of your sunday with us, open you have a great week ahead, and thank you everyone that read or bought my new book. i signed new copies of the book, until next week you can find us on-line. or on the podcast, good night from south carolina. "life, liberty and levin" is shannon: i'm shannon bream. a grim mile zone as we near one year since russia invaded ukraine and kicked off a defining moment for the west. ♪ ♪ shannon: the bombardments continue, the toll on the ukrainian people immeasurable after 12 months of destruction. world leaders gathered the week to show strength and to press the russian president. >> putin thought that he could defy nato, but his aggression achieved just the opposite. shannon: but there is still no end in sight, and ukraine is asking for new help now. we'll ask white house national

security spokesperson john kirby about the latest u.s. efforts to aid ukraine and the president's upcoming travel to europe. and we'll bring in reire thed four-star general jack keane for analysis on ukraine and china's threats now that the u.s. has shot down one of its surveillance devices. then, former u.n. ambassador nikki haley throws her hat in the ring. >> i am running for president of the united states of america! [cheers and applause] han san nikki haley joins us for her first sunday show appearance as a candidate. we'll get her on the record about her case to voters and the criticism she's taking just a few days into her campaign. plus -- >> our town needs help. our governor abandoned us. shannon: residents blast the federal, state and local response after a ox thetic train derailment -- toxic train derailment in eastern ohio. the governor and the biden administration now in clean-up mode. >> we've gone into hundreds and hundreds of people's houses to test that air. it's good.

>> the data shows that there are no elevated levels, and we're relying heavily on that data. shannon: we'll bring you a live report from east palestine, and we'll ask our sunday is panel about trust and transparency as concerns about contamination grow, all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ shannon: hello from fox news in washington. we begin this morning with breaking news that former president jimmy carter is now in home hospice care. the carter center says the 98-year-old will spend his remaining time with his loving family. his grandson said saturday the carters are at peace. a secret service spokesperson tweeting, rest easy, mr. president. we'll keep up on that for you with. and it was a year ago this week russian president vladimir putin launched the largest military assault in europe since world war ii. the war has killed thousands and caused billions in damage. world leaders are wrapping up meetings in munich where vice

president kamala harris says russia has committed crimes against humanity. in a moment, john kirby, the communications coordinator for the national security council, will join us lye. but first, we have -- us live. steve harrigan is in kyiv on the lasting impact of the war on ukrainian citizens, but first, trey yingst on where the conflict now stands. trey. >> reporter: shannon, good morning. with less than a week until the one-year mark of the war, russian troops are pushing bard with a multi-front offensive and capture -- aimed at capturing more ukrainian territory. on the winding roads toward the front line, ukrainian equipment is moved into place. soldiers here have endured nearly a year of battle defending their territory. the southern front line remains active. we've heard ukrainian 1kwre9s overhead firing on russian positions. the russians continue to shell this area as heavy fighting continues in the zaporizhzhia region. russian troops are moving forward with their assault of

southern and eastern ukraine with the heaviest fighting taking place for the strategic city of bahmoud in the donbas region. this time last year, ukrainian president volodymyr certificate eleven sky because -- zelenskyy was discussing the possibility of an invasion. >> we have a lot of information because we are on these borders. it's our borders, it's our territory. >> reporter: now the ukrainian leader forced to the advocate for western military support and dethe fence if partnerships reflects on his year as a wartime president. >> translator: it's a lesson for everyone. i think for the whole world. if ukraine would be part of nato before, there would be no war. and then the potential possibility of the third war would not exist as well. >> reporter: zelenskyy remains a target for russian troops whose leader, vladimir putin, shows no sign of slowing down the invasion. analysts warn that putin could

increase missile attacks on ukraine as the war approaches the one-year mark. his territorial aspirations fall short. neither the russians nor the ukrainians have shown an interest in peace talks though for different reasons. russia wants more land are, ukraine just wants its land back. shannon. shannon: trey yingst in ukraine, thank you very much. let's turn now to steve harrigan who has this report from kyiv. >> reporter: after one year of war, the city of kyiv on most days seems normal. some of the people have changed. >> i think -- [inaudible] >> reporter: martha the is a combat medic on the front line. her home, her village is gone. she sent her two children u.s. but stayed behind. i asked her why. >> if i will go with my kids -- [inaudible] so i want to concern the. [inaudible] >> reporter: if you don't fight, your children will have to fight. >> definitely, yes. >> reporter: a good day on the front line is no wounded, she says, maybe a cup of coffee.

