>> i wouldn't take issue with it. >> around this time were you making more than $1 million a year? >> around what time? >> 2011. >> yes. >> 2012? >> yes. >> and you were still stealing money as well, correct? >> yes. >> can we at least agree that is a lot of money? >> yes. there is no question that is a lot of money. >> oh, good, we can agree on that. that is a lot of money. i feel like we are struggling here. where you living a wealthy lifestyle? >> objective, your honor. >> reliving a wealthy lifestyle? i don't know what you mean by wealthy. well, it is hard for me to know it's ackley what you want. it depends.

i was spending money that wasn't mine that i shouldn't have. i think that, you know, we lived a lifestyle -- don't have issue if you want to call it wealthy. >> all right. would you concede with mean not all the money was going to bills at this time? all of the stolen money? >> no, i doubt that it was. >> okay. it was being used to support your wealthy lifestyle? >> well, i haven't looked at all of these documents to know exactly what was being spent where. but here is what i do know. i know i was making a bunch of money. and i should have had -- i should have had more money than i did. and i know i was spending a bunch of money on pills. and i know that -- i just don't

remember in 2011 -- i just can't remember the land deals. but if i spent money on other things come i don't dispute that either. i just don't have the records. >> but you would at least concede that the money you were stealing was going to support your ever expanding wealthy lifestyle? would you concede that? >> that all the money i stole? >> any of it, mr. murdoch. >> i would certainly agree there was money that didn't go to just buy pills. >> you would concede even though you were generating millions of dollars in fees, that was not enough for you, would you concede that? >> if by concede you mean, was i also stealing money that i shouldn't have? as sir, i agree with that and i have said that repeatedly.

>> who were the followers? >> they were two young girls from columbia. >> they were under age when they become your clients? >> yes, sir. >> did they suffer loss and their family as a result? >> they did. >> what loss did they suffer? >> their mother, their mother did. >> did you get a sizable recovery in the case in that particular case related to that? >> yes, sir. >> do you remember how much the recovery was? >> i don't. >> do you have any idea? >> i know it was a significant settlement. i know it was a good settlement. >> millions of dollars? >> oh, you know it was millions of dollars. but whether it was $2 million -- i know it was significant but i don't know if it was eight figures, but i know it was significant settlement.

>> was there a conservatorship for them because they were underage? >> there was a conservatorship for them, but i don't think the fact they were under age is why there was a conservatorship. >> you don't think it was because in the at least in part they were under age when the settlement was received? >> no, that is not what i remember. for purposes -- mr. waters come i agreed that was conservator. >> what was your memory that conservator was appointed? >> my memory is that the father in this case who was the beneficiary or big beneficiary in this and who was the p.r. of the mother's case was an undesirable witness. and there was testimony that he -- there was testimony he hit

his wife. and it was clear with that like, we didn't want him to be the face of the lawsuit. so we appointed a conservative. >> who was that? >> for that purpose. why i believe we appointed a conservatory. >> who was at? >> that was russell. yes, sir. >> after that, did you give russell a fee to start loaning you money from the girls account? that he was a conservator for? >> he loaned me money from the account. i don't know if i got him to do that. >> you didn't talk to him about that? you didn't talk about it at all? >> we talked about it. there were emails to that effect. are you disputing that? >> i'm not disputing but russell gave me a loan from them. your question is did i get him

to do that? i don't necessarily believe that to be accurate. >> who came up with the idea? >> i don't know it was come up with an idea. i think russell felt like it was a sound investment for those girls to charge me a higher interest rate when they weren't getting but so much interest somewhere else. >> what was that interest rate that you thought was such a good idea for these girls, do you know what it was? >> i can't remember. >> the reality is you needed the money and this was a convenient source to keep your massive cash flow going as early as 2011-2012, isn't that correct? >> this was a loan, yes, sir. but exactly why it came from them versus the bank, i can't -- i don't -- i can't tell you the details without looking at all of that. i can tell off the top of my

