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question. thisqu is a fantastic book. it is easy to read it walks through your life. things you learn that you done know before.w -- didn'bet know before, why did you write the book.. >> over last few years florida has represented freedom in united states, we've seen that with the number of peoplepl unprecedented number of people that pickedav up their lives from a lot of failing states governed by leftist politics they have come topoli florida they told me howve glad they are to be inow florida. you have seen other states,ri that havdae followed florida,an and done well, others that have not and done fo poor poorly. people say i wish our country would be doing whatt florida is doing, american principles put into actionto with courage and conviction can work, we talk aboutco stufurf we encountered comesork, into office, a lot of issues we t tackled. but then, kinded of with the

dividing lines are in current american society we have the best arguments, for the direction that not an li the -- states d but country. >> this isstat not a p typicalas politicians book, written byitte an american citizen, how yo started and your career andd decisions. there is not gossip inok. there. there is no telltale things in the book, there is not --don' you don't attack in the book. was that intentional. >> i wrote it, most elected officials are not writing their own books, you write yours, it not easy to do, it comes across more authentic because it is me writing this i don't believe in some gossip stuff, if we have a private conversation three years ago i why would i

cogurnregurgitate that and put it out there when you were confiding in he. it is not just from leftest elected officials you have woke ideology taking over, corporate america, our bureaucracy. universities, that in you stand for the right thing, you will have to show courage under fire if you want to bring it in for a landing, we had to do that so many different times, that is something that people will be more interested in than me dishing about private conversations i made have had with someone that people know. mark: you are a conservative? what does that mean it you? >> i think the foundation of it i i is -- understandings american project, our rights come from god not the government. the founders rejected the divine right of kings.

it used to be some people did have rights but a courtesy of the state, we have the god given rights we loan power to the government under a constitution to protect those rights, i think that what we have seen in more modern society is we have seen unmooring of the constitutional foundation, we have an administrative state when is out of control, violates people's freedoms and really been weaponized against faksdz factions of country that ruling class does not like, we need to reconstitutionallize this government, we're facing now, i think is not what founders intended in terms of how government should be operating. mark: these principles are through out this book, my question, you went to yale. you went to harvard law. you grew up very modest means.

you were a great baseball player. but through all, particularly yale and harvard, how did you maintain your principles, feelgtfaith, belief in gods. >> i talk about the book -- i grew up in down den dunnedun, florida, my father from western pennsylvania and my mother north eastern ohio this is like steel country, blue collar salt of the earth. and florida is eclectic. we have a culture that i grew up in but the rust belt values that raise me. i get to yale, his no idea what i was getting into i didn't wasn't colleges were liberal, i was 18 years old, i show up my first day in florida we wear jean shorts and flip flops and t-shirts, i wear, that you have kids from andover, i was a fish

out of water it was a culture shock, i was not a refined conservative in terms of politics i was into sports. but you sit in the classrooms, you one of yale's motto for god, for country for yale in the classroom, they are attacking religion and god and the united states. i never experienced that, growing up in dennedin, i didn't know if people were republican for democrat, you had them both. that was my expressure to the -- expose tour to left are, if was so different from when i thought was a probial i w appropriate, i was not influenced i rebelled other way, i got through college and law school, you know i was set, when i was running for congress, i tell story in

book, i was green, i had never run before, i it an impressive resume, i served in iraq there are thing this conservative primary voters would like, but you see yale and harvard people day liberal ervelg latest. the queliberal elitist. i said, how many people go to washington, look at me, i got through yale and harvard, came out more conservative than when i went in the swamp will have nothing to that, they appreciated that. told myself none of this will fly in the real world. you get out there this is all just pie in the sky. i think that joke on me, i think we see with a lest woa lot of the woke idead on geology, this is a

reflection what of the colleges produced. mark: circle back to that you graduated with honors. from yale. and you do to hor va harvard, same thing but then you go to military, what it was that about? >> i graduated college before 9/11, i remember growing up in '90s cold war was over, we didn't have a care in the world, then 9/11 happened and world changed we were engaged in conflict in afghanistan, pending in iraqi fell that i should sev. we didn't have a draft, i didn't get paid by the navy, to join. my education or anything like that. it was just something i wanted to do. we volunteered to do it. i commissioned while i was at harvard, ended up starting my career down in northeast florida, and did

