marty makary says people are left now with more -- >> public health has been hurt using dogma over science saying confidently people should do something when the reality was they were unsure. >> we emailed all nine city health departments. only one got back to us, seattle who said in a statement that king county was among the lowest in metropolitan cities for covid cases and deaths and the vaccination verification program was part of that success. >> bill: still learning. amazing. griff, thank you, griff jenkins on that story in washington. >> dana: fox news alert top of the hour. now topping the news. some house republicans are calling for a full investigation after their military records were improperly released to a group with close ties to democrats. that was during the 2022

mid-terms. cross-country winter storm having a major impact bringing blissard conditions to the upper midwest and significant icing through the great lakes as it heads to the northeast. more than half a million customers losing power so far. transportation secretary pete buttigieg finally visiting east palestine, ohio nearly three weeks after the train wreck there. the ntsb will release its initial findings today and we'll have more on those stories throughout the hour. but first republicans getting a close-up look at president biden's border crisis. the house judiciary committee is holding a field hearing today in yuma, arizona to find out how illegal immigration is affecting the local community there. welcome to a new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm dana perino. you were just there in yuma. >> bill: we were down there. i'm bill hemmer. good morning. they were getting read at the for this at the time. i was told at least some members of the democratic party or staff would attend. that's not the case. it is only republicans.

today's field hearing they campaigned on this, remember. the set along the southern border features testimony from arizona sheriffs who deal with the problem every hour of every day. numbers make it clear to see. the problem is clearly growing. migrant encounters up 72% last year and still rising again this year. up another 6.4% since october. lawmakers will also take a tour before the hearing to meet with local farmers and healthcare providers. the house speaker kevin mccarthy blasting democrats who will not show as republicans say they are looking for solutions. >> the new majority in congress, we will fight to fix this problem. no longer will the democrats be able to ignore the issue and act like it is not happening. we will have hearings on the border. it's the responsibility of all members to attend. >> dana: bill melugin is live in city hall in yuma as this is

about to get underway. good morning. >> good morning to you. when the gop-led house judiciary committee holds their first hearing later today as you guys mentioned they'll do so without any of their democratic colleagues. not a single democrat on the committee is showing up for this event today. they are boycotting it and calling what's happening a political stunt. something the republicans say is utterly ridiculous. in the meantime take a look at the video. we were with the republicans last night as they toured of border patrol yuma sector from the border patrol union. jim jordan and matt gaetz and andy bigs and a dozen others got to see the border wall that end in the middle of nowhere. the yuma sector had more than 310,000 illegal crossings. the highest number ever recorded for the sector and a tripling of the numbers from 2021. again, no democrat showing up for this field hearing today. i asked some of the republicans to respond to that.

take a listen. >> congressman, no democrats on the strip. they say it is a political stunt. >> i say it's a mess and frankly if the democrats knew how bad the policy has been, millions of people, illegal migrants come across the border in the last couple of years i would probably stay away, too. >> a message of disrespect and it disrespects the american people. >> take a look at this image last week here in the yuma second for border patrol agents arrested a drug smuggler with 93 pounds of fentanyl in a bag he was bringing across the border. the mug shot last week as well agents also arrested a convicted felon and gang member from mexico who crossed illegally. back out here live some of the things they'll talk about. they will be meeting with the local hospital out here in yuma today. the only hospital in the area. they say they're on the verge of financial collapse after spending $20 million in six

months treating illegal immigrants without any reimbursement or payment for it. we'll send it back to you. >> dana: thank you so much. joining us for more on this california congressman tom mcclintock a republican on the judiciary committee. what do you want to accomplish today? >> first and foremost we want to hear from the people most immediately affected by this border crisis and sound a warning to the rest of the country that every community in america is now becoming a border community and these problems are going to be facing every community in america. the numbers are stagger. since this administration took offers they admitted 1.9 million illegal immigrants. 800,000 not given notices to appear. another 2.9 million gotaways have entered the country as well. 3.1 million. that's a population larger than the entire state of arkansas, a

state that has seven congressional seats in 25 months. homeless, impoverished, desperate and we have to ask ourselves the impact on the schools, on the hospitals, on the working americans' job prospects, what is going on with introducing this mass of fentanyl into our neighborhoods. how this affects communities, introducing violent cartels into them and making it all but impossible to deport criminal illegal aliens. it will be happening across the country if it isn't already in your community, it will be soon. >> bill: seeing is believe. unless you see it to yourself it doesn't take on the impact you have. you are from california and your wall is finished, 160 miles long. in the yuma sector alone that sends 110 to 118 miles there are gaps all over the place and part