head. >> despite what you were earning, you would send email to mike russell an email and hey, transfer over email from their account to my account, correct? do you have emails to that effect? >> do i remember an email to that affect? i don't remember. >> you don't have a recall? not if you say their work, mr. waters. i don't dispute any of this that i took money that didn't belong to me and that i misled people. >> a know you want the answer o be that simple and we agree on that. >> no, sir, i don't want the answer to be simple. i just want everybody to understand, i do not dispute that i stole money that was not my money. that i miss lead people to do that. that i miss led people that trusted me to do that and that what i did was terrible. i don't dispute that. it is just the way you are asking these questions, you

know? there are some things in there that i do take issue with. >> okay. which part of what i asked you about do you take an issue with? that you didn't conspire to do that, you and russell? >> yes. >> okay. >> i can tell you russell never conspired with me to do anything. whatever was done was done by me. >> so you told the girls that you will borrow money from their account? >> no, i don't know. >> did you tell russell to tell them? >> i don't recall. i don't believe so. but i can't sit here and tell you what i told them how many years ago. >> did you tell russell he could borrow money from that account, too? >> i don't remember having in a discussion with him about him borrowing money.

>> was suppose had interest rate far lower than you could have gotten anywhere else? >> i don't even know. >> you never told this to the girls did you? >> i thought the interest rate i was paying was a little bit more than what a bank loan would have been, but i don't know that. i don't know that -- i don't know what the interest rate was so i don't know that for sure. >> when you stole the money, how how much did you still before? >> i don't remember the exact amount. >> over $1.3 million, would you dispute that? >> i don't dispute come i don't dispute that. >> and that was in addition to the $1.2 million in attorney fees for his case alone that would have been attributed to you through her? >> what i stole from martha badger -- >> let me ask you this. >> inappropriately was in

addition to the fees i legitimately earned. i shouldn't have stolen money from arthur badger. i misled him and i was wrong. >> did you speak with russell once you stole this money from arthur badger about structuring how $1.3 million that you stole in a manner to appear to be payments to the account? do you understand the question? >> no, sir, say that again. >> did you have conversations with russell lafitte structuring $1.3 million into multiple payments and applying it to their account? >> i've heard the testimony, and i've seen -- >> i'm asking you did. did you have conversations with russell about that? >> i had to have come i had to have. >> you even asked him to recut the check, correct and to have jeannie recut the check?

>> i've seen i believe an email or text to that affect. >> so you don't dispute that? i don't dispute that but what i dispute if you are insinuating in any way that this was stuff that i did. >> okay. >> i did these things wrong, russell didn't do anything here in chico i'm not here to talk about that. i'm just talking about what went on. >> i know but you keep talking about what i did with russell but i want to let you know that i did this, and i'm the one that took people's money that i shouldn't have taken and that russell was not involved in helping me do that. >> just asked you -- no one come if he did he did it without knowing. >> so you sent him an email and asked him to recut the check and have it made out to various amounts short of that and apply those over time to get the illusion of payments to the account, is that correct? >> i don't know, but i will tell you this, i don't dispute, i

don't dispute russ innuendos and texts as far as what i told russell and as far as what i did too, again take money that didn't belong to me that wasn't mine and that i was wrong for taking. it is just the specifics of that. you want me to give details on and i can't do that. i don't dispute what is in the text or emails. >> and did you steal that badger money because you had to pay back the girls money before they turned 18 and reach the age of majority? and then russell would have to be held account for that money that he had loaned to himself and to you? >> first off i don't know anything about any money that russell loaned to himself. i only know about what he loan

to me. and i don't specifically -- i don't believe that me stealing arthur badger's money and taking that money that did not belong to me that i wrongly took had anything to do -- i don't remember having a relationship with having to pay back a loan for ripping some time pressure to pay back a little that he gave me on the conservatorship. no, and i'm not saying that didn't happen. i am saying that is not the way i remember it, and i don't remember it. >> did you ultimately borrow $1 million roughly from those girls without their knowledge? does that sound right come about $1 million in total? >> if you tell me that is the number, that surprises me, but i don't dispute what is in the

