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brand-new at 2:00. hi, sandra. >> sandra: sandra smith in new york. right into a jam packed hour with this fox news alert. >> faa has been charged with modernizing notam for ten years. why has it taken ten years? >> we have been on a journey of modernization. >> let me ask again, why has it taken ten years and why is it still not done. >> it does take a while. these systems -- the complexity. >> everyone shut down the first time since 9/11. >> john: acting head of the faa getting grilled on capitol hill over the air travel debacle, the first nationwide ground stop since the september 11th attacks. >> sandra: faa says it is now taking steps to avoid a repeat of that massive system failure but already several incidents of near collisions have travelers rethinking their next trips. >> john: even some lawmakers

questioning the agency's priorities, listen here. >> do you believe that that is your mission at the faa to mitigate climate change and increase equity, is that your job at the faa? >> i believe it's all of our jobs to address climate change and one we take seriously. >> the faa head saying climate change should be the mission of everyone. most passengers look for safety when they take off. >> john: including our next guest who was bracing for impact when his flight plunged toward the ocean after takeoff, coming within 800 feet of the sea. he recounts the horrifying moment he and his family experienced coming up. >> sandra: but first, how many split second near collisions so far this year, it is only mid february. >> not too far, and at least six of these high profile aviation incidents involving domestic commercial flights since the beginning of this year, three in

january, and three already this month. all are under investigation, but half of the cases are especially frightening because they involved near misses, like the one in austin, texas, on february 3rd. this is a simulation showing what happened there, a fedex cargo plane and a southwest airlines jet dangerously close, possibly only 100 feet of one another. this after an air traffic controller cleared both flights to land and take off on the same runway at virtually the same time. two weeks prior in hawaii, the ntsb says a united airlines 777 crossed a runway at honolulu's airport just as a small cessna plane was coming in for a landing. then on january 13th at new york's j.f.k. airport, delta airlines plane, remember, had to abort the takeoff after an american airlines jet accidentally crossed in front of it. faa calls it rare cases, it will

revamp precautionary measures. >> safest period in aviation history but we do not take that for granted. we must continue to invest in our aviation system. >> the most recent at lax in california, american airlines jet collided with a shuttle bus. five people were hurt. at least one airline worker was taken to the hospital. sandra. >> sandra: wow, a lot to happen in a short period of time. thank you, john. >> john: just learning about one close call that sent a jumbo jet nose diving toward the ocean, december 18th on a flight out of maui, just now coming to light as the ntsb is going to investigate. it began the initial climb over the pacific ocean.

the jet packed with families returning home after a holiday vacation in hawaii. before the plane even reached 3,000 feet, something went wrong, it sent it plunging toward the sea. you can see this radar track here from flight radar 24, altitude drop, 20 terrifying seconds, and less than 800 feet from crashing into the sea. it eventually reached the normal cruising altitude, continued to san francisco without anymore incidents, arrived there early. united says the pilot reported the incident and the pilots received additional training. neither they nor the feds have revealed what caused that terrifying close call. our next guest was on that flight with his wife and two young kids. rod williams joins us now.

you took off from the island of maui, apparently it was storming, heavy rain, a little more than 2,000 feet in the air, what happened then? >> yeah, once we hit about 2,000 feet the nose actually, i'm hoping the graphs will display as well, the nose actually -- attitude pitched up severely for a couple brief seconds and then dropped severely, we entered into a dive. >> john: you can see it on the flight radar 24 track it's climbing a normal climb and takes a little bump up as you describe and then looks like a roller coaster going down before it recovers again. you were there with your wife and two kids in the back of the plane. could you see out the window that the ocean was suddenly rushing up on you? >> no, and that was probably a little bit of a silver lining. with the storms and the stuff in the area, we were in pretty thick cloud cover, so had we known what was below us, i guarantee the cabin would have

been a lot more frantic. i think most people, speaking for myself, i thought i was higher up in the air than what the reports show. >> john: so what went through your mind, what was going on in the cabin at the time? >> yeah, so you know, i'm a little bit of an analytical person, and some aviation education, my first thoughts were about we were about to encounter a stall, you can't be in that pitch for extended period of time. the counter measures would be to drop the nose and pick up speed and that's what happened. as i'm seeing it unfold the concern is growing, i understand the pilots are taking counter measures to keep us in the air. so at that point, you know, the screams are continuing. >> so there were a lot of people who were very upset, i take it in the cabin, didn't know what was going on. >> absolutely. i think they said it was about

