>> after that you agree that maggie's phone around 8:53 show some steps being taken? >> the data shows that. >> that is what it shows, correct? >> that is correct. >> and then you would a agreed that 9:02 and 9:06, your phone starts showing a lot of steps? >> i do agree with that. >> what were you doing? >> i was getting ready to go to my mom's house. >> you took a shower already and were laying down on the couch. what were you doing? >> there wasn't any ready to get ready in that aspect. i was getting ready to go. i was preparing to leave. >> to do what? >> i don't know if i got up and went to the bathroom. i don't know. >> that is far shorter steps in

any time. matt prior in the testimony in this case. so what were you doing busy doing? >> going to the bathroom? get on a treadmill? no, i didn't get on a treadmill. >> dog in-place? >> no, sir. >> jumping jacks? >> no, i did not do jumping jacks. >> what were you doing? >> preparing to get there might go to my moms house. >> you were in the front house laying down and the suburban outside, what were you doing? >> i don't know if i got up and gone to my room? >> it is so clear in your new story about everything, but what were you doing around with these 4 minutes? >> i disagree with your assertion about every detail. i don't recall. i know that i was getting up, and i was leaving. i was going to go check on my mom. specifically what i was doing?

i don't -- i don't know. i know what i wasn't doing, mr. waters, and what i wasn't doing is doing anything as i believe even implied that i was cleaning off or washing off or washing off guns, putting guns away and i can promise you it wasn't doing any of that. >> also, that is where you got 293 steps. you were moving around a lot. was that in that same -- you see that four-minute period all the steps taken, that it's also when you are calling making all of these phone calls, is in it, murdoch? i mean -- >> you were -- >> you are allowed to answer before you step on mr. murdaugh with another question, please,

thank you! >> you are making all these phone calls taking these steps. would you concede that or you don't remember what you were doing? >> when i was making phone calls that is shown here 9:05 i called my dad. i don't know that i was taking steps like you are saying i'm taking steps. i heard the same testimony you heard, mr. waters. steps can be recorded in a number of ways. i don't have a specific recollection. i don't know that i was hitting my phone like the guy showed her making steps. >> hitting the phone like that making all these phone calls? >> what i am saying mr. waters come i don't know and i'm giving you an example. you are saying i'm running around taking these steps and while i'm doing that, making telephone calls. i would nee what i would agree h is this data shows there was 283

steps recorded on my phone. and sometime during that period, i made certain phone calls. >> okay, so not only whatever it is that this recording steps, you are also making a ton of phone calls, including this calls to maggie, who is 1100 feet away. >> you are using the term a ton of phone calls. what i agree is i made a phone e calls on the call data records, which make you know, very normal phone calls for me. >> do you know why so many phone calls were missing from the log around this relevant time period and law enforcement downloaded your phone call log on june 10th? >> from my phone? no i don't. >> did you delete them,

mr. murdaugh? not intentionally. >> on june 7th, those calls were missing but you had nothing to do with that between june 7th? >> no, sir, i did not. i did not delete phone calls from my phone. mr. waters, one of the most important things for me this whole thing is getting this data that i believe would exist, phone calls and phone records would be part of that. i've been in enough civil cases and used phone records enough time to know that you delete a phone call from your phone, it doesn't disappear. so, i can tell you, this jury, and everybody who was listening, that i did not intentionally delete phone calls from my phone. >> yeah, because you started talking about your a former prosecutor, correct and former lawyer in civil cases? we looked at that yesterday. boy, you are a busy bee on that phone right out of the gate,

right? >> objection overruled. >> might a busy bee? i am using my tel telephone at i think i called 9:05, i started to call my dad and i agree i made other phone calls. >> one of the first things you start telling law enforcement, these goals that you made to maggie, correct? do you recall that from your first statement with law enforcement? >> one of the first things that i said to law enforcement? >> i'm talking about your interview with the special agent. >> i don't remember that being the first thing we talked about, but if mr. owens asked me about it, then -- >> [indistinct] >> i did. >> you don't recall? >> no, i don't recall. >> would you dispute or by such