records. but i didn't believe i had a loan and you say $1 million? i don't believe i having loan -- mr. waters, if that is what the record says, i don't dispute it. that is not what i thought. i didn't think i had $1 million loan from them. but if that is what the record say come i don't dispute that. but i can tell you this, if i had a million dollars loan from him, i don't remember that. and i may be confusing with a loan from the bank. but again, if that is in the records come i don't dispute it. >> so, you have no memory whatsoever and so for all you know, it is just a coincidence that they are about to turn 18 when you stole the badger money and applied a significant amount of it to pay that off before you

turned 18, you don't remember that? >> i can tell you that was never -- that was never an issue or motivation for me, and again, taking arthur badger's money that i shouldn't have taken that didn't belong to me and that i was wrong for. i don't remember a loan from the conservatorship as being motivation for that. >> for all you can remember, it is just a coincidence. >> why i stole arthur badger's money? no, why you applied it to the lungs before they turned 18. >> no. i'm not saying it is a coincidence or not coincidence. what i'm saying come i don't remember that. and so come i don't remember that being the motivation.

if it was, i just -- i didn't know i had a million dollar loan from the conservatorship. at least as i sit here today, but, you know i would have known i got a loan from somewhere, and if i took arthur badger's money and applied it to that, i mean, can, i so many that didn't belong to me. i misled arthur badger to take that money, and i was wrong. >> how many times have you practice the answer before the testimony today? because it is the same. >> i've never practiced that. you keep it asking these questions and i keep using that answer. >> it has been entered in evidence state 321. do you recognize generally that night? >> i do. >> and what is that?

>> this is the sheet on the dion martin case. >> what happened to deion martin? >> he got in a wreck. >> did you know his family? >> when he got in the wreck? >> prior to getting in a wreck. >> i knew who his family was prior to the wreck but when he got and this wreck i became close to his family. >> [indistinct] and he suffered serious injuries, correct? >> dion was hurt bad, yes. >> i heard you say that the other day but i don't specifically remember dion having a head injury. i think he had orthopedic injuries but he did have some injuries to his head. >> you met with him on a number of occasions? >> yes, i met with him on a number of occasions. >> you met with his parents on a

number of occasions? >> about dion? >> about the case while the case was going on. >> i don't know if i met with his parents about dion's case and i met with dion and i may have met with his parents if they say that. i mean, his dad is the most honorable fellow that i know. if he said i met with him come i certainly believe that. >> you said you became close with them, correct? close to the parents? >> i consider deon, yes, i think the world of his dad and his mom and deon. >> what was the recovery that was obtained in deon's case? >> it looks like recovery was $2 million. actually, this is -- >> dana: that murder trial of

aalex murdaugh continues. this is an all-day affair and we will get reaction from the table. and i want to start with judge jeanine i'm of course but before i do, can i play three things that are significant and have your react to them and let us know what actually happened today and how this play does one demand? this is him earlier today when he denies killing the wife and son. >> ever. most of all, i'm sorry to max and paul-paul. i would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them. [crying] ever! ever! >> dana: okay, there is another one, judge, he talks about lying to the cops. let's get that one.

>> did you lie to agent o when an agent croft in a follow-up interview? >> i did like to them. >> did you lie to them by telling them that you were not down at the kennels on that night? >> yes. >> dana: why would he like? this is what he said. >> why did july to agent all wins and agent croft and the deputy about the last time you saw maggie? and poll? >> it was my addiction that evolved over time. i would get in these situations and circumstances where i would get paranoid, thinking. >> dana: all right, judge, help us understand what we learned from the early part today. >> jeanine: okay come a couple of things, in this case, murdaugh had to take the stand appear the evidence is stacked against him. but the issue is how do you personalize a monster? they put him on the stand. he is one of the best witnesses i've ever seen on a witness stand. he's had a lot of way to react

to the pitbull d.a. here. but sorry to mags and paul-paul come i didn't intentionally murder or whatever the actual statement. i didn't intentionally murder any one of them. so why does he use the word "intentionally? "you can say he is a lawyer you're speaking in terms of how the indictment and murder is an intentional crime. but it is prefaced with "i am sorry to mags and paul." that means he's basically admitting to them, you know, i'm sorry and i didn't do anything intentional to hurt you. what he is doing is brilliant. he is creating a premise for a down charge. that means even though charged with intentional murder, there is evidence where the defense goes hand to have a discussion with the judge what the jury will be charged or the defense will say, we want manslaughter in there and the judge will say there is no way i can accept

