nancy: guys we'll all be back here in about 10 hours for testimony, to resume. we will be live at "fox nation," joining you as we wait for the -- join us as we wait for justice to unfolded. shannon: shannon bream. the first republican debate is officially teed up for mull withdraw chi in -- milwaukee in august. three notable candidates are in the race, who else is about to take the leap? >> i'm thrilled to be back in this beautiful state. >> thank you very much. >> it's a great day in south carolina! [cheers and applause] >> hello, iowa! [cheers and applause] shannon: senator tim scott tests the water after chatter he may be the next republican to jump in and challenge donald trump for the white house. the south carolina republican joins us to discuss his political aspirations and his

faith in america tour. senator tim scott only on "fox news sunday." and concerns mount as china appears to grow closer to russia. >> clearly, that would have a very, very bad ramifications. shannon: now china is calling for an into the conflict in ukraine amid reports beijing is aiding putin's war efforts. we'll sit down with senator ben card, a member of the -- ben cardin on heightened tensions and putin's vow to suspend participation in a key nuclear arms agreement. then, the forewoman of the special grand jury investigating trump's actions in georgia after 2020 goes on a media blitz9, hinting about indictments. >> there are certainly names that you'd recognize. shannon: we'll ask our sunday panel whether her actions could undermine the credibility of the prosecution's case. plus, a look inside the sketchbook of the courtroom artist who takes you inside the nation's biggest cases all right

now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ hello from foxx news in washington. -- fox news in washington. we are still about a year out before seeing voters head to the polls in the 2024 primaries, but several refrain palin candidaten candidates have already declared. many high profile names are making high profile trips to early primary and caucus states. many in a moment, we will speak live with republican senator tim scott of south carolina who is the subject of recent speculation fresh out of iowa. but first, a look at his recent travels to that all-important state. >> as i hear more from the constituents here in in and around the country, it will give me more information on what to do next. shannon: tim scott's travels in iowa have the feel of a campaign minus the official announcement. >> for america to be at our

best, we have to work together. shannon: his faith in america tour is the latest moment in a fast rise from a single-parent home to congressman, to senator. >> i would like to introduce to you our senate-elect tim scott. >> thank you. [applause] shannon: as the senate's only black republican, scott has worked for bipartisan consensus on tough issues. >> i take the issue of policing in america seriously. i want our body to see it not as an issue of republicans versus democrats, but as good people standing in the gap elected to do a job that we all ran to do. shannon: today scott is sharing his story of growing up poor, inspired by his mother. >> my mom said we can be victims or victors. she chose victorious. shannon: he's focused on the positive, but he's taking shots

at president biden. >> i understand that president biden lives in the past because he's been in washington for 50 years. shannon: he's drawn serious 2024 speculation but is now on the spot to the make the case for himself. >> what are the differences in terms of policy positions that, for example, you may have with president trump? >> probably not very many at all. shannon: joining us now to discuss his potential white house run, south carolina senator tim scott. senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> morning, shannon. i hope you're doing welch. shannon: i am. hope you are as well. i'm sure you're a little bit jet lagged because you spent some time in iowa, you've been testing a message there. do you now see a lane for you in the 2024 gop primary. >> more important hand a lane for me is do we have a lane for young kids growing up in single-parent households like i did looking at moms, single mothers who are working 16 hours a day like my mom did.

can we make sure that the lane to the american dream is wide open for them. i spent the day with governor reynolds who just passed monumental school choice reform, a powerful tool to make sure that parents have the choice and kids have a chance. so my focus is still on the mission of making sure that every single american believes that the american dream is achievable for them. shannon: so you talk with an optimistic message. we talked about how you are highlighting faith not only in the religious sense, but that you want americans to have faith in each other. >> yes. shannon: i want to put up a recent fox news poll about how americans people. they say we are a dysfunctional family, 8 is % of them. is it -- 81% of them. is it realistic that you or any politician can get people back to a place where there isn't so much division? >> there's no doubt, shannon, when you look at that poll, that's one of the reasons why i think it's really important to have an authentic, sin sere conversation about the goodness