2.7gs what was felt when it pulled up, and you could feel every one of them. >> as you were plunging down, you will just seen the flight safety video, ok, the life jackets are where, and what do i do, and what -- what needs to happen should this plane go in the ocean? >> i mean, all the thoughts are going through your mind in a rapid pace and i think first and foremost you just brace on to your faith and understand that the prayers that you pray would be answered, i'm looking over at my wife and both praying under our breath, and severity of the situation you don't know what is going to happen but come to terms with what could happen. >> at any point did you think this could be it? >> it crossed my mind. you are hoping it's not, right, that you'll see your family again, but as the plane is screeching downward at an ever increasing rate, the plane was picking up speed, 300 miles an

hour at one point in that dive, you are definitely, the thought has crossed your mind. is this it, you know, reciting the lord's prayer, all these things. >> john: wow. your faith may have helped pull you out of this, what did the pilots say when they came on the intercom afterwards? >> it was quiet for a little bit. until, i would say, something like that, i think a lot of people wanted an answer right away, but obviously we had to wait until we got to a stable altitude and at that point someone in the cockpit got on the intercom and they said well, folks, you experienced a couple gs on that one, everything is going to be fine, everything is ok, though. >> john: wow, a couple of gs and a heart rate of about 180 at that point. why are we just hearing about this now? >> well, again, i think a lot has to do with situational awareness for a lot of the cabin. we -- you know, again, we didn't really know how close we were to

the ocean, so you know, you experience a lot of turbulence, turbulence -- that's one thing. this was obviously more severe than that, but without knowing your proximity, i think, you know, we also realized, too, going to hawaii is a bucket list item so to come home and scare people from going there, you know, we got home safely, kudos to the flight and the crew, you know, as far as keeping the cabin calm. they did everything they could to keep everybody at ease, and obviously we are going to figure out what the cause was, but regardless i'm thankful that the pilot and the crew and everybody was able to rely on their expertise, their training to be able to get us out of that harrowing situation. >> john: hopefully they gave you a few free drinks too calm everybody down on the way back. pretzels, too. rod, we are glad you made it and see what the investigation yields. >> thank you.

>> john: sandra, another incident that same night, more than two dozen people were hurt on a hawaiian airlines flight that encountered turbulence as they head toward maui. >> sandra: some people like him will remain calm about that kind of thing, others will scream and fear for their lives. i mean -- just -- horrifying, john. >> john: it shows the importance of faith. he and his wife were praying that they were going to make it through and they did. >> sandra: amen. john, you have flown all over the world so much, you must have had somewhere something happen. >> john: the worst flight leaving nice for london and took off in a thunder snowstorm and i thought we would crash into the mountains. >> sandra: a sign you shouldn't have left the south of france. >> john: the weather was horrible. i was actually happy to leave. >> sandra: from the air to the full-fledged train catastrophe

monitoring that happened on the ground in the last two weeks. and the big question now is, where is the transportation secretary? and why is there not more help for these people? >> john: plus the irs is cooking up a new plan and folks who make their living on tips may be the target. >> looking at 87,000 new irs agents, the promise was that not going to come after anybody that makes less than $400,000. so we are not doing what the chairman had said, well, going after millionaires and billionaires, this is going after waiters and waitresses. >> as you can imagine, larry kudlow has a couple things to say about that. he's getting warmed up and joins us coming up next. n homeowners: making a big car payment every month? car loans can be expensive and the payments high. consolidate that car loan into a newday home loan and save hundreds every month. we handcraft every stearns & foster® using the finest materials, like indulgent memory foam,

