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murder trial. the prosecution's cross examination getting heated in the second day as he repeatedly sparred with the prosecutor. >> aishah: prosecutors have questioned murdaugh's alibi, as well as other things on the night of the murders. we'll go back live as soon as it r resumes, but this. >> john: heartbreaking story we brought you yesterday, a young volleyball player using both of her legs in a car crash allegedly caused by a lifelong criminal who should never have been on the streets. >> aishah: the 16-year-old had committed to playing her favorite sport at the university of tennessee southern and despite the loss of her legs, she will reportedly still have a spot on that team. the prosecutor, though, to blame for that man being free in the first place could soon be out of

a job. continuing coverage of the story as we roll into hour two of "america reports." aishah hasnie. >> john: john roberts. >> aishah: critics say it could be prevented, many pointing their finger at kim gardner, accusing her of neglecting her duties. >> john: the missouri attorney general filing to remove her from office but she is remaining defiant. >> attorney general and others use this unfortunate incident and tragic happening to this young lady as a political stunt. >> john: and you'll never believe who she is linked to, left wing mega donor george soros. she's just one of dozens of prosecutors who have received funding from him. >> aishah: including los angeles district attorney george gascon. a new update on a case in his district, too. stick around for that. >> john: brian kilmeade with reaction to all of this.

>> aishah: and grady trimble live in washington. what more do we know about the legal filings against the st. louis top prosecutor? >> we know it's the first step in what could be a long legal process to try to remove circuit attorney kim gardner. the situation in st. louis is highlighting how progressive prosecutors like her have come to power all across the country. gardner is claiming that her office did its job in the case of janay edmundson, the teenager seriously hurt when a repeat offender with multiple bond violations caused a car crash when she was walking with her family downtown. missouri's attorney general called on gardner to step down herself, she did not, so now he's trying to remove her. >> the general assembly, the people's elected representatives have spoken and provided a mechanism, a safety valve, a check and balance to prevent this kind of abdication of authority, illegal willful neglect of one's duties.

>> the people have a process. if they no longer want me in this office and that's called an election. >> our researchers found gardner received at least $116,000 in political contributions and at least one paid ad from george soros-backed political action committees, in fact, the billionaire and influential democratic donor is reportedly behind 40 million in donations over the past decade to progressive district attorneys, ultimately leading to the election of 75 of them. that's according to a recent report from the pro police group law enforcement legal defend fund. among prosecutors who have received money from george soros' backed organizations, d.a.'s in chicago, new york, philadelphia, los angeles, all have been accused of being soft on crime, letting criminals go away scotch free in many cases and all of them overseeing areas that have seen a huge spike in

crime in the past couple of years. aishah. >> aishah: all right, grady trimble live for us, thank you, grady. >> john: bring in brian kilmeade, co-host of fox and friends and host of "one nation," brian, kim gardner is fighting attempts by andrew bailey to remove her from office saying it's a political stunt and nothing more than that and she's going to continue to do her job. >> brian: you know, what she has working against her is she's done such a terrible job and the people are paying the price, the people that own businesses, the people that want to walk the streets and the young girl that wanted to fulfill her athletic and academic potential. and she cares more about the criminal. wait a second. so does just about all these a.g.s that george soros went out of his way to finance in order to one by one take down all our cities. think about this. chesa bodine is out, and working

on philadelphia, alvin bragg is a flat-out embarrassment, he paid off his loans too quick, and st. louis kids are losing their livelihoods, they are dying on the streets, and she is indifferent about it. my hope is she gets justice and it's gone. no coincidence that ron desantis yeah, he's got a book in a week, but says i'm going to go to blue states into cities run by these d.a.s and let them know what it's like to have a law enforcement that is actually respected by the community, he has in most counties in florida. he went to philadelphia, he went to new york, he's going to chicago, and he's going to go there to point out that it is about time we get behind law enforcement and respect the people as much as they do the criminals. my hope is they find a way, i don't know the nuances of st. louis law, they find a way to get her out and send a message