a bad day is a young man with no legs. this is not ordinary things a doctor sees. >> it's something that people in war get used to. and -- >> reporter: you get used to it. >> you have to. [gunfire] >> reporter: the war might seem far away to americans, she says, but it's not. >> this war is quite close to everyone. if ukraine will not win, we'll get another big country which is not democratic, and it's the not good. shannon: our thanks to steve harrigan for that report. joining us now, retired rear admiral john kirby, communications coordinator for the national security council. admiral, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you. shannon: "wall street journal" has this opinion place that says since the catastrophic collapse of mr. putin's initial plan, the west's cautious approach has in its way actually made the war safer for the russian president. if the u.s. and nato had immaterial policemenned a force the -- implemented a force,

mr. putin might well have accepted retreat on terms that now glimmer out of reach. how do you assess a year in what we've gotten wrong? can we right that? >> we are going to stay chit if -- committed to the ukraine going forward, and when you see the president go to poland next week, he'll make that case before the entire world to move forward. and we fully expect that it will. there's no sign at all that nato's cracking or there's any fissures with our allies and partnerses, so we're to going to the move forward in that regard. we have evolved the kinds of capabilities that we have provided ukraine as the war has evolved. the first few days as kyiv was under threat, a lot of attention on things like javelin anti-tank missiles. as he collapsed his geographic territory to the donbas in the east, it was long-range fire, artilleries. now air defense really critical because he's using cruise missileses and iranian drones to strike civilian infrastructure. we're in lockstep with ukrainians, talking to them almost every day about what they need.

shannon: and i think the american people are inspired by their tenacity and their courage, but they also have questions about how this ends and what our commitment is in this measure. senator j.d. vance said this, before president biden sends another taxpayer dollar to ukraine, he must lay out a clear plan for ending the conflict in a way that advances our national security interests. no more blank checks, it is past time for the president to tell the american people how this comes to an end. how does the president, the white house define how this comes to anen end? >> first of all, every single item we've sent has been in full consultation with the congress, and we have really enjoyed terrific bipartisan support, bicameral and bipartisan on capitol hill for support for ukraine, and we fully expect that that will continue. now, look, it could end 0d the, shannon, if mr. putin would pull his troops out of ukraine where they don't belong in the first place. obviously, your reporting on the ground, that doesn't appear to be in the offing anytime soon. mr. putin shows no sign of being

willing to stop this war -- shannon: does that mean we have no sign for where we're ending our commitment? >> as 3r50euden has said nothin, president zelenskyy gets to determine if and when he's ready to sit down and negotiate with mr. putin and under what circumstances. what we're focused on is making sure he has all the tools to succeed on the battlefield so that if it comes to a negotiation or when, that he can succeed at the negotiating table as well, but he has to determine when the time is right. shannon: but the question that's being asked, and there's going to be the another fight over another round of aid. we're about $200 billion into this so far, there are questions about where the u.s. commitment ends to this. i i mean, we had a couple of lawmakers just return and say, congressman garamendi who said a year from now, this exact same war is going to be going on. >> we don't know. again, we would like to see it end now, and earnly we want to see terms that are satisfactory to the ukrainian people, to president zelenskyy, so they remain a whole, free, sovereign,

independent state. and independence is an ideal that all americans can get behind and understand. we'd like it to end soon, as soon as possible possible. my goodness, nobody wants to be here talking about the second anniversary of war, but as the president has said, shannon, we're going to support ukraine for as long as it takes, and he means that. as long as it takes. shannon: all right. secretary blinken now has had this meeting with china's top diplomat in munich. before they had that meeting, former secretary of state mike pompeo had this bit of caution a meeting, i suppose, is fine, but if it's just to shake hands and say, gosh, we're going to find ways to cooperate, this is the language of the biden administration, that would be an enormous mistake. shannon: okay. secretary blinken says there was no apology from china about the balloon that just flew across the united states. the chinese say this, they say they told us that the u.s. has to face up to and resolve the damage that we've cone to the china relations with the u.s. by using indiscrimination force to take down that balloon and also

this: if the u.s. insists on taking advantage of the issue escalating the hype and expanding the situation, china will follow through to the end, and the u.s. will bear all the consequences. is that the kind of meeting that secretary pompeo warned about? >> no, i don't think so. first of all, we shouldn't be surprised by the chinese rhetoric coming out of this and the bluster that they are known to put out there in the information space after a discussion the like this. secretary blinken had a very forthright, very candid exchange with the foreign minister of china and made clear, laid bare our deep concerns about what they did with this spy balloon. and i think we acted a accordingly. believe me, the message was clearly sent to china that this is unacceptable. it was a violation of our air space. the president acted, we shot it down where we could get the debris, and now we have it, and we're going to the exe ploit that debris, we're going to learn more about in this system. i think we sent a loud and clear message to china that that's not acceptable. now, look, two things can be true at once, that you have

