rachel: we're going to be the back tomorrow ahead of the daytona 500 which starts at i 2:30 eastern time on fox. pete: we've got a lot more live from the daytona poo -- 500. joey logano, denny hamlin, we'll talk to a few more tomorrow, so thanks jr. concern for joining us. will: see you tomorrow. rachel: bye, everybody. [inaudible conversations] scared for their safety before they got here. there's police everywhere here. why can't we get answers from everybody? [inaudible conversations] >> is everybody satisfied with my answer? >> no! neil: and they're still asks ths two weeks after that toxic fireball in ohio. so much we don't know, here is what we do: representatives from

fema, the ckc and and health and human services are heading to east palestine as we speak today. but despite additional assurance, resident fears are mounting and mounting fast. they're still reporting illnesses, they're still suffering symptom from the air, and many are still worrying about the safety of the water that's right around them. we're going to the hear from members of the community today. we'll also hear on a separate issue from house foreign affairs committee chairman mike mccall, why he's not at all satisfied with the handling of this chinese spy craft and the three objects we've shot down since. and former secretary of state mike pom mike pompeo, the current secretary, antony blinken, could have a chance to meet with his chinese counterpart this very weekend. will he take it, should he take it, and what if he doesn't take it? we'll ask mike pompeo himself. welcome, everybody, glad to see you, i'm neil cavuto. let's go to east palestine where

we'll find our lucas tomlinson. >> reporter: neil, things are improving slowly. an about face fema says it will deploy a small team here to east palestine. we also heard yesterday from ohio governor mike dewine who says hhs and cdc will deploy fox costs and a medical team to set up a free clinic here in town. we spoke to a resident yesterday who says he still doesn't think the water is safe. >> it's tainted now. and it'll never be the same. i will never let my kids walk in this -- >> reporter: ever? >> -- any of my family members cock -- come near this creek ever again. >> reporter: president biden sent his epa chief here to east palestine to tell people their water and air are safe and clean. the mayor still has his doubts. >> the air, there's definitely, you know, you can definitely smell it. you know, all results of the tests so far say it's the okay

but, you know, people are developing rashes and it's the concerning. >> reporter: ohio senator j.d. vance says he wants norfolk southern railway to pay, not the american taxpayer. in recent days norfolk southern has been handing out $1,000 checks to residents in the east palestine zip coden only. other residents say they're being excluded. some say they live close to the derailment site, some of the locals. even some pennsylvania residents we spoke to are also seeking compensation. of course, we're on the border between ohio and pennsylvania here, and ohio's governor had a message for norfolk southern. >> we're going to insist that they pay. whatever damages have been caused, the railroad is responsible for those damages. >> reporter: former president donald trump is due to visit here in east palestine on wednesday. of course, this is trump country, neil. neil: all right, lucas, thank

you for that. want to go to tracy hager right now in east palestine, ohio, a resident. obviously, she has her concerns, and she's kind enough to join us now. tracy, how are you holding up? >> well, thank you for having me. right now i'm not doing too good. we went down this morning and went to -- [inaudible] because some of these surrounding communities are being helped with assistance and stuff with water, and everybody down there has wells. and on the way back we dropped off some water, and i said let's stop at the creek. and i had to see it for myself. we are, you know, we like to hike, and we go to the park all the time, and is we have to cross this creek several times on the park trail. that's where my kids go and i go, and we're not going there anymore. and now the whole reason why we would even go to the park is taint thed. you know -- tainted. we're set up at our house. we've gotten ourself where we peel safe here, but we're still

watching our family and our friends suffer through this, and there's questions and cleanup. how long is this going to take? that is not safe to me. i don't even know what to say. they're handing out, like, particulate masks. the drinking water, sure, drink it, but they're still telling you it's more safe to the drink bottled water. they're acting like we're rich around here. we're poor, and we're suck of this. if everybody's -- we're sick of this. come here and live for a week and tell us how you feel. we're sick of this already. it's been 1 the, 13 days -- 12, 13 days since we've had on some answers. and, you know, it's suckenning. sickening. every bit of it. neil: tracy, the images you took