unless you put somebody in democratic republican that is simply going to be aggressive against criminals, we have to turn the page or else the cities will never turn around. >> john: what andrew bailey said of gardner, instead of protecting victims she is creating them. she's saying look, i was elected, you were not elected, you were appointed when eric schmidt became senator for the state of missouri so shut your mouth, i'm going to keep doing my work. and the other big story what happened earlier this week with that 9-year-old girl, tiana major shot, dylan lyons, reporter shot and killed, and another shot and killed as a 19-year-old career criminal at the age of 19, yet according to the orange osceola prosecutor, most of his violent crimes, i think all of them, were committed when he was a juvenile, they only popped him for as an adult a small quantity

of marijuana. >> same thing in buffalo, the kid was a mess at 16, he turns 18, gets himself a gun and into this white su premist shoots people outside the mall. and the reporter getting ready to do the stand-up, he gets gunned down. i talked to the sheriff this morning, they just think it was a random shooting, don't think he was targeting anyone in particular. but look at a 9-year-old girl and say i have a great idea, let's shoot her dead and shoot the mom, too, and the cop approaches them, we see the footage through the bodycam, you hear him sming, i don't know if you want to go full sound, screaming leave me alone, i can't breathe. >> john: pause for a second here. >> they killing me, they killing me, they killing me, let me go!

let me go! let me go! >> john: according to the police, he had a gun in his waistband and the barrel was still hot. the prosecutor for orange osceola county, she received some campaign funds, maybe not directly from, but linked to george soros as so many other prosecutors, larry krasner, and george gascon, and the situation in general, our research shows when you arrest a child, when you send a child to jail you increase the chance they will do it again, and also increase the chance they shoot and kill. >> brian: the deranged teens have an expunged record at 18, we are all doomed. the people need to be adjusted.

if you are not going to put the belligerent who getting in serious trouble at 16, 17, 18, they can't live among us until they prove differently. you ask family members now on a gofundme to get $25,000 to bury their loved ones in the prime of their lives, what they think should happen, pretty sure i know the answer. just a little color how this killer acted in prison. every time they went to question him, denied doing it, pretended to fall asleep, he kept screaming, acting like a lunatic and people say oh, it's bad to arrest a 16-year-old, you are not directly affected. and the american people, not democrats or republicans, are fed up with this. >> john: ask the mother of tiana

major. >> trey yingst, one year as he sees it. drew, dr. drew pinski will talk about the rise in violence in schools as well as taking off the honor classes in schools. marc thiessen breaks down why the president of the united states is wrestling with domestic and foreign policy and slow to act on both, and kurt schilling, the new rules in baseball and why he's basically against all of them, and basically taking on the salary structure in major league baseball, where the mets got all the money and the pirates got none. will that work for the future of the national pastime. i hope everybody watches, i'm taking attendance. >> john: can't wait to see you hob knobbing with kurt at the christmas party this year. intense conversation. xr>> aishah: fox digital exclusive, another prosecutor, george soros', george gascon

igniting more controversy. d.a. has suspended a prosecutor for five days without pay in essence for insensitive language regarding a child molestor and accused killer. sources tell bill he apparently misgendered the low life seen here, this is hannah tubs, originally named james at birth. she, as she now identifies is now in jail in kern county, california, accused of beating a man to death with a rock. before that tubs served time in juvenile detention as a 26-year-old. this is all coming back, right. so, that's because gascon went easy on her. tubs had pleaded guilty to month lefting a 10-year-old girl and because the crime happened years ago just days before tubs was 18, gascon declined to try the case as an adult. tubs bragged about that in

jailhouse recordings. >> if i go ahead and plead now and just say i want to do parole or probation, then i'll be good, and no strings attached and [bleep] after like a year it falls away, then i'm good. yeah, i'll do that. i would do that 100 times fold. >> that is also around the time tubs started going as hannah rather than james. prosecutor who is now suspended questioned all of that and apparently that led to his suspension. fox digital is reporting "hannah has argued in the past jailhouse phone calls show tubs was attempting to use gender identity to game the justice system, argument that sources say made others in gascon's office uncomfortable and led to the suspension." holy cow. >> john: yes, indeed. the middle of all this,

sometimes the bad guys get caught and punished. one case in texas, happens with the help of a good samaritan. police have just released this dramatic video of the moments after a drunk driving crash. watch here. [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] you could kill somebody you mother [bleep] kill somebody. >> john: all of this happened in november of 2021, but the case just in court this year, detective servantes was killed in the crash. his wife and two boys were injured. the driver pled guilty to intoxication manslaughter and sentenced to 15 years in prison. you can see the good samaritan take him down as he was trying to flee the scene. >> aishah: after all the stories we do all day so negative, that makes me have hope and faith in our world there. >> john: a tragic story, but

when a good samaritan, a civilian, a passerby seeing something that happens and acts to help bring somebody to justice, that's always a good thing. >> when you can help, you should. >> aishah: still awaiting the return of cross examination of alec murdaugh in that murder trial in south carolina. that should reconvene shortly here. we'll take it back into the courtroom once that happens.

