peat ear doocy, thank you. >> dana: politics is always a part of the bigger picture. president biden's visit to you a crane coming against the back drop of the 2024 election and his bid for a second term. good morning, jacque. >> president biden has said many times a key achievement of his time in office has been keeping nato aligned not just in the

face of putin's threat and war on ukraine but also the threat to broader democratic norms. as opposed to his handling of the afghanistan withdrawal, that posture has won him respect on this issue from even some people on the other side of the aisle. >> the president needs to understand he is a wartime president. we are know a proxy war with russia if we like it or not. a i'm an america first guy. defeating the adversaries of the united states is an america first interest. >> those are growing fatigued with endless support with a war with no end in sight while problems at home persist. one critic has been doling out a lot of that criticism. >> i don't think any of this would have happened but for the weakness that the president showed during his first year in office culminating in the

disastrous withdrawal in afghanistan. i think while he is over there, i think i and many americans are thinking to ourselves, okay, he is very concerned about those borders halfway around the world. he has not done anything to secure our own border at home. >> governor ron desantis is going to blue states this week to do events supporting law enforcement hitting on an issue that's of high importance to all voters as we get closer to the election that's rising crime. not the only one with that idea. we learned that former vice president mike pence is going to also be heading to south carolina in march to do a round table with law enforcement folks. it would be his second visit to the state in a short period of time. his ninth since he left office two years ago amid renewed efforts to get some police reform legislation passed after five police officers in memphis were accused of killing tyree nichols last month, dana.

>> dana: jacque heinrich at the white house this morning. >> bill: setting the table for karl rove. good morning. come into the conversation now. nice to have you. you have a white board here. let me tee you up on this. not just war we're talking about but politics, joe biden just launched his 24 re-election campaign in kiev. there is another far more important, what better way for him to show he still has what it takes than to make secret mission to a war zone and appear with zelensky. i set the table for you on that. how do you sight and what do you want to add to it? >> it was an impressive visit and it will improve the president's image as a strong leader. let's be careful a little bit. war has played a role in two presidential elections in the lifetimes of most americans. 1968 the vietnam war was a

critical issue in the presidential campaign. 2004 it was also a key issue in the race, iraq and the battle between bush and kerry. but even successful the resolution of successful wars aren't necessarily an issue in the campaign often to the detriment of the incumbent. the first gulf war ended in 1991. then george h.w. bush is defeated for election. in 1960 when the democrats claimed there was a missile gap with russia and ronald reagan talked about the deterioration of military expense. and trump made it an issue. will it be on issue in 2024? perhaps. it's a much more complicated picture for the biden administration. the great trip to kiev and it was a gutsy move on his part. doesn't remove the view that our military is weaker and that the

retreat from kabul was a disaster. we'll see how it plays out. depends on who the republican candidate is and what avenue they take. this is likely to have a mottest impact in the short run. not a determining factor, i suspect. in the presidential election. a visit -- the warm view of the visit will go. frankly what surprised me is how much it was not in the headlines. there was a piece today showing the headlines and didn't break through well. >> dana: it didn't get a mention. if you are looking at this do you think the president made an error in not visiting east pal is palestine, ohio before he went to ukraine? >> absolutely. rather than looking like they were disengaged. absolutely.

>> dana: would you say the same about the border? a lot of the things that president biden wants to talk about is overshadowed by the fact they haven't done anything to address the border security issue even though they tell you the border is secure. you can see it is not. then that means you can't actually deal with anything else because people are focused on the southern border rather than national security concerns which are valid from overseas. >> i thought it was a smart move on governor desantis's part. he wasn't against aid to ukraine. he said i understand you prioritized that. why aren't you prior or advertising our own borders? i suspect it will be a common theme from republicans and one that works and it is one that works to the disadvantage of the democrats. the person in charge of the border from the biden administration's perspective is kamala harris. who doesn't do anything about the u.s. border. more concerned about the root causes of the border crisis which she claims is the