manslaughter. yes, there is he said he didn't intentionally hurt either one of them here that was a big moment in the cross-examination. now, he had to admit the lies. he had to admit it, which is the same reason he had to take the stand. there was cooperation of virtually everything that puts him at the scene, puts his voice at the scene. the jury has no question other than that guy did it. so you personalize this monster. they have him on there when you listen to the 911 call. it sounds like he's in tears. you look at him and he's end here. you say to yourself, "well, the truth is, baby he's not so bad." the prosecutor is coming across as a pitbull, which is good. but this guy knows exactly how to handle the prosecutor. >> dana: all right. >> he is screaming. what is going on there? >> dana: it looks like the pitbull is going after him. >> tyrus it has been enjoyable

to listen to the commentary off camera. >> tyrus: yeah, well, i'm not repeating that. i look at this and the pitbull as you call him, he was leaning to the side with his hand in his pocket pair that was pretty powerful to me. he was up in his space. when you are trying to razzle somebody and get into their space. classic jesse watters move as jesse does. i'm kind of old school and before i pass judgment, i'm going to wait to see what the jury has to say. really, what he's doing, he is trying to reach one juror. by giving them the paul-paul, mags and admitting he's a lot of things come a liar, drug addict and all these th but he's not a killer. i hate to say it is doing a good job of it because he had me going. may be, who knows? >> really? >> dana: what do you think? in my estimation, guilty as

charged! i just spent last week in preparation working with jesse. [laughter] so i went to texas and missouri to go to maximum security prisons and the kind of line of work and i've done all of these. soy spent a lot of time and of course, psychopath liars. he's a psychopath higher. this guy is george santos of psychopathic liars. he did this and i don't think he just killed the wife and son but he also killed the housekeeper. she accidentally fell over and died? come on here this guy is a serial killer. he's maybe doing a good job on the stand. you cannot tell me, tyrus, you are one of the smartest people in america. you are pulling for this? >> and watching narcissist work. they try to outsmart people and i enjoyed that. but the one thing i'm trying to say is it bothers me, guilty,

guilty during the process. one juror finds reasonable do doubt. >> piers: watch that video alone, that is it to me, he is they are, he's there when this happens. then he lied about it. why did you have to go any further? he was there! >> tyrus: he is saying he was high all the time. >> jeanine: that proved to you beyond reasonable doubt that he killed them because he was there? at what point? >> piers: it proves he is lying through his back teeth. >> jeanine: he admitted to that. >> piers: and testimony with all the other evidence he was up to his neck and financial sleaze. he had all this other stuff going on and lie to every single person. >> jeanine: if he has the book thrown at him, why kill your wife? >> piers: i don't know precisely why he killed his wife and son. >> jeanine: that is the issue. >> tyrus: that is "murder she wrote."

>> jeanine: he did not have an insurance policy on her or the sun. let me tell you the reason, the reason seen a matrimonial attorney six weeks before. talk about a perfect storm, they would get forensic accountant and then all of his crimes would come out. if he gets rid of the wife in a matrimonial, then -- >> piers: no doubt he did it. >> jeanine: i have no doubt. >> dana: right before he came on, jesse, the pitbull prosecutor was going through the financials and sating, did you take this money, did you borrow that money? he was talking about the habit he had, opioids and millions of dollars that not just borrowing but stealing. >> jesse: so mr. waters no relation is trying to establish that this guy is conniving, he has heartless, he is manipulative, and he is methodical and he will steal from children even. and the fact that you would do that will show what he's capable

of and shows his motivation. he is a greedy guy. so they are trying to establish ruthless greed. emperor someone that has been following this trial from the very beginning. [laughter] of the afternoon, i am impressed by this psychopathic serial killer and if that makes me a bad person, so be it. his posture on the stand is perfect. he is leaning forward. he looked sad. he is unflappable, and he is taking just enough issue with the prosecution to make him look aware of his dark history, but not too aware. so, he is creating the perfect amount of haze and fall so we doesn't have to go into too much detail. and i think he's guilty. >> piers: to use george santos analogy one more time, on monday, he admitted to a series of lesser lies because he knew it was incontrovertible.

