steve: we have announced it will be in august thank you so much for being with us tonight. nancy graces next with the murder special we will see you next sunday when "the next revolution" will be televised. >> i have alex murdaugh on the line, his wife and child was shot. [ sound of gunfire ] >> take this gun, blow your son's brains out. >> no, i do not. >> it's so bad. fired into your wife maggie? >> no.

i did not. >> is at your door, mr. murdaugh, bad things happen. >> what do you mean by bad things. >> do you know why people lie, because they know they have done something wrong. >> are you. >> i would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them. ever. ever. nancy: i'm nancy grace, thank you for being us with here for special investigation of alex murdaugh double murder trial, we're camped outside of the court of house. in less than 12 hours. 0930 court will resume. we saw the debacle on the stand last week. there he goes, alex murdaugh, crying and crying.

there is a report that one of the juror,handed him a box of kleenex, did they believe him? he did a great job, but during cross-examination. it began to fall apart under the beating he took from the prosecutor. this is is the reason you should never take the stand, remember that fifth amendment right to remain see lent, listen to our cut number 12. >> i don't believe doing that. i don't believe that i ever had one of those, i don't think a single thing about that, not they remember, i don't recall. mr. waters if if did, i sure don't recall it. i don't remember taking an oath. i have no idea.

i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. but i don't believe so, but i really don't know. >> you don't believe so. >> i don't remember having, that i don't know. >> you don't remember that. >> i don't remember that. no, sir i don't know. i i don't have a specific memory, i can say, i don't remember it or wall this mr. waters. nancy: okay. you know what that is not enough. after multiple hours of direct and cross-examinic. he kept doi it, cut 13. >> i don't know. i don't know as i said mr. waters i don't know, no, i don't recognize. i don't know. no, sir, i don't recall that. i don't know about that. i don't believe that's correct, no, sir. >> no, sir, i don't know

that. i don't know. i don't know remember i don't remember saying that. i don't know exactly. nancy: joining me tonight, all-star panel to make sense of what we know. make a calculated predication. but first i want to go to high profile lawyer eric bland, he is representing gloria satter feel family, they were one of alex murdaugh's many victims, he represented them and stole millions of dollars. let me be a little more clear, eric bland, gloria satterfield was long time housekeeper and helped to raise the two boys and she fell to her death at murdaugh home, then murdaugh got a multimillion dollar settlement for them, and son left behind, i think is

development alally challenged. he was living in a mobile home which was going to be foreclosed upon, and murdaugh took her money, that is where you come in representing the family? >> right, not only just brian harriet and tony satterfield, he used it as an opportunity to enrich himself. it was ultimate act of betrayal to someone that family loved. you know this guy r asked for forgiveness so many peoples but never said i apologize to any of his victims, he said i did them wrong. but he never said i apologize for breaching the trust that you reposed in me, that i stole the money that you needed at the most vulnerable time of your life when you lost your mother or

a catastrophic injury or tons of medical bills. the guy lied, his whole life, then said what the devil's at the door i'm going to tell you the truth now and you must believe me. nancy: eric. i was going to ask about strategy of putting him on the stand. i have to say, he did a pretty good job under directed examination. the lead defense attorney had that all laid out and planned. i wonder how many hours they reversed that, it fell apart, bland. that is all we have fifth amendment right to remain silence so this does not hatch, i feel activity one step forward -- feel it was one step forward on dir directed 2 steps back on cross. >> it is a high wire act who you put your client on the

stand. the minute he stepped on the stand and admitted he committing crimes he sealed his fate under the state financial crimes, and federal government, a backstop. but really what was shocking to me was the admission he lied from the start about being at the kennels, and the drop the mic moment is last question they asked he set him up, saying i distrust sled, i like local law enforcement but i lied because of sled, and they played initial officer who came on scene, green, he said to him, went 15 seconds, to a guy who just arrives on scene, i had not seen my wife and my son for 45 minutes, i was in the house, i was never at the

kennels. >> all right setting it up. there his wife and son, he is lying, standing a few feet from them, they are on the ground, riddled with bullets and he is already setting up an alibi. this is where it starts. the pane panel, as we go, ann is joining me the star of unsolved south carolina, murdaugh, murders, money and mystery, you were in the courtroom, this is where the whole thing starts he lies at the get go. about the night of the murders, everyone on the panel, that is listening to fox right now, has lost somebody they loved. they loved dearly. and the last moments that you are with them, i know for me, it is forever engrained in my memory, but somehow, the pill popping

serial liar, alex murdaugh got is bass akwards about that night. >> at some point we are at the house together, maggie had gotten home. and you know we sat down, and ate supper, we usually eat supper together, i know that maggie went to the kennels, i don't know where paul went. but he left the house too. >> okay. >> i'm assuming paul went to the kennels, i stayed in the house, i was watching tv looking at my phone, i actually fell asleep on the couch. >> you and paul got back to the house, miss maggy is there and y'all eating supper you said you laid down and took a little nap, when you got up mage and paul was gone or did they leave when you laid down. >> i believe that -- i'm not