of the reason why yuma has so many problems. why would your democratic colleagues not want to see that? >> i believe it's deliberate poll cismd it is calculated. for two years we couldn't get the democrats to hold a single hearing on the crisis, not one. in the first six weeks of this session republicans have held two. we've come down to the border to ask the people at ground 0 to tell us about their experiences. not a single democrat on the committee showed up to listen. that speaks for itself. >> dana: jerry nadler, congressman from new york, the ranking member on judiciary gave this statement saying that instead of focusing on real solutions to a complicated problem. judiciary republicans will once again not hear from any federal government witnesses at their hearing further cementing this hearing as a brazen act of political grandstanding. i don't understand that. you could be in washington and have a hearing. they didn't have a hearing. you could have washington witnesses. it doesn't matter where you are. people are affected right there where you are.

which is i assume you want to take the hearing on the road in the first place. >> we've heard from administration officials for the last two years assuring us there is no crisis. the border is secure. i'm sure we will hear more and more from them. the words sound very hollow when you come here and view the situation. >> bill: sir, thank you for your time and we'll be looking for headlines from your hearing today. tom mcclintock, republican from california in yuma. beautiful town, by the way. whole county is a giant produce field. lettuce, celery, you name it, it is down there. they supply 90% of the produce that you eat as an american this time of year. extraordinary. >> dana: we thank you. >> bill: good luck. maybe they push the ball a little forward with the hearing today. eight minutes past the hour. mother nature is bringing a lot of issues out there. major winter storm knocking out power to hundreds of thousands of homes across the country. americans in southern california

to the northeast seeing snow and ice and blizzard conditions and max gordon knows it well. he is in minneapolis from fox weather. i've seen a lot of pictures of minnesota. they are getting it now. how is it going? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. this morning the twin cities are digging out and the flakes continue to fly. the national weather service office is just a little to the west of us reporting 12 1/2 inches of snow. a little bit on the lower end of what was initially forecast but doesn't mean that conditions aren't dangerous out there. you can see here in downtown minneapolis we have snow-covered streets and just to the south of us all roads are closed and there are no travel advisories that have been issued. state patrol says there were more than 100 spin-outs overnight. some injuries have been reported due to this storm because of crashes. conditions are dangerous out there. minneapolis st. paul

international airports hundreds of flights are canceled there but here in minneapolis, people are adept to the snow and folks have been a little underwhelmed by the storm. it should taper off this afternoon but replaced by bitter cold, negative 20 degree windchills expected in minneapolis. >> bill: nice to have you there. viewers, check out for continuing coverage, scan the qr code on the screen right there. download the fox weather app or stream fox weather on your favorite device. it's all free. get it now. >> dana: you are looking in south carolina where disgraced former attorney alex murdaugh is expected to take the stand in his double murder. a friend of the boys of his sons is on the stand now. then he will be next. >> bill: you wonder if we're about to see a perry mason moment. this is a pivotal time for this trial. he stands accused of killing his

wife and his youngest son. he is about to defend himself publicly for the first time. >> dana: very unusual to have a defense witness like this take the stand. as soon as he does we'll bring it to you live. >> i don't think there are any giant -- that's not the way i expected this to go at all. >> a little bizarre. >> bill: that's the georgia jury foreperson on a media blitz speaking out publicly, will it jeopardize the investigation into donald trump? >> dana: hunter biden snubbing a request for documents from house republicans. will their next request to the president's son come in the form of a subpoena? it's possible. >> it will always be a last resort. but if our hand is forced, yeah, i think subpoenas will be

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>> bill: we're now hearing out of east palestine, ohio the ntsb releasing a preliminary report. they will look at everything. focus on the wheel set and bearing on the train and each car. look at a tank car design and derailment damage. look at the accident response. look at the burning of the vinyl chloride, why they did it and how they did it and whether it was the right way. they will look at everything. it could be a lot of times like in airplane crashes. this takes upwards of a year before we get solid answers from the government. so they are off and running and see what answers we get in time from east palestine, a moment ago. 17 past now.