and they want him to think he's not a massive whopper of a trader. but in fact, he is a perpetrator. this guy wants us to think i'm a bad guy and i fiddled with money and i ripped everybody off and lie to everybody but i could never kill somebody. he is a lawyer. >> they want to get the judges reaction. whether he changed books. >> remember what you changed into? >> do i remember? i know i change clothes. i have learned since then what i have on but i don't. >> you don't remember? >> i don't remember at all. but i understand on i had on athletic shorts and a t-shirt. >> dana: all right, judge. >> jeanine: convenient you don't remember that when you don't have to answer. what he had on should have blood spatter on it. that is where they are going with that. i don't know what clothing that is and whether or not they have that clothing. but i want to say one thing to

you about lying. as a judge i would say to the jury, you are free if you believe the defendant has lied about one thing to assume he has lied about everything. but you cannot make the jump from a noncredible witness to a murder. but you can assume once he takes the stand that he lied to you about what he said or what he did. >> i have a quick question, one of the things he did i think is particularly clever, he would not implicate his partner. >> jeanine: yes. >> tyrus: he said i did on my own and not my partner. so he is literally trying to show he's a lot of things, but at the same time he has integrity. that is what he is trying -- i think that goes a long way way. >> jeanine: does. >> tyrus: he is willing to take the rap for this and not spare his partner appearance before they want us to return to the trial and we will do that maybe we will see. >> you don't remember having any conversation with her when you

like to her about this case while you were still owing money? >> i don't think i did in this case and i don't think i had meetings with her. i think i stole her money i don't believe i had a meeting with her. >> so again, you can't tell us one conversation you had with any of these people when you look them in the eye and convince them you were doing them ri right in telling the tr? >> that is not true, mr. waters. i remember a lot of those conversations. i remember a lot of them. >> all right, you testify there were a lot of them but i will ask you and tell you to tell me one of them that stuck in your heart, stuck in your brain? >> there are a lot of conversations i had where i misled my clients and i stole their money, where they trusted me. and i remember them. >> okay. >> again, can you tell me one, how it went down, what you said, how you convince them, how you looked them and that i made them

believe? how you used your skills as a trial lure mike lawyer to convince them? tell me one of those and what was going through your head when you did it? >> your honor, objection. we have gone over and over and over this again. >> what is your question, mr. waters? >> can you tell me about one of the conversations you had with all of these people, just one. what was going through your head and how it went down when you sat there and looked in the eye and convince them you are doing them right while lying to them and stealing their money. >> yes, i had a lot of conversations with a lot of my clients that i cared about. and so am i will tell you that i had conversations with them where i misled them and i lied to them and i took their money.

and a number of times. but you are asked to meet -- >> just one specific one, mr. murdaugh. >> every single one of these clients i would have a conversation with at some point. this particular -- mr. waters, that she'd come i didn't have, there was never a sit down with mallory about the disbursement of money. >> you don't recall talking to her the status of her case and telling her lies in convincing her that you were on her side? you don't remember that? >> i definitely remember that but that's not what you asked me. i had numerous conversations with miss mallory. you know come about this case. but the fact is that you were asking me about me sitting down with this sheet and looking her in the eye and convincing her. i'm telling you that didn't happen in this case. now, i had a lot of conversations with her where i misled her, mr. waters, where i lied to her.