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zelenskyy and the rest of the g7. for some reason, president biden is not planning to mark the one year invasion with any remarks and also not out publicly telling president xi to stay out of ukraine, instead they are leaving top administration officials to deliver that message. >> it's hard to think why china would want to see this war get more bloody and more violent than it already has. and not only with the chinese government, we have also made it clear to chinese firms and to chinese banks that we would not tolerate trade deals that russia to evade sanctions. >> we have not seen china supply lethal aid to ukraine and we are continuing to make the case for why that would be a terrible mistake for them. >> president biden is not pushing for any kind of peace talks today between russia and ukraine. it sounds like as long as russia

remains in ukraine, the president is committed to sending billions of dollars worth of weapons and critics just hope he does it as fast as possible. >> my only criticism of the administration in our country so far is they have not seemed to provide the weapons needed fast enough. >> over the course of the last year, president biden has made a point to repeatedly let the whole world know that the united states stands with ukraine. many, many speeches, many remarks. today we don't expect to see him until he flies to delaware, john. >> john: but we do have another $2 billion of armaments. >> aishah: headaches for a possible 2024 contender. florida governor ron desantis is apparently under fire after calling out the white house for the blank check ukraine policy. that comment putting him in the

line of attack as critics question whether this is for his foreign policy agenda. will he rise to the moment? let's bring in shannon bream, fox news sunday anchor and chief legal correspondent. i think this is fascinating, if he does run for the white house, this might be a war that he inherits, and wall street journal called the war a test for the gop field, wrote this. peace through strength does work and there's a huge political opening for the candidate willing to take it. national security remains a top voter priority, primary goers want to know presidential candidates have a vision. mr. trump's position poses the gop first test, let's see who passes. liberal says, david brooks says desantis will turn off the nonpopulus parts of his party. so we have a number of gop potential candidates very clear about where they stand on ukraine.

can he, can desantis afford to stay vague? >> i think at this point he can. he's still vague whether he's getting into the race. we feel an infrastructure, we know a lot of the pacts are not directly aligned with him say we are putting the infrastructure together in case you decide to jump in, but i think the hints on big issues are certainly a look at where he'll be on some of the issues and i think it's an interesting one. we know here in washington there is a grumbling. some is public, about where we go with this ukraine situation and if we are going to have more funding, does the president come out and make a clear case for what the end point is. so i think candidates, gop and other democrats get in, i think that they are all going to have to articulate where they are on this. as you say, it lands in their lap as the next president. >> john: and something else david brooks wrote in his column was that at some point desantis has to define who he is, and not try to avoid either confrontation or aligning with trump.

he wrote he doesn't want to take on trump directly, so he shimmies. the problems which you are trying to be trumpy but not trump, you are never your own man. you have to compete with the king without crossing him. now, brooks might be a little too establishment for some conservatives but does he have a point? >> i think this is where governor sinunu picks up interest. he crossed trump and lived to tell about it. not made by trump, he's his own man but so many other potential gop contenders were part of the trump universe, served in his wake, close friends with him and i think they have to make a decision because they don't want to cross him, they are going to get the nicknames, many of them already have them. >> john: ron desantis -- >> and they have to make the argument why they are different, where they are different from trump or why are you even getting in. so they have to make some

distinctions. >> aishah: sean hannity said you are either for him or running against him. either for him or not. crime is huge in 2024. governor desantis did a big three-state tour tough on crime but taking some hits of his own state, 19-year-old triple murder suspect out on the streets despite his record. do you think it would have been a good opportunity to jump on this, get ahead of this? >> i think he's going to look around in florida and remember, there have been things he's gone after local prosecutors and people he felt were not willing to enforce the law on the books so he's going to have that i've already been tough on crime argument, but this heartbreaking, horrible case in florida is going to be another point, a political point potentially to discuss how it's working, where things fell through the cracks and who is responsible. >> john: if he runs for president, many people think he will, likely make crime a central component of his campaign. recently announced law and order