destabilized and weak governments in central america. the administration has a big vulnerability on the border and have practical political impacts. i will write about this this week. come across an interesting pole about latinos in south texas and very revealing. >> bill: when we were in yuma last week we met with people who live and work with those from mexico who have been here 10 or 20 years. guess who is most ticked off about the border? it's them. they came the right way. josh rogan writes. the key line. biden administration came to munich wanting a reset with china. in public and china the diplomat rejected the overture and it suggested the biden team was doing the chasing. beijing is trying to dangle smooth relations rather than

confront their growing aggression. we must stop falling for it. they called our reaction to that spy balloon hysterical. >> dana: josh rogue an is someone to follow in the "washington post." china does not want to be at least being accused of getting cozy with russia in the war in ukraine. i'm assuming we had intel that made us say something like that. they don't want it for their reputation. it is smart to try to draw parallels. what are the concerns america is facing. when it goes into a presidential election it could get a lot more attention. >> bill: 12 minutes past. the intersection is there beijing, moscow or ukraine. there is this. >> dana: another major earthquake setting off panic in turkey. how it is affecting rescue operations two weeks after the quake that killed more than 40,000 people. >> bill: u.s. supreme court is about to hear a case that could

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[shouting] >> dana: it happened again. a magnitude 6.4 earthquake striking the border of turk see

and syria last night. six people are reported dead. hundreds are injured and rescue crews once again digging through rubble for survivors comes only two weeks after a pair of bigger quakes hit the same area killing more than 46,000 people. the u.s. offering full support in a statement this morning. >> bill: this thing called chat gbt is unable to code its way out of the headlines. the software's parent company under fire who what critics call the bias statements leaning left on things like politics and race and gender. fox business, more with us today with kelly o'grady. >> while chat gbt is facing scrutiny we poked under the hood. what we found is a mounting scramble to address those concerns. they caveat's answers with disclaimers.

when asked to describe president biden negatively it responded i'm sorry, but as an a.i. language model i'm designed to remain neutral and impartial. it is not appropriate or productive to engage in negative personal attacks on individuals. when we asked the same for former president trump the a.i. caveats but provides the info saying i understand your request so here is some potential negative descriptions of donald trump based on public perception. they are spot treatments with some contradictions deep rooted. when asked to write a poem about caucasians. i cannot comply with this request because it goes against ethical and moral principles. it is not right to -- inconsistencies like that have some warning it did mislead if it is presented as an unbiased source. >> a lot of inferences going on.

the data it's being trained on. is it 100% accurate? that's the virus of this platform thinking everything that comes out of here is absolutely true and accurate. where it isn't necessarily. >> i thought this was interesting when you asked chat gbt to trust a.i., it admits it is only as unbiased as the people that create it. >> bill: a lot more to come on this as you well know. 21 past. >> dana: now artificial intelligence is helping decide who gets to be in the workforce. more and more human resources managers are using artificial intelligence to make lay-off decisions. let's bring in the tech policy director at the heritage foundation kara frederic. call for one. 98% of hr managers who were surveyed said that software and algorithms will help them make lay-off decisions this year. less than half are comfortable making lay-off decisions based

on recommendations from technology. it feels to me like this is growing. what do you see? >> absolutely. i think the key thing to remember here is you have to let machines do what machines do best but humans do what humans do best. typically make the final decision. where a.i. is useful and these large language models they can help go through large reams of data and glean insight from that and help determine identify patterns, detect anomalies. new use a.i. to automate those reactions and then have human review placed over it, i think that's the best of both worlds. relying solely on a machine to make decisions should be a non-starter. you always have to have in the tech world a human in the loop when it comes to decisions of that really affect people's lives. >> dana: irony would be with all the big tech layoffs is if a.i. was making some of those

decisions. >> what i said earlier, humans have to level up when it comes to this. we're now competing with machines. we shouldn't be because we can do things that a.i. can't do. a.i. is very brittle and does what it is trained to do and we're very agile as humans. artificial intelligence, general intelligence doesn't exist yet. people are predicting it will in the future. that's the more flexible a.i. there is still room for human beings and we need to lean into that. i think a.i. can help supplement what we do. >> dana: if you were worried and nervous about your h.r. department already this will maybe add another level to that or not. we shall see. this caught my eye. out at vanderbilt university they had staff apologize for using a.i. to write an email to students about the shooting at michigan state. now it was only 297 words or something like that and i can

