♪ its how you hide a little lie, a little lie ♪ >> john: remember the biden administration mary poppins of disinformation. even though she got the boot, this one might have slid under your radar, it did not come with a song. >> gillian: i had forgotten about that, thank you for the reminder, john. state department is helping to bank roll a disinformation index. black lists certain conservative websites to defund and shut them down completely. >> john: jonathan turley says it's a far larger censorship than the biden administration never made public. see if it could uncover even more. welcome back as "america reports" rolls into a second hour. you had forgot ben that? >> gillian: i had, it had been a

minute since we had seen that as well. a lot to entertain us in washington. gillian turner in for sandra smith. tensions on the rise now as we fast approach a year of war in ukraine. >> stand strong. ukraine will never be a victory for russia, never. attack against one is attack against all. >> john: president biden blasting russian president vladimir putin for his assault on ukraine, but issue was left out of the speech. >> gillian: the president did not address putin's major nuclear warning to the west out this week, russia is suspending the nuclear arms control with the united states, opening the lid for potential weapons expansion. >> john: all of this as russian is looking to get a boost from communist china. xi jinping plans to visit moscow in the coming months.

beijing wants to play the role of peacemaker. some skeptics wonder if xi might have another agenda and if biden will do anything to stop him. >> tiktok is here, the ford -- chinese battery plant is coming, farmland is purchased around the air bases, no consequences for the chinese. little wonder they think they can send lethal aid to russia without a penalty. >> gillian: we'll take all of this up with mike lawler in just a moment. trey yingst joins us from the ground in kyiv. what did putin lay out in his speech today? >> gillian, good afternoon. russian president putin made his state of the nation address. his threats towards the west gained a lot of attention but also made a major announcement, saying that russia is suspending its participation in the new start nuclear weapons treaty. inspections of nuclear

facilities under this arms control agreement had already been halted since 2020, the new position illustrates a further fracture between russia and the west. the speech was more than an hour and a half and filled with falsehood. >> escalation and for the increasing number of victims lies entirely with the west elites, and kyiv for which the ukrainian people are essentially strangers. >> in reality, it was russia that invaded ukraine. putin's remarks come 24 hours after president biden visited kyiv. biden announced 450 million military aid package, anti-tank missiles and ammunition. more details are expected as an american congressional delegation was in the ukrainian

capital this afternoon, led by michael mccall, the group met with president zelenskyy and the need for a more aggressive timeline and weapons delivery. >> the plan is just enough to bleed through the winter and spring but not enough for victory. we need to give them enough for victory. and there are members in this cabinet, in this administration who agree with me. >> the chairman told me the most in influential part of the trip to ukraine was visiting the key suburb of bucha to look at the aftermath of war crimes. >> john: new york republican congressman mike lawler, member of the house foreign affairs committee, and play an excerpt and get your response to it. >> when president putin ordered his tanks to roll in ukraine, he thought we would roll over, he

was wrong. the ukrainian people are too brave. america, europe, coalition of nations, the atlantic to the pacific, we were too unified. the democracy was too strong. >> john: your thoughts about the speech. so far the coalition has held together but russian is planning a big offensive by all accounts this spring and putying doubling down as well saying the provinces are his. >> well, i think obviously earlier today with vladimir putin's remarks we heard the delusional rantings of a mad man. and i think it was good that president biden made the trip to ukraine with president zelenskyy and obviously my colleagues on the foreign affairs committee following that up, and i think that's positive. because we need to show a unified support for ukraine, vladimir putin cannot be allowed to succeed because if he does,

if he succeeds in ukraine, he will not stop there. and that has been one of my biggest concerns, my wife is from maldova, a neighboring country to ukraine, her family still lives there and putin has made comments to the effect that they could go there next. united states and allies in europe have held strong. i don't think putin anticipated that. not only with respect to russia but also china, it is critical that we do. and it is also critical as chairman mccaul pointed out in his comments we give them the weaponry they need to succeed to win the war and i think that is critically important. >> john: in terms of moldova, it's believed putin wanted to build a land bridge and take over moldova from there. you said the speech was delusional rantings of a mad

man, but he has a lot of nuclear weapons and pulled out of the new start treaty, seemed to be in response to biden going to kyiv, even though the russians were advised of, would be a finger in the eye to putin. >> well look, i think it is important. vladimir putin is the one who started this war. vladimir putin invaded a sovereign nation and has tried to take over ukraine and as i said, if he is allowed to succeed, he will not stop there, and so you know, he can be as upset as he wants, but this is a disaster of his own making, and i think the fact that he is pulling out of the nuclear arms treaty just speaks volumes to the irrational behavior that we have witnessed over the last year. >> john: i want to ask you about this, congressman, domestic issue, you made the fight against crime a central plank of your upset campaign last year. there's a war of words erupted