with a smartphone of this creek, it kid seem to be a sheen -- did seem to be a sheen on the water, almost residue on the water. we've heard about all of these thousands of fish that have died, and yet the official word even from the governor is that thing are okay, you can go ahead and drink the water maybe not if you have -- >> right now they are. neil: what do you think of it? >> well, right now, they are. you have to give some time for the surface water to go and impact the ground water. i'm just -- what are we, you know, there's questions every cay. every day we have questions about what we are going to do tomorrow. and i'm just wanting to live a normal life again. i don't know what to do. and we're just working through it. i mean, that's all you can do, just be calm, work through it, help your friends and family. that's what we've been doing, we've been kind of, like, you know, offputting our problem here in town by helping others outside now because this is going to affect a little bit

more than what hay think. but that creek and the whole -- that's sickening. we need some more environmental people down here. when are they going to fix that? when do the animals come back? there's snakes, everything's dead that's touched that water. i don't even know. neil: we've heard that the contaminant level is, you know, within safe ranges. this is another thing we were hearing. but the epa, to be sure, isest thing various homes -- is testing various homes. i think 400 homes have been tested, another 28 are supposed to be. i don't know if you're among them. but would you want your homest thed? -- home tested? >> i would take any test anybody would be willing to put on my home. we've done our own measures, and we've went and bought wart coolers, we bought a house filter. we've cone this all on our own just to make ourselves feel safe because we have kids too, you know? we just don't have the resources to just up and move.

people think this is so easy for everybody. so, but, yeah, anybody with a well, you will have to continue to test this over time because this isn't something that's going to happen today or tomorrow. there's going to be issues down the road for a long time about this. neil: it's just amazing. you're holding up, you and your family are to be commended just trying to deal with this when no one seems to be dealing with you. we're going to explore that in greater -- >> well, we get answers -- can. neil: finish that thought, i'm sorry. >> yeah. like, we would -- i don't think we will get the answers we want when we want them, because this is -- look at who we're dealing with. i just can't believe that they're afraid of our town. [laughter] we're a bunch of people thrown into a really bad situation here, and they're afraid of us? neil: are you talking about norfolk southern? >> i appreciate you guys --

anything, anybody in this town. even the epa, he's like if you don't feel safe. give me a break. whatever. [laughter] thank you for having me on though. i appreciate -- all of our towns around here, bessimer, darlington the, they all need your help, sedgewater, send it to the volunteer fire department. we appreciate anything we can get because we don't know what else to do. neil: hang in there, tracy. that seems like a cliche but, man, oh, man, what you're going through. we're going to continue to talk to residents throughout the show to the give you their sort of ground's eye view of what's going on. in the meantime, congressman rick drawford of arkansas joins us -- crawford. an ideal gentleman to have on. congressman, you heard what tracy was saying. no one is getting, is talking or communicating with her, and it's the exasperating. >> it absolutely is.

and the frustration, almost the desperation in her voice and the stories that she's telling is emblematic e of the problem here, the fact that the administration -- and you've got to shine a lighten on secretary buttigieg who has been fairly dismissive and sort of flippant about this whole thing. it's surprising to me that he has yet in almost. two weeks to make an appearance at east palestine. it seems to me like that would be a priority issue, but this is sort of character cannistic of his tenure as secretary. neil: congressman, this seems to echo throughout the chain of authority command, epa says they're kind of limited what they can do, said trust the government, that's coming from the epa administrator. fema really can't do much because this isn't deemed a disaster yet because it's not like a tornado or a hurricane and because norfolk southern is involved, they're sort of the first point of dealing with

this. so for a lot of residents like tracy, they're saying what the hell? >> yeah. no, that's a good point. it's not all about the government. the railroads are owned by the railroads, and so maintenance and operations and things like that, it's different than a highway disaster. i will say that the ntsb has done and is continuing to try to get their arms around this. they've done a good job getting there. i think their response has been pretty good, and i that's typical of the ntsb. the problem is hay don't work as fast as we would like to, and i think probably norfolk southern is waiting on a little more input from ntsb, but in the meantime, you heard that woman saying they don't have access to clean water. if the epa comes in and says your water's good to go but on the other hand, drink bottled weared --water, what kind of confidence are you instilling, number one. number two, they come from a region where, as i do, we don't have a whole lot of folks that