legislation in florida, which says in part "this proposal pushes back against the abolishment of cash bail, increases penalty for drug-related crimes, steps up human smuggling intradiction, feasible to have justice for those facing the death penalty," a shot across the bow for the soft on crime prosecutors and leaders who refuse to do anything about it in democratic cities. >> may want to go head to head, gavin newsom, will point and say murders are also he would argue higher in red states or red state governors, republican governors, and so it is going to be something that other states are going to try to use and other candidates will try to use and say florida has its own problems and not the model for everywhere, but he's going to go we will try to solve the

problems. >> senator tim scott is with us on sunday, and senator ben cardon as well, i do not think he'll be announcing a run to the white house, but ukraine, spending, policy, biden administration and the looming debt. >> john: i don't think he will do the vivek role. >> suspended prosecutor released a statement, read it to you right now, he says this. i was suspended for speaking out against the gascon administration, misgendering tubs while informing them they were being played is just their excuse for the suspension. so that is brand-new in that developing story. >> john: as we speak about law and order in the 2020 campaign

and california, back to the courtroom in south carolina, i think the jury is back in, and now the prosecution resumes its cross examination of alec murdaugh. listen in. >> left off we were talking about at what point during that interview in the car with dave owen that you decided to start lying about the murders of your wife and son. i'm going to pick up this video real quick, not going to play the whole thing, but start from two minutes and nine seconds. [inaudible] >> like what i came back here, i mean, i pulled up and i could see 'em and you know, i knew something was bad, i ran out, i knew it was really bad and my boy over there, i could see it

was -- and i could see his brain -- and i ran over to maggie and actually i think i tried to turn paul over first, you know, i tried to turn him over and i don't know, i figured it out -- his cell phone popped out of his pocket, i started to try to do something with it, thinking maybe but then i put it back down really quickly, then i went

to my wife and i mean i could see -- >> did you touch maggie at all? >> i did, touched them both. i tried to take -- i tried to do it as limited as possible but i tried to take their pulse on both of 'em. and you know, i called 911 pretty much right away, and she was very good. i talked to her, i told her i was going to get off the phone to call some family members, i did that, and --

>> what family members did you call? >> i called my brother randy and i called my brother john. and i tried to call a little boy, a real good friend right around the corner from here but i didn't get him. >> ok. >> what all was around paul when you walked up? >> blood. >> anything else? >> i mean, there was some body things, yes, sir. >> i mean, like any other evidence, i know you said the phone fell out of the pocket. did you see anything else that didn't belong or shouldn't belong or that wasn't part of paul? >> no, sir, not -- no, not -- no, sir. >> how about maggie? >> no, sir. >> you didn't see anything around them?

what made you come out here tonight? >> i went to my mom's late stage alzheimer's patient, my dad is in the hospital, i went to check on them and maggie is a dog lover, she fools with the dogs, and i knew she had gone to the kennel. i was at the house. >> just to be clear, you say you hadn't made the conscious decision to start lying about your wife and son's murder right there, correct? >> i don't believe so. mr. waters, i can't tell you exactly when that decision occurred. >> ok, you can't describe to the jury the moment you decided to lie about your wife, son and your wife and son's murder? >> i can't tell you exactly when that moment occurred. >> all right. >> i left the house and went --

>> you did say earlier when david owen asked you about your relationships, that was a trigger point, correct? >> well, that was certainly one of the things that contributed or made me paranoid. >> ok. >> now, you know, already things had gone on that occurred as i said that put me in that mindset. but exactly when i decided to lie about that, i can't tell you. >> so the things again, you talked about your dope paranoia, the fact they had taken gsr, and you talked about the advice of your law partners and sheriff hill and greg alexander, and then you talked about your distrust of sled, somehow from this -- the circumstances and demeanor of this interview right here. >> my distrust from sled did not