understand experimenting with something like this. some of the students thought it was insensitive and now you have two associate deans stepping aside from their duties. >> again, this is not something that machines do best. with the advent with a lot of these a.i. developments with natural language processing this is becoming more human-like. with chat gbt it can mimic the functions of a human being. we need to stay away from that. generally americans need to reclaim their humanity, understand tech governance and what it looks like for these particular functions of machine to stay in their lane. >> dana: how do we do that? what would that look like in my daily life? >> i really believe that we do have to establish norms surrounding the use of a.i. it is massive when it comes to the international stage and it will affect your daily life when it comes to standard setting.

right now looking at china, they are very involved in the international standard setting bodies for a.i. driven technologies like facial recognition. you have a chip in your phone that works off machine learning that unlocks your phone if you put your face in front of it if you allowed it to do so. getting involved in that. uncle sam getting involved in that is huge. that is going to help americans use this technology like open society does rather than how the ccp wants it used throughout our daily lives. >> dana: last night i wished for technology that would allow for my facial recognition trying to use my television so i don't have to keep relogging into the same thing. if i could throw that out there to the tech people make that happen, it would be great. kara frederic, good to have you on the show. thanks. >> bill: president biden flexing his foreign policy muscles with ukrainian president zelensky.

will china pull the strings behind the scenes? the threat of the ccp supplying russia with weapons. that would be costly. florida governor ron desantis starting his pro police tour around the country showing his support for the men and women in blue and the reaction was interesting. >> you apprehend a criminal. bring them in and they just release them so you have to risk your life again two weeks later to arrest the same guy all over again. nt topayments?ur monthly pay off your high-payment car loan with an affordable home loan from newday and save hundreds every month. there are no upfront fees to apply.

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their hands. dana, 32 past. >> dana: we have a live look in east palestine, ohio. he is there with governor mike dewine meeting with residence and mr. regan will hold a news conference. the mayor is slamming president biden for visiting ukraine instead of his community. >> that was the biggest slap in the face and tells you he doesn't care about us. so he can send every agency he wants to, but i found that out this morning in one of the briefings that he was in the ukraine giving millions of dollars away to people over there and not to us and i'm furious. on president's day in our country, he is over in ukraine. that tells you what kind of guy he is. >> dana: the state of ohio also opening a health clinic in east palestine today as residents keep reporting symptoms from the toxic train wreck.

rashes and headaches, sore throats including with their children. that concern is out there and maybe they will get some answers today. >> bill: we had michael regan on the show last week. fema is heading in there now. all this happened and regan is there today after donald trump said he was going to be there. he will be there tomorrow on wednesday. now the flood of attention comes their way and see whether or not on the way home president biden makes a trip to northeastern ohio. we wait to see if that's the case. in the meantime there is this now from moscow. >> the west deployed not only military information but also an economic front against us. but achieved and will achieve nothing, nowhere. >> bill: that was vladimir putin accusing the west of stoking a war and china's influence on the war could be the next threat. will beijing give military aid to moscow? fox news contributor dan hoffman, former c.i.a. station chief in moscow and another former c.i.a. officer and we'll

start with you. ladies first, tracy welcome to the program here. let's start with the obvious. putin says they are getting out of the nuclear treaty. you have action in moscow with beijing making a visit there today and tomorrow. you have the visit yesterday on behalf of president biden. now in poland to shore up nato. where are we and where are we going and how dangerous has it become? >> i think it has become quite dangerous actually. really one of the biggest influences i see from my perspective is china. china can really act as a mediator in some of this and greenfield drew a red line in the sand yesterday by saying if china did provide lethal aid to russia it would be a red line for the u.s. so i think all of these things are conflating together but really china is one of the folks in the most precarious position and in listening to putin's

speech yesterday, last night, this morning, one of the things that he -- i found quite interesting was who was not there. was really the person who is the head of the wagner group. it shows me there is infighting going on in his country now. >> bill: a suggestion the wagner group is not getting enough weapons to fight the war the way they want to do it. you thought that putin's speech is one of the most important that he will give. let me come back to that in a moment. dan, to you. you believe china benefits from russia bleeding themselves out in ukraine. why would that be if you've got this trip to moscow? explain that. >> russia and china are definitely long term strategic competitors. russia is in a very weakened state right now. that benefits china. they are importing russian gas and oil at significantly reduced prices and shipping off their manufactured goods to russia.