can just go out and stockpile bottled water. we rely on those rural water sources, municipal water sources, and that's the issue here. it sounds to me like that's the issue that she was making as well. we've got to have those resources because we're just not in a position to be able to afford and have the access to, the luxury of bottled water. neil: let me ask you, your colleague from texas, troy knells, was visiting the town yesterday, was in east palestine, and he was sampling the water himself, was drinking it himself to say service the fine. a lot of -- to say service the fine. a lot of residents i talk to are not about to do that. what did you think of it? >> you know what? i would probably come down can on the side of the folks that live there, because this is common in the rural areas, in small towns where you have water issues regardless of a train derailment, sometimes they go through boil orders. this is a common scenario. and i think they've got to have

a degree of comfort in the rural water operators and municipal have to be the ones that say this is safe, and they've9 got to instill that sense of safety to the people that they serve. so, you know, if the folks in east palestine are telling us that they're not comfortable drinking that water, i think we've got to take their word for it. neil: congressman, thank you. we'll see how this sorts out. again, we should remind viewers that representatives from the epa and fema and health and human services are going to be fanning out throughout the area. we don't know exactly what they're looking for. they've already are indicated there's a limit to what they can coas far as disaster leaf and the like, but you've herald and will continue to the hear from residents who say, well, it'd be nice if you kid something, knocked on our doors and tell us what the heck is going on. we'll keep you posted. meantime, we will also be talking to governor mike dewipe on all of this the next tuesday -- dewine to get the latest. by then they should have some of

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today. will they meet? of state, mike pompeo. >> make no mistake, if any object presents a threat to the a safety and security of the american people, i will take it down. >> i still don't understand what our shootdown policy and criteria are, and it can't be that if it's large and flying above civilian air space, we give it a free pass. neil: all right. so we're not getting any clear

indication what our policy is going forward on objects in the sky. you think about it, we had four of them shot down in less than the last two weeks here. that had never happened in american history, you have to go back to pearl harbor if you think about it. at the time, the hawaii wasn't even a state, so this goes back even further. alexandria alexandria hoff on how this is all fanning out in washington. >> reporter: hi, neil. we might not get clear indication of what exactly three of the four objects were. u.s. officials have recommend ared calling off the search. the terrain and weather has been really tough in those locations. according to a joint statement by norad and u.s. northern command, they have used surface sensors and airborne imaging to try and locate the unknown objects to no avail. the statement adds that canadian officials have also not been able to find that third object that was shot down by u.s. military jets over their air space. but the three that were shot down, they were done so swiftly unlike the suspected chinese spy

balloon. but could one of the smaller objects have belonged to the an amateur balloon club? one out of illinois reported a device that had gone missing. if so, was that an overreaction by the administration? here's the white house's john kirby. >> so i'd ask you just for a second put yourself in his shoes. first, certainly in light of the chinese spy balloon and what was a very real, certainly very sizable and tangible security threat, surveillance threat to the united states in the wake of that. so the military fine tunes their radar parameters to see more. >> reporter: they certainly kid see more. but the object recovered, the enormous chinese spy craft shot down two weeks ago, u.s. northern command says its debris will be analyzed by the fbi lab in virginia. the chinese admit that the device was theirs but argue that the biden administration should not have shot it down, and we don't expect to hear any more from the president this weekend.

he is preparing to leave for poland on monday where he will mark the one-year anniversary of russia's invasion with ukraine. neil? neil: all right. thank you for that, alexandria hoff in washington at the white house, as you could see. one of the things we have learned right now is that this whole incident that china started with the balloon in the first placing well, they're the ones that are angry at, yeah, us. they're hanging up on the defense secretary of the united states and foreclosing any possibility of even meeting our secretary of state, antony blinken. here's the killer though, china's equivalent of the secretary of state's counterpart there, they're both in germany, they're both at this munich conference. so you could argue they're only yards apart. they have yet to meet. what because our former secretary of state, mike pompeo, think of that? we'll ask him. like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. with voya, considering all your financial choices together