>> dana: a forewoman of a grand jury in georgia that is raising eyebrows during a bizarre media tour. touting her involvement in an active case. the case in question just happens to be president trump's role in seeking to overturn the 2020 election. a snippet from one of her recent interviews. >> we definitely heard a lot about former president trump and we definitely discussed him a lot in the room. and i would say that when the list comes out you wouldn't -- there are no major plot twists waiting for you. >> dana: david spunt is live in washington with more. >> let me start out by saying announcing the existence of a grand jury is typically a no, no. highly unusual. months ago in fulton county, georgia was grand jury looked at evidence in a case involving the

former president's efforts to overturn the 2020 election, specifically with respect to georgia and his conversations with the secretary of state about finding votes. now that foreperson emily kohrs doing the media blitz at times smirking and smiling. >> i will be sad if nothing happens. that's about my only request there is for something to happen. i don't necessarily know what it is. i'm not the legal expert or the judge or lawyers but i will be frustrated if nothing happens. >> it is not a short list. we're talking about more than a dozen people? >> i would say that, yes. >> are these recognizable names, names that people would know? >> there are certainly names you would recognize, yes. >> kohrs was part of a special grand jury only looking at evidence, not a charging grand jury that can issue indictments.

but still this could hurt the overall case as those who eventually are indicted. we don't know the names yet. they could say through their attorneys they want them thrown out because of prejudice and media tour. we reached out to ms. kohrs for an interview but haven't heard back. that's highly unusual. >> dana: she will turn that one do? do everybody else? what's the matter, cat has her tongue now i guess. david spunt. thank you. >> they continue to act like they don't understand why the house oversight committee would bother to request this information. they know exactly why we're looking into it and the family's influence peddling and the family controlsed the line and taken millions of dollars from our adversaries for no good reason. >> bill: james comer on hunter biden missing a deadline last

night to hand over documents to the republican-led panel investigating the biden family. he is facing a potential subpoena. we'll see how it goes. the author of the new book uncovered and founder and editor of fourth watch. steve, good to have you on. good morning. you are getting a very interesting reception, i would say, based on your book thus far. one headline on our website right now. media censorship of the hunter biden laptop story was horrible and then it got worse. do you think that based on the book that you wrote, was this the canary in the coal mine for you? >> yeah, i do think the hunter biden laptop story is a great example of what i call the elite censorship collusion racket. tech platforms colluding in a way, talking in advance with the f.b.i. and the government and then you have the media on top of it which worked to essentially suppress the story time.

years later said oh, the laptop is real. in realtime acting as if it was this potential russian disinformation was story line people got. i do think it represented a new moment here because it is one thing during the trump era to do things in a biased way against the trump administration, cover things and not cover other administrations in the way you did with the trump years. then to go to this level and what we've seen since. stories like covid in addition to the hunter biden laptop story where the media themselves was working to in this anti-speech way. you would think the media would be about free speech, first amendment but the opposite. the rise of describing everything that goes against the narrative as miss information. that's alarming. one thing for activists to do it but to come from journalists themselves should alarm all

americans. >> dana: there are so many examples you could put out a book a year with all the examples that are out there. want to play for you something that i think is important. this is about somebody you talk about in the book about geographical bias. that's -- we care about that a lot here. hammer and i are not from the coast. listen to cnn how they first reported about palestine, ohio. >> hard core trump country. >> this was not a trump plus 20 district as you said i don't think you would be seeing him there if it was anything that was much closer. he has been looking for opportunities to put himself in the news cycle. >> dana: that's one example. geographical bias is real. you see it every day? >> that's incredible. so trump is making it a political thing not the fact that mayor pete is there the day after trump when he should have been there weeks before. why wasn't he there? why wasn't that being covered by the corporate press?

that's unbelievable. yeah. november 2016 we had the inflection point when trump was elected and it shocked the news rooms that are based in new york city and d.c. there was a brief period that said we got the story wrong. how do we not know anyone who voted for trump and find out what happened here. everyone is on the record and says she was brought in by jeff zucker at cnn to be the voice and within weeks she was sidelined for the length of her contract for years because that moment of introspection how did we get it wrong. the geographic bias is back and not an attack an trump himself or the trump administration but half of the country. not only an attack, a lack of curiosity about what is happening and what are people thinking in the rest of the country. it is so pervasive and a bias much worse than political.