a you brought it up? >> brought up what? >> mr. murdaugh your phone. >> phone calls to maggie? the phone calls to maggie owens? >> i'm asking you is that one of the things you talk about with your first interview with mr. owens. you pulled out your phone and started looking at it, and you started looking at it, do you recall that? >> u.s. me the first thing i talk to him about peer that was the discrepancy. i certainly don't dispute that mr. owens and i talked about phone calls. but that is not what you said. so let's be clear. >> the real reason, mr. murdaugh you as a lawyer and prosecutor are up at 9:02 with your phone in your hand moving around and making all these phone calls to manufacture an alibi. is that not true? >> that is absolutely incorrect. >> so that is another circumstance and coincident in

this particular case? right around the time that you lied to law enforcement about the facts in the case? >> it is an absolute fact that i am not manufacturing an alibi as you say. >> how do you remember so much detail but you don't remember specifically what you were doing to generate 283 steps will making all of these phone calls in the format period? i remember unequivocally without any doubt he was clear mind as i can have. at any time that never manufactured any alibi in any way, shape or form because i would not hurt my wife and child. so i know for a fact that i never, ever, ever created an alibi. >> why don't you remember what you were doing when you were so

busy for this four-minute critical period? i do remember what i was doing. >> i mean come i was getting ready to go. >> that is because that is what i was doing. >> okay, let's keep going. you made those calls to maggie and that four-minute period. you had just seen them a few minutes ago and she went down there and came right back. why didn't you just take that quick little left 1100 yards

away and stop by and see what they didn't answer the call? you obviously want to get in touch with them. why didn't you go down to the kennels that were so close by? >> there was no reason to. i mean -- >> making multiple ms. calls to maggie and she is so close. and there is a driveway right there. why don't you go down there and say hey, guys i'm going to head down there? >> it wasn't important to do that. me making those phone calls, i believe i called maggie and i called paul. but that simply may just letting them know i'm leaving for a minute and i will be back. the fact that they don't answer is not unusual at all. now, it is odd, it is unusual that they never called me back, but at that moment the fact that

there is a missed call and i'm on the property, i mean, that doesn't even register at all. that is perfectly normal to try to call somebody on the property and not be able to get them. and as far as not going down there, there was no sense of urgency. maggie was with paul. you know, she should be as safe as she could be. >> yeah, she should. did you talk with maggie about going to alameda when you were at the kennels? >> no come i don't believe i did. >> did you talk to maggie about going to alameda during supper? >> i know we had talked about

it. i don't believe we talked about it at supper, but we may have. i know that i talked i was going to go over there. and then, i decided that i wasn't going to go there. >> what was your conversation? tell me specifically please. about going down to alameda. >> i can't say that we specifically talked about it. the only thing i specifically talked about at supper was paul-paul. >> what was the conversation? >> maggie was just concerned that paul-paul had been having for a young person high blood pressure. and he's very resistant to go to the doctor. and this had been going on for little while, but lately, paul's feet had swollen.

for a 22-year-old to start having swollen feet concerned both of us. and particularly concerned maggie. and we talked about that. >> okay. did you all talk about mr mr. randolph? >> i'm sure we did. >> do you remember that group text coming in about whether or not anybody was going to go see mr. randolph at the hospital the next day? >> do i remember it coming it? i don't remember it coming in. >> because you didn't read it until the next day. >> i seen the data. >> id know mike did you text the group and say i'm going to alameda at all? >> no. did y you and maggie ever specifically discuss her going on with you to alameda? >> i don't believe we did but i know there was a point in time that i said maggie my go. it is highly unusual for maggie to go and visit.

that will situation, it made maggie sad. and she didn't like to go. so -- i don't believe we did, but i do acknowledge that at some point she might go for some reason. >> you told law enforcement on multiple occasions that, first of all, maggie was planning to stay on june 7th, correct? >> i did say that. >> and you also say you came to find out that she came home on her own accord, correct? you told that to law enforcement, is that true? >> she did come home on her own accord appearance because she decided to come on her own accord because she was worried about you, is that what you said? >> i did say that and i believe that to be the case. >> despite what you told law enforcement, we have since seen the text that you actually called her and asked her to come home on the night of june 7th. >> no, sir, that is not correct. >> that is not correct?