of america. in today's society, the progressive left is trying to make america into a grievance culture when, in fact, we've always stood on the foundation of greatness. our original sin shouldn't ever define us because the story of redemption is what we've been living for more than 50 plus years. the greatest story of progress in the world is american progress in the last 50 years. i wish we'd spend more time talking about the goodness of this nation and stop the cancel culture. shannon: okay. let's talk about this positive message and in talking about things like cancel culture, will it work? "the new york times" this: both those assets could prove to be a liability in today's republican primary environment where voters rail existence what they see as unfair favoritism and where activists may be more interested in anger than optimism. everybody says they hating negative ads, they don't like the political sniping, but the numbers show us they actually

work, so will this optimistic message work in. >> well, certainly, i think it's always worked. america is a country founded on the concept of hope. think about it this way, a world without america is a very dark place. america without face is a nation without hope. so we definitely is have to continue to work on the foundation that we have stood upon for the last 250 plus years, but in addition to that we have to be able to contrast between why we are a great country and why the left wants us to talk about grievance. the fact is that the left is trying to sell a drug of victim hood, and the narcotic of despair. the truth is that we have so much to celebrate and yet odd the in -- today in many parts of the country you feel like you're in quick sand. we should not allow the zip code of a child to determine the quality of their life because education is the most powerful tool to equalize opportunity in this nation. but there are poor zip codes where that that's not possible. we have to do something about that as one american family and,

frankly, governors like kim reynolds and others are starting to take that responsibility and prove that we as the gop, the great opportunity party, we love america, we love our kids and, frankly, we are the best hope for a united future. shannon: okay. a couple of other things about your trip through iowa. >> yes, ma'am. shannon: not everybody thought your message was uplifting including this reporter: it's the hard to recall a more stridently -- that believes the route to national unity requires the subjugation of one party to the other. it was a relentlessly partisan screed accusing joe biden and the left of pursuing a blueprint for ruining america. how does that square with the message of us having faith in each other as americans? >> well, shannon, that's a great question. once again, it goes back to the contrast that's necessary. i'm a hopeful guy not because i

didn't overcome problems. i had a miserable beginning. growing up mired in poverty, the challenges that i faced from self-esteem to low grades were monumental. i overcame those challenges with grit, hard work and inspiration. and so the truth is the left today, it seems to be working on a blueprint on how to ruin america. if you wanted to ruin america, you would print and spend trillions of dollars leading to the highest inflation we've seen in 40 years. why is that negative to point out the fact that under joe biden's leadership we've had the highest inflation in 40 years? why is it negative to point out that we've had 4.5 million people cross our southern border illegally? why is it negative to point out the fact that we've had 100,000 deaths to overdoses linked to fentanyl, thousands upon thousands of those deaths? if we don't understand the state of america and the weakness of

the progressive movement, then it's impossible for us to offer positive, optimistic solutions to the challenges that we face because of the progressive wing of the democrat party. shannon: you touch there, and you do often, about your personal story. it's very inspiring and compelling to people whether they support you or not. but even your supporters say there has to be more. an opinion piece very favorable to you says you're a talented candidate finding your theme, but you have to be careful not to substitute first-person narrative for an argument about why he is the right person to lead the country. so if you get in, what is the argument for you policy wise versus president trump or anybody else who gets into this field? how are you different or better than the other options? >> well, shannon, one of the things i love to take time to talk about, and i hope we have about 30 minutes left to have this conversation -- [laughter] shannon: slightly less. >> is the policy -- [laughter] okay, sounds good. the policy positions i've taken. and one of the most important parts of being in the majority was the opportunity we had with

the tax cut and jobs act. i had the good fortune to be the lead sponsor of the tcja on the personal side of the tax code. so i had the opportunity to help write that specific legislation, and we lored taxes for a -- lowered taxes for a single mom by 70%. we promised to put more than $4,000 back in the average family's pocket, we ended up around $ -- 4,400. we lowered the unemployment level for african-americans and asians to the lowest in the country and the lowest level since world war ii for women. we actually saw more money come to the treasury with lower taxes than anyone imagined, and at the exact same time, wages grew at the bottom faster than at the top. i created opportunity zones. my signature legislation that has seen more than $50 billion attack poverty in the hardest hit areas of the country. at the same time, i've focused

on education. i started the school choice caucus. we led to the highest level of funding for hbcus in the history of the country, and then we made it permanent. i led on the vast majority of those pieces of legislation. i've worked on police reform where we want to make sure that the best wear the badge, that the officers have the best resources, the best training, and we never if question their qualified immunity. we have to stand in the gap when it matters the most. that means leading from the front and not from the back. shannon: i want to make sure quickly, if we can, because i want to get to a couple of issues. school choice, a special education add advocate said what you cois end up hurting public schools when you let parents take the money elsewhere. the same amount of money spread out over more schools, only the best would survive. if a public school has to compete, it will find a way to become better, but she asks how can you improve if you take even more money from them? it's just not possible.