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neil: all right, i've often said on this show i don't know what mandarin is for huss pa, but the chinese have certainly illustrated that in your face response to the downing of hair spy balloon in the united staten in the united states. they call it violent and unnecessary, incomprehensibly hysterical. that's coming from china's top diplomat, the equivalent of our sec air -- secretary of state. wouldn't you know our secretary of state, antony blinken, both of these guys are in the same place at the same time, yards apart, i'm told, at this munich conference. will they meet, should they meet? mike pompeo, former secretary of state, kind enough to join us. secretary, do you think the two of them should meet? >> neil, good morning, thanks for having me on. i spent a lot of time with wong yi and his colleague, the state

counselor. it's not about the meeting, it's about what it is we deliver. we should never mistake words, gatherings, good feeling, cocktail parties for actual deeds that respond to the threats the chinese communist party is posing, and this balloon is really a symptom the of the biden administration's policies with respect to the china that they have not confronted in a way that is serious and that would cause xi jinping -- wong yi is just an actor, an act of xi jinping concern we haven't confronted the system in a way that will convince them fly a slow-moving balloon over the united states for five days, it's just not something we're going to permit to happen. a meeting, i suppose, is fine, but if it's just to shake hands and say, gosh, we're going to find ways to cooperate, this is the language of the biden administration, that would be an enormous mistake. neil: do you think it borders on groveling though? they were the ones who had this spy balloon, and it was goarchg r going over the u.s. they might call our response

incomprehensible, almost hysterical. he went on to say this is 100% abuse of military force. but they did that, and yet we're the ones apparently trying very hard to open the channels of communiques, but they hang up -- communication, but they hang up, essentially, on the defense secretary, and they nix any other overtures we've made since. >> i wouldn't be looking for a meeting. i wouldn't have the meeting, if it were me. the trump administration, we certainly wouldn't have done that. but if they do, if hay bump into each other at the munich security conference,ed the, be, our response should be determined and real, not just a bunch of words, neil. the most important thing is not the things we say, but the responses that we take directly confronting whats the chinese communist party is doing. we can't forget, you know, they say, well, gosh, we stopped it from jamming us. but for five days the whole world watched america's sovereignty being violated ask if then subsequent to that it appears that we shot down a bunch of things that were

probably a bit of an overreaction to look tough t not about looking tough, neil, it's about being off and actually using deeds, not words, to convince xi jinping that he needs to back off on his enormous efforts to undermine the united states of america. neil: you know, secretary, the "wall street journal" is reporting this morning, and you've heard these reports because they've been out there for a while, they just put pen to paper and some names that trump era officials were, indeed, aware of suspected balloons flying over the u.s. the difference we're told is that pentagon officials didn't inform higher-ups. so it's possible that the secretary of defense, for example, would not have known. now, mark if's per, the former defense secretary i think from 2019-2020 the, says he doesn't recall anything like that to you. >> no, of course not, neil. this is, this is pixie cus the in the air. this is not apples to apples emotely. i did receive a briefing, i

appreciate the biden administration briefing myself, ambassador o'brien, dni rat cliff giving us a little bit of background, and while i can't share all of that, nothing like what happened with this massive balloon over our country happened anytime previously. and what i think they're talking about in terms of some pentagon officials from the intelligence community inside the department of defense is probably pretty typical. there's lots of times there's things folks are working on, they can't quite figure it out, they're not certain, so it doesn't always get reported up. i'm confident secretary esper didn't know about it, none of the secretaries of defense or anyone in the white house knew about this as well. these were fundamentally different actions. they were by the chinese communist party. for the biden administration to somehow suggest, well, trump did it too is just trying to disinform the american people. neil: yeah. and we don't know the veracity of those reports, to your point. but it did raise another issue, and that is is there a history? when you're the secretary of state or the defense secretary

or the cia director, there are a lot of things and you have thousands of people working beneath you who might be gathering intelligence and information, but they don't want to bother you with it or they can't piece it together enough to say they are going to bother you with it. i'm oversimplifying it, but what do you think of that? could something like that happen? >> neil, of course it could. these intelligence agencies, including the one that i ran for a year and a half, they can make mistakes, they can miss things, they can see something and not be able to put it together and not get the right level of alarm raised to the right political level. it can the certainly happen. i don't know of any on my watch where they just missed it or, in fact, didn't get it to the right place. often times i would say things and think, gosh, i'm surprised it actually got to me, there's so much going on. but we were about overcommunicating, making sure we had the chance to make sure we got it right. we trieded to get the right level of certainty. but your point is well taken, neil,st the possible this kind of thing could happen.