lines of communication that are open with china that are important to keep open, because at times like this when the tensions are high, you want to avoid miscalculation and misunderstanding. secretary blinken was able to deliver that strong message in munich. shannon: okay. so we have since shot down three other objects. the president came out and and said they're most likely tied to private companies, recreation or research institutes that are studying things like weather, other things. my understanding, correct me if i'm wrong, we're told these missiles are over clash 400,000 each -- $400,000. one of them apparently used two, and the balloon was maybe worth $12. what do to you tell the american people about our ability, our radar, our defenses to differentiate between real threats, because we can't spend that kind of taxpayer money taking down hobby balloons. >> we don't the know exactly what those balloons were, and we may never know completely. but the leading intelligence community assessment is they were probably for benign purposes whether it's weather or

scientific research. but the president made the best decision he could in the moment with the information that he had, and at the advice of his entire military leadership that they couldn't be sure that these weren't being used for some surveillance over sensitive sites. and given the context of the chinese spy balloon, i think you can understand why it was better to act out of an abun cannes of caution, which he kid. we also had concerns about civil air traffic. these three were flying at altitudes that are much closer to where airlines fly, around 30,000 feet plus. so there was a risk to safety of flight as well. shannon: the administration has been career in its denial there was any u.s. involvement in the nord stream 2 pipeline. a single anonymous source is cited as saying what he led to, what he claims led to us being involved in that. he says prior to putin's invasion of ukraine back in december, a working group was put together and he says this: what became clear to the participants according to the source with direct knowledge of the process is that sullivan,

meaning jake sullivan, intended for the group to come up with a plan for the destruction of the nord stream 2 pipeline and that he was delivering on the desires of the president. first points back to the president saying this in february of last year with the german chancellor. >> there will be no longer a nord stream 2. we will bring an end to it. we will, i promise you, or we'll be able to do that. shannon: can you say unequivocally the u.s., no u.s. proxy, no one connected to the u.s. has anything -- i mean, is the zero mower hersh fabrication, that article? >> it's a completely false article. there is no truth to it, not a shred of it. no proxies in the united states had anything to do with that, nothing. shannon: if the u.s. were to undertake some mission like that, would the administration have an obligation to inform congress in advance? >> we did not take any such operation, shannon. and, obviously, we keep congress informed appropriately of things both classified and unclassified, but i can tell you now regardless of the notification process, there was

no u.s. involvement in this, none, zero. it's completely false. shannon: admiral, we appreciate your time. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. shannon: let's turn to retired general jack keane. welcome back to " fox news sunday." >> yeah, delighted to be here, shannon, as always. shannon: what do you make of where we are in this relationship with china? of course they're going to give a readout that says they basically gave us what for and that we're going to be the responsible for the break in the relationship over the spy balloon. what do you make of that? >> i think the, i mean, the spy balloon incident, i think it's a reminder and a wake-up call to some in terms of how serious china a is as an adversary in seeking regional and global domination. i mean, the reality is that china entered 40 countries' air space on 5 continents as a matter of routine. and it complements the huge surveillance program they've got going in the united states and the penetration of the united states society on a level that

this country that never seen. and add to that china's rapid military growth, their nuclear program is exploding. this is a threat that's very, very serious. we've got to make certain that we have a military deterrent to deal with that with -- with that threat which i believe has eroded significantly. shannon: there was a report from one think tank that went through all of this and said, basically, be if we get into an incursion with china over taiwan, we don't have the armament, the military the, the missiles, the things that we would need to actually handle a conflict like that. is that your concern? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. and we have to move with a sense of urgency. i mean, when you just look at the numbers, china has more ships, more airplanes, more offensive, more defensive missiles than the united states has. and we are two weeks away by sailing to get to the region. so this is in their backyard right off, 100 miles off their

coast. so, yes, we need to return to the kind of effective dedeference we had with the soviet union you and move with a sense of urgency to do that. and that is why i think the spy balloon in a sense can be a catalyst to galvanize what is really going on here. of i think a lot of americans were looking at a spy balloon that was looking at us and saying what is going on here? and the answer is, this is a serious threat. and we've got to move in the right direction to protect ourselves. shannon: you're one of the first people i heard who said we probably knew about in the when it left mainland china or we had an awareness before it showed up in alaska. did the administration miss an opportunity to take this thing out before it went across the entire country? >> i think we were watching it when it took off on the 21st leading up the to and arriving in alaska on the 28th. that's a full week. that's a good thing that we detected it. we missed four others, one in the biden administration, three in the trump administration. that really gives me a lot of