that is absolutely not correct. >> so your sister-in-law mary testified to that fact that conversation you know mike she had with maggie but you say that is not true? >> i don't believe that is what she said. >> your defense put it in this exhibit, exhibit 107 were maggie text and said alex wants me to come home. >> i see that, and i agree with that. i've got the wrong one. >> i will just hold it up. have you seen this text? >> i have seen that. mr. walker's only dispute with what you have is you say i called maggie and told her to come home. i always wanted maggie to come home. i would have talked to maggie about coming home before she ever left to go to charleston. and i can tell you this, and i didn't realize this at the time, but i realize it now.

maggie was already undecided -- i didn't know this that maggie was undecided about staying at modesto and i can promise that because bubba and grady were in their kennels as you all well know that night, that day. if maggie was certain that she was spending the night, at a minimum bubba would have been with her and probably both dogs would have been with her. it is very unusual for her to spend the night anywhere without one of us or those dogs. so -- >> so that tells me when she left that morning, she was alrey seriously thinking about coming back. >> so you are saying you never called her and had a conversation that they asking her to come home, specifically

june 7th, 2021? >> maggie and i had a couple of comfort to conversations that day. what i'm telling you is before she left -- no, i don't believe we have a phone call -- we may have discussed it during the phone call, but i didn't make a phone call to ask her to come home. i had already told her eye wanted her to come home. i always wanted her to come home. you heard marian say that both also. i always wanted maggie with me. >> maggie thought enough to talk about it with marian. >> the fact that i wanted her to come home? >> right. >> well, sure. but that is what marian said to. >> so you are denying she called maggie and specifically you asked her to come home? >> i didn't make a phone call to maggie to ask her to come home that night. i asked maggie to come home long before she ever left. and i probably asked her again each time i talked to her that i didn't make but i didn't make a

phone call specifically for that as you were saying. and to be clear, i'm certain that if maggie was certain that she was spending the night, bubba would have been with her and probably grady. >> all right. >> why did you tell law enforcement you found out after the fact that maggie wanted to come home because she was concerned about you? why did you phrase it that way if what you are saying to the jury now is accurate? why would you phrase it that way? >> because i believe it to be the case. >> you found out afterwards but now you say -- >> i say found out afterwards, mr. waters. she came home because she was worried about me.

i will be clear about that. i did not learn that until -- i think the day after she got killed. >> but you were saying that you found out after the fact that you are telling this jury that you knew the things that you just said about her wanting to come home. and you were unaware what marian would say. >> i'm saying at that time, i had not thought about bubba and grady. since that time i thought about that, i'm certain of that. at the time, i thought maggie was staying at pedestal to meet the people, to do the work. maggie love to stay there, there is no doubt about that. it would not be unusual at all for her to stay there. but just like every other time, i had already asked her, please come back, come back. always wanted her to stay with

me. always! but i did not learn about -- and maggie even texted me, "i will see you in a few hours." but i did not know why she decided to come back until later. that is what i am saying. and i learned it from blanco. blanco actually showed me the text. tell mike that she sent her talking about me and being worried about me. >> you would agree with me that you sent a text to maggie at

nine: 58 while in the suburban as reflected by the data? >> i do. which was because i couldn't reach them by telephone. and i wanted them to know where i was. which is what we do. >> you got to alameda around 9:22? >> i believe that is correct. i don't have any reason to dispute that. >> you made some more phone calls along the way? >> i did make more phone calls

along the way while i was writing. >> you called mr. wilson? >> i did call chris wilson. >> you had a short conversation with him? is that right? >> i did have a conversation the record show. >> 131 seconds, does that sound right? >> if that is what the record shows, 2 minutes. >> you called your brother john martin for 156 seconds. >> that sounds about right. you are right that 9:26, it does that sound right? >> it does.