your response. >> certainly. look at success academy in new york city where you see their population's about 87% minority, and yet their schools are in the top in the state of new york. what we've seen very consistently, charter schools get about half the money as public schools, yet they are public charter schools that provide choice for the parents and better quality education. out of the top 25% of high schools in the nation, more than about 12 or half of those are charter schools. so what we're seeing around the country is the success of some form of school choice. and, by the way, i don't care whether it's a public school, private school, charter school, s.t.e.m. school, a home school, a virtual school. i want every child in every zip code to have quality education. that should improve all aspects of education, not reduce funding. shannon: okay. i asked ambassador haley about this last week. this article that says the gop, essentially, you and ambassador haley give the gop cover on

issues of race. scott's message is that racism is not an institutional or systemic problem, but an individual failing. that's precisely what conservatives want to hear so they can say, well, i'm not a racist, which means we don't have to do much of anything about racism. >> the only worry can think of is hogwash. i was in austin on friday having a conversation with several hundred goper, and we talked specifically about how the jim crow south impacted my family specifically. my grandfather made the choice to be stubborn in his faith, his faith in the future, faith in himself and faith in this nation. but we had to overcome those challenges. what i don't like is when we hear president biden talk about jim crow 2.0 when my family lived through jim crow. and that's when you had to figure out the number of jelly beans in a jar in order to cast a ballot. to suggest that the current georgia election laws are consistent with jim crow, it's just a lie.

and so what we have to do is make sure that we arm our people today with the challenges of today and not pretend like we're living in 1923 as opposed to 2023. shannon: all right. we have to go, senator, but do you have a timeline for making the announcement or a decision in. >> well, i'm going -- i made the decision to go to church at # 1:30 today. shannon: i will be following you after the show as well. when you decide about your political future, please let us know. >> yes, ma'am. have a great day. shannon: up next, the war in ukraine passes the one-year mark amid growing concerns about shortages of equipment in the u.s. and beyond. democrat senator ben c a must in your medicine cabinet! less sick days! cold coming on? zicam is the number one cold shortening brand! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam. zinc that cold!

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muck. shannon: china wants the world to view it as a peacemaker, now calling for a ceasefire tween russia and ukraine, but the move is prompting skepticism in the west amid reports beijing is considering providing russia with military assistance. joining me now, maryland democrat senator ben cardin, welcome back to "fox news sunday. ". >> good to be with you. thank you, shannon. shannon: and you're fresh back from europe where you sat down with leaders to have conversations about where you go next. >> absolutely. we were in vienna, meetings of the organization for security and cooperation in europe's assembly. we met with many delegations including ukrainians were in the city, not in the venue hall because of the russian presence, but we had an opportunity to support unity in support of ukraine to make it clear this is russia's war of aggression. shannon: let's talk about the role of china here, because both the ukrainian president and russian president have said they plan to or they're going to meet with president xi, so china is

right in the middle of this whole thing. we've got a brand new fox news poll that shows 68% of americans think china is a major threat to the u.s. add in another 26% that say there's some threats, 94% of americans don't trust china. what do you make of their growing role in the middle of this russian/ukrainian conflict? >> i'm with the 94%. they're encouraging this war by working with russia now perhaps providing additional weapons for russians to pursue this war of aggression. this is an attack of the sovereignty of a democratic state. there's no question that ukraine's the front line. russia will not stop there, and china's assisting that, so china is a major threat against the united states. shannon: to that point about potentially sending over lethal aid, "the washington post" reports that if china does move forward, be the first time that beijing's done that in this conflict despite repeated warnings by the united states not to provide such support. it doesn't sound like they're

very afraid of our warnings. >> well, china needs to know there'll be consequences, so we've isolated russia economyically, we can do the same thing in regards to sanctions against china. china needs to understand that they need to be on the right side of history here, and an attack on the sovereignty of an independent state the, what russia has done is a war of aggression, and china should be with us. the overwhelming majority of the world speak out, the vote in the united nations security council, general assembly indicated the wide understanding of who's responsible for this war. china sat on the sidelines on that vote. that was wrong. but clearly, they should be on the right side of history. shannon: so china was among the 32 that abstain thed, they didn't want to vote on the measure that said the russian invasion was wrong and it has to stop. secretary blinken will visit three countries that also ab sane thed. so what should his message be to them? >> you can't sit on the sidelines. you've got to pick a side here. one side is right and one side is wrong. russia's wrong. so if you're assisting russia,