between new york city mayor eric adams and florida governor ron desantis, desantis is doing the pro police tour. desantis took an aim saying welcome to new york city, governor desantis, we don't ban books, discriminate against our lgbtq neighbors, asylum seekers as props, we are happy to teach you something of values while you are here. desantis's spokeswoman shot back, nice rhetoric. more americans fled new york city, more americans move to florida than any other state. who has it right here, adams or desantis, and do you see the tour, desantis paving the way for 2024 run? >> i think the governor of florida is correct. i mean, new york state has led the nation in outmigration for over a decade, and large part has nothing to do with the weather and everything to do with affordability and public

safety. and under the cashless bail law, adams himself ran on and won on trying to fix, it has created an absolute mess in new york city. 40% of those released on nonmonetary bail for offenses have been arrested. crime is up year over year in 2023. so the mayor should spend less time partying, and a lot more time focused on holding the governor and the state legislature accountable for these disastrous policies that have made new york city less safe. frankly, he should be partnering with governor desantis to hold governor hochul accountable here. >> john: do you think this is a prelude to a 2024 run? >> it certainly appears that way, and look, we have some rising stars in the party and so i'm looking forward to a robust presidential primary. >> john: it will be that, no

question. congressman mike lawler, good to catch up with you. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> john: not to be flip, but the weather in florida is pretty good. >> gillian: you can't argue with that, that's just a fact. >> john: i lived in miami for a time, and it was dang nice down there. >> gillian: i wonder when desantis is going to declare, if he is going to declare. >> john: june, maybe july. see who else comes out. pence may come out some time in the spring, don't know, tim scott could announce, but i think we'll get a flurry of announcements before july. >> gillian: keep the attention and infighting on others and build a space for yourself to come out at the best possible moment. >> john: so you could attract all the fire. >> gillian: you are never going to avoid it. i had a boss who once said hard things never get better with age. time is ticking for president biden as well to declare his own

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community to manage this aftermath alone. >> gillian: epa administrator and other officials are back in east palestine, trying to assure that the air and water is safe. a new health clinic is up and running, a variety of medical issues, everything from nausea to nose bleeds. transportation secretary pete buttigieg is calling for several reforms to the rail standards to strengthen safety rules. he plans to visit the derailment site when the time is right. when do you think the time will be right? if you were a petting man, how much and when? >> john: i do not know. but i do know that trent conaway, the mayor of east palestine, he does not want him to show up unless he has a shovel in his hand. >> gillian: and how much can officials show up and do to

help, i don't know. >> john: if you go in the early days, and let's be clear. transportation secretary is not the secretary of state, right. not the secretary of defense, it's the transportation secretary and the transportation sent's job is seen mostly as a workman like thing, where you deal with problems that this country has got with transportation and infrastructure. and if there's something like a big train derailment and there's a question of toxic chemicals rolling through these small towns, going out there in the early days to survey the scene and reassure town folk ain't the worst thing to do. >> gillian: maybe the ship has sailed. >> john: i think it has, unless he brings a shovel. president biden on the world stage in poland but when he returns to the u.s. this week, the clock will be ticking on his 2024 decision. this as republican challengers start to line up for their shot

to make him a one-term president. jacqui heinrich is live on the north lawn and jacqui, how is the president's trip playing in the 2024 discussions? between the state of the union, the visit to kyiv, and the speech in poland, that's a pretty good roll-out for a re-elect announcement. >> yeah, john, keeping nato aligned in the face of putin's war in defense of not just ukraine but also democratic norms is what biden considers to be one of his bigger achievements in office, and his continued success on that front has won him respect on that issue, even from people on the other side of the aisle. >> it was a good presidential move. he's a wartime president. look, we are in a proxy war with russia, whether we like it or not. i'm an america first guy and i believe america first is not isolationism, it's not america alone. >> a recent fox news poll shows majority of americans support sending money and weapons to ukraine as biden has done, even

rising a couple of points since june of last year. potential 2024 contenders are zeroing in on other priorities. florida governor ron desantis, widely expected to jump in the race, now making a number of stops in blue states to express support for law enforcement, capitalizing on polls showing 80% of voters call high crime a top concern, compared with 68% who said the same thing about the ukraine war. >> i don't think any of this would have happened but for the weakness that the president showed during his first year in office, culminating, of course, in the disastrous withdrawal in afghanistan. i think while he's over there, i and many americans are thinking okay, he's very concerned about those borders halfway and the world, he's not done anything to secure our own border here at home. >> gillian: 2024 candidate nikki haley's comments show how republicans will likely respond to what democrats are going to play as biden's foreign policy