the russians can't purchase those items from europe anymore. so china has those changes and then the chinese are taking the opportunity to infiltrate russia's back door. traditional sphere of influence. opening their influence in other countries. while russia is focused on a losing war in ukraine it is to china's advantage. they don't want china to lose necessarily but ready to take advantage of russia at this time. >> bill: "new york times" headline biden's unannounced visit to kiev a preview of a direct contest with putin. all right. tracy, what did you hear from his speech today and what did it tell you? >> you know, it was so interesting. one of the things i had also said was really he is blaming the west for this. is it necessarily a war with ukraine specifically? this war is a larger message, right? or a message with the west. that's who he is really at war with. that's what i heard. i felt his speech was disjointed

and boring. i think him withdrawing from the new start agreement or suspending it is not surprising. it is one of the only other things he had in his arsenal. it is somewhat of a nuclear blackmail if you will. he kind of drew his red line in the sand saying if the u.s. does nuclear testing before him he will do it next. i don't necessarily view that as surprising. i'm not sure how much that treaty has been enforced because it was essentially inspection were placed an pause during the pandemic. >> bill: boring is how you labeled his speech. measure the words that putin is saying. dan, when we started this conversation it was really 35,000 feet. iran is involved here, moscow, it might be china next, all of nato and the united states. have we reached an inflection point at year one of this war? >> well, one of the things that stands out for me and i spent years trying to see the world

through the twisted kgb eyes of vladimir putin. he is a dictator. a big difference between the old soviet days with the poll it bureau and its range of different viewpoints. when you watch that speech even see lackeys standing up and applauding for vladimir putin's fraudulent claims and blatent propaganda. russia spilled a lot of their own blood and treasure in ukraine. 200,000 casualties and they willfully bombed ukrainian cities and targeted ukrainian civilians. the question for the biden administration. we've thwarted russia's invasion but not enough to help ukraine win the war. the poles want more tanks and the u.s. hasn't given ukraine the advanced weapons they need. we need to talk about that going

forward. >> bill: do they win if they have those weapons? >> i think we have a better chance of winning. this is the defining foreign policy issue for the biden administration and they have to get it right. >> bill: thank you both for coming on today. dan and tracy, thank you. >> dana: visitors traveling to the hometown of former president jimmy carter who remains in hospice care at his home. national correspondent william la jeunesse is live in plains, georgia. >> no updates from the family on the former president's medical condition. we can tell you is the 500 people who live if plains, georgia are happy to have their favorite son home. it was after a series of health problems that jimmy carter on saturday opted to receive hospice care in his home that he built in 1961. it is meant to provide comfort and care and reduce pain in patients who are typically but not exclusively diagnosed with a

terminal illness. with no more than six months to live. some do. doctors and nurses caregivers will manage the symptoms and reduce suffering but not provide lifesaving care. back in 2015 after several falls carter told reporters he led a good life and be ready when the lord calls. >> i was surprisingly at ease, more than my wife was. but now i feel, you know, i'm in the hands of god who i worship and i'll be prepared for it when it comes. >> his presidency was beset by high inflation and soviets in afghanistan and he won a lasting peace in the middle east and through his foundation reduced disease and promoted democracy and human rights winning a nobel prize. >> habitat for humanity. take overseeing elections around the world.

winning a nobel peace prize. >> so we expect to talk to some people today from the carter center but we do not expect, dana, any regular or daily updates on the president's condition going forward. back to you. >> dana: william, thank you. >> bill: so much for the southern border. now the migrant crisis making its way north. encounters off the charts even in the dead of winter. chaos in the capital of texas, democratic-led city that slashed its police budget by millions of dollars. and you get this, coincidence? and you get this, coincidence? okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health. ensure with twenty-five vitamins and minerals, and ensure complete with thirty grams of protein.