>> tell me about one. >> i'm going to recess for the day. and we will re-adjourn 9:30 tomorrow morning. everybody remained seated while the jury leaves. speech we got back into that. it was getting kind of heated with the pitbull prosecutor and alex murdaugh and they decided to take a break, which i can certainly understand for everybody. but i imagine the jury might have wanted to get this done today, judge. what is the strategy from the judge. it is 5:30 and we will call it a day? >> jeanine: i think that is the strategy. i don't know the judge and i don't know what he or she normally -- the judge is a male come i think. i don't know the procedure is. but neither when i was a judge, the court officers very often there was a union there would be a union and the court officers would have to be in there and

put their guns away before x o'clock and that something nothing to do with the trial per se but rather with the unions. who knows. >> dana: what is right after this? i'm sure he will meet with his lawyers again? >> he will meet with the lawyers. now, they will talk to him, although the jury will be advised not to discuss this case with anyone, with each other, not to read anything about it, not to listen to anything about it. they will tell him whether or not they will go into any new areas. i doubt they will say too much about the cross-examination, they shouldn't. but they will be making a decision also based on the cross-examination of this defendant as to whether or not they will have to go back with a witness and whether or not they have to bring anybody else out, the prosecutor might think is getting frustrated. he is a pitbull and i think he is good. this guy murdaugh is a cool cat. he understands every word that

is being said. he is smart as hell. he will get one juror, i guarantee you. >> piers: we couldn't do this in england appearance before i wanted to ask about that. >> piers: we are not allowed to talk about his is at all. >> jeanine: other than the jury? >> dana: public? >> piers: you could not pass an active jury in a trial at all. the idea i can sit here is quite refreshing. i think it is the right thing that america does. where it's open and you can talk about it. >> dana: you can move here. >> jesse: don't invite him, come on, dana! >> piers: he's always asked me to come and be as little buddy. they want you're not a serial killer. >> piers: i meant that as a compliment. >> dana: the interesting thing if you are this jury and a small town, to go home and you can't talk about it, you may not want to. you may want to watch it with friends. >> jesse: that is definitely

someone at this table enjoys. just in this last couple of hours or so, did you see one moment where that prosecutor clearly drew blood on the stand? >> piers: no. >> jesse: i'm not sure as a juror there was that one moment, wow he really got him because as jeanine said, he's calm and he's pacing is perfect. so his pacing in terms of his answers, his cadence, it is designed specifically to run out the clock. and to frustrate the prosecutor. and towards the end of that, it did look like the prosecutor was a little frustrated. >> jeanine: look, let me explain something. this is not over until it is over appear that prosecutor, you may think he is losing, but if he is getting every fact he needs for the closing argument for the summation, you know, this is a guy who lied to a woman who is an amputee, watcher pill lead jake not amputee. so he can look at you and lie to

you as well. so this theater of drama we call a trial which is what it is, theater, is not over until they finish those summations. thank the jury charges. there was a lot more in this. >> jesse: i'm being very shortsighted and i would agree with that. >> piers: it is what not what the normal person thinks. >> jeanine: yes, thank you. >> dana: can i ask you something, judge because i'm curious who else they would call at this point. isn't it almost done? question mike >> jeanine: i would think so, but i have not followed that closely. maybe the prosecutor although it may not be material to the case. they want to bring back a quadriplegic to say, he kind of did admit, you know, my partner was involved with it and i stole the money but i don't remember that conversation. they have to go before the judge, i want to bring in the quadriplegic and they specifically had a conversation.

the judge will say that it is not material whether he killed his wife and son. >> piers: play the jury of what is happening? this guy said he was nowhere near the scene of the crime. he is horrible i'd made that are. and then watch that video and he's it in it. >> jeanine: he admitted he lied. >> piers: app and for 5 minutes later. he suddenly disappears and they are killed? if i am a juror, yeah, he's a nice guy saying all the right things but ultimately, yeah, hang on, he was there. right? i mean, he's there incontrovertibly. it is like the opposite of the o.j. simpson plot. if you believe the video, then you believe the deed. but i think it is incontrovertible to me. once he lied about that, he didn't want people to think he was anywhere near when it

happened and turns out in the video he is there. >> jeanine: the one thing he did by taking the stand was he planted a seed. in addition to creating the premise for making sure that they down charge, he planted a seed that someone else did it. he said, paul had gotten threads, unbelievable threats after the vote crash. that case was coming to trial right away. so, you know, there may be another person who done it. i don't believe it, but -- >> piers: he's a very skillful operator and defending himself. his decision to go on the stand clearly was the right one. because we all agree he's putting on a good performance. it's just a complete load of. >> tyrus: i wouldn't use that word but judge if you were the prosecutor in this case, do you like the way the judge hits the reset button? >> jeanine: right now? the two who did it pay for the way it was stopped?