achievements. >> look at the fact that biden fell all over himself to get back into the iran deal. the idea that americans and that american children would look to the sky and see a chinese spy balloon looking back at them, they know this is the weakest president we have ever had. >> so biden has not yet declared his own candidacy. it is expected soon, i was told that he would first make a number of stops to tout his achievements. he's done a number of them across the country, now we can add this surprise visit to a war zone to that list, john. >> john: and quite a surprise it was, and logistical under taking as well. hats off to the secret service for getting him in and out safely. jacqui, thank you. gillian. >> gillian: more americans now are racking up debt as they try to cope with inflation and rising interest rates. according to a new study from wallethub, the typical household owed more than $142,000 by the end of last year, adds up

nationwide to $17 trillion, the highest national debt level since the 2008 financial crisis. let's bring in james freeman, and fox news contributor. so, james, americans are grappling with historically high levels of debt, pretty much across the board every kind of debt you could think of, personal credit card loans, to mortgages, we just laid out there, household debt. and then, of course, compounding this problem is the fact that interest rates are simultaneously reaching historic highs. >> it's disturbing, and it's one of the puzzles of this economy. you look at this great, what's still a great job market, historically low unemployment and you wonder how are consumers seemingly so stressed. you mentioned the debt increase, biggest since 2008, in terms of the debt, and auto loans, delinquencies are rising there, and as you point out, this is a

stressed consumer because even though jobs are plentiful, inflation is eating away at our purchasing power and we are seeing the stress, obviously a lot of fears that we may be heading into recession, i don't think we are doomed to recession, but this shows that americans can't afford one. >> gillian: so this debate comes, of course, as this national debt showdown is underway here in washington on capitol hill. republicans are trying to use these debt -- not really debt negotiations, i don't think any negotiating has been going on, but the debt talks, i guess, right, as a vehicle to try and get the biden administration to commit to reduce spending. are they going to have success with that? >> yeah, i guess it's hard to be optimistic when we are talking about washington and whether it might restrain spending, but i think maybe what's helpful, so this point i think it's been

treated as a political story and i think math is starting to intrude on these discussions. the federal government just like the consumer is feeling the stress of that spending frenzy, the inflation that came with it, and now the higher interest rates that follow. the fed needs to employ to fight that inflation. so it's harder for the consumer to avoid -- to afford mortgages, it's harder for the government to make interest payments on the federal debt. so i think last week's report from the score keeper, the congressional budget office, showing that the fiscal situation of the country is in much worse shape than it projected last springing has started to get the attention of some politicians. i'm hoping they understand beyond politics and whether you think someone is being unreasonable or not, it's just the basic math that some spending restraint has got to be

employed. >> gillian: social security, new reporting shows the whole program could go belly up as soon as 2032, so nine years from now. take a look at what bill mcgurn, your colleague wrote. for mr. biden, easiest thing to do to protect himself from social security from the evil republicans, but delays talks of necessary fixes until the problem becomes virtually insoluable. is it virtual or actually? >> it gets harder and harder every moment that the president refuses to address this iceberg debt ahead, and the numbers are really striking. manhattan institute looked at the cbo numbers from last week. he's looking at the social security and medicare shortfall, talking about over 100 trillion

over the next 30 years. federal debt, even just looking at the next ten years, you are talking about more than 20 trillion. so this really, really has to be addressed and you can't solve it by raising taxes on the 1%, that's not enough. you could do the bernie sanders wealth tax, raise individuals rates up above 70% at the high end, that would not solve the problem. so, i think the president has been enjoying a moment where he's been able to avoid the economic reality and he sees this as a political winner, but i think as interest rates stay high, the federal government has a harder time funding its debt, he's going to find it unsustainable. >> gillian: james, we have to leave it there. thanks for taking time with us. jan. >> john: jan? the brady bunch, right here on

tv for you. >> gillian: sorry. >> john: censorship that targets conservative may have slid under the radar and in part funded by the state department. jonathan turley tells us it may be coming to an end. he joins us coming up next. >> gillian: popular a.i. chat bot is accused of being bias, especially when asked about politics. can chatgpt really be impartial if the programmers behind it are not.