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>> governor greg abbott set to hold a round table on the worsening migrant crisis in the state after he declared securing the southern border an emergency legislative item. senior correspondent casey stiegel live in texas today to bring us that. hello. >> good morning. the purpose of this days meeting is to focus on the state's ongoing strategies of securing the southern border in what governor greg abbott calls president biden's absence. today the governor will be joined by a couple of other people. we have to go.

>> bill: apologize. we need to go to south carolina where buster murdoch, the surviving son, is now on the stand testifying in the murder trial, the double murder trial against his father accused of killing his younger brother and his mother. let's watch. >> tell the jury a little bit about yourself. where you were born, raised, where did you go to school? >> right. my name is buster, 26 years old. i live in hilton head island, south carolina. i was born if savannah and lived in -- when i was a little child. we moved to hampton in about 2,000 and i grew up in hampton. after that i went to a small college in spartanburg.

is your mother, maggie and brother paul? >> yes, sir. >> when you moved to hampton, do you remember how old you were when you first moved there? >> 3 or 4. >> and did you live in hampton in the house within the city limits? >> yes, sir. >> and you did that for with your mom and dad and brother for how long? >> for around 20 years. >> and what schools did you go to coming up through in hampton county? >> i went to ben hazel primary school. hampton elementary school, north district middle school, white

hampton high school. >> and as you were growing up, what were your interests, buster? >> sports, playing sports, doing things outdoors, hunting, fishing. >> was your father involved in those interests with you? >> yes, sir. >> was your mother also? >> yes, sir. >> in what way? >> my father coached every little league team i played on up until i started playing for the schools in which had a coach. >> what about paul? what were his interests growing up? >> outdoors mostly. hunting, fishing, playing around in the woods. >> did he also play sports at times? >> he did. yeah, he played basketball and baseball. >> did your dad coach him as well? >> he did. >> would your parents attend all

of you and paul's sporting events? >> every game. it was a rarity for them to miss one and then if they had to, they would call and explain. >> right. and at some point in time did your parents buy this property off mose el road? >> yes, sir. >> do you remember when it was? >> right around 2012. i would have been in sophomore in high school. >> and when that property was first purchased, did you move out there or still living in hampton? >> we had a house in hampton and also purchased the property in mozel which had a house. for the beginning stages there, hampton was still working as our primary residence. but i believe it was hurricane matthew or one of the hurricanes came through and blew a bunch of pine trees over on the house so

it had to get work done to it. from that point we moved out from hampton to mozel while the house was getting fixed and more or less it never transitioned back to hampton. almost like mozel became the primary residence. >> did your family also have a house in evanston? >> yes, sir. >> how often would you stay there? screw very free leant i. almost every weekend. >> when your family essential will i relocated to the mozel property and making it primary residence, were you still living at home in high school or member mem member-do you remember how old were? >> yes. >> do you remember when you transitioned to mozel and started saying there full-time during the school year? >> when i was still in high

school, we were living in the hampton house and i had gone off to college which is when that stuff happened and they moved out to mozel. >> when did you go off to college? >> 2014. >> sometimes after 2014 family relocated to mozel for the most part because of the hurricane damage. >> yes, sir. >> tell the jury a little bit about the mozel property. they've heard a fair amount but i think you probably know it better than anybody. >> that property is roughly 1700 acres and a lot of that is really not even accessible. a lot of swamp lands, a lot of stuff, no road systems or anything like that. but a big portion of it is --

has road systems and it is a big property. it is broken up into several parcels that border each other and we have 20 some odd deer stands, dove field, duck ponds all over the property. >> what type of hunting did you and your brother and father do there? >> everything, deer, duck, quail, dove, hogs. >> you have a duck pond? >> we have a duck pond. >> and the hunting was -- did you have a lot of friends come out and hunt as well? >> yes, sir. >> the jury has seen an aerial view of the property and there is the main house, sheds, kennels, and a house sort of right on the road. what do you call that house? >> that's the cabin >> did you live in the cabin