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>> john: president biden pick to

lead the irs in the hot seat on capitol hill. listen to this exchange with republican senator john barrasso on protecting taxpayers. >> the american people have seen examples of political targeting, weaponization of the tax code. would you be supportive of legislation codifying your prominence, additional -- >> i appreciate the question. i will share with you i believe the role of the irs commissioner is not to opine on whether to support a piece of legislation. >> john: so daniel warfold, the nominee, did say he's committed to not more audits on folks making under $400,000, but stopped short of legislation that would do just that. this matters because the irs is considering some proposals that may amount to a new tax on lower earners, like a new plan targeting the tip jar.

that's right, waiters and waitresses who live off tips could soon be under new tax scrutiny. the irs promised to use a new $80 billion taxpayer fund to crack down on the rich. critics say it doesn't sound like they are cracking down on the rich. larry kudlow has got reaction in just moments. but first lydia hu live in a restaurant in montclair, new jersey, speaking to servers firs firsthand. what do folks at the restaurant think? >> hi there, john, they think it's a pointless exercise, they say 95% of their tips are already processed through credit card transactions, so they are accounted for and tracked in that way. take a listen to this. the owner of this diner here, watch. >> a lot better places the irs could be focusing, you know, you hear in one breath it's high net worth individuals, then the

other breath they are looking into servers and their tips and restauranteurs, don't need the help, i didn't ask for the help, i don't need anymore government in my business, there already is enough. >> now, john, a public comment period through may on this irs proposal to create a voluntary reporting system to track service industry tips. after that, business owners could choose to participate in the program. a spokesperson for the irs said in a statement to fox business last week "this is not a proposal for the auditing of servers" and went on to say a proposal for comment is based on over a decade of feedback from restaurants and other businesses seeking the increased flexibility for their overall tax compliance on tips. now, to give us an idea who could be impacted here, there are about 5.3 million people employed in full service restaurants in the country, waiters and waitresses earn on

average less than $30,000 a year and john, one final point here, the owner of this restaurant says after navigating her businesses through the pandemic, inflation and labor shortages, she feels she does not need or want more oversight from the irs to track tips, john. >> john: you wonder sometimes what makes them choose the battles that they do. not quite sure. lydia hu for us, montclair, new jersey. thank you. >> sandra: larry kudlow is here as promised, thanks for stopping here before your show tonight. >> thank you. >> sandra: is this a further sign that this administration is hurting the very group of people they say they are out to help the most? >> actually, yes, interesting point. lydia's report is right. this whole idea that they were going to go after billionaires and whatever, millionaires, they are not going to get them. they have very good tax lawyers, ok, they'll never touch them.

they will wind up going after waitresses, waiters, cooks, cab drivers, who knows. it's all people in the gig economy, tends to be lower people, it's people that need tips, ok, you are not supposed to go after that stuff. it's a typical example, you know, liberals always want to go after rich people, and it always back fires on them. government intentions always backfire on them. >> sandra: bill cassidy summed it up like this. >> we always hear they need more information systems, billions, hundreds of millions, put it that way. why is it always they need more. how come that is never enough? i don't know, but the taxpayer i think is getting hosed on this. >> sandra: the taxpayer is getting hosed, why is it always they need more. meanwhile, fox news alert, this just in, larry, the congressional budget office

long-awaited report here has just come out now, and said the u.s. treasury will exhaust its ability to pay all its bills some time between july and september of this year unless the current 31.4 trillion cap on borrowing is either raised or suspended. so, to sum it up, the cbo is saying the u.s. could face a debt ceiling crisis this summer. >> yes, well, let's make a deal. by the way, we have not heard -- kevin mccarthy met with the president, nothing was decided but at least they met. we have not heard about a second date. i don't know what, you know -- i think mccarthy gave biden his phone number, that happens sometimes, you may not get the call. i thought maybe they would go to a drive-in movie, something like that, a cup of coffee. it's a joke, you can smile for those that ever went to a drive-in movie. >> sandra: the number of times

we gave our phone numbers. >> that's right, you can give the number but don't know they are going to make the call. about time to get together again and about time for everybody to get moving on this. i think they will. look, the republican house will not relent. they are going to combine any increase in the debt ceiling with spending restraints, new spending caps with sequestration penalties across the board, automatic cuts, they are going to do it so get ready. look at these numbers on cbo. they are talking about here, at the end of the ten years, and we just got this hot off the press, the deficit rises to $2.7 trillion. ok. but 1.4 trillion and 1.6 trillion and 2.7 trillion, as a share of gdp, the deficit rises up to 7% at the end of the period. total spending as a share of gdp