>> and then 9:24 you call the landline, alameda? >> that is correct. >> then you went inside. is that right? >> yeah. >> talked to shelley. >> that is right. the house phone to get shelley to let me end. >> and when you were asked about law enforcement how long you were at your mother's house, you said 45 minutes to an hour, isn't that right? >> i think i said a couple of different things, but i think at one time i did say that. but you know, routinely through these things come i kept saying, when you get this data, you will see exactly. when you get my phone you will see exactly. you know, so me given the times

was always given with the thought, okay, there is loan start out there or whatever. >> but when you had a conversation with michelle leigh, you actually asked her to say that you were there longer than 20 minutes. because you know, i heard shelley's testimony. and i believe shelley can be a good person. i wasn't trying to influence shelley on any particular link of time. because at the beginning of this, i believe that dado will show what data will show. and for me to tell her to say something when my onstar is going to show something different doesn't make sense. so, you know, i can't answer that but my recollection is i told shelley law enforcement would be talking to her. we may have discussed how long i

was there at what point in time if i thought i was there 45 minutes, i may have said i was here 45 minutes, but you know, i can't tell you. >> that is the same thing blanco testified that you talk to her about the clothes you were wearing might have been uncomfortable, correct. > >> asked that question again? >> similar with your conversation with blanco you testified about when you talk about the clothes you were supposedly wearing and made her feel uncomfortable. do you remember that testimony, sir? >> what is similar? >> that you talk to these individuals about their testimony in a manner inconsistent with what they know. >> no, i don't think your assertion is accurate. you have to understand this, on august 11, when i went to meet with david owens and in that,

david owens asked me about -- he showed me that snapchat and asked me about the clothes i had on. and shortly after that the next time i was with blanco, asked blanco about those close because david owens had asked me about them. and made an issue about it. so, i checked with blanco to see what i specifically asked blanco. it was an issue to me. so i got blanco and i need you to sit down and talk with me about this. this is important. do you remember my close when you came to moselle that day. she remembered exactly what she testified to. she remembered my pants were there. she wasn't sure if the shirt was

there. at that time from i think she actually thought the shirt was there, but she was clear she was not sure about that. oh, no, no, she didn't remember, but assumed that it was. so, that was the conversation that and why i was asking blanco. >> your very specific about that conversation, is that right, mr. murdaugh? who are dang right i'm consistent about that because the very short time before that, david owens is asking me questions and telling me i am a suspect in the murder of my wife and my child and asking me about my clothes. your dang right it was important! >> and you are doing right i remember white i went there and for what reason. >> only thing you are concerned about is yourself. you are not concerned about giving accurate information to law enforcement, correct? what is the reason for that,

mr. murdaugh. why don't you want to give accurate information to law enforcement? why do you want to talk to these women in your family and try to influence what they said? >> i didn't want to give law enforcement inaccurate information. i told a lie about being down there, and i got myself and that. but i wanted to give them as much -- i knew i hadn't done this, and they wanted to give you as much accurate information as i could. but the reason i went to blanco is specifically because david owens talk to me on august 11th. >> you can see you're on your way 9:42 heading back.

9:42-9:43. >> i do. >> you turned on moselle 9:01? >> i turned in at moselle 10:01? >> yeah, sorry. >> it looks like i turned in moselle at 10:00. >> 10:00 on the dot.

>> yes, sir. >> at the house 10:05? >> yes, sir. >> then, that is when you went back to the kennels after coming back from alameda, correct? >> i went to the kennels after i went to the house. i went from alameda to the house to the kennels. >> and we got to the scene, you got out of the car according to what you told law enforcement repeatedly and went and checked the bodies, correct? before you called 911, is that correct? >> no, sir, that is not correct. >> are you saying you didn't say

that to law enforcement? >> i don't know what i said to law enforcement but i can tell you this, i pulled off, and i saw mags and paul-paul, and i jumped out of that car. then i went back to my car and i called 911 as quickly as i co could. at that point in time when i got on the phone, then is when i went to them and did the things that i did. so what you are saying is not accurate. >> you're saying that you didn't say specifically that law enforcement, that you went to them prior to calling 911? >> wind? >> after you got out of the car, you told law enforcement repeatedly that you went over to check the bodies before you

called 911. >> if i did say that, i don't believe that is accurate. did i check maggie and paul before i called 911? no, sir, that is not accurate. at least that is not what i remember. >> that is not what you remember saying or remember saying what happened? >> no, that is not what i believe happened. >> okay, but you don't deny that is what you said. >> that i said that i checked maggie and paul before i called 911? i don't believe that is what i said. now come i know i checked them, but i don't believe i checked them before i called 911.