bot, chatgpt, and now software they say can only be as impartial as the people programming it. kelly, how concerned should people be about chatgpt trying

to push a specific political narrative? >> gillian, when it comes to specific topics that may be a valid concern. we decided to poke under the hood ourselves, and what we found is a mounting scramble to address those bias concerns. chatgpt is adding disclaimers to appear more balanced. we asked the a.i. questions about critical race theory a few weeks apart. answers remained similar. on february 13th, response to whether white people have privilege was resounding yes. but yes the chat bot qualifies the answer, saying it's important to recognize people's experiences are shaped by a variety of factors, and we found inconsistencies in topics, race, gender, politics. when asked to describe joe biden negatively, a.i. refused. i'm designed to remain neutral and impartial in my responses. it's not appropriate or productive to engage in negative

personal attacks on individuals. but the same for former president trump, caveats but provides the info, here are some potential negative descriptions of donald trump based on public perception. appear to be spot treatments, some contradictions are deep rooted. one says the a.i. must be taken with a grain of salt. >> in all likelihood, there is going to be some kind of slant one way or another. not everything that's coming out of this platform is going to be true and accurate. you need to follow up on this, test things out, ensure what's coming out of the platform is good, is accurate. >> and gillian, if you ask chatgpt if you should trust art if -- artificial intelligence, it says it's only as good as its creators. >> john: we have heard a lot

about social media company censoring against critics, british organization called the global disinformation index, funded in part by the state department, used to steer advertisers away from conservative websites. jonathan turley writing about it in "the hill" arguing the biden administration has quietly helped score conservative speech. and moments ago, this. fox news alert and breaking news on this, we are just learning jonathan turley exposing this controversial program has led the state department to cut off that funding. professor turley joins us now. john, sounds like you caught someone with their hand in the cookie jar. >> well, what i know is that after "the hill" column ran, i was contacted by the national endowment to say that they are withdrawing any further funding

of the global disinformation index. and that's a commendable decision because the index was, in my view, overtly biased. ranked the ten most dangerous sites for disinformation and included virtual -- all of them were virtually conservative or libertarian sites, some of the most popular among conservatives. included a site just law professors who would talk about cases and give their own take. and the index itself used terms that were so subjective they were almost beyond definition that they would rank these sites with. and so they listed the huffington post as among the most reliable, and then for the most risky, listed all these conservative and libertarian sites. now, there is still a lot of questions that remain. the national endowment has said that they didn't get any direction from the biden administration to fund this, but i've asked them whether they

informed the administration that they were funding it. they have also said they had other donors for this program, and i've asked them about that question, because they are given over $300 million. this is a congressionally created organization. it's problematic to say the least. it is funding this type of scoring system directly or indirectly. >> john: so the biden administration tried to do this very publicly with the disinformation governance board and the mary poppins of disinformation, that fell on its face very quickly. was this a much more insidious way of doing much the same thing? >> well, that's why we need to know more and it's not clear, john. the concern is that the biden administration played us all for chumps in the disinformation board. they put up this big fight to preserve the board, they finally agreed to dismantle it. but we have learned recently from the twitter files that as

many as 80 fbi agents were already working to target citizens for censorship with companies like twitter. that was never revealed at the time and now we find out there is funding that might have -- that certainly went to the national endowment and the national endowment turns out to be funding a scoring system for speech on the internet. >> john: what you wrote about in "the hill," overall effort, not just this british organization, you said the full range of such efforts by the biden administration is still unclear. what is clear is that the government is working to censor and harass sites with opposing views on subjects ranging from the pandemic to climate change to elections. there's no doubt in your mind, according to the article in "the hill" the government is trying to censor free speech. >> well, look, i have to tell you, i think president biden is the most anti-free speech president since john adams. he has said publicly that without having our views censored or edited on the

internet to his words, how will the public know the truth. that's the view of the president and i think it's reflected in all of these different efforts. the problem is on the free speech side, we are left with the game of whack a mole. every time, up pops an index. and disinformation and censorship efforts, the democrats have opposed those investigates. we are having a difficult time to find out how extensive the effort has been with the biden administration. >> john: and then you are left to wonder who is the great oracle, the great arbitor of the truth here. where does that lie? >> exactly. >> john: always fascinating to catch up with you. appreciate it. >> gillian: jonathan turley is one of the best. texas governor says the state is taking things in his own hands