it cuts across party lines. >> bill: good luck with the book. it is really interesting and something you can come across every day and you put in a tome. good luck. >> dana: court is underway in south carolina. you are looking at a live picture. alex murdaugh is expected to testify in his own defense. he is the defendant. i called him a defense witness. somebody corrected me on that and she was right to. when this trial resumes we expect to see mr. murdaugh on the stand and we'll bring it to you live as it happens. plus the air force improperly leaking the military records of some house republicans. we'll hear from one of them, nebraska congressman don bacon, what he says should happen next. >> the real culprit is the democrat campaign arm of the congressional campaign committee who paid $105,000 to a democrat

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mike emanuel has more. >> lawmakers demanding answers into the unauthorized release of their military records during the 2022 campaign cycle. the office of the secretary of the air force says 11 individual records were released over a 14-month period from october 2021 to december 2022 to. a private research firm that received more than $113,000 from the democrat's campaign arm. one lawmaker said how it all happened. >> they used forms perpetrating myself or an entity working on my behalf and fed that information to the department of the air force. the department of the air force was told us that information was supposed to be validated. there was an error on their part. >> research firm describes itself on its website at due diligence group. we specialize in using public

records research to provide our clients with the knowledge and incites needed to drive strategic decision making. these lawmakers we're talking about served in the air force. now two powerful house committee chairs are demanding that secretary of defense lloyd austin provide a list of all improperly-released records of congressional candidates by monday. the democratic congressional campaign committee has not responded to our request for comment. dana. >> dana: mike emanuel. thank you so much. we tried to get jennifer ruth green on yesterday. >> nebraska congressman don bacon was affected. thank you for your time. do you think a crime was committed here or was the air force just simply duped? what do you think? >> the air force was duped. they thought we were requesting this information for our own careers and resume building. the democrat organization paid for by the democratic campaign congressional committee, they

were paid $110,000 to do this. they used our social security numbers and other personal identification information to look like it was us making the request. the air force was deceived. the real culprit is the dccc who paid $110,000 to this due diligence firm who did identity theft to get this information. they used this information, wherever they thought they found and area they could exploit like jennifer ruth green who had to relive her sexual assault and it hurt her in her campaign. >> bill: you are saying there was involvement on behalf of the democratic congressional campaign committee. >> yes, we call them the dccc paid $110,000 to do this background research. collect the research and give it back to the dccc and then used this information, whatever way they found effective to hurt the

republican candidate. you ask if this is illegal? it was identity theft at a minimum. our lawyers say there is a crime committed. what the department of justice -- >> bill: a few questions here. was this information available publicly? >> no, it is not. this was 30 years of records in my case. i have nothing to hide. i made brigadier general. i'm proud of my records but in some situations and with other people there were sensitive information there. when you are a victim of a sexual assault and someone leaks that back out, that person has to relive it a second time. this information was not available to the public. >> bill: a couple things. jennifer ruth green we tried to get her on yesterday and had trouble with the satellite here. a statement. there must be full transparency. investigation find. those responsible should face criminal charges and be held accountable for their actions.

i don't know what they wanted in you. maybe you do. you had a re-election that was pretty interesting to watch. ultimately will the air force be held accountable, sir? >> i think the air force has taken account bill. they volunteered what happened and put fixes in place. the accountability needs to be with the dccc and the operative who lied saying they were us. the identity theft. i hope the department of justice takes this on. >> bill: thank you for your time. it is intriguing. don bacon, the republican from nebraska. >> dana: talk about dirty tricks, right? >> bill: that's a new one, right? or at least if it plays out the way they are saying -- >> dana: they got caught. >> bill: might have been the first time they got caught. >> dana: a trial date that will likely be set today against a man accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband, details on the charges he is fighting. plus a right of passage going by the wayside. more and more teens are ditching the driver's license for uber.