your assisting an aggressor who is trying dog invade the sovereign i of -- trying to invade the sovereignty of an independent statement, and your country could be next. so join us in standing up against this attack on sovereign i. shannon: i want to put up brand new polling we got, a measure of president biden's job performance on a number of things. the top four, russia-ukraine, the chinese spy balloon, national security, foreign policy, he's upside down in all of that. so americans think that the president is failing on these foreign policy fronts. and a majority of democrats who are primary voters, when asked about whether they want him to run again, 53% say they want to see someone else. where do you stand on that? should he run again? >> i think president biden has shown not only global leadership for the united states, i saw that at this meeting where u.s. and president biden were so respected, his visit to kyiv, his address in warsaw, it really united the free world. and domestically, i think the ability to pass a major agren

general da -- agenda during the first two years shows he knows how to rebuild our infrastructure, deal with the chips and science bill to take on china's international competitor, to deal with climate change. i think his leadership has been very valuable for our country, and i think he will be shown historically to have been a very effective president. shannon: why do you think the polls don't reflect that? because the numbers get worse when you get into things like immigration, inflation, the economy. people increasingly thinking this president is not getting the job done. >> i think the challenges a typical american family has high, there's high prices. you have to deal with that. the reality that it's difficult to make ends meet. i think president biden understands that. he's clearly addressed inflation. we've reduced inflation in this country. but i think it's difficult today for a family, and that's reflected in some of the popular polls. shannon: it is. okay, so let's go -- i want to visit more of the foreign policy stuff because we're a year into the now, and we're now hearing increasing concerns about inventory, what we and others

around the world can provide in ukraine. the army secretary said this week it could be 2024 or 2025 the by the tanks we've pledged can actually get there. the center for strategic and international studies says six critical u.s. systems -- missiles, ammunition, those kinds of things, artillery -- are getting deplea pleated. -- depleted. inventory replenishment will become an increasingly pressing problem. and hen the secretary general of nato said this on thursday: >> the consumption of artillery shells, it's higher than our production. so far we have depleted our stocks, but this is not sustainable. shannon: so how do we deal with the reality that the u.s. and other, you know, or western nations who are trying to help ukraine are running short on military supplies, we don't have a good plan for replenishing them and how vulnerable will that leave us if we end up in another conflict somewhere else? >> let me tell you, russia's

depleting its supplies. it's having a challenge supplying their troops with the necessary equipment to pursue this war of aggression. we clearly have been extremely helpful to the ukraine. they've acknowledged that it's not just the united states, it's really been our coalition. yes, we need to make more sophisticated equipment available. need to bring this war to an end with ukraine's victory, and that means supplying them with the equipment they need to successfully defend their sovereignty. it's going to be a challenge, make no mistake about it. we've had coordination on the supply chains, and we've been very effective in supplying it. there's a limit as to the what the ukrainians can use, but we have to make sure they have everything they need. shannon: what about our impact of being able to replenish that inventory that we talked about? this report talked about how many years it would take the us to catch up if this conflict, unfortunately, nobody sees the end in sight or the finish line. where does that leave us vulnerable to other places in a world where we may get drawn into conflict? >> we have what we need to defend ourselves, and we're

continuing to replenish. we're not going to go below a critical level, how make no mistake, our national security's on the front line in ukraine today it's in the united states' interest to the make sure that ukraine wins this war. so our investments here are to help us defend our own country. shannon: there are those among your colleagues that are calling for more articulation from the white house about where our commitments begin and end there. mike lee, republican senator, tweeted this out this week: after spending $113 billion to ukraine in 2022, why should the even consider sending more money until every nato member has begun spending at least 2% of its gdp on defense and has spent at least as much on ukraine aid as the u.s. did in 2022? does he have a point? >> we do believe that every nato country should spend 2% on defense, and we have a game plan to make that a reality, and we've seen tremendous progress among our nato allies. we need to expand nato to