there are thousands of activities taking place each and every day, and this is what we train professionals for, the heart of intelligence collection, to make sure that the political leaders get to see the things that can really harm the american people. neil: i know we have an escalated kind of sense of military anxiety now between ourselves and china, but, you know, i deal with a lot of the business issues that come up because i'm a nerd, as you know, secretary -- [laughter] and they're more worried about an economic war developing. when we first targeted six chinese firms, technology firms, and accessibly put them on a don't do business with them list, china responds and because the same, you know, with raytheon and lockheed martin on a separate issue. you get the feeling this could escalate just as the global economy is supposed to be opening up and china, you know, the whole idea, it was shut down, nows the opening up. should that come into the equation here in how we debate dealing with them, or is our view, look, they need us more than we need them?

screw it? >> these are all connected. it's a very good point, whether it's their espionage in our schools and universities or this balloon or the virus they brought across the world, as it comes to economics, the chinese communist party's, frankly, been at war with the american economy for 35 or 40 years, and we've allowed them to walk all over us while our economy has benefited in many ways as well. they've destroyed millions of american jobs, stole billions of dollars. neil, you know this story too well, billions of dollars of american intellectual property. so this conflict between our two economies has been going on for a long time and, frankly, we just haven't responded in a serious way. so when it comes to the american technology and making sure we've protected, make sure that the supply if chains are structured in a way that the american people aren't putting their lives at risk if the chinese communist party decides to do something that i would view as irrational and they view as deeply rational, we need to make sure we get this piece of conflict, the economic piece, right. and when we co, i'm confident that the chinese leadership will see that it's in their best

interests to back down, and we can figure out a way to begin to grow our economies alongside of each other. neil: as you know, nikki haley announced she's running for president, so there is a challenger out there for donald trumpment you've been come templating running yourself. what is the timeline on that? >> still working my way through it. the fact that ambassador haley got in, that's great. everyone's welcome to put their ideas forward and make their case to the american people. next couple of months, neil, susan and i will continue to pray, try and figure it out and, you know, late spring, early summer we'll have sorted our way through it and either be working the ground in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina or back doing the work on behalf of conservatives, the conservative movement just like we've been doing for the last 30 years. neil: all right. we'll watch closely. mike pompeo, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> thank you, neil. have a good saturday. neil: you too. our former secretary of state,

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♪ neil: you were against what he did with disney, and you would not do that yourself. >> oh, absolutely not. look, i don't like the wokism. we need to stand up and fight wokism and cancel culture, but you don't penalize private businesses because they disagree with you politically. >> i roll out of bed, i have people attacking me from all angles. when you're an elected executive the, you have to make all kinds of decisions. you've got to steer that ship. and the good thing is that the people are able to render a judgment on that whether they reelect you or not. >> you do think ambassador hally quit prematurely? >> no, the facts suggest she quit two years into the administration when there was still an enormous amount of work to do. >> america is not past our prime, it's just that our politicians are past theirs. [cheers and applause] neil: we just selected a few of those, but do you notice a common theme? it's republicans kind of zinging republicans and trying to maneuver for a place to be an

alternative to donald trump once the only republican running for the 2024 nomination. nikki haley joined him this past week. there will be orrs. you're looking at -- ohs. you're looking at a screen of maybe close to a cousin of them who could join. karl rove, best selling author, fox news contributor, political genius, all. karl, that's the difference here. but i sometimes think we can make a big deal of this when candidates go after each other. that's what they should do to differentiate from the pack, but where do you see it going? >> well, look, i think we're going to see some differences emerge between the candidates, but so far most of the time it's been appropriate. i thought, for example, chris sununu knew saying, look, i differ with governor desantis, yes, we should take on wokism, but i wouldn't take on a private company, meaning disney. he's entitled to his opinion, and i thought he expressed out in an appropriate way. frankly, the only person who has sort of engaged in scorched