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roundtable a few minutes from now, to discuss the state's ongoing attempt to secure the broken southern border as the migrant crisis is taking a toll on new york city residents, business owners are sounding off about the costly plan the government has to house more people than the city is equipped to handle. live fox team coverage on this, madison alworth is in new york city this hour. begin first with casey stegall live in texas, that roundtable is taking place any moment. what do you expect to hear from it? >> well, gillian, think of this as really a brainstorming session, if you will, a meeting of the minds with top leaders attempting to secure the southern border, something that governor greg abbott says they are doing in president biden's absence. joining governor abbott is going to be the director of texas dps, department of public safety, two state lawmakers, also the head of the texas military department, including his newly

appointed border czar, mike banks, retired b.p. agent was tapped by abbott to help curb crime and accelerate building the state's border wall, this as governor abbott and gop lawmakers seek additional $4.6 billion in funding for border security. close to 4 billion has already been spent on operation lone star, officials say has resulted in the apprehensions of more than 350,000 migrants and more than 362 million fatal doses of fentanyl seized. however, texas dps also says since this crisis began, more than 1.2 million known got-aways have been recorded, so in other words, it's not known who is slipping into the country. agents in the del rio sector did recently catch three convicted child sex offenders trying to illegally enter the country. one had been previously deported as early as 2022 from the u.s. no shortage of agenda items to

talk about, in other words, out here as this border meeting gets underway shortly. gillian. >> gillian: casey stegall, thank you. john. >> john: new york city business owners say the border crisis is hurting their bottom line. since they housed migrants in hotels, nearby stores have seen sales plummet, forcing some of them to lay off staff members. madison is live in new york city with the latest on this. madison. >> john, yes, these businesses seeing plummeting sales, and sienna big house says sales are down 25% from the beginning of the month when this hotel behind me was converted to a migrant shelter. all 50 floors being used as shelter for those migrant, and they say without the tourist foot traffic they are worried about their future as a business. take a listen. >> immediately as soon as it closed we felt a drop. the area got quieter, even locals avoiding the area, you

know, trouble, stuff like that. so we don't know what's going to be the immediate, like the ultimate result of this, but usually it's not good. >> across the street at waddle cafe, the manager telling fox business "we probably lost at least 50% of what we were bringing in." both are frustrated that decisions were made without considering local new york businesses. >> they constantly do stuff like this, and they never consult the business, they are just like the little guy, all right, we'll shove a bunch of people into that hotel, they don't consider what could happen to the local business, the little guy, they never look out for us, constantly new stuff, that's why we are always complaining. >> all of this, of course, costing the taxpayer as well. each room in this hotel goes for $109 a night. each day, a bill of around $100,000, and john, we have many days ahead of us, the contract

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>> for white supremacists and racists, she's the perfect candidate. i'm disgusts by people like nikki haley that know better. she uses her brown skin as a weapon against poor brown folks and uses her brown skin to launder white supremist talking points. >> we have steve here, author of "uncovered." it's hard in the case of nikki haley to untangle the threads of bias at play and figure out whether she's being attacked because she's a woman, because she's a conservative or both she's an ethnic minority. >> all of the above. it's sort of disturbing. you see them right there. they've been doing this thing about racially sexist point of view or just attacking all trump supporters going back a couple years when he was on cnn in a

viral clip that was just gross. there doesn't seem to be much penalty for this. those are the sort of attackses that you'd get people being critical on the other side of. instead, we see this over and over again. with no penalty. instead, he's rewarted with more cable news hits and furthering of his career and more book deals. it's a pattern. we saw this when larry elder ran for governor. it's absurd and it really just highlights the hypocrisy of the media where there's no guardrails on what they'll say. >> certainly no guardrails when it comes to race-based attacks like the one we saw against republican tim scott last year. i won't repeat what was said about him. but in certain instances, there's really no shying away from the fact that people are attacking certain political

candidates still today because of the color of their skin. >> absolutely. i think this really is something that is contributing to the distrust in the media. the trust in the media is at lowest levels of all time. and ali doesn't understand this is getting the opposite effect. i would say surely, yes, the right doesn't like it, but independents, even the left normal people on the left who are in most of the country and not in d.c. and new york news rooms, they're not a fan of this. they find it to be gross and disrespectful of nikki haley who is a politician that a lot of people have respect for on both sides of the aisle, this is getting worse. i write about this in "uncovered." it's detrimental to the media. they don't understand the effect that it's having. >> is there a course of corrective action that can be

taken? >> i hope so. i do think it starts by having some sort of intraspection by the media saying why is it that we're so distrusted. in "uncovered", i talked to 26 reporters, "the new york times" and washington people. great reporters like john roberts who is featured in the book. we try to get to -- >> it's okay. >> these are the problems in the press, how do we get things better. we need a strong trusted press. we just don't have one right now. we need to find a way to get back there. they need to understand, step back and actually have some humility and figure out why the public doesn't trust them. >> steve, we have to leave it there. interesting stuff. thanks for taking time with us. >> thanks very much. >> you bet. >> as long as steve doesn't call me jan. thanks. piece of modern tech history fetches a pretty penny at auction. a first generation iphone sold

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