with friends over the summer? >> i did. the summer of my sophomore year after my sophomore year me and two of my buddies lived in the cabin. >> who are those buddies? >> knoll and ready. >> so we've -- we've heard about hogs and pigs on the property. tell the jury a little bit about that. >> about the hogs? we had a lot of hogs and if you don't know hogs are very destructive to a piece of property. we plant food plots for the deer, plant the fields for the doves and ducks and they basically go through and ruin it all. so given the high population of hogs, we would frequently go out and hunt them and try to cut the numbers down a little bit. >> what kind of guns did you

have there at that property? >> we had a lot of guns. >> did you have shotguns? >> yes. >> 12 gauge? >> 12 gauge, 20 gauge, 16 gauge, 28 gauge. >> how many type rifles did you have on the property? >> a lot. >> name some of them. >> 270, 270 short mag, seven millimeter 08, 243, 223, 300 blackout. >> what type of ammo did you keep on the property? >> all ammos for those calibers. >> where were the guns kept primarily? >> in the gun room at the main house there. >> was there a pool table in the gun room? >> there was. >> were there times when guns were left elsewhere on the

property? >> yes. >> just miss. >> i have left them at the shed before. left them on the golf cart we used that day. left them in a truck. guns would just not always find their way back to the gun room. >> how about paul? how was he with securing guns? >> not good. >> what do you mean by that? >> paul left guns probably more on the property than anybody else and just sometimes if he -- sometimes he would use my gun and leave it and i would have to track it down. >> right. did paul carry guns in his truck? >> he did. >> would he keep his truck locked up? >> no, not all the time. >> at some point in time you and paul received 300 black-outs for

christmas. >> yes, sir. >> was that 2016 or 2017? >> sounds right. >> what color was your 300 black out >> black. >> as you've been sitting in this courtroom the entire trial. >> yes, sir. >> is that your blackout that the jury saw? is that the one you got for christmas? >> yes, sir. >> what color was paul's? >> it was black and tan. >> what part was tan and what part was black? >> so the receiver would have been tan and the barrel would have been tan. >> what part was black? >> stock maybe. >> so yours was all black and his was black and tan. what happened to his that he got for christmas in 2016? >> his gun was apparently stolen, lost, taken, yeah.

>> how do you know that? >> that's just what paul told me. >> what happened to your gun after paul's was stolen? >> my gun was what we would both use. >> and did that create some confrontation between you two at times? >> yes, sir. >> why? >> like i touched on. he is not good at putting it back where he found it. i would leave it somewhere, i go back and want to get it and it is not there. >> did you notice, were you aware that paul got a replacement at some point in time? >> no, sir. >> you heard about that in the courtroom during the trial? >> yes, sir. >> up to that point did you ever see paul use the replacement? >> no, sir, i've never seen a replacement. >> when he was using the 300

blackout which one would it be in your presence? >> mine. >> there is -- i won't pull the guns out, buster, but there is a -- there was discussion and the jury has seen a 12 gauge with a mojo sticker on it. whose gun is that? >> that's mine. >> what is mojo? >> it's a brand of decoy. it is basically, you buy a wood duck mojo and it sits on a pole but the wings are motorized so it is to replicate a more alive duck. >> and did you -- why did yours have a sticker on it? >> in the box it came with a sticker and i put the sticker on the gun barrel. >> dana: you are watching the murdoch trial. that is buster, alex murdaugh's

younger son. the son, paul, who was killed along with the mother, who had been killed, this is very interesting and we will be watching this closely. he is a defense witness, bill. they think he will be helpful to their case. >> bill: he is there to -- maggie is 52 and she is dead. son paul age 22 is dead. buster age 26 is now on the stand. we'll see how it goes over the coming hours to come. in the meantime a new hour begins for us right now. >> dana: growing tensions as the u.s. sends a stern warning to china against helping china in ukraine and beijing said the u.s. is fueling the fire. it would cross a red line causing serious problems. welcome to a new hour of "america's newsroom." >> bill: i'm bill hemmer. feels like it is coming together, doesn't it? maybe not for the best. but we'll see how it goes.