sure. >> they weren't there whether you woke up around 9:00 mark or so when you made the call to maggie to let her -- >> no. nobody was in that house when i left. >> trying to narrow it last time you saw paul and maggie is when y'all was eaten supper. >> yes, sir. nancy: just shocking. >> and hearing that again. all starts. nancy: right there is where is starts to fall apart, at that juncture he doesn't know that by accident, a video ta was taken and can be timed to one or t two

minutes before the murders, his voice is on that video. right there he is telling police, that he had dinner, i think they went to the kennel and i took a nap and left to see my mom, nothing about the kennel, that is why that is the pivotal moment, ann. >> it is everything, nancy you are right. everyone that heard that, it is the jurors who now have this in their head, they have listened to this over and over again. this kennel video of when he was actually there at opposed to what we heard, his story that he told not once, 3 times to investigators and multiple times from what we have been told to family, and friends.

and loved ones. this is a lie he stuck to, up until the day he told us what happened in court. nancy: you are right. ann emerson, i want to go to chris mcdonough. joining me director of cold case foundation. and star of youtube channel the interview room. you have investigated over 300 homicide cases, isn't it true every homicide victim family weres the last moment -- remembers the last moment they saw their loved one, the words that that were exchanged. what happened, somehow that night, alex murdaugh forgot the last thing he said to his wife, last time he saw his son, have you seen that before? >> absolutely not, your point is 100 percent on target. that type of trauma him you know allegedly rolling up on it, that -- those memories

become even more important to that individual. we have all experienced it in our lives. and for him to kind of -- almost as if he was shifting gears, while he was speaking without really having any real emotional traumatic connection until -- it just again it didn't feel genuine. nancy: okay, guys, before we go do break, i want to hear the kennel video. murdaugh had no idea his voice was caught on the video. and he doesn't find out until months pass, and his son paul's phone is unencrypted. they finally get this video. and there he is. at the murder scene. cut 21.

>> get back. get back. quit. quit, cash, it's okay, come here. come here, cash. >> he got a bird in his mouth. >> hey, bubba. >> it's a gimme. >> a chicken. come here. cash. ♪ ♪

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nancy: so, this is where it all started to fall apart

for alex murdaugh on the stand. if you listen carefully, you know, ann emerson. the video is, paul's friend, was keeping his dog at murdaugh kennels at the hunting long lodge, there was something wrong with the dog they wanted paul to take a video and send it to their friend, they are back and forth on text-messages and calls about getting the dog to be still. to take a picture of it to the vet is that how this emerged in. >> it is and it became such a critical part of the story, this life long friend of the paul's. they could not have been closer, paul of the just very innocent let's taking this video of this.

>> to the video, get to the video. >> okay. nancy: paul and maggie are out there in the kennels, if you listen carefully, remember alex murdaugh told police, he left from the house, after he had dinner with his family and a nap to go to his mom's, then, this emerges. take a listen again, if you listen at end you hear murdaugh saying, come here, bubba. >> talking to the dog. >> get back, get back. quit, cash. quit. it's okay. come here. come here, cash. come here. hold still, cash. >> he got a bird in his

mouth. >> hey, bubba. >> it's a chicken. >> come here cash. >> come here bubba. >> come h bubba. nancy: that third voice in the background is will -- alex murdaugh accords to close friends, he did not know that existed. why jeff gentry, what took so long to deencrypt paul's phone, defense did not know he was caught on this video. until it was too late. he had already given the statement he was somewhere else. >> nancy some of these new cell devices are hard to get

into, i am sure they had to obtain a lot of paperwork before they could get in the phone, difficulty level of finding that information, it is great they found it. a huge piece of evidence. there is a lot of good forensic evidence in this case, there is bloodstains and trajectories. all oautopsy reports and gs,, but this is the most purpose piece of evidence, without it i don't think he would have fessed up, he would have co never would have told the truth, he thought he was better than everyone, he would have never admitted to this crime had not been for this piece of evidence. nancy: even after jeff, they video began to emerge, alex murdaugh stuck to his guns.

cut 23. >> the question you just asked him, is that d deal with whether he went to kennels or not after supper. >> correct. >> he said he had not. >> background. you were in the background. that was prior to -- >> asked me if i was up there, he said he thought it was me. >> it was you? >> that at 9:00. >> yes, sir. >> no, sir. not if my times are right. >> who do you think it could have been. >> i have no idea. >> and has been around your

family for pretty much all your life. >> yes. >> he recognized your vice, you have a distinct voice. can you think of anything else that has a voice similar to yours that. >> no, sir. nancy: with me is a renowned opioid expert dr. william maroney. author of american narcan. doctor this guy, by his owned mission has about a 50 thousand to 60 thousand a week addiction to opioids. he lies so well. are you surprised? >> not at all. anyone who has a chronic substance use disorder, has basically had their brain

rewired by the opioids. the amount of medicine he needs to take that he is obtaining illegally is astounding, average 30 day supply is something like this. and if he is taking what me -- he says, he taking this much, that has to cause impaired thinking and at-this-point it doesn't make him slower, or talk funny, it affects his moral and ethical judgment. and leads to criminality.