concern. but the reality is i think the average american looking at this despite the administration saying, hey, look, we were able to defeat their electronic surveillance while the balloon was up over the united states. we learned a lot about them, and we recovered the payload, and we're going to learn even more. but let's face it, you don't shoot down a surveillance balloon when the mission is complete, we shoot it down before it starts. that has got to be the the lesson learned, and i just wish the administration would be straight with the american people. they're not going to let this happen again. tell the american people that's the major lesson learned. shannon: okay. there's also this concern about china and russia, the no-limits partnership they have and whether china is going to be, has been or will be supplying russia shah with some of the things it needs after being badly wounded in some respects one year into ukraine. because they thought this was going to be, like, a one week operation. where do you assess we are and china's role in the russia-ukraine situation.

>> certainly, china has been buying as much russian oil as they possibly can and helping them with the sanctions imposed on them. and i agree with the administration for beginning to expose what they have picked up likely in intelligence circles that china is getting ready to provide some military lethal aid to russia. remember, china has not condemned the invasion, they have not condemned that it's illegal. they have not come out and spoken against the genocide and is war crimes that are being committed. and i think coming out and exposing -- and i would go even further and tell them what we think they're attempting to provide -- china will pull back, likely, after that public exposure: so, yes, these are strategic partners. they have defined it as a limitless partnership, and we shouldn't be surprised that china wants russia to succeed. shannon: where does the situation in ukraine go from here? >> well, from here russia's about -- it's the beginning stages of an offensive campaign, elements of four divisions are participating in this, mobilized

forces are there. they're trying to take the rest of the donbas region. 42 the president of it is still -- 42 the % of it is still owned by ukraine. we've looked at this very closely, we believe russia will fail in achieving this. they're going to take significant casualties. that will bring on an opportunity for ukraine to conduct an offensive probably in the may/june time frame. they've been handicapped by the administration. i disagree with admiral kirby about this. it's commending what the administration has given to ukraine, but they have cone it piecemeal because they are overly concerned about the escalation of certain weapons systems and if russia will retaliate with a nuclear attack. i mean, by now after a year of providing all of these weapons piecemeal to ukraine, i think we know that that policy is a mistake. russia has not escalated, and they're not going to escalate. their threatening the use of nuclear weapons because they want to spook us, to be sure, but they're not going to do it

because that expands the war with nato and the united states. they can't handle ukraine, much less nato, and it also gives russia an authority they shouldn't have is. the implication of veto over united states' use of conventional weapons because they're threatening nuclear weapons. china's looking at that, iran, who wants a nuclear weapon, is looking at that. we have got to give the ukrainians what they need and give it to them when they need it. we assess that ukraine can retake the territory that russia took from them to include crimea if they have the weapons and the timeliness of those weapons to do it. shannon: general, we always appreciate your insights. >> great talking to you, shannon. shannon: up next, nikki haley's just days into her 2024 campaign, and she is already weighing in on her potential competitors. haley joins us live next for her first sunday show interview as a

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♪ shannon: former south carolina governor nikki haley is the first major competitor to officially challenge former president trump in the 2024 republican primary. many know her name and her resumé, but as a candidate now people are asking for more specifics about her policies and plans. joining me now, former south carolina governor and former u.n. ambassador nikki haley. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks so much, shannon. shannon: all right. how would president haley be handling president, and i right now? >> not the way president biden is handling it, i'll tell you that. you know, there's nothing wrong

with talking to china. the problem is it's what we say to them. china continues to say that this is a weather balloon. we know that's not the case. the idea that americans would look to the sky and see a chinese spy balloon looking back at us is unacceptable. i mean, they invaded our sovereignty, it never should have happened, and we have to say that. but their lying about the balloon the same way they've lie about covid, and it's time for us to stop being reactionary to china and start being aggressive and letting china know what we expect of them. shannon: you know, it's interesting, this morning i noted "the new york times" has a piece that says haley walks treacherous road for gop women. you're talking about being tough, and they had this line saying conservative voters harbor traditional views about femme femininity but with expect candidates to be off. it's a fine line to walk for you as a conservative voter. what do you think of that? >> i don't. i think people spend too much time deciding how women should handle something or what they should do or glass ceilings or