>> jeanine: i think it favors the prosecution because they can go back and look at what they have done what they need to tomorrow to wrap it up. you want to end with the prosecutor because they are sleeping on the last thing they heard. you don't want to end with defense appearance before interesting. coming up pete buttigieg finally shows up in the east palestine but only to make excuses on the toxic train disaster. we will be right for me ooking.c, as a booking.com, booking. yeah.

you that will musical >> jeanine: i guess it was the right time pete buttigieg with putting his hard hat on and transporting himself to east palestine, ohio, three weeks after the trained rail that spilled toxic chemicals everywhere. the transportation secretary said he would be all action once he arrived, but it turns out he was all excuses. speak with a country should be wrapping their arms around the people of east palestine as a political football, not as an ideological flash point, not as a dacha but that includes visit and not just big official visits from the government. i'm here for the work and all

the politics. you can sense when you talk to local leaders and local residents, they are sick of the politics too. why think -- sorry, i lost my train of thought. >> in hindsight was that waiting too long to express anything hours after you had makeup of highway construction projects that very day? speak with the answer to your question is yes. i felt strongly about this and could have expressed that so sooner. >> jeanine: wow, mayor pete's delayed trip comes to the national safety board within a preliminary likely caused by an overheated regal bearing and that the crew tried to slow the trained moments before to start with you, piers, here we have the secretary of transportation. he said he is there at the right time and it's all action. how does that strike you?

>> piers: pathetic. he said he lost his train. he lost his thought of a trained, let's be clear. another quote one senior democrat, pete buttigieg was taking a lot of bullets for the president on this one. relinquish marketing site pete buttigieg is the transport secretary and we have seen with this happen and the only bullets flying around and in chance he has no becoming president of the united states because he was one of the people to be potential presidential candidate. how can you be when this happens on your watch? your job is transportation in america. you have a derailment where you have this town of people absolutely gripped in terror about the repercussions. 36 day where you are and say, "i'm willing to go." then donald trump goes down and

does the right thing even though he is no longer president. the next day pete buttigieg goes down and trump says quite rightly he went down because i went down. i think that is true. i think it is embarrassing. and if he had actually any honor him he would stand down from his job because if you can't turn up on this thing happens, why are you transportation secretary? >> jeanine: you know, jesse comey is taking the position he is the victim here and taking the bullets for the president. that is what he is saying but in truth biden said pete wasn't ready for the job when they were running in 2020. >> jesse: biden is smart in this sense is that it's never biden's fault. he puts these people out there and then he hides. they take all the arrows. he did it with kamala harris on the border, he doesn't with pete and the train wreck. i remember during the trump administration and i think that would happen in the country was trump's fault or trumps

administration's fault. when you have a democratic president that spends all of his time hiding in delaware, his cabinet takes all the heat. but i have to admit a lot of this isn't about a photo up on these politicians go there, we get that. but he looks like a little kid wearing his father's clothes. >> je>> jeanine: exactly. >> jesse: he looks like -- what is he 150 pounds wet? not even a size small construction best fits this guy. it is dripping off of him. he looks like he's wearing a costume and he doesn't know what to do with his hands. he said people need to go there and wrap their arms around the people there? i did not see him hold one person. did you see tape of him hugging anybody? he looks confused like he wants to get out of there. he snuck in 7:00 a.m., sneaky pete did not show up when everybody knew he was going there. comes in before everybody wakes up for work and that is when he does his photo op and hayek tales it out. >> jeanine: i want you to