arise from this interview. my distrust from sled arose from a couple of things, and it's really several things. it arose from the way they had been involved in -- sled had been involved in the investigation into paul's criminal charges and they had been involved in -- there was an issue that had gone on with some rumors about buster and paul, they had been involved in that, where, you know, buster nor paul had anything to do with what i'm talking about and sled would never -- sled never said that, you know. they told their lawyer that, they never say that. and there had been another incident where sled had charged greg alexander, my friend in this case, they charged him and

in fact, i thought the agent that was involved in that was david owen, but the charges against greg alexander were so -- they were so wrong that my dad and i made a conscious decision, even though he was a career prosecutor, made a decision to go to the courthouse and sit with greg alexander while his trial went on because -- >> about ten years ago, right? >> it was a while back. >> you don't know if dave owen was at sled ten years ago. >> no, no, i checked on that. because that night the officer who was involved in that case and bringing clearly manufactured charges against greg alexander. >> the night before you sat down for this interview you were asking somebody about greg alexander ten years ago in the wake what had occurred? >> i didn't ask anybody.

>> that's not what you discussed in the car. >> no, i'm telling you i thought david owen was the same agent that was involved in that case. now, i learned later because i checked on it, i learned later that it was a different david sled agent, first name david with a different last name. i learned that later. i'm just saying that was all part of that process going on in my mind. >> so you are saying that you are sitting here right now thinking this dave owen and this circumstances and demeanor of this interview you are thinking that guy had been involved in the prosecution or investigation of your friend ten years ago. >> i did. >> okay. so here is a new one, you mentioned to us, correct? >> no, not a new one. >> circumstances are new, that's fairly specific, don't you think? >> well, no, sir. >> the story keeps evolving, keep going, keep going. >> you asked me about this, mr. owen, part of this -- i mean -- mr. waters. part of this whole process involved my distrust for sled. that was part of a big part of

my distrust for sled. >> uh-huh. yeah, and we can all see it on your face in this interview, can't we. >> i don't know. >> all right. but you said when what you just said a little bit ago, that wasn't the lie, that wasn't the conscious decision yet. >> i'm saying i don't believe that it was. i don't know exactly when i made the decision to lie about that. >> all right. if you see it, let me know. i want to go forward. >> to my mom's for just a little while, tried to call her, texted her, no response. when i got back to the house the house was obviously nobody was in there so i figured they were still up here fooling around. paul was gonna be getting set up to plant our sunflower seeds got

sprayed and died and he was refiguring to do, to plant the sunflower seeds. so -- i came back up here and drove up and saw. and called. >> had maggie and paul been arguing over anything? >> no. what was their relationship like? >> wonderful. >> wonderful. how about yours and maggie's? >> wonderful. i mean, i'm sure we had little things here and there, but a wonderful marriage and relationship. >> and yours and paul's relationship? >> as good as it could be. >> how old was paul? >> 22. >> that was, right there, that line of questioning, just asking some very general questions about your relationship, you mentioned that before, didn't you, mr. murdaugh.

is that the moment right there? is that the look on your face when you decide to lie about an important fact in your wife and son's murder? >> i don't know as i said, mr. waters, i don't know the exact point that i made that decision. >> you earlier mentioned that very exchange as somehow triggering you to lie about the last time you saw them alive. >> i'm not saying that that's what made me lie. i'm saying this whole set of circumstances caused me to be in a state where i had paranoid thoughts. >> ok. >> that normally, mr. waters, i could take a deep breath and make go away in a second or two seconds. or three seconds at the most. and on this night i wasn't able to do that.

but all of those things that i mentioned i believe contributed to that. >> ok. any more you want to add now, since you keep adding them? >> i'm glad to answer any questions you have. >> i'm asking you. the factors have gone from yesterday to today and now even after lunch we have some new ones. anything else to add as to factors? >> mr. waters, i don't believe that i've added any new factors. i believe that's what i said yesterday. >> all right. >> i've explained some of those factors because of your questions but i don't believe i've added any factors. >> ok. all right, let me move this forward just a little bit.