include sweden and finland. we're in the process of doing that. we want our european allies to do their fair share, and they are moving in the right direction. but make no mistake about it, ukraine needs our help now. we have to supply the help now. because it's a critical moment in the battle. we don't want this to be a long campaign. we want to win as quickly as possible. we want to help ukraine achieve those objectives. shannon: andy mccarthy, colleague here at fox, wrote a piece and talked about how far we're willing to go. do we do it for three years, five years, eight years? and if we're going to do that, we have to decide what we cut domestically. as you know, we've already hit the debt ceiling, you guys are going to have some tough votes. or does it mean that this bill just goes to our children and grandchildren? how do we balance those? >> it's a great question. we have to deal with the budget realities, and we have to come together, democrats and republicans. as you know, the house is controlled by republicans, the senate by democrats. we've got to come together with

a budget plan for our country. national security has to be a priority. the amount of resources we're putting into ukraine will come back to benefit us in the long run. so we really need to make sure they have everything they need to win this campaign. that's the immediate issue, is to make sure ukraine wins this war. we also have to make sure that we stay strong our national defense and our domestic priorities are also funded and do it in a responsible way that does the not add to the deficit of this country recognizingst the not there for our children and grandchildren. shannon: we wish all of you on capitol hill good luck with figuring that out. senator, thanks for coming in. up next, we will talk 2024, share our brand new fox news polls just out this hour. we'll bring in our sunday group for a looked at where republican voters stand when it comes to the big names in their party, next. ♪ ♪ look! oh my god... oh wow. i want my daughter riley to know about her ancestors and how important it is to know who you are and to know where you came from.

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♪ shannon: we've got brand flu fox news -- new fox news polls this morning, and we have a deep dive into which names voters want to see on the ballot. right now 43% of rerepublican primary voters chose donald trump as their preferred nominee followed by ron desantis with 28%, nikki haley and mike pence each at 7%. texas governor greg abbott and former congresswoman liz cheney getting 2%, all others getting 1% or less. meanwhile, on the democratic side 53% of primary voters would like to see someone other than

biden run, but 37% do want to see the president back on the ticket. let's run the numbers with our sunday group, beverly hallberg, axiom advantage thes' cofounder and ceo jeff roe, mo e list think and senior politics reporter josh -- welcome, everybody. >> morning. shannon: okay, so we want to put that back up. the gop poll. one of them you heard from a short time ago, tim scott. does it make sense for him to get in. >> sure, absolutely, he should get in. he's a great voice for the republican party. he's been a great senator. but the reality is this is a two -person race between donald trump and ron desantis. nearly 75% of the voters have chosen between those two. we've not seen that from a governor or even, frankly, a senator, have that kind of strength this early in a presidential primary -- primary. so the reality is this will be a very small field. a lot of people are talking about a crazy barroom brawl. i think it's going to be a small field because the money's not there. the debate stage rules will keep

it very limited, you have to have a donor threshold, national polling, and there's simply no room for a third, fourth if or even fifth person in this race. shannon: beverly, is it a waste of time? are they running for vp? what are they doing? >> i think they're running for name identity whether for vp or other purposes as well. even when donald trump ran initially for president, it does great things for people's businesses, etc. but i think what we're going to be looking for is how long people stay in. so i agree, it's going to be the two-person race between desantis and trump more than likely, but if people are for anybody but trump on the republican side, the more crowded the field, the hardest rer it's going to be to defeat him in the primary. depends on whether republicans are going to coalesce together. shannon: josh, we're talking about ron desantis. the governor's not in the race yet. >> he's not in the race and, boy, that number for donald trump, 43% of the republican vote, it is significant. and you underestimate, every republican would underestimate

donald trump at their own risk. he's quietly had a pretty good political month in terms of doing some of these retail events in south carolina that he didn't do a whole lot during the 2020 campaign. his trip to east palestine, ohio, ahead of pete buttigieg, going to mcdonald's. he's shown sort of a common touch that he had trouble with, frankly, when he was president and running for re-election. so these numbers show that the trump is still formidable within the republican party, and i agree with jeff, ron desantis, if he does get in, is going to be the other big elephant in the room. but, boy, like trump -- you're not hearing a lot of republicans going after trump. their going after desantis or trying to figure out where they stand in the party, and i think they do that at their own peril because trump is still very, very popular. shannon: whether different to or a better option, they don't want to go correctly, and the poll shows a good reason why. the other poll, how much money do you have in your pocket versus last year. here are the numbers. more, 12%. good for those folks.