earth policies here is the former president who has gone after governor desantis with, i thought, a bunch of childish attacks, governor sanctimonious, and then went after him for having closed down florida for getting -- forgetting to say two things. one is that governor desantis closed down florida at the direction of president trump, and second of all, that florida opened up earlier than most other states in the country at the direction the of governor desantis. i so, i mean, this is so far sort of, you know with, it hasn't risen to dangerous levels. what really concerns me is if people go after each other in a way that is destructive in debates and so forth where the object is to cripple somebody else as opposed to to advancing your own views and agenda. neil: normally when people get sort of down in the mulled with names like meatball ron, which as an italian-american i kind of took offense to, italian i

sausage would have been better, that aside, the other candidates start doing the same thing. and does that play to the former president's favor? i mean, at one -- it won him the nomination in 2016. could it do the same this go around? how would you look at how other candidates respond? ron desantis hasn't taken the bait on some of this stuff the, but other candidates who emerge might have to to deal with the same thing. >> yeah. neil: because they're already being disloyal, at least in mr. trump's eyes what he said in the past, running against him to begin with. >> yeah n. 2016 it worked to his advantage. why? because he was the insurgent, he was the underdog, he was punching up effectively. he's now the form ifer president trying to win his -- former president trying to win his party's nomination, so he's punching down, and i don't think it looks good. you know, he -- the attacks on desantis, i think, worked to desantis' advantage. most of these other attacks have gone without much notice. i think it's a mistake for the former president to punch down, but he likes punching, and if he

has to punch down, he's going to keep punching, but i think it makes him look small and weak. neil: you know what's interesting, donald trump notwithstanding is the unwillingness not only on the part of mr. trump, but some of the other candidates to not necessarily sign up for that this you'll accept and support whoever becomes the republican nominee in 204. governor hogan, former governor hogan of maryland wouldn't say that. obviously, donald trump has said that. but there's an unwillingness going into this race and ahead of debates, i guess, as they eventually, you know, followulate -- formulate that they're not all going to be that way. what do you think? >> yeah. i think the issue is from the bible, as you sow, so shall you reap. president trump in 2016 famously said he would not support the nominee of the party if he thought he was treated unfairly. and so he has given people license to say, you know what? i'm not necessarily duty-bound to support him. and his own personal behavior in

the years past, look, i remember painfully that he was for john kerry in 2004 and was for getting nancy pelosi speaker of the house in 2006 and then in 2007 said he thought she was doing a terrific job in march of 2007 except she hadn't done enough to impeach george w. bush. so the idea of party loyalty being something that people owe donald trump is just not credible. neil: where do you see this settling out? obviously, parties before they get revving up for a presidential contest the, you know, you'll have some of the, you know, or shoulder pushing and -- >> right. neil: -- but it doesn't last. the closer someone comes to getting that nomination, maybe the less likely you'll see it. maybe. how do you see it sorting out? >> well, i think it's going to be one of the more interesting contests of our, of recent memory for the republican nomination, because a couple of things. are we going to have 17 candidates or anything close to the it like we had in 0 the 16?

-- 2016? because the math is important here. you're the nerd, i'm the nerd, let's get nerdy. most states divide the delegates that they have to the national convention with, like, three delegates per congressional district in their state. and most states have a 15% threshold, in other words, in order to be, to get a shot at getting a delegate, you have to get over 15% threshold. let's take a couple scenarios. say somebody gets 45%, somebody gets 15, somebody gets 14, everybody else gets less, the delegates would be split between the first two 2 to 1. on the other hand, let's assume somebody gets, like, 30-35% of the vote and nobody else gets more than 14%, that is to say nobody breaks the threshold, then this person would get three delegates. this is how what happened in south carolina where in the south carolina primary, though donald trump did not get more than 15% of the vote, he nonetheless got all 50 delegates from south carolina because he beat the threshold and nobody

else did. so that's going to be one of the more interesting things, how many people are there going to be who are credible candidates. if it's anywhere 10 or above, then in all likelihood trump will have an advantage. if it's less than, you know, if it's 5 or 6, we're going to have a very interesting contest. neil: wow. all right, we'll see. karl rove, thank you very much, my friend. they're getting angry at disney about having to work four days a week. at work. after this. out here, you're more than just a landowner. you're a gardener. a landscaper. a hunter. because you didn't settle for ordinary. same goes for your equipment. versatile, powerful, durable kubota equipment. more goes into it. so you get more out of it.