>> most of this was stuff from, you know, a couple of them, but not -- >> you talked about yesterday in great detail about the boat case which you brought up on the 911 call and to daniel green, and then of course in this first interview, correct. >> i did mention the boat wreck. >> and you described that -- do you remember what you said in this interview about the boat wreck? >> not specifically. >> not specifically. the other people involved in the boat wreck, you don't remember specifically? do you remember specifically? i guess you said no. >> i don't remember talking about the boat wreck, and i -- that i talked about the boat wreck. >> okay. i'm going to play from 17:14. >> direct threats between any of the people on the boat specifically, but i do think there's been a small amount of

yip-yap between a couple of them, but not recently. >> ok. >> what was the term you used for that? small amount of yip-yap? >> yeah, and just to be clear, mr. waters, there was never ever a point in time where i thought that the people that were involved in the boat wreck did this to paul-paul and maggie. i've never thought that. >> never thought that, but it's literally one of the first things that you said out of the 911 call. >> nah, that's not what i said. i never ever ever under any point in time believed that those kids that were riding in that boat or their parents or their families -- i didn't believe any of the families, the people that were involved in the boat wreck had anything to do with hurting maggie and paul. but i can tell you that at that time, and as i sit here today, that i believe that boat wreck is the reason why paul-paul and maggie were killed and i'm -- i

believe that. >> there was random vigilantes. >> no, what i believe, mr. waters, is i believe that when paul was charged criminally there were so many leaks, half truths, half reports, half statements, partial information, misrepresentations of paul that ended up in the media all the time. and when i tell you the social media response that came from that was vile, the things that were said about what they would do to paul-paul, they were so over the top that nobody would believe anybody would get on

social media and do that. but i believe then and i believe today that the wrong person, the wrong person saw and read that. >> ok. >> 'cuz i can tell you for a fact that the person or people who did what i saw on june the 7th, they hated paul murdaugh and they had anger in their heart. and that is the only -- the only reason that somebody could be mad at paul-paul like that and hate him like that. >> got you. all right, so we've got now -- >> that's why i did then believe it was the boat wreck, and i believe now that the boat wreck. >> all right. so we've got random vigilantes

because of the boat wreck. >> i don't know that they were random vigilantes. >> you just said it was not the family or the kids in the boat, you are saying somebody off social media, you don't have any evidence of that, do you, you just believe that and telling the jury that as you try to explain the lie that you told for the first time yesterday, isn't that right. >> no, sir, it's not right. >> it's not right -- all right, well let me ask you a question. you are telling the jury it's a random vigilante. >> that's your term. >> the 12-year-old 5-2 people that happened to know paul and maggie were at moselle on june 7th, knew they would be at the kennels, and that you would not be there, but only between 8:49 and 9:02, show up without a weapon, assuming they would find weapons and ammunition there, commit the crime during the short time window and then travel the same exact route you do around the same time to alameda, that's what you are

trying to tell this jury? >> you got a lot of factors in there, mr. waters. all of which i do not agree with but some of which i do. >> all right. >> you testified earlier that after this happened -- let me back up just real quick. when you were driving to and from alameda, being why were you in such a hurry, where are you

rolling 70, 80 miles an hour down that dark beat-up road. >> i wasn't in such a hurry. >> you weren't. >> no, sir. >> all right. >> i'll show you what's been marked as state 573, see if you recognize this. >> i do. >> and tell the jury what that is. >> that's maggie's car. >> what's it in front of. >> the house at moselle. >> and what's between the house

and the mercedes? >> the golf cart. >> is that where it was on june the 8th, to your recollection? >> no, sir. >> is that where it was -- >> i mean, it was near there, but that's not exactly where it was, no, sir. >> ok, where was it? >> where we would normally park it would be a little bit closer to the sheds. i mean, a little bit closer to the house, to the bushes. >> ok. your honor, this -- >> when was that photograph taken? >> do you recognize when it was taken? >> no, i don't recognize -- no, sir. >> you wouldn't dispute it was around the time and the aftermath of the murders, would you? >> aftermath being when? >> i'm asking you. >> a day, a week, an hour? >> i wasn't there, mr. murdaugh. do you recognize this? >> i recognize the car, i recognize the house, and i recognize the golf cart. but that is not -- that's not exactly how it would have been