listen to the sound from joy behar. >> somebody, somebody with deep ties to the chemical industry charges eps chemical safety operas. that is who you voted for in that district, donald trump who produces all safety. >> jeanine: what is your reaction to that? >> piers: how other than the fact no sane person watch as this, how are they allowed to continue to say the things they say? it is their fold commit is disgusting. sonny can call nikki haley million and a racist and they seem to get away with it when they say these things here the fact that you lost your train of thought. poor choice of words. say anything else, but you lost your train of thought. you are too late, you're three weeks too late. they have already started working. the biggest complaint you hear from them the worst started and they don't want the media now so you missed your opportunity. if he cared he would have been

down there. i will tell you why he wouldn't go down there. he didn't think it was safe. it is not what they considered we have seen in this administration and i said it a lot on "the greg gutfeld show" they are breaking eggs when it comes to lower class in this country. with crime, education and not just a few eggs but a few people, and it's not a big deal. this will all go away. my hats off to not just fox, two social media for keeping this story alive and not allowing this to slide off on the back pages and no one paying attention. and here is the other thing, where are the grain people? this is going to be in the soil for decades. this is not going to go away. come over here to get national attention and get help or because of "with a bow would say shame on her, but she has no shame. she is a disgusting person forsaking comments like that. that is complete responsibility. >> jeanine: the shame of i

it, dana, karine jean-pierre was condemning the bad faith attacks on buttigieg. the truth is he waited three weeks, tomorrow, three weeks. what did he do? he said he was planning at all out. first of all, we know that was not the case, he didn't know about it and comment on it. >> dana: and ilhan omar is the one who tweeted about it. we better pay attention at all this is what i meant when you have a disaster like this that is getting more attention on the third week since it happened then it did in the first week it happen and they deserve the media attention. the thing about going and 7:00 a.m. what we didn't show you a couple of times where the camera is following along and he's mad. but when you are for three weeks late, you just take your lumps. you have to know, we are not going to be able to fight back enough to get to zero. but what you should do in.

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>> dana: 29? tire tire 50, thank you. i made it half way there. >> dana: you are doing great. you are thriving. these are all the cupcakes i could find for you. >> tyrus: so that's just for me? >> dana: yes is this appropriate? >> tyrus: that's about right. >> dana: which one is your favorite? >> tyrus: all of them. probably chocolate. my daughter's favorite color is purple. >> dana: go for it. >> tyrus: you just said they are all mine. >> dana: eat one while i do one more thing. you remember this pursy had a trick where he could pick up a tennis ball but now he got three. he did this on his own. this dog is so smart and brilliant and he's so cute. >> judge jeanine: , he is yours. >> dana: i don't know. peter is better than that. jesse? >> jesse: so there is a school in michigan and they announced if they won this basketball game they would get a snow day. watch. >> caused a snow day. breaking news. he just called a snow day right here at the student section.

woo! no school for me tomorrow. >> jesse: a snow day, piers, is when you don't have school% pierce translation? >> jesse: "jesse watters primetime" johnny asked people about the biden age factor. >> do you think that joe biden is too old to be president? >> he can't get words out of his mouth it doesn't seem like. if you can't do that, why are you running the country. >> dana: following right in your footsteps. >> judge jeanine: so this guy is 20 years old, in the process of robbing a guy. who just bought a bag of fresh fried chicken. instead of leaving with the loot he decided he would eat the chicken. he stayed in the victim's car that he was in the process of carjacking, started eating the chicken when the victim calls the police, he is still eating the stolen fried chicken. so they arrested him. and he is charged him with armed robbery with with a firearm. aggravated possession of stolen vehicle.

aggravated unlawful use of a weapon. illegal possession of a debit card and the theft of fried chicken. i guess even robbers need a lunch break. >> dana: spend time in jail for that. >> jesse: must be some good chicken. >> piers: i love this story. 19-year-old johnson saw a lost wallet in an arkansas walmart and he decided rather than just ignore it, as many people would or take it as other people would, he tracked down the owner on facebook, met up with her to return it. 61-year-old dee despite the age difference became fast friend with johnson. they all met each other's families. she even attended a baby shower. [laughter] and if they are dating, that's fine. just good friends. good for him being an honest citizen. >> dana: tyrus? >> tyrus: tyrus live upcoming shows april 21st. crowley, louisiana, april 23rd, houston, texas. may 5th, voila voila south

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