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>> bill: the principal players are back inside the courtroom. a alex murdaugh will be on the witness stand in a matter of moments. stand by for that and we'll bring it to you live when it begins. in the meantime 18 minutes now before the hour. >> dana: in another case the man accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband is due in a california court today and his trial date will be set most likely. 42-year-old david depop has pleaded not guilty to state felony charges including

attempted murder and faces separate federal charges. claudia cowan is live in san francisco with the details. >> the next legal step in this high-profile case as he gets a court date to stand trial on multiple felony charges stemming from that vicious attack last october on paul pelosi which was caught on camera by two police officers who responded to 911 call about an intruder made by paul pelosi. their body-worn cameras captured the moment he swung a hammer into pelosi's head leaving him unconscious in a pool of blood. it also showed depap bringing in through a glass door and his confession. during an interview he candidly laid out his plan to kidnap nancy pelosi and break her kneecaps and followed that with a chilling jail house phone call apologizing for not going

further. in a parallel case he faces kidnapping and assault charges in federal court but the state's case here in san francisco superior court goes first and when we'll hear from paul pelosi. at recent public appearances with his wife, he has worn a hat and gloves to hide his injuries as he continues to recover from multiple skull fractures and emotional trauma. the 82-year-old pelosi has not spoken publicly about the attack but eventually he will be called upon to testify as both a victim and a witness. along with setting a trial date, the judge here may also impose a gag order which would mean we'll have to wait until the trial to hear the defense strategy. in a case where the evidence of guilt, dana, certainly appears to be quite overwhelming. >> dana: indeed. thank you. >> bill: more teens apparently are skipping a major milestone. instead of getting behind the wheel to get a driver's license they stay home behind a

telephone screen. a 20% drop in 18-year-olds with driver's licenses over the past four decades. parents growing concerned the pandemic and new tech could be to blame. want to bring in fox news contributor co-host of gutfeld, tyrus. maybe they are calling uber? any answers for this? >> a big answer. it is your fault, parents. you did this. nothing to do with cars. they don't want to get jobs. you have to get a job to have a car. you have to pay for gas. you have to pay for insurance. put something in on it. you have to work all summer and get your down payment to buy your first hood, a datsun. that my first car. a clown show watching me get in it. that's the issue. the bulldozer parents think they will walk in a car why should they when mommy and daddy get everything for them. >> dana: hold that thought.

alex murdaugh on the stand. >> blow your son's brains out on june 7th or any day or any time? >> no, i did not. >> mr. murdaugh, did you take -- such as this and fire it into your wife, maggie's leg, torso, or any part of her body? >> no, i did not. >> did you shoot a 300 blackout into her head causing her death? >> i didn't shoot my wife or son any time ever.

>> mr. murdaugh, is that you on the kennel video on 8:44 p.m. on the night maggie and paul were murdered? >> it is. >> were you there at the night maggie and paul were murdered? >> i was. >> did you lie to the deputy on the night of june 7th and told them that you stayed at the house after dinner? >> i did lie to them. >> did you lie to agent owen and agent croft on the follow-up interview on june 10th that the last time you saw maggie and paul was at dinner? >> i did lie to them. >> and in the interview of august 11th, did you tell agent owen and agent krol, did you lie to them by telling them that you were not down at the kennels on that night? >> yes.

>> alex, why did you lie to agent owen and krol and deputy the last time you saw maggie and paul? >> as my addiction evolved over time, i would get in these situations and circumstances where i would get paranoid thinking. it could be anything that triggered it. it might be a look somebody gave me, a reaction somebody had to something i did, might be a policeman following me in a car. that night june 7th after finding -- mags and paul, don't talk to anybody without danny with you. all my partners were just repeatedly telling me that. i had a deputy sheriff taking

gunshot tests from my hands. i'm sitting in a police car with david owen asking me about my relationship with my wife and my son. and all those things coupled together after finding them, coupled with my distrust for sled, caused me to have paranoid thoughts. normally when these paranoid thoughts would hit me i could take a deep breath real quick, think about it, reason my way through it, just get past it really quickly. on june 7th -- i wasn't thinking clearly. i don't think i was capable of

reason. and i lied about being down there. and i'm so sorry that i did. i'm sorry to my son, buster. i'm sorry to grandma and papa t. i'm sorry to both of our families. most of all, i'm sorry to mags and paul. i would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them.

ever. ever. >> did you continue lying after that night, did you not? >> once i lied i continued to lie, yes, sir. >> why? >> you know, what a tangled web we weave. once i told a lie, i told my family, i had to keep lying. >> alex, tell the jury what happened on the evening of june 7th starting when you met up with paul. >> i had been at work that day,

a fairly normal day. you want me to start in the morning? >> sure, start in the morning. >> just a regular -- maggie was leaving to go out of town. she was going to a doctor's appointment and she had some stuff to do where she was having work done at our other house. maggie was there that morning. she went to leave and she told me she was doing these things. i always, always asked maggie to come back home and stay with me. but anyway, maggie had left. she did her thing. i went to work, did work.