holds at 24, up to 25%. historically, that should run about 19 or 20%, and there's no growth in the economy. stagnant economy, 1.8%, less than 2%. >> sandra: spending all this money and not resulting in growth. >> inflation rates are way too low, all the spending will push -- you are jamming money into bank accounts, no work requirements, federal will have to monetize it, and that's at stake, the debt ceiling is so important. they should do it as a continuing resolution and i think you are going to get a solid proposal from the budget committee. >> sandra: this week the president bragged about cutting the deficit in his first two years in office. we are set to hear from president biden any moment now as he is going to be speaking on jobs and touting the economy,

larry, in this speech at union hall in suburban maryland, he is going to, and is expected to accuse republicans of pushing him to agree to spending cuts while their own plans would add more than $3 trillion to the debt. >> where does he get that 3 trillion number, and they should push him to spending cuts. you want to get the inflation rate down and all these spending programs come with massive regulatory strings telling people, you know, biden is a control freak, that was the whole state of the union message. he reeled off motels, hotels, cell phones, baggage, how to sit in an airplane, the list -- end less, it's a list -- this is central planning, modern-day socialism. this is big government socialism. stop the central planning, let entrepreneurs run, stop running after kids working and going after their tips, by the way.

>> sandra: watch the growth take off. >> run for president, a let's platform than anything i've heard before. fabulous, absolutely fabulous. it was great. >> sandra: i could never say it a second time. create a business friendly environment. >> why is that so hard? democrats used to be for that a long time ago. >> sandra: economic team shake-up, what's your top line thought on that? >> they are very smart people. i don't know ms. brainerd at all. i know jared bernstein, we disagree on everything but he's a lovely human being. and then another austin goldzby would probably be the most moderate person that joe biden has appointed in two years of his presidency. >> sandra: he's got a good sense of humor too.

>> when he's not being overpolitical. it's not personal. never personal. i just disagree with what the bidens of doing. >> sandra: larry, you are the best. see you at 4:00 on fbn. >> john: u.s. officials say they know exactly when the spycraft left china but not everything that happened after that. what they are telling fox news about tracking beijing's spying eyes. >> sandra: and is transportation secretary pete buttigieg, is he fit for the job? where is he? critics say it's clearer by the day the answer is no as problem after problem pops up under his watch. we have invited him on the program. so far, no appearance yet. marc thiessen took us up on it. he says the transportation secretary never seems to be there when you know what hits the fan. he's next. no. he's making real-e money moves with merrill. so no matter what the market's doing, he's ready. and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill,

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>> sandra: a lot of pushback on a new report claiming the u.s.

tracked the chinese spycraft for its entire flight. white house and the pentagon officials telling fox news that is not exactly possible. what we are now learning on all of that with jennifer griffin, people are so hungry for more information on what we learned about the chinese spycraft. what do we now know today? >> well, it's interesting, sandra. my sources at the pentagon and white house say they have been generally aware of the chinese spy balloon program for months and briefed congress about it back in august. these officials say they saw this particular balloon take off on january 21st. assumed it would travel east because that is the direction of the winds. they did not have visibility the whole time as it traversed the ocean, the pacific ocean is a big place, i'm told, from this official, and they were not able to track it the whole time. they picked it up again closer to alaska as it approached on

january 28th. "the washinton post" reported yesterday the surveillance balloon that flew across alaska and the continental united states may have been averted by atypical weather conditions, i'm told that's a chinese talking point. at any point they could have steered it out of the winds. the balloon loitered over sensitive sites in montana. no sense it was just being carried by winds. they were briefed on the balloon before it crossed into alaska, not to say u.s. intelligence did not see it take off on january 21st, it did. a lot of attention is paid to the island because of the chinese military bases there. today at nato headquarters, lloyd austin said the u.s. has not found the debris from the other three objects shot down since friday because it's over