because i can pretty well remember vividly. when i checked paul-paul come i was already on the phone with 911. >> looking at this data, it showed the vehicle parking 10:05, 55 seconds? >> yes, sir. >> 10:55-10:57, the suburban

rise arrives at the kennels? >> i'm sorry, say that again? >> at 10:05-57, you arrive at the kennels? >> okay. okay. >> 911 call was at 10:06: 14, just 20 seconds later. do you agree with that? >> i think that sounds right, yes, sir. that makes sense. but that goes back to what i'm saying, i pulled up. i saw -- i sold them.

saw them and i know i jumped out of my car. but i believe that before i checked them, in fact, i'm almost certain that then i went back and i got -- that is when i went and got my phone and i called 911. and then after i called 911, i mean commit was a little while where i don't think anything was going on. and i believe that that is the time. make that i would have checked on them. >> i want to make this point that what you're saying today the data is not how you expressed it to law enforcement,

is that correct? >> no, sir, i disagree with that. i totally disagree with that, mr. waters. would you point to what you are talking about? >> okay.

>> all right, sir. >> [indistinct] >> all right, mr. murdaugh, state your full name first. >> re rick alexander murdaugh.

>> and your last name can you spell? murdaugh. >> all right, you go by alex? >> yes, sir. >> and date of birth? >> may 27, 1968. >> and a phone number for you. >> 803-942-1227. >> all right, sir. >> sir, what was your name? >> [indistinct] >> okay. all right, [indistinct]

i hate to have to do this. >> i understand. i totally understand. you don't have any problem with it. >> so, start at the top, date and time. >> like when i came back here? i pulled up and i could see them. you know, i knew something was bad. i ran out and it looked really bad. [crying] >> my boy over there i could see he was -- -- [crying] i could see his brains all over -- [crying]

and i ran over to maggie, actually, i think i tried to turn them all over first. you know, i tried to turn him over. i don't know, i figured it out. and his cell phone paul out of his pocket and i tried to do something with it trying to think but i put it down really quickly. and then i went over to my wife, i mean, i could see. >> did you touch maggie at all? >> i did. i try to take -- i mean come i tried to do it as limited as possible, but i tried to take their poles on both of them.

and you know, i called 911 pretty much right away. and she was very good. and i talked to her. i told her eye was going to get off of the phone to call some family. i did that. >> what family members did you call? >> i called my brother, randy, and i called my brother, john. and i tried to call a boy right around the corner from here.

>> the boy right around the corner, who were you talking about? >> that is correct. >> going back to your question, i mean commit that's the way i remember it, what i said right there. and you know, your question about do i do these things before i call 911, that is not what i said. that is not what i remember now. >> you will say now that you got your phone check and called 911? >> i am saying that now, but to me that is what i said them. i told her, i called 911 right away. there was no time to do the things that i'm talking about doing in the time between getting there and calling 911. >> you talked about calling

broken and he lived right around the corner, right? >> that is correct. >> rogan wasn't staying there the time. i saw recently was at your kennel, you know that. >> rope and was staying in beaufort a lot, but he was home a lot, too. i didn't know where rogan was on a daily basis. >> you talked about keeping his dog, cashed him at the kennel while he was staying with his girlfriend and working down there? >> yes, he would ask me and that would be sometime before. i didn't know -- you are making a big deal about this, mr. waters. but that particular night, i didn't have a clue where rogan was staying or not staying. i was trying to find somebody to come out there with me. i called randy. i called john. and rogan was the next next to mike best alternative. and rogan was so close, i mean

of all of that you heard, rogan, rogan you prefer that i call him rogan is truly like a son to maggie and i have. he was such a good friend to buster. he was such a good friend to paul. you have been through everything i have, you will see that two weeks or three weeks prior to this, i ran out of gas when buster and paul-paul weren't home. and broken is the person i called to bring me gas. >> nobody is disputing that about rogan. you keep playing this. >> where was paul when you walked up? >> blood. >> do you remember anything else? >> i mean yes, sir. >> tell me like any other evidence, did you see anything