i learned from paul that -- paul, my son, paul murdaugh. >> your name for him is pawpaw? >> we called him that. i called him pawpaw. mags called him that and buster called him pawpaw. a lot of people called him that. anyway i knew cb had sprayed the sunflowers. you knew about that but i had been out of town. i didn't know they were dead. paul let me know they died so we had to replant the dove field which -- the dove field is just a big social part of having property. people would come and it is just

a social big part of it. the dove field was a big deal. when the sunflowers got killed paul was -- we knew they were dead paul was coming home. i learned that early monday morning. >> and did -- we'll catch back up. at some point in time did you meet up with paul? >> yeah, after work i met paul at the property. >> and we'll go back and talk about more of the day but i want to focus in on that evening right now. when paul gets to the property, what do you do? >> first thing we go to the dove field and we look at the dove field. >> how did you get to the dove field? >> he had come in in my brother's truck. we got in, my son buster's black pickup truck. we called it buster's truck or the black pickup truck.

i call it buster's truck. >> you are in buster's truck and go to the dove field. >> that's the first thing we do. we go to the dove field and it was clearly -- you could tell they were -- you could tell they had been sprayed and they were dead. they might have still had a tiny bit of life but they were dead. we knew we had to replant the whole field. so that didn't take but a second. but after that, paul -- we just rode the property. we spent time together. we -- we rode around and we spent time together on the property. >> did you go to the duck pond? >> oh yeah, we went to several

food plots, we went to single oak stand we called it. which is across the road. we went to the bridge stand. we went to the duck pond where we stayed for a minute and -- >> did you >> i can remember the duck pond specifically because i had helped paul plant the dove field and the corn in the dove field. i had helped him plant the corn in the dove field. paul had planted the duck pond by himself and he is making a really big deal to me about how much better the corn was doing in the duck pond than it was in the dove field. we stayed there for a little while. we rode.

we were at the cabin for a little while. we rode around the cabin looking at it. >> the cabin is what? >> it's just a little small -- it's truly a cabin. it's a four-room structure. it has a little living area, a little kitchen and two little bedrooms and one little bathroom. what you heard talk about where the kids stayed some summers. >> is that what the jury has season some overhead pictures right there on the road? >> right on the road and very close to the driveway that goes to the shop and the kennels. >> did you spend any time at the shop do you think? >> oh, yes. the shop was sort of the hub. that was the main place. if you weren't at the house, you might be out going to this field or this food plot or this duck pond or this part of the river,

but the shop is where the kennels were located, you know, that was -- you were always there. something was always going on there. always doing something there. that's where all the tools were and all the equipment was kept. that was the main hub. so we were there that day. there was a point in time where we unloaded a bulldozer that had been on a different part of the property and was on a trailer. we unloaded it and sprayed it down. that was one of the many things we did that day. >> one of the things the jury has seen, alex, is a snapchat video of you and doing something with a tree. do you remember that? >> oh yeah. >> what was happening there? >> that's just part of when we were riding. that particular location where that was is at a food plot that we called saw tooth oaks. it was named that because there

were some saw tooth oaks planted there that you can't see in the picture. but what that tree is, at all these food plots there is an area where it's not as big as a field but like a field where you plant vegetation for wildlife. it might be cow peas or soybeans and there is a feeder to attract deer and planted little fruit trees on these stands. what you see me doing is fooling with a fruit tree that i had been tending to. i had strings on it holding it up. one of the strings popped. i undid the other string and it was falling over and paul was laughing at me trying to get it back upright. just a fruit tree i had been dealing with really for years. it wouldn't stand up straight. >> were you and paul having a good time at that point?

>> you could not be around paul -- you could not be around him and not have a good time. >> were you close to paul? >> he couldn't be any closer than paul and i and buster and i. he was wonderful. wonderful. >> one of the things you enjoyed doing together was just riding the property? >> i loved doing anything with paul. he was an absolute delight. but yeah, one of the things -- i mean paul's passion -- paul was passionate about a lot of things but that property was really a