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nancy: welcome back, we're here at sid outside of the courthouse in about 11 hours testimony will resume, the judge is a stickler, always on time. the courtroom is very controlled. although last friday on cross-examination the judge had to admonish the courtroom there ul be no jeers or cheers, a ripple went through the courtroom when murdaugh was caught in a lie. you know something like that can bring on a mistrial. do i think it will happen here? no, not for that but when anything unl unusual like that happens in front of jury, the defense has a right to ask for a mistrial we would be back at square one. the judge immed

immediate reined in inch. we believe that defense will put up two more with businesses possibly a pathology, a crime scenic pert or a tech, then. the state, not to be out outdone will insist they have the last word and some degree of a are y rebuttal case, what you saw was murdaugh getting caught in a lie, having no idea his voice was on the video taken one to two minutes before his wife and son were murdered at their hunting lodge dog kennel. sidesteps that he was never about until he was caught on tape, what do you do when you are busted? you blame the police. cut 4. >> when get arrested i went to jail, we began reaching

out to you to talk to you about all of these things to try to tell you everything that i had done to give you details to help y'all go through these financial things. and up until the time that y'all charged me with murder and my wife and child, you would never give jim griffin a response to our invitation to sit down and meet with you. >> you are saying that before yesterday you reached out anyone through yourself and your attorneys and reached out to law enforcement and told them the story about the kennels, are you selling me that. >> >> aim i'm telling you. >> the questioning him about volunteers information on these charges violates his fifth amendment right wuss object. >> object is overruled. >> for the record he did not bring. >> financial stuff. >> sit down mr. griffin. nancy: you don't hear that often judge said sit down.

but, he did it now you don't have a fifth amendment right to remain silent once you choose to speak that is what he did, he took the stand. he voluntarily sh spoke to police, once you choose to no longer remain silent it is all over, they can ask you anything they want to ask you. and i would think at-this-point eric bland, high profile lawyer connected to case, that him taking stand expurched going and under going cross-examination, turned in to some of the a litmus test. >> yes. he could have had his lawyer just write the prosecution and say, i know i have told you that on multiple

occasions i was not at the kennel, that is not true, his let his lawyer go on hbo special aired in november of 2022, and jim griffin said, he was sleeping in the house and he never went to the kennels, after this was aired, he could have said to his lawyer, hey that is a mistake. he waited up until the day hhe testified, he didn't tell his son, his only living son, i was there 5 minutes before your mother and brother died. and i have scrip kept it from you for two whole years, and he waited 42 minutes. >> dr. michelle dupree, eric bland is correct. dr. dupree is joining me here in south carolina, medical examine.

you have i have seen a lot of homicide scenes and investigated a lot of cases. and i don't believe and you could look into our own hearts, that people that you love the most, that have passed away is there one person on this panel that cannot remember the last moment you were with your father, our f fiance whoever has passed away that moment that you will remember forever? i never seen a defendant do this. >> right. and it is amazing to me that it seems to roll very smoothly off his tongue. simple minor details of things that are relatively unpounimportant. but things of the construction of the case he can't remember, he does not have a recollection it

amazing to me how this man thinks or maybe he does not. >> -- nancy: weigh in, i believe that while the defense had it going fairly well. up until the defendant took the stand, now it seems to all turn on whether the jury will believe alex murdaugh is telling the truth. forget everything that else, trajectory path and people line and all-tech call evidence it is now boiled down to it he lying and, of course, he is. >> and let's hope they are paying attention right, to how he is doing it. if we listen to him, he qualifies what he is hear, then deflects what he is hearing and attempt to confirm the type of answer that prosecution may be looking for, for example he

goes i may have, i'm not positive. but perhaps. that is a -- who answers a question like that and then, it is -- sled is at fall for him being at video at kennel, if jury pays attention to the clip you played when you open the show how he answers a question with a question, then he deflects these really fast i think, i believe, i don't know type of answers in. i think they will figure him out quickly.