same, 31%, less, 57%. and that is, i mean, a huge jump from, if you look back to february 2018, just a couple years ago under the trump presidency, moe, that may be part of the reason people say they aren't excited for a president biden repeat. >> yeah, look, i think the economy is as good as people think it is, right? san han perception. >> public perception really matters. the president has a really compelling argument to make about how the economy has gotten stronger under him. but people haven't felt it, and there's a simple rule in political communications, you can't go out and tell people that they're wrong about how they feel. so so even though he can and he should continue to go out there and make the case about why the economy is stronger and how it's getting better, the next part is the moat important part. this is when -- can most important part. we're getting better but not enough people are feeling it. and here's what we're going to do next. that has to be what this president talks about every

single day for the next two years. and i think he's well positioned to do it, and i think the way this republican field is shaping up actually gives him even more room to do it. because if the republican field is out there talking about how woke the left is and the president is out there saying economy's getting stronger but not enough people are feeling it and here's how we're going to make sure you co, that's a contrast -- you co, that's a contrast democrats would like like to have. shannon: because anybody think president biden chooses not to runsome. >> no. shannon: it's just a matter of time? >> yes. shannon: okay. this is a crowded picture, but we want to let you see. i talked about this with senator cardin, the top four are all foreign policy, he's upside down. the numbers only get worse when you get into opioids, guns, inflation, the economy. inflation, he's down by concern can the i'm not great at math -- 35 points, i think. [laughter] beverly, what does he do with that? how does he turn around those

perceptions? like mo said, perception's reality for people. >> we'll talk about how good the economy is, but yet when people go to the grocery store even if they can afford it, they're looking at what eggs cost, what gas costs, and that has gone down a bit, but people are seeing those numbers in realtime. he can say things are great, but if people are seeing something different, it's not going to resonate. i think he would do better if we actually acknowledged the pain people are feeling, talking about what he's trying to do to lower that, i think that'd be a better message for him. shannon: we have this potential third party branch, i don't know, but we're talking about senator joe manchin. he had a radio interview this week, "the hill" reports on it this way: when pressed further on whether he has dethe fintively ruled out a bid for the presidency, manchin said, i don't know. manchin responded, that's fair when radio host said he thinks the senator is still considering running for the presidency. does he run an a democrat.

>> as a third party spoiler? >> that sounds like he's not running for re-election, is what that sounds like. i have a better chance of winning south carolina than joe pan chin does against -- man din does against joe -- manchin does with joe biden. if it's anyone besides trump, it's a real problem because trump provides the base motivation for democrats. that's what took us from a historical 125 million-vote turn out to 150 last time. and so i think that's their hope, that they get the rematch that they want and the rest of the country really isn't looking for. shannon: well, and, mo, president trump has not committed to supporting the gop nominee if it's not him. so there's also this she their scenario -- the scenario for the gop that he decides to run as a third party. >> yeah, look, there's many republicans who sweat donald trump as there are do democrats who sweat donald trump. i think he is a walking grenade in any room of politics, right? you never know when he goes off and what it does.

but i'll say this, i don't know what happens in 2024 because i think there are a lot of questions out there about what each candidate does. ron desantis looks super strong. ron desantis has never been tested on a national stage. he could get on a national debate stage -- remember, at this point in 2016, in 0 the 15, i guess, jeb bush looked really strong for republicans. eight years before that rudy giuliani looked really strong for republicans. before they got tested. desantis the hasn't been tested. if i'm on the biden campaign, the guy i'm looking at the most closely is a tim scott who has a way to talk about issues different from the rest of them who are all out there trying to be out anti-woke, out to anti-woke one another. that's not what's going to resonate in a general election. so i don't know what happens. i think the president knows what he needs to do, and if he's focused on that, i think he'll get a few assists from the republican candidates along the way.

shannon: okay. quick break here because we have a lot more to discuss. up next, republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene tweeting about what she calls, quote, national divorce. the panel will talk about that and much more as the congresswoman counsels down. >> in the isn't ending our union, this is shrinking the federal government which we need to stop our spending. ♪ ♪ chevy silverado factory-lifted trucks. where will they take you? ♪ ♪ (dog barks) ♪ silverado zr2, trail boss, and custom trail boss. because adventure is everywhere.