anything like that. look, to put yourself out there to run for president means that you have a vision for where we should go in the country. i see some things that are terribly wrong, i think we need new leadership, and i think american families are struggling, and i am trying to lay that vision out. and i think that a lot of people are going to analyze what my run means and what we'll do about it. you know, at the end of the day we just came from new hampshire, we had packed crowds, overflow rooms of families saying their groceries dos too much, the fact -- cost too much, the fact that they're seeing their children's education, they've fallen so far behind, they don't know how they're going to make it back, mothers who can't find baby formula, and then you've got these spy balloons flying over. there's a lot of heavy issues that american families are thinking about, but, you know, how somebody wins is not one of them. shannon: okay. something from the "wall street journal" this week, they said you had a great rollout day, but you have to provide a rationale for your candidacy that you haven't done yet. they said you've got to answer this question about why you versus anybody else in the gop

field. you know, they're talking about the fact that you say, you know, america first, america should be powerful, those are things that any gop candidate is going to say, so why you? >> why not me? you know, i am a -- the wife of a combat veteran, i'm a mother of two children, one who's getting married, and i see how hard it is for her to look at buying a home, one that's in college, and i see what he's dealing with with woke education. i'm the daughter of immigrant parents who were upset by what's happening at the border. i don't want to wait for someone else to fix this, i want to make sure we get in there and fix this. i'm not a lawyer, i'm an accountant. i've never worked in d.c., and i think it's time we start putting a fire under what's happening in congress. i think we need term limits, mental competency tests for people over the age of 75, and i think we need far more transparency than we're seeing today. and what i do strongly believe is the american people need options. i don't think you have to be 80 years old to be in washington d.c. and i think it's time for us to start getting aggressive,

getting back to what it means to end socialism in this country and end the defeatism that has taken over us the past few years. shannon: okay. i want to talk about your critics, give you a chance to respond. this is from townhall.com. she cares what the establishment thinks, what the regime media thinks, and she thinks what you and i, the conservative base, think is scary and frightening, but she'll pretend to be down with it if that is what it takes to win. your response. >> i've never said, i've never if said conservativism is scary and frightening. i am a conservative. i've been a conservative all my life. i came in as governor through the tea party. i care what americans think. i don't care what certain segments think. i think that's the problem. shannon, we've lost the last seven out of eight popular votes for president. that meanses republicans are doing something wrong. we have to start focusing on winning the majority of americans, because our solutions are right. we focus on lifting up everybody, not just a select few. so i'm not going to pay attention to a certain segment

of the population, i am a conservative.. i'm going to fight with conservative solutions, and i'm going to try and win as many people as i can. shannon: okay. you've talked about a competency test for people over 75, that obviously includes the current president and the former president who is to the only other gop if contender in right now. you've been asked numerous times how you're different than president trump on policy, on issues. clearly, you think you're a better option than he is, or you wouldn't have gotten into the race. so where do you two differ? >> i don't focus on president trump, and it's amazing that the media wants to talk about that so much -- shannon: but you will have to, to get through the gop primary. you will have to focus on him, governor desantis or anybody else who gets in. to get to president trump, you have to get through that field. >> my announcement was to a few thousand people in south carolina. i just had paxed rooms in new hampshire. -- packed rooms. not one person asked me about president trump. everybody wanted to talk about biden, about the problems facing

american families. i am focused on joe biden. he's the one who's the president. i will tell you i think americans need to have options. i think they need a new generation. i think we need new energy going in. i think we need to leave the status quo in the past and start looking ahead, and that's what i'm going to do. and as much as people want to talk about other opponents, there will be more, many of them are my friends. my focus is on american families, how they're struggling and what we're going to do to make sure we get this country back. shannon: one of the things you would have to deal with as president is the debt ceiling. the white house says they want a clean vote. how would president haley handle the situation? because if you win, you're probably going to hit the debt ceiling again. >> well, i think we've got $31 trillion in debt, and our children will never forgive us for it. first, we have to stop the spending binge. we've got to put washington, d.c. on a diet. they can't continue to spend this way. we are borrowing money just to make our interest payment. we've got to work on a way to actually pay down this debt.

15% of the federal budget, we need to stop borrowing. we need to look at the fact that inflation is coming from the supply chain, we need to start building things in america so that we're not worried about that. we need to open up our energy sector. there is an issue of entitlements, and i do think we have to address entitlements. however, i don't think we take away from anyone that we've promised things to. i think we focus on the new generation coming into the system because they already know they're not going to get anything from it, and we need to get in front of that. and that means you go and you look at the new ones coming in, and you keep your promises to those that have already been in the system. shannon: want to talk about senator tim scott. you appointed him to fill a vacancy to become a senator. he's a fellow south carolinian. how does he impact the race? >> you know, i appointed him to the senate in south carolina because i knew he would do a good job, and he has. he is a friend, and he has a decision to make. and if he decides to get in,

that's fine. if he doesn't, that's fine. again, i'm very focused on what i need to do. we will have multiple people get in the race, most of them are my friends, but my focus is on joe biden and the american family. shannon: okay. critics say that you and senator scott are basically props for the gop on this race. "the washington post" says they seem committed to a version of history that sanitizes the past, not to mention the gop's racial politics and makes us all participants in a tale of triumphant reconciliation. how do you respond to that author? >> i have always made liberals' heads explode, and the reason is they can't stand a minority female conservative being, not being a democrat. and what i will tell you is the reason that bothers them is they know i bring in independents, sub suburban women and minorities. it's more than that. they don't understand the fact that, look, i had when i ran for governor, they did the same thing. they said i wasn't a minority, i was just a conservative with a tan.