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>> no, my boy, i could see. it was -- i could see his brain. i ran over to maggie. and actually, i think i tried to turn paul over first. um. you know i tried to turn him over. and i don't know. i figured it out. his cell phone popped out of

his pocket. started try to do something with it. thinking maybe but then i put it pack down really quickly. then i went to my wife. >> did you touch maggie. >> i did. i touched them both. i tried to take -- i tried to do it as limited as possible, tried to take their pulse on both of them. and um, you know, i called 911. umpretty much right away. nancy: well, here is the tricky thing about what he just did right there. he said, hig he came back from his mothers, clocked at 80 miles per hour on the dark two lanes with no lights, he gets back. he says, he comes upon them in the kennel, and he checks them, both of them, paul's cell phone call falls out,

he replace its calls 911, he said there but ann emerson, is it not true that later on he could not keep the story straight he said he pulled up, saw the bodies, called 911 he raced over there. and began to attending to the bodies then yet again he is confronted wh with a time line from the navigation on the car, he said, oh,well un, what i think i was calling 911 while i ran to paul's body, and checked for a pulse, 3 different stories. >> these are -- this is a great example of what prosecutor waters was trying to talk about how he is had a change his story, to fit the new timelines, this new information that came in you are talking about a really important data point that came a act across at his

car that put him at kennel went when we figured to be 14 and 20 seconds of when he called 911. how did you do all this, checking bodies going through the shock, get back to the car, these steps were not happening in that time, that story changed to wait, i think i was calling 911 while i was checking the bodies but i'm not sure which first. that got very sticky as he was talking. nancy: to dr. william morrone. could you explain to me how this extreme addiction he claims he has to opioids 50 grand a week would affect his -- all of hits actions that night. would it make him numb to shooting his wife and son? would he be able to remember it? he seemed lo lo lucid

when talking to cops. >> impaired thinking, no logic, driven by emotions and remeeting changes that make no sense, nonlinear, impaired thinking all of the way. >> nancy, i have to interrupt. i don't know that this is impaired thinking. i'm not an expert on chronic addiction, however, alex is preparing his alibi from the minute that police arrive on the scene. that does not seem to be impaired. ing to me. agoing to me, he is -- thinking to me, he is making his answers appear to fit the evidence. that is not impaired thinking to, in my mind. your m? at new chapter its innovation

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nancy: we're here outside of the courthouse, in a new hours testimony will resume, we believe in will be two more defense experts called in. cross examing a then state with a are y rebuttal case, then closing arguments

according to judge he believes it will be wednesday. do you know what i love at trial,. this is making erin bla -- aaron bland do a back flip, i love it. everything but them were lying. he said, maggie's sister, is a big fat liar. because she said he lured maggie out to the crime scene. aaron bland who else is a big fat liar according to murdaugh. >> shelly smith lied because he never brought a blue tarp or a blue h hoodie and never told here he was there and blanca was lying. nancy: miss shelly, was the caregiver for his mother. he tried to --

>> miss libby. nancy: intimidate the time he was there, jeff? >> just seeing him on stand and his lies it is disgusting, i am a h husband and father, i would do everything possible to protect my family, to see lie after lie is dis gusting, i'm getting tired of seeing him on the stand, and telling lies, i hope the jury feels that way too, it is obvious to think about the way he brutally killed his family it awful and break nices my heart every time, seeing him on the stand. nancy: when you about what is this really concerning, the death of mage and paul, you are right, leng arkallegedly he still

remains innocent until the jury comes back with a guilty verdict. and emerson was right. they are lying about his shirt that went missing, and . >> and mark tensely. >> absolutely. also at the trial association meeting. he went through an and any of these stories that did not work with where he needed to take it, were -- they are not telling the truth. he is like, he is basically got his moment in this sun on the stand, this is his chance to try to convince the jury and that is all that matters at-this-point, what is going on. he is telling them, don't believe what you hear from them, believe w what you hear from me.

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jurors were thinking so tight. so tonight, alex murdaugh is innocent until proven guguilty. doctor morrone is it possible to have a 50 thousand dollar a week opioid addiction? you may not feel it as much but, desensitizing does not recollude app overdose? >> before being an unreliable historian and a liar, as soon as you add 500 pills every 5 to 10 days the brain is rewired. he doesn't know what he is saying, it is to get through the moment. get the lies through the moment. that is how much he has to take in 6 days. 6 days to get through one he says he has b been addicted too to, nearly

impossible. nancy: the other thing with financial data he stole over 8 million dollars that we know of from clients and his law firm to support this opioid addiction. to you anne emerson, there a point when jurors of physically turning away. there was one point in testimony the prosecutor was tracking his steps on the phone and asked if he was running on a treadmill. >> both of those were happening. one of thing to talk about jury is you know, i do think we hav have -- excellent jury that has been paying attention, you notice body language when a couple may not know wanting to look at him while hig he is talking, what you said, that 4 minutes, when high was doing 3 times faster, it just does not make sense.

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