that night. >> can you describe to me then where it would be different? >> well, it would be more in line with -- first things first is when we drove the golf cart, or when i drove it for sure, and i believe when the others drove it, you would come in and you would -- you would go across the little brick walkway that's in front of this so if i would have come in and gone this way or i would have come in and gone this way. this is not a place that any of my family would have normally parked and so what i'm assuming is this obviously is taken at daytime and what i'm assuming is it was taken with sled came to -- the earliest it was taken when sled came to the house the next day, which i believe the testimony is in the afternoon and at this point in time that

golf cart, i would assume, would have been moved several times, but that's not how it was. >> well, where did you leave the golf cart when you got out of it around 8:49. >> in the manner i just talked about. >> help me out again so i understand. you would have come around this way or that way, but where would it end up? >> it -- in this picture, it's facing to the right. >> oh, i've got you. >> the night -- the night that i drove it, i believe i parked it facing to the left. >> i understand. >> would be customarily how i did it. and i believe i did it that way that night. >> ok. >> and that is how i would have gotten into it. >> all right. that's a very specific memory, thank you. >> that's how it normally is. >> state 573 into evidence. >> no objection. >> submitted without objection. >> very briefly -- >> and see, mr. waters, you can

see in the picture now if you bring it on the screen, if you look to the right you can see the actual steps and just to the left of that would be where the little brick patio starts. so where i would normally park it you would roll across those bricks and the end of the golf cart would be just past those. and we all normally parked it that way because the way you charged this golf cart is if you see that back seat, you can see the edge, this is a three-seat golf cart and you can see the back seat and a lot of golf carts have the charger sits on the floor or something. this golf cart has the charger that's plugged in and a part of the golf cart so you flip the seat up and it plugs in, and the outlets are right up there by the door. >> ok. anything else you want to say about that? >> i'm going to answer any

questions you have, mr. waters. >> i appreciate all that information in great detail. >> objection to the comments. >> sustained. >> all right. >> it's just never parked that way. by the family. >> can i have the computer back, please? mr. murdaugh, i'm going to put up the second interview, this would have been june the 10th, and i'm not going to play the whole thing but want to go through a couple things with you, ok?

>> anything you want to go through, mr. waters. >> i apologize, got ahead of myself. i want to do one last thing on the first one.

>> this is the first interview. >> she had been having trouble with her stomach and tooth. it was a routine -- i can't rem rem remember. she told me the name, i can't remember. gordine or gordine is who she saw. >> was she back home around supper time or 6:00, 7:00? >> i don't think she got back

that early. she got back a little bit later than that. >> okay. >> what did you do? did you go to the office? >> no. i was home. paul and i messed around. i was up at the house. i laid down, took a nap on the couch. probably -- i don't know -- 25, 30 minutes. i got up, i called maggie. didn't get an answer. and i left to go to my mom's. she said she might ride with me. she normally doesn't when i go over there. i think i texted her. >> there, when you repeated the lie? that you decided? >> was that the moment that --

>> the moment you decided to lie, it begun with that one? >> i don't know i told you the moment that i decided to lie. at that point in time -- >> you did lie there, correct? >> i did. >> it was odd that she didn't call me back. it was odd but it wasn't that big of a deal. >> all right. i'm going to the second interview. it's been previously admitted.

you said in your direct testimony that after these crimes happened, you were around family, your family was around you. your law partners were around you every waking minute after that. didn't you say that yesterday? >> yes. they were for a long time. >> all right. and this second interview was three days later, is that right? >> that's correct. >> and in no time with any of your close friends and law partners and family do you confess the truth, do you? >> no, i did not. did you say hey, man, i think i messed up. what should i do about this? >> no, i didn't. >> you're not telling that lie to anyone, are you?

until yesterday. >> excuse me? >> you're not telling that lie to anyone until yesterday, are you? >> not telling what lie? >> saying i tried to tell somebody that i was lying? >> all right. [inaudible] >> i'm going to move this to approximately 24:56.

correction. 12:28. >> he doesn't like to go to doctors. making him go get his blood pressure checked, his feet were swollen up recently. you know, that was -- if it was a big huge deal. >> okay. >> you know, we hung around the house a little while. i know that maggie went to the kennels. i don't know exactly where paul went. he left the house, too. >> okay. how did maggie get down to the kennels? >> i don't know exactly. on normal occasions she would drive, drive a buggy, drive a four wheeler or very common for her to walk. >> okay. >> how about paul?