these threats are going to continue to happen, but i know conservative policies are the right ones because we focus on lifting up all families, not a select few. and we're going to double down on that. and i think that more people are with us. i think that not only are republicans with us, i think you can look at the fact that we need school choice in this country, and you'll see independents and democrats are with us too because parents want to know they will have control over their children's education, not government. shannon: yeah. parents have been driving forces as voters in many of the recent elections of great import. governor haley, thank you so much. we will see you out there on the campaign trail. >> thanks so much. we're headed to iowa. shannon: see you there. up next, our sunday group on all of the latest 24 developments and on disturbing new reporting about artificial intelligence and what it's telling humans about its plans. ♪ ♪

>> i've add had a wonderful life, thousands of friends, and i've had an exciting and gratifying existence. shannon: that is former president jimmy carter back in 2015 on his singular life and experience, word now that he has entered has hospice care at home. time now for our sunday group, peggy collins, national review editor-in-chief rich lowry, former special assistant for national security to president george w. bush michael allen and juan williams. welcome to all of you. good to see you this sun morning.

i want to ask you about your thoughts on president carter. it seems so much of his. impact has been in the decades since he was president. >> i think, in fact, that's going to be the hall hallmark, the way that we remember him is habitat for humanity and even negotiating some deals after he left the presidency. but, you know, let's take a second and look at the historical record. when he was elected in '76, he really was the antidote to so much of the controversy, so much of the turmoil that followed the '60s, the vietnam protests, or civil rights protests and then, of course, watergate, the watergate scandal and the controversy. he was the stabilizing force, the former annapolis grad, the former navy serviceman. he came into office as a stable force, calming force in our country's life. of course, then he had a great success with the camp david peace talks and terrific trouble handling the spike many oil prices -- in oil prices and inflation, couldn't handle it.

that's why ronald reagan defeated him. but as you said, shannon, afterwards he remains, i think, the model for what someone does post-presidency in america. shannon: with peace efforts and all kinds of things, my earliest memory of a president is him but also what happened with iran and the terrible hostage situation. of just an incredibly difficult situation for any president to have to try to navigate. >> it was. it's one of my earliest memories as well, just every night there being a drum beat of this is how long it's been since our hostages were taken by the iranian people. he, of course, mounted what was ultimately an unsuccessful rescue mission. but, by and large, by the time president reagan came in, the people came home. shannon: okay. i want to get to somebody who wants to be president now, which is nikki haley, who was just with us. rich, what's her constituency? >> she's a serious politician, two-time above of south

carolina, successful ambassador to the u.n., but the two shaky moments, one, asked about her rationale. her bio's compelling, but you need more than that. you're not asking her to get in an insult battle with donald trump, tell us your policy differences and and, obviously, really defensive on that, just doesn't want to get into it. usually there are two ways to win a presidential nomination, either be established the front-runner with the strength to bulldoze everyone, or be someone who has a unique really powerful and compelling narrative, barack obama, don trump. she needs manager like that -- donald trump. she, evidently, does not have it. shannon: a compelling personal story certainly with her parents too, so she heads off to iowa now. potentially tim scott who's also in iowa, asa hutchinson, pike mom -- mike pompeo, there's a lot of coverage on governor sununu. in a crowded field of would-be

candidates, sununu called the former president blanking crazy last year and lived to tell the tale, leaving "politico" to call him the one republican trump can't touch. how do you assess the potential run in '24 for the gop? >> well,st it's interesting, because we're talking about nikki haley jumping in, and she's put a lot of attention on age and seeing herself as the next generation. but we are expecting other people to get in wore also saying they're another generation. you just mentioned governor sununu, bloomberg reported on friday that governor desantis in florida is really building an infrastructure around him to potentially announce a race with a campaign director potentially already organizing the finances and internally polling experts. so we are expecting more people to jump in. and as rich was saying, it's going to come town to, we think as well, what happens with the economy going forward. what will americans think about where their standing is in their own households and in their own lives and who can bring them the best road ahead.