stents in plac places like iraq, a volunteer for this too, they needed people, i raised my hand, said send me. and i just respected the country so much, i respected people that it served my grandfather was in world war ii, and i just thought it was something i should do. mark: i tell audience this is in this brand-new book this come comes out tuesday, courage to be free. we're in culture war, we didn't start it, i call the marxist left they started it. it is devouring our institutions, our politics, and the private sector. the critical race theory, you have dall of a sudden i feel it is piling on top of us. this is something you as

governor have noticed in classrooms sexual using of little kids, disney -- walt disney has to be rolling in his grave right now with what is happening in disneyland and disney world. you have taken the lead in taking this on as far as governors. tell me about that. what caused you to say, i got to do something about it? >> think about it i got reelected in november 2022, largest vote than any republican governor in florida. 1.5 million votes. make the democratic party in air state's rotten car cu -- carcass on side of street, yet left can still i'm foes theism poi impose their agenda on my

people if i am not keeping an eye on them, i have an understanding that fights are broader than one particular election, you have to fight the woke in halls of government and legislative chambers, we have super majority as republicans in florida. but you also have to be willing to defend your folks against this agenda being shovedde down their throats, you talk about things with young kids and disney, i see that not just through eyes of a governor but eyes of a dad, we have a 6, 4 and 2-year-old at home, we believe as parents, we should be able to send our kids to school, have them watch cartoons without something someone sexual agenda shove down their throat, when the issue came up with with sexualization of curriculum. of course, in florida that is inappropriate. you know, what republican democrat independent parents agree with us.

overwhelmingly. but this was something that left tried to spin up. media tried to spin up. and then disney i think mistakenly got involved. you know, the left was smart to try to pressure disney, for swrirks years 60 years in state of florida, they have gotten every thing they want from state of florida until i became governor, i said no, you are not running the state. wire running the state. we instituted the protect shuprotection for students, but said this company, disney, was granted by state of florida 60 years, ago, it's own government, not just favorable regulations, they control their own government in central florida. and we said, that is not going to work. if a company will go down the road, thinking that should stuff should be if their programming you cannot have a relationship where you are joined at hip with the company, we have taken way their self governing status, making them live

under same laws as everyone else and pay their pair share of taxes and honor debts that is good government what you defend your folks. media attacked me for doing thes di disney stuff. the county that most disney employees live in, a osceola county, we carried it by 7 points. >> the book, the courage to be free by governor desantis, flood a blueprint for america's revival. we're covering some of the issues. you can get it now amazon to th.comer to any bookstore starting tuesday. i would do it. we'll be quite back. right back. oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you

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mark: welcome back america, governor ron desantis, the question is when you take on the culture wars, on the wokism, and take on the hard left, seeping into our school systems and seeping into disney, which florida has subsidized for decades as you point out. there is some republicans who think you should just roll over, they say that's

small government conservatism. >> think about that, our k-12 schools are public institutions. that are funded by our tax payers. and so that line o line of thinking sayings people that are elected to direct them, havee no no right to get involved inhe the left is pursuing thean agenda. we have winner election, we still lose on the different things? that is untenable.l lo they are public institutions, they have to reflect the mission that the state of florida has in ourat case not just k-12 but higher education as well, we're now going to reoriented universities away from kind of modern idea at of a university has beena impose a certain ideological, world view, use it for social activism. that not appropriate use of a university, it is the t pursuit ofhe truth.

academic rigor, giving students foundation tong for themselves -- to think for themselves and is thes of aci republic, we're setting in florida reforms all tenure preferses have to undergo review every 5 years, they can be let go. we pointed search conservative board members to a small public liberal art schools we fund, nowfund college and sara so the -- sare on -- sare. >> we're getting the idea ol. >> i out. we have every night to right to do it, some people think you have a right t operate in a university and do whatever you want andyo have taxpayers fund any delusion you may have.and that is not an appropriate way to conceive of government, we're really making sure that these enstutions are accountable to voters that put us in:

was. mark: i hear you say free speech, academic freedom. these are the principles you are supports.pr yoinu get professors who are tenured. not a mistake, that the 19 60s bomb throwers are tenured professors. they knew how to devour the institutions. now, took on college board, which was trying to imposese c critical race theory among other things. throughout the nation, you said, not in my state. we want merit, the highest possible academic achievement. and then you were attackedat by people who purposely y twisted what you were w saying. that youhat yo oppose allowing people to learn about african-american history. >> sure, florida our standard require teaching all aspects of black history

and we think it is his important. we also whether we ban critical race theory, we were right to do, we also required in the same bill that schools have stories of inspiration about greatfl floridiansor and great v americans from a variety of different backgrounds, want students to be inspired they can do well in florida. you know as they get old, critical race theory saying n that some are oppressors and some are repressed, what kind of message is that for the young kids? we require that with t standards college board was trying to impose critical race theory, and impose in a black study course qure ueer theory and neomarxism, the question is, that is something you want to do on your own time, you are free to pursue, that but for our tax payers, to support that type of indoctrination is

not something we want to do, we were only state to publicly oppose that, i guarantee we were not onlye no state with a problem with it. i think when do you that, they misrepresent you, they will call you names, and demagogue like the leftke likes s to do, but we cannotke t allow the demagoguery of the left to veto our behavior and our actions if you stand for the right thing you do it in face of that. but i think your storyr ac in florida shows, the media has spasms with us every other day, if you firm in your convictions, tell peopletell where you stand, the truth does win out, people realize that game now, they understand what goes on. and they can see through it,er t i think better than they have been able to do. mark: immigration. you have take taken on the e issues because they affect our state in kate of

immigration -- in the case of immigration, you decided we have sanctuary cities anditie sanctuary states, we have mayers and governors proudlyuary announcing they are. let meates test it. you sept sent a supple hundred illegal aliens to martha's vineyard, and thelows roof blows off the liberall temple. what do you say to those in the liberal temple aboutle that? >> you have a situation wherne the people advocatingfo for open borders never had toto face the consequences of open borders. is this just virtue signalsg or is itth something theyan really believe it the pproof was in the pudding, only 50 showed up at martha's vineyard, they advertise, they have a office in town square that

has a sign that says dep welcome. nex and they were deported off thei yr island the next day, it shows liberal elite they want to impose burdens on people they don't like. they don't want to have to share in any of those burdens, but think about what happened, you have the mayor of new york city, having to go down to the south were border because there is an effort to makeuary sure that su sanctuary cities were feeling what was going on. i would rather than justul secure the border and stoponse the nonsense but they wantopen the open border, we deal with it in florida in our keys. they will have boats fromr haitcui or cuba. and the coast guard is great to work with, bou --st

biden will notat give them adequate resources. we're working coast guard, we have caused a the number o cf boats to go down dramatically, this is a big mission that cost a lot of money, bou but -- b. >> biden has basically invited a lot of the problems that we see. >> why to you think he did that. >> it wa enfs enforcing a r border san jose it is unjustciti and racist, they conservative themselves global is citizens not as much american it is at post modern leftest mentality. e that animates the activist base of democrat party, i don't thin mk that even average blue collar democratll wants open borders, the open borders is very unpopular, but biden administration

they are captive to that left wing on-line activist base. i think they pursue policies to try to please them, some of the reason why the left wanted to do it because they became open border advocaten in op s opposition to the trump administration, just a way to show they hated thmie guniy in power, i don't know it was necessarily well thought out, but result has been we have more drugs coming in than we have had overth 100,000 overdose deaths not all of those of fentanyl but a lot are, we have criminal aliens coming in, 90 people t on terrorist watch lists theha last fiscal year, that is just what they know, i think it has been a dissister and humiliating for the country, we can't remain in controll of of our own territorial integrity, china flying a balloon across u.s., and it is a very feckless o administration. mark: book it, "the courage to be free: florida's