such difficult terrain. >> i'm not aware of any ad additional objects in the last 48 hours. >> austin said the u.s. and canadian militaries are still looking, but they may never find the debris given the size and location of its downing. >> sandra: jen, thank you. john. >> john: president biden speaking in maryland on the economy, keeping an eye on that. we expect he's going to take a victory lap on the economy, even as americans continue to strug well inflation at 6.4%. crises pile up, many under the helm of transportation secretary pete buttigieg and the latest flap from a lack of response from secretary buttigieg after the train derailed in ohio leaking toxic chemicals into the environment. a mother near the site spoke to

us last hour. >> people investigating have the giant hazmat suits on but somehow it's safe for the people to go back to these homes. only evacuated a mile outish. >> john: marc thiessen, former speech writer to george w. bush and he's here. unlike pete buttigieg, marc is here. he has not been talking about the train derailment, but at the association of counties, talking about climate change, racial equity in the labor market, he was also talking about infrastructure, none of which had anything to do with this train derailment that has people in eastern ohio terrified. >> absolutely. his middle name must be waldo, no one can find him. every time the guano hits the

fan, he's nowhere to be. he was in portugal during other cries and now awol. ilhan omar is calling him out, and j.d. vance. now when they are in agreement, you are not doing a good job in your job, you are probably not doing a very good job. >> john: should he be going out there? he's tweeted about it. shouldn't the transportation secretary go out there to ohio, at least walk around a little bit, talk to a few folks and say we are on the case here. >> he's the chief railroad regulator, that's what he is. you would think he would show up on the scene and be having a hands on role. he's nowhere to be found and as you pointed out, does an event and does not mention it. he's talking about climate change, and racial disparities, great for a future presidential candidate but his i don't know is to manage the crisis. you ought to look at ron

desantis. he's able to run for president and do the kinds of things to do to energize the base, but when the crisis hits, he stops and does his job. >> john: desantis does all that and not even running for president. july of last year a column said in order for the biden administration to recalibrate and move forward, a few heads need to roll. won't biden fire anyone. so desperate for a midterm reset, may spark vote for change. the current crew is not instilling any confidence, no one got fired and ron klain said in an exit interview with the new yorker said no one has pushed out. allowed people to know we are just in this and keep getting better and we are going to keep improving and so on and so forth. not firing people also allows incompetence to flourish. >> this president has unleashed

an unprecedented number of disasters. worst border crisis in american history, mayorkas on the job. highest gas prices in american history, energy secretary on the job. the african withdrawal, the worst foreign policy debacle, everybody who responsible is on the job. the education crisis, lost two decades of progress in reading and math, education secretary. nobody, and the reason for it is they did better than they expected in the midterms. joe biden actually produced the best result of a first midterm of any president since j.f.k. except for bush after 9/11, and that has put off the reckoning. they think people were voting for them, when they were rejecting the republican alternative. >> john: good to get your thoughts. i hope your son does well on his hockey games this weekend. >> thank you very much, go

amherst. >> john: nobody getting fired, they are on the job, they leave when they want to leave. the way the biden administration goes. >> sandra: and record high inflation is touted by the president, a live look at president biden in maryland where he is, you know, you are hearing a lot of what you've heard from president biden in the past. he's taking on wall street, touting unions, his infrastructure plan, talking trains most recently, but seems to be taking a victory lap on his economic policies, john, while we are looking at a massive deficit building in this country and still record high inflation that has a lot of american families struggling in this moment. >> john: when the treasury department says it won't be able to pay its bills as of a date this summer and you look, the debt is $31.5 trillion, you think something is going in the wrong direction here. i remember at the end of the