neil: hi40, hi40, it's maybe not off to work we go, disney want withs all workers the at least show up at the office at disney locations four days a week. not all of them are pleased with that. lauren simonetti on the battle grewing. >> reporter: neil, some disney workers don't want to go back to work. "the washington post" reporting more than 2300 have signed a petition saying ceo bob iger's

mandated four-day return is, quote, likely to have unintended consequences that cause long-term harm to the company. because they'll quit, and their talents will be hard to replace. hundreds of petitioners were parents, they don't want to pay for childcare. others say they have medical issues including a.d.d. and the office is too distracting. this sets up a standoff between iger and staff. iger values in-person creativity, workers value flexibility. iger wants cost cutting, 7,000 disney layoffs just announced. workers want cost savings, no commute. the paper reports that the petitioning employees work in various departments. they submitted their proposal last week and have not heard back. they are slated to report in mar 1st -- march 1st, but their pushback just as office occupancy in america's largest cities hovers as just 48%.

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norfolk southern, the rail concern that had that derailment a couple of weeks ago, has arrived there. he was questioned before going in to talk to some residents that we are here to support the community. we don't know much more about what he plans to do. norfolk southern has already turned over about a million and a half dollars in leaf, energy relief, for a lot of residents with no strings attach thed, we're told, or anything like that. what they're trying to do is trying to help out now amid criticism that they are late to the party here and very, very late providing the aid that a lot of people think the town needs right now, even providing bottled water and supplies that could go into the millions of dollars and and some legal issues that a number of lawyers are considering as class action suits appear to be the building. that could take that considerably over tens of millions of dollars, maybe hundreds of millions. no way of knowing, but we'll track mr. shaw's travels through

the community when we get more word. in the meantime the, more word about social media and its harmful influence on kids. the surgeon general of the ideas united states has already said that 13 is way too young for kids to be online. a lot of lawmakers are coming up withtive ages of their own -- alternative ages of their own. they seem to be coming up with the idea that 16 at a minimum. kelly bo lahr joins us right now, what do you think of that? -- kelsey. what do you think of raising it to 16? >> this was a proposal put forth by senator josh hawley, and i do give him a lot of credit for starting a very important conversation regarding the harmful effects of social media on children. we know that children and adults have very different brains. children's brains are very impressionable. we also know there's a mental health crisis amongst children right now, and social media is directly tied to that. there are no shortage of studies at this point showing the harmful effects of social media

on children's brains, and so it is about time as a nation, as a culture we have a serious conversation about how we are going to protect our children from the downsides of social media. i do think there's a role for government here. there's also an important role for parents to step up and not just rely on legislation or government officials' advice. s the really important for parents to ache a role in limiting social concern take a role in limiting social media access for their children. neil: a lot of times that can prove even easier said than done. and i don't know how you would enforce this as a family. maybe mom and dad have have a code to get in and their youngsters do not. i guess those are the details that need to be sorted out if this ever comes to pass. >> yeah. enforcing this type of law would certainly be where much of the debate would get very heated and complicated. but we do know we don't let

children watch r-rated movies, we don't let them access types of content the online. it's interesting to me that the geniuses in silicon valley haven't yet figured out what a-- a way to limit social media to certain age groups. you know, they seem to be able to do everything, and they also seem to know when it comes to their own children the harmful effects of social media, because we know it's those very people who are banning social media within their own families, with their own children, or but then they can't do the parents a favor and maybe figure out an easier way for parents to manage this and limit it so perhaps we don't need government involvement so that parents are more empowered and it's just an easier way for parents with the click of a button, perhaps, to insure their child is not being exposed to harmful social media companies. neil: this, to your point, might be a step in this direction. thank you, kelsey. just updating you on east palestine, the president of norfolk southern, the railroad

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