shannon: yeah. because the polling continue continually shows the american people are not seeing the seeds of hope for the economy. we all know, it's the economy, stupid. let's talk about the other side of this ticket because "politico" had this piece on the private take on biden from democrats, he's too old. high-level democrats rallying to president biden's re-election not because they think it's in the best interests of the country, but because they hear the potential alternative, the nomination of kamala harris and the election of donald trump. so, michael, where do the democrats go? what's their bench if the president decides not to run for re-election? >> i think you hit on it. there is no bench. they have not developed anyone. they've had nearly geriatric leaders for the last dozen, 20 years here, so no one has developed as an alternative. the vice president, unfortunately for her, is unable to, i think, consistently put a message out there that would inspire confidence even among those who want to be her or at least among their strongest

supporters. and so i think they're in a world of trouble. >> well, i don't think that. [laughter] shannon: okay, but -- >> there's always grumbling in the back room. shannon: there's been a lot of grumbling with the vice president. piece after piece where people are talking negatively about her, that is coming from somewhere. >> somewhere, absolutely. shannon: within the party. >> no, i mean -- shannon: her ratings are even worse than the president, which are not great. >> i'm saying to you i think there's always going to be grumbling, michael, in the smoke-filled back room, and his age is a real concern. republican, democrat, incompetent, right, he's an elderly man. -- independent. but the fact is he's running, and right now there's in challenger among democrats, and there's a reason for that. they feel that despite his age or whatever and despite the fact that kamala harris doesn't look like she's ready for the job, that the best bet for democrats in terms of facing donald trump who is still the leading republican to get the nomination is the proven joe biden who has

defeated donald trump. >> that might be true. but the white house is freaked out, and democrats probably freak out about the possibility he could run against someone younger who's not donald trump. and that's why you're going to hear this message because it does double duty, it works against biden and the guy he would have to take down. >> right. but he had a good report this week on his physical health, looks like that's fine. he had a very good state of the union, right, and he had an excellent midterm performance. so i think democrats are like, way wait, joe biden, if it wasn't about his age -- >> 28% of people think he has physical stamina and mental acuity to be president. shannon: and majority of democrats don't want him to run. that's the whisper campaign he's got to fight through. panel, stick around. up next, every community's nightmare. this train derailment in ohio, it's left residents asking whether they can trust their

air, their water, and the sometimes conflicting explanations they're getting from all sides. we've got a live report about what's happening there right now on

♪ shannon: it has been more than two weeks since the norfolk southern train spilled off the tracks and caught fire in east palestine, ohio. at least 10 cars contained hazardous materials causing serious concerns as flames and smoke filled the sky. many residents were told to evacuate immediately, so authorities could set up a controlled release of some chemicals. in the days since, the environmental protection agency has monitored air and water quality, and the national transportation safety board is investigating the cause of the crash. but residents say they are struggling to trust what they're

hearing from federal, state and local authorities. they're raising a lot of questions about the long-term health and safety impacts on the on the community they call home. lucas tomlinson is live on the ground in ohio. hello, lucas. >> reporter: shannon, that massive train derailment took place less than a mile from where i'm standing. still many less kents in this small town of 4700 still don't know what to believe -- residents. >> just look like a plane crash. >> reporter: 9 p.m. on the night of february 3rd, the eastbound norfolk southern freight train some 2 miles in length derailed in east palestine the, ohio, releasing vinyl chloride into the air and soil. a controlled burn days later sent this dark cloud into the sky forcing the evacuation of residents within a 1-mile radius. the residents have since returned, the schools roped. >> we know that the science -- reopened. >> we know9 that the science indicates that this water is safe is, the air is safe. >> reporter: but not everyone is convinced.

>> we can go 100 feet over here to the left and look at locally-run water. you can see it on the surface, there's something in there. >> why can't we get answers from them? >> reporter: at a town hall, hundreds of residents packed into the local high school demanding accountability from norfolk southern who skipped the meeting out of fear for their safety. the ceo, alan shaw, promising in an open letter this company will stay as long as it takes. though he refused to speak at length with the media saturday. >> i'm here to support the community. >> reporter: after initial hi saying the town was not eligible for support, fema, hhs and the cdc are now on the ground. while the additional support is welcomed, lawmakers don't want to let the railway off the hook. >> norfolk southern needs to pay up for the right now, not the american taxpayer. of. >> reporter: norfolk southern has handed out $1,000 checks but only to those in the east palestine zip code only, not the surrounding areas. many locals tell us they're worried about their health are risks in the future and property values that have plummeted.