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amazon.com.ro yon u folks who watched show over years, i don't playblue gotcha with guests, i don't play games.s i am not andrea mitchell or jim acosta. my goa be,l is to have the guest, governor, be treatedr. with respect. and for him to a torn explain his story anord why he is the governor of florida, what here wants to do for the country, which brings to us media. you don't have many interviews like this, you have people trying to cherry pick your phrases, take shots at you, andrewa mitchell the other day. talking about how you didn't want african-american historouney taught, that is a lie. shy gives a phony apologya later, but this is media today, is it not? corporate press has always had a liberal bias, you remember president reagan, he could beat them, they

could not touch him, they tried. but you have they are motivated by left but detached from facts, it all about the narrative. whatever the narrative they can spin, they know a lot of bogus, by the time we debunk it some people will probably have believed it, if they could get that first shot out, yes, the next day, day after that people realize they were not right, but you know 10% believed it they think that damage has been done. i think it is lowest common denominate or. denominator. the bli flip side is when they attack me, our voters view that as confirmation that i'm doing a good job. they would not becoming after him the way they did, during covid everything that we did protecting people's jobs and schools, i remember

we said kids need to be in school, first state saying 100% of schools have to be open, they came after me with reckless abandon, the parents were with me. we were doing right thing, i think they are in position, corporate press conservative half of nation does not believe anything they say any more. but some of their attacks are so outlandish and so bogus some, people who may not reject them out of hand realize more and more they are not shooting straight with them. mark: y2 i don't think that new york is times and "washington posts" and tv networks have up flew know they used to or viewership. they ven to representation they used to, they keep digging in. do you think it is because as long as they have -- almost like having a base in a political party, as long as they have their base this good enough. >> i think it is, the way that newspapers change you need the on-line subscribers, if you are tes

arety o deviating from what they want to hear you can lose the subscribers. i talk about we new media would go after he, i get elected by 32,000 votes. i come in, my view was, i may have won 50% of vote but i have 100% of executive power, i will utes i use it and be bold, part was to be on offense. if you are not on offense, you are a sitting duck you let the them come and take pot shots at you, we came out of the gate we were off to the races, it hard to keep up with you, when you are always doing new things and leading on different issues we have kept that pace going, throughout my tenure as governor and people see out there they see you are active, but it

makes it more difficult for thnarratives to take hold. mark: you address this at len iledge at book. -- length in the back. i think a profound point. if you are not on offense if thin the game you are defense onal rous ways responding is that your advice in. >> absolutely, it is different if you a member of congress, easier for an executive to be on offense, one thing i did, i compiled all constitutional authorities, governor had at story authorities, i knew what i could do by myself and what is my relationship with the local government officials, i removed bad officials employee understood that you have an agenda to passed or stick,

you don't just say i want it and it happens you have to get it through the expheks planchecks and balances, other thing to give, i decided no polls, i don't do polls, you and i could go out and poll a group of 100 people, that is just the static analysis of how they respond to a certain question. if i phrase the question differently, probably a different response, i don't need to know the static view, i need to know, if i set out a vision, and e execute that vision and produce favorable results then will they be with me, as a leader don't be captive to public opinion, shape public opinion, i think we have proven to do that. final thing that is important, when you are in government there there is a lot of negative influences, if you are here working for

us we have 22 million people that we're fighting for, if your desire to to anything other than serve those people, you are gone. no leaking, none of your own agenda. and we laid that down early, from the time we did that, i didn't have a single leak in administration for 4 years, i ran highest profile government more reelection campaign, not one leak from my campaign apparatus, that is how you know you have people committed to mission, i want them to serve the people, and have act after have success afterwards. mark: your battle with the medical, federal bureaucracy. in washington, d.c. how you decided to take that on. what expertise that you use to take them on. that you decided to follow aus opposed to some advise they were giving.

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mark: welcome back america. you will really like this book, an easy read, full of very interesting information. you can get it at amazon.com right now, governor desantis our battle over covid-19 with fauci with the bureaucracy with the biden administration. the threats. i remember i took the vaccine, condition remember some one, got the booster then i got covid. i said all right enough, but i was in florida. you had 24 sites set up. >> the. >> >> i went there immediately. i got it. it was sophi over in tw 24

hours, i hear from washington it is not proven, i am the best gi guinea pig is worked. then they cut off your supply. >> this exposed the rot in medical establishment and our elite medical bureaucracy they say -- month clonal antibods were not prove en, th en, they will push an mrna shot on six-month-old babies with almost alec baldwin m alea almost no data. i would have respected cdc and nih, maybe because i didn't deal with them enough. i figured they were medical people, they would be good, they embraced lockdowns, it was clear it didn't work,