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>> sandra: a north korean defector issuing a stark warning

about woke ideology in american classrooms. she defected from the regime as a young teen before seeking refuge in the united states. the columbia university alumna describes intolerance in the classroom is shocking, saying it's leading down the path of north korea if we don't change course. she has a new book. welcome to you. and you just graduated two years ago. you are getting this look at america since you arrived here in 2015, and specifically in the classroom. what is your experience, what have you seen and what is your warning? >> yes, so when i came to america having no idea, i thought it was a free country, where individuals can have different thoughts and opinions. when i started university at columbia university i couldn't

believe, they were exactly the same, saying the same things my teachers tell me in north korean classroom. >> remarkable. >> sandra: what specifically, can you give us some idea what you were hearing inside the classroom that leads you to say this? >> so they said all the problems that we have in the world is because of the greedy capitalism and western civilization and white man. that was the exact same thing my north korean teachers told me, all the evils was because of u.s.a. and capitalism, and columbia, the only solution to the communist revolution. we need to dismantle the system in the name of equity. >> sandra: your journey is remarkable. i just mentioned, you came here in 2015, fleeing your country. can you give us a little bit of an idea what that was like for you? defecting? >> yeah, i was escaping from north korea at 13, i didn't even

know what freedom was, i was escaping for a bowl of rice, we were starving. i arrived in china i was sold as a sex slave for $200 and they sold my mother for $65, and while we are speaking right now, 300 north korean girls in china who are slaves. so asking everybody i met in hollywood, big tech, they say they are denouncing slavery, that slavery is wrong and they say that silence is a violence, so i've been asking them, can you speak up for the women who are victimized. organs are harvested out of them, and as if i'm a cruel person, they are making money out of ccp, nobody in america will stand up for the north korean people. >> sandra: you are using your voice, you arrive here, you end up going to an ivy league university. how did you accomplish that in such a short period of time? >> oh, i was reading books and

books, i was studying and internet and i was in south korea and came to america but i did not expect columbia was a place they were going to cure my intellectual curiosity. >> sandra: you are passionate about the woke ideology gripping this nation right now. what is your message to americans who have not woken up to that yet? >> yeah, i think that's why i'm here, i have a son, i'm raising a child in america who is american, and i became american last year. >> sandra: congratulations. >> i remember the interview asking me have you ever persecuted anybody for their political opinion in my exam, i said no. if i said yes, i could not become american. but censored for speaking out against socialism and getting youtube, and facebook, twitter, shadow banned, and persecuting

people for their political opinion is not an american thing. these people don't have any idea what it means to be american. and they will destroy this country, the goodest country i've ever seen, and this is a miracle to me and they will throw this away, they don't understand what actual oppression looks like. >> sandra: but still a country a little girl can defect from, north korea, arrive here, get a topnotch education and attempt to share that message with the american public. you have been on a remarkable journey. thank you for stopping here today. we'll certainly follow you. thank you very much for joining us. our best to you. >> thank you. >> john: a fight brewing in washington as the feds work to clean up a hot bed of drugs and crime. so, who is arguing against the crackdown? we'll tell you, that's ahead. >> sandra: but first up, john, a live look, that is kansas city where the super bowl winning chiefs are getting their moment

and the champion treatment. temperatures in the 30s, not keeping fans from coming out. huge crowds to celebrate the victory. >> supervisor bowl lvii, the kansas city chiefs!

>> john: just before we close out the show, tmz is reporting that at the age of 82, the

person hailed many times as the most beautiful woman in the world, raquel welch has died. she was the star of many films in the 60s and 70s and became sort of synonymous with glamour and beauty in this nation and around the world for that matter. wow, what a figure she cut, too, through all the decade. now according to tmz, jo raquel welch has passed away at the age of 82. >> sandra: tmz reporting that she died after a brief illness. no more given than that. we remember some of her back-to-back roles where she rose to fame. fantastic voyage, 1 million years b.c. we remember raquel welch. tmz reporting she's dead at the age of 82. >> john: one of her most famous roles, myra breckenridge in which she played a transsexual man that wanted to become a

woman. the producer said if a man would want to become a woman, he would want to be raquel welch. >> sandra: huge career, huge life. she will be missed. thanks to everybody for joining us. another jam packed show. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. we'll see you again time for friday eve. "the story" with martha starts right now. >> martha: thanks, john and sandra. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. breaking right now on "the story," we're about to speak with ohio's governor, mike dewine, exclusively the man to ask about what happened in this train derailment, the explosion that followed afterwards and are people really safe to go back home in that area. we'll speak with him in a moment. 12 days ago, this massive derailment and the explosion of chemicals, toxic and potentially cancer causing according to what some of the chemicals are. we know animals have bee