else that didn't belong or shouldn't belong or that wasn't part of paul? >> no, sir, no. no, sir. >> how about maggie? >> no, sir. >> you didn't see anything wr wrong? what made you come out here tonight? >> i went to -- my mom is late stage alzheimer's and my dad is in the hospital. my mom gets anxious. when she does come i went to check on them and maggie is a d. and she deals with the dogs. and i knew she had gone to the kennel. i was at the house. >> you just testified that in the wake of this, you didn't know what you said to law enforcement.

that is what you just said? >> no, i mean, i know a lot of what i said to law enforcement, but there is a lot of things in looking back at this video, for one, and the 911 call, for one, there is a lot of things that i didn't remember. >> okay. >> but right then and there, just not long until this interview, you made a conscious decision to lie right there. >> play that again? >> you said, "i was at the house." >> and i knew she had gone to the kennel. i was at the house. i left the house. >> you want to back up some more? we can keep listening to it.

we can play it some more. >> what made you come out here tonight? >> i went to -- my mom is late stage alzheimer's patient and my dad is in the hospital. my mom gets anxious. when she does come i went to check on them and maggie. maggie is a dog lover. and she pools with the dogs. i knew she had gone to the kennel. i was at the house. >> you want to hear it again? >> no, sir. >> you made a conscious decision to lie right here sitting in the front seat with an interview? >> i don't believe so. >> you didn't make a conscious decision to live? >> i don't believe that was mine at that point. >> tell me why not. >> because maggie had gone to the kennels, and i was at the house. >> so you think you were being -- that was not a lie at that point. >> i don't believe so.

>> at what point did you decide to lie? >> i'm not sure but it was in that -- >> it was in this interview? >> it was. >> in the front seat? >> it is. >> i'm not in custody. >> they are giving you water, letting you chew tobacco and treating you lightly. >> they were treating me very politely. >> what is it that clicked question what you said in this interview it clicked that i'm going to lie about the most important fact that i know? >> i'm not sure exactly when i decided to lie, but i believe it was during this interview. i believe all of those things that i talked about. you know some of those things that had gone on and the things that people said to me about, don't talk to anybody without a lawyer. the partners all told me that. a lot of my partners told me that and a dear friend chief alexander is one that said that.

i overheard a come i believe it was sheer appeal, i'm not positive, i heard him tell homes, don't talk to anybody without a lawyer. what i believe is that based on my distrust of sled, and given that interview on them not positive about this but when he asked me about my relationship with my wife and my son, i believe that is when i decided to lie, but i'm not positive. >> and when you had the gsr to because that's what you testified to yesterday. >> that certainly occurred to. >> and when you had the coke problem. >> that is what triggered the paranoia that started as my addiction evolved. >> and so, your as an experienced lawyer and you are a prosecutor and you took advice of law partners that you should

have a lawyer they are as you read that as i should like? >> not, that is not accurate. >> that is not what that means, is it, mr. murdaugh? >> that is not an accurate statement what you just said, mr. waters. >> i just repeated it what you just said. you said it was one of the factors your law partners and now you are blaming sheriff hill and greg alexander who told you that you need is a low your before you talk to the police. and you took that somehow as meaning i need to lie as a lawyer and a prosecutor? >> that is what you said, mr. waters. >> i'm trying to get it from your perspective, mr. murdaugh. isn't that what you heard and isn't that what you just said, excuse me? >> no, sir, that is not what i said. >> eight again. i believe they were trying to help me and i believe they cared about me. and i believe they thought i was in a condition as such that i shouldn't talk to anybody.

i mean, i mean, those guys had to prop me up. help me get myself together just to be able to go talk to david owen's pier they were trying to help me. but before that, that was one of the many things that i believe led to that situation and sitting in there where those paranoid thoughts came to me. then talking about not talking to anybody without a low your, checking my hands. the fact that i have a pocket full of pills in my pocket. i was the person who found maggie and paul. my distrust for sled. all of those factors combined made me decide to live.