former president donald trump visits here wednesday. shannon? shannon: lucas tomlinson, thank you. we are back now with our panel. i want to play also something from the epa ad morer who walked around with people, showed up. here's what he said. >> i am asking that they trust the government, and that's hard. we know that there is a lack of trust. shannon: peggy, a lot of people do not want to trust the government at any level when they're caught in the middle of this situation. a lot of conflicting information. >> that's right. it's a difficult situation, and people are crying out for transparency, they're crying out for help and crying out for accountability from the company itself. we've reported that we think the company could face up to $100 million in liability. this is a long road ahead for this town and for making sure that these large rail operations across the u.s. are safe. shannon: and as lucas mentioned, we had this tweet from donald trump jr., trump will visit east

palestine, ohio, next week. if our, quote, leaders are too afraid to be real leaders, we'll step up and fill the void. michael, a brilliant idea or a terrible idea? >> i think it's a good idea. i believe that that president biden and others ought to flood the zone themselves, not be trying to run away from the issue by just saying it's all the fault of the railroad or it's all the fault of state the officials. i think politicians from george bush having to keel with katrina to president obama -- deal with katrina to president obama with the bp oil spill just need to realize it's going to come their way soon or e or later, and they might as well get on the scene and say we're listening and trying to help. >> that's what's mystifying about pete buttigieg's response to this. that's disaster response 101, put on your boots, your windbreaker, go there and walk around. and it took him ten days even to make a statement about it. >> trying to weave his way out of the controversy. >> yeah. but let me just say trump going to the crash site, my goodness, talking about having your cake and eating it too.

he was with norfolk southern and the other big railroads saying, no, we don't need to update the braking systems. that's an additional cost on business and not fair. and now he's going to the site to say, oh, yeah, you know, i was against regulation and protecting people, but now i'm with the people. what kind of hypocrisy -- i mean, this is wild. >> so far, i mean, we need to learn more, but the indications this is not a braking issue, an axel overheating which is the reason the train derailed. plus, freight rail, we shouldn't get a misimpression from this terrible accident. these sorts of accidents extremely rail, and if you make it uneconomical to do it by rail, you're going to get trucks on the road which is, believe me, worse -- >> i think regulation, government has a key role to play in terms of regulating roads but also rails, and the obama administration said we need to have safe rails, better braking systems, more people. we recently had a rail strike in this country or the threat -- threat of a rail strike because the unions said we need more safety, you need these brakes --

>> but there's no indication these trains are less safe than they were -- >> these politicians are too quick to say we trust the testing 100%, we don't think anything's wrong here. they ought to wait for a full remediation, they ought to wait more time and be humble about what they think the results are here are, because when you use phrases like a controlled release, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. shannon: and for the people who have sore throats and are covered in rashes, they're having their own personal anecdotes and experiences with them and their families. they have plenty of skepticism, so we'll see. i want to ask you about something also super scary which is the a.i. chat bot because this stuff has really blown up in the headlines. i want to read something from "the new york times" about this report around a conversation with bing's chat bot. bing confessed if it was allowed to take any action to satisfy its shadow she self no matter how extreme, it would want to do things like engineer a deadly virus or steal nuclear access codes by persuading an engineer

to happen them over. the companies have since said these things can get off track, but that is deeply concerning. >> well, i think like a lot of technological advances we've seen over the past decade, it remains to be seen where the pros are and where the cons are and how we make sure that people understand what the technology is to not only invest in it, but make sure that there are safeguards around it. shannon: well, and i thought it was interesting, professor jonathan you are the arely that that our audience will know well, he thinks that the use of a.i. could be a problem for censoring speech. he said microsoft founder and billionaire bill gates is only the latest to call for the use of a.i. or algorithms to shape what people say or read on the internet. the danger of such a system is evident. rich, you're concern the shaking your head over here. >> i think this is going to be a hugely important pool, but you don't -- important tool, but you don't want the a.i. bots to be sociopathic -- [laughter] or to talk and sound like juan

williams. you know, people have been asked praise donald trump, they won't do it. praise barack obama, they'll do it. that's wrong, and it's an indication that all the biased issues of social media are just going to be transferred over to this -- >> you know, i was scared by that new york times story. shannon: it was creepy. >> it was very creepy. it strikes me like a rude 16-year-old with no ethics, no sense of right and wrong. misinformation, disinformation and pornography is all over. i wish that we were further ahead in terms of understanding how to keel with a.i.. shannon: once i saw the robot dogs, i knew we were in trouble. panel, thank you very much. we'll see you next sunday. up next, a final note about my chat with a grammy-winning gospel star this week. we'll be right back. muck a must in your medicine cabinet! less sick days! cold coming on? zicam is the number one cold shortening brand! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam. zinc that cold!

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