinese counterparts to have them confirm or deny this? it's hard for me to believe that we are still not confirming to the american public who owned these objects that were taken out of the sky by our military. >> well, it's very concerning to me that our military connections don't work with china. i think you know i was u.s. ambassador to japan in the previous administration. our job is to maintain close connectivity, certainly at a

military level to deconflict issues and the fact secretary austin cannot get a phone call returned from his counterpart in china, it's a major problem with the relationship right now. congress can call on the administration to do it but it's the domain of diplomacy and largely that should be held by the executive branch. >> sandra: are you worried there's going to be more of these? >> i'm concerned about it, i think the american people is concerned bit. and heard about the russians flying the sorte into our air space. >> can i ask you about that? it appears that the administration is putting this out here, you are breaking a bit of news that we just got, and that is that two norad f-16 fighter jets intercepted four russian aircraft near alaska yesterday. but then the statement that follows that is that these are routine operations that are not related to the high altitude objects in recent weeks.

is it routine for two norad f-16 fighter jets to intercept four russian aircraft in u.s. air space? >> well, let me say this. when i was ambassador to japan, it was routine russia would test japanese air space and dealt with in the same manner. routine way to deal with the test of our sovereignty. russians have witnessed what's happened in the past couple of weeks. >> sandra: norad anticipated the russian activity it further states and as a result of our planning they were prepared to intercept it. that is quite something. we'll continue to dig into that, but we are told these are routine operations. senator, thank you very much. >> sandra, they should always be prepared to intercept these sort of sortes, i think it's standard operating procedure to be prepared. but the fact they came is a direct result of the violation of the sovereignty china demonstrated over the last

couple weeks. >> john: air defense identification zone, not actually in u.s. air space. it was a rush bear, su-35 stealth aircraft, fifth generation, upgrade of the se-27. f-16s went up, a couple of f-35s as well, a tanker and awacs aircraft. they fly in the identification zone, don't actually penetrate u.s. air space, i don't want to say they are chased away by the american planes, but the american planes are put up there to say don't come any further and then they turn around and go back. there's plenty of video of that happening in the past but it is interesting the same whether we have so many things flying over the united states that we are shooting down, the russians would choose now to do this. >> sandra: alaskan region of the north american aerospace defense command where those were detected.

we are told karine jean-pierre is getting pounded by questions, and refuses to answer many of them. >> said that won't happen and after so he's going to reach out. we're all going to reach out to those very members, those congressional members in congress and see how -- what's the next step that we can take. again, the democrats have the votes to get in done, to meet us at the table and get in done. >> the timeline in terms of the interagency group could have -- agreeing on protocols, have a better idea on protocols, what is it exactly and will those be public or presented? >> you'll hear from us when those protocols are completed or we'll lay those out. >> sandra: as expected, shows facing tough questions. not getting a lot of answers,

john. we'll continue to monitor the press briefing. >> john: one of the things that she was being asked, when is the president going to talk about this. she didn't have a timetable for that. she basically said don't panic. >> sandra: got it. >> john: see where it goes. >> sandra: we'll try not to. a lot going on. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" with martha starts right now. >> martha: busy afternoon. thanks very much, guys. good afternoon, everyone. i'm martha maccallum. two breaking stories at 3:00 eastern time this hour. remember this. the freight train full of toxic chemicals derailing and bursting in to flames in ohio. people in that area did evacuate and then they decided to do a controlled release in to a trench of these chemicals and then to light that on fire to prevent what they feared would be a larger explosio