i also know him asking me about maggie and paul-paul contributed to that paranoia. all i am saying is, i'm not disputing i lied. i'm just saying at this point, you are saying that i made a conscious decision to lie here. and i'm saying come i don't think i made a conscious decision right there. >> i believe so. >> had you have your gsr at this point? >> yes work on my head. >> you talk to your law partners and sheriff hill and now you blame them. and chief alexander now as well for your lives? >> no so there sir, mr. waters. >> you just added that. >> can he be given an opportunity to answer the question? >> the last answer. >> mr. waters, i'm not blaming

anybody. i accept full responsibility for what i did. what i'm saying is what i believe contributed to me doing that. and the reason why i did that. i think those folks were trying to help me. so, i don't blame them. i think they were worried about me. >> i don't dispute that. but you are saying you took that advice as you had delight. >> what you are doing is isolating one single -- >> i'm not isolating anything but i mention all the factors and you added some new wins but i mention all the factors that cause you to live. >> you said, i took, i took my partners telling me not to talk to somebody without a lawyer is a reason to lie. that is an inaccurate statement. that is one of the factors that we went into a series -- hang on, mr. waters, a series of events i -- that caused me to

have paranoid thinking, all right? and then i lied. >> all right, but at some point it happened during this interview that you crossed over. you say you came into this interview and fully disclosing to everything and something happen in the interview that sent you over the edge, hey, let me lie about the last time i saw my wife and child alive. >> i certainly didn't go into the interview i believe intending to lie. mr. waters come i wasn't capable at that point in time of planning anything or thinking through anything. >> somehow during this interview all of a sudden this came to you to do that? >> when i caught two thinking in that paranoid way that normally as i said, i mean i could take a deep breath to make it go away.

i never had the situation where it lasted more than a matter of seconds. that night, after all those things had happened, it didn't go away in a matter of seconds. and i decided to lie. >> those are the clothes you ultimately gave to david owen scum is that right? >> those are the clothes i gave to david owens. >> at what point did you get rid of the pills in your pocket, when did you do that? when i was in the bedroom. >> yes or. >> where did you put them? >> i'm not sure but ultimately they would go in my suitcase. >> that is when you did and do you have specific recollection of that? >> no, i don't. i know i took them out of my pocket. >> we watch this whole video and do you think we could watch the whole thing come okay that is

the moment where my senses came to me and i decided i would tell this major lie? >> i don't know that it happen like that, but i may be able to tell you some things that contributed to it if we watch the whole thing. >> okay. >> i just want to be clear though, at least on this one, at some point during this interview when you are able to plan your lie about this event. and you made that decision.

>> i obviously -- >> it wasn't what we played but a little bit after that. >> i don't think that is a lie right there. is the reason why i don't think this occurred before the spirit of what i am saying there, i believe to be truthful. and i know this, i know for a fact that when david owens asked me about my relationship with my wife and my child come i know that played a role in that. and i believe that and i may be wrong, but i believe this was before that. >> have you ever heard of not telling the truth is the same as telling a lie? >> sure, i have. >> is that something you understood? has a lawyer and a prosecutor? >> yes.

>> all right. >> all right mr. murdaugh, can you state your full name for me? >> richard alexander murdaugh. >> spell your last names, sir. >> murdaugh. >> all right. and you go by alex? >> yes, sir. >> date of birth, mr. murdaugh. >> may 27, 1968. >> enter phone number. >> 803-942-1227. >> all right, sir. >> so, what was your name?

>> dan henderson. >> okay. >> all right. this date has been known, and [indistinct] i hate to have to do this. >> i understand my totally understand, sir. you don't have >> you hadn't decided to lie right there, correct? >> i don't believe so. >> you told david owen that you understood that he had to ask questions and you did what you need to do, correct? >> that is what i told him.

>> your honor, this might be a good time for a break. >> ladies and gentlemen, addressing the jury, we will break to 2:15. go to the jury room, please, and not discuss the case. >> john: ok, taking a break in the alec murdaugh trial as alec murdaugh gives gripping testimony for a second day in a row, this time the prosecutor trying to poke holes in the story he delivered when the defense was giving direct testimony. john roberts here, as weeg