they college to th clung to that and embraces school closures, they wanted to enforce the masks, they won't admit they are wrong, and remember, when you have george floyd protests, you had public health establishment yelling at people on flood for bei florida being on their boat or playing golf, they didn't want you to live the house, then you have people protesting police, public health establishment signs a letter saying we don't want you protesting covid restrictions, stay home, but if you do this, that is okay, that is when you knew it was a bunch of politics it was a fraud. and so we had to fight those folks, from april of 2020 we chartered our own courts, we were right, a governor is

right having treatments when they say not to do the treatments, i should not have had to do these treatments, they should have been add vo advocating to treat team, they want to control your behavior. and that is why they would want vaccine mandates even when it was apparent, it was about the control, they wanted to exercise power over others, you look at the entrenched bureaucrats, they need to be cleaned out, they failed, they are not a v -- advocates for best interest of people. this has been a disast sne disaster. >> it is hard to remove them . >> there is a proposal that i think a lest us wanted to see -- a lot of us wanted to see for a schedule f, anyone with any policy role, is

classified as schedule f . they can be removed by the president. ththe left would litigate that but i think we would win on this in supreme court, one thing to have a job rule or the bowels of bureaucracy. but president of united states has article ii power. who controls the executive branch, the elected president or is it some pure create in the bows of the bureaucracy that can't be fired, i think that push needs to come to shove, but whoever get majority of electoral college has right to impose their agenda through the executive branch, they did with president trump, they tried to nullify the election. with the collusion hoax, we constitutionalizing government starts with reconstitutionallizing the

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mark: welcome back america, we're here with governor ron desantis of florida, book is "the courage to be free: florida's blueprint for america's revival." you can get it on amazon.com

right now. if you order it, you can get it i tomorrow. governor post constitutional america is that where we are? >> i think so unfortunately, that has been invited by behavei behavei behavior of congress, in florida we had an issue we have a group that was doing a domestic violence mission with massive fraud, legislature came in next week, and zeroed that out, we held them accountable through the budget, they don't doe that in washington, you have so much pow they're secto -- power that is being exercised in way they that is not beneficial at to voters. you have power exercised by the nongovernment institutions, corporations doing things like esg, they are utilizing public power,

if "wall street journal" banks will not give a loan to someone say in firearm industry, that is changing the go up rights in america. -- gun rights in america, they are not getting votes to do that or winning election, but they bring power to bear in a way that affects public policy. i think you have to electric at how the governmenting become unmoored from constitutional accountability and look at the other institutions that are exercising effectively public power. mark: you have social media platforms working with fbi, biden administration, you have a justice department that is targeting parents, and targeting pro-life individuals and a former president, republican members of congress, and republican state legislators, this concern you? >> absolutely. think about what the federal law enforcement doj, they

are enforcing the desires of one faction of our country against the factions they don't like. that is not how you have equal justice under the law, a lot of other stuff that we've seen of biden administration has been equally problematic, but, when reagan came in he talked about how government was the problem it was a clumsy government, not saying there was no corruption, but it has been weaponized in a way that is more dangerous today than 40 years ago. mark: you have suggested maybe some of the government needs to be premoved from washington d.c. and spread. >> i think if you look. dc votes 95 vehic 95 -- there is an accumulation of group think. if you took like one of these divisions and you put them in arkansas or on the pacific coast, i think that would be better, it has

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mark: welcome back america. governor, fantastic book. "the courage to be free: florida's blueprint for america's revival." i am to encourage you folks to get it on amazon. >> i think we show in the book, there is a lot of frustration with the country. we have lost our mojo in a lot of different respects, not just over last new years but last maybe decade or more. but i think what florida shows is you could stand for the right things, and take on a lot of the elites that are doing damage to our society, and you can win,

there is a better way, there is a better way that people in states can be successful and they way that united states can be successful once again. mark: been a great pleasure. >> thank you for having me, appreciate it. mark: it is a great book. "the courage to be free: florida's blueprint for america's revival." see you next time on "life, liberty an ♪ "the wall street journal" of reporting today joining the fbi in their assessment has now concluded a lab leak is the most likely origin of the global pandemic based on new intelligence reports with the national laboratory which is a part of the department of energ energy. good evening everyone welcome to the home of "the next revolution" we were the first to lay all of this out over two years ag