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>> honestly, i kind of wanted to subpoena the former president. me looking at him and being, like, do you solemnly swear, and we getting to swear him in, i kind of thought that would be an awesome moment. shannon: the forewoman of the

grand jury that investigated president trump's actions after 2020 the election. raised some eyebrows with her candor. we are back now with the panel. josh, national review wrote on this and said, essentially, in the may be a lucky break for president trump. they say if emily coors helped trump convince republican primary voters that the democrats' quest to indict them is a politicized abuse of power, his gop nomination could get even -- we have no idea what's going to happen, but does her media tour actually help? >> first, by the way, that was not a saturday night live sketch even though she was parodied on saturday night live. look, i think the bigger picture here is the way trump is defeated is through the political system, not the legal system. and i think democrats have put all their chips in this basket that some prosecutor, whether here in washington, d.c. or fulton county, is going to have the smoking gun that's going to take trump out of the political

race. that's just not going to happen. look, even if he is indicted, there's some evidence that this foreman has said that that might happen, there's going to be a lot of questions of the trump campaign. he's going to raise about credibility and impartiality that could kill the case before it begins. the notion that there's one legal case that's going to to change the blitz corral -- political die the namic has always been wrong,. shannon: she mentioned this week he was out doing some things that are playing well with a lot of people. we've got him in ohio this week going to the scene of the train derailment while the biden administration was taking a lot of heat for not getting there. the president, seems like he says he doesn't have a plan to go on whether he was pressed about talking to the local mayor, he said, i don't think i have? guess who has? donald trump has been there, so missed opportunity the, mo, for the administration? >> i think a lot of people wish they have been there sooner, but i don't necessarily think it was

a total missed opportunity. i think the ongoing federal response is what's going to matter, the fact that they are holding norfolk southern accountable and very aggressive with that is going to matter. look, people there are unhappy with everybody right now. they're unhappy with the federal government, they're unhappy with the republican governor. people want to see more reaction. i don't think donald trump going to hand out water and cleaning supplies is really going to turn people one way or another. it actually reminds me very much of his response to the hurricane in puerto rico when he was president, he went and he os thed out water bottles and paper talls. and you know what? all these years later, puerto rico's still dealing with the ramifications of that. so it was a political stunt, but i think the administration knows that it can't allow itself to be seen as absent. and so ramping up that response, showing themselves on the ground more, when trump shows up,

making the point that this happened in part because of the deregulations that he put in place as president but focusing on the cleanup as quickly as possible. shannon: okay. but the ntsb seems to suggest that wasn't the case, it wasn't an issue of the brakes and that kind of regulatory issue -- >> but they still did roll back regulations at a time when people are feeling like maybe there ought to be more. so there's a political fight to be had. i think the administration is right to folk if more on the cleanup and getting people back on track. shannon: secretary buttigieg got there after president trump kid. here's what he said. >> what i tried to do is balance two things, my desire to be involved and enbeiged and on the ground concern engaged and on the ground which is how i am generally wired to act and my desire to follow the norm of transportation secretaries, allowing ntsb to the really lead the initial stages of the public-facing work. i'll do some thinking about whether i got that balance right. shannon: jeff, a lot of people

are questioning when he got that balance right. >> it was bad. it was a bad moment for the administration. trump was handing out water, he's the first one there, and buttigieg is handing out apologies. so the entire optics were bad to start with. and then i would have thought of all the cabinet secretaries, the one that wouldn't need fashion advice would be major pete -- mayor pete with his fancy boots. that was a whole moment. the number one thing you do when there's a tragedy is be there and be there early. and they didn't do that. trump beat 'em to it. he sucked the oxygen out of the ukraine visit that owe joe biden had, so it just was a win for the trump campaign and a bad with, bad look for the biden administration. shannon: the white house will say they had federal crews and assets on the ground. the big names weren't there. i don't think the president will go, but to have a cabinet secretary, that was later, but there have been assets on the ground, to be fair. okay, so let's talk about congresswoman marjorie taylor green and this national divorce idea. this is not the original tweet, but she's had many.

people saying national divorce is a bad idea because the left will never stop trying to control it is literally making the case for national divorce. we don't want a civil war, we're not strengtherring. we're tired of complaining with no change and want to protect our way of life. beverly, this gets back to some of the polling i talked about with senator scott, people feel very divided in this country. >> i think it's notable that we have a sitting member of congress who's advocating for the breaking up of the united states. that's one thing. especially during covid when you've seen how many people have left blue areas, how would we actually practically do this when you have blue cities in red states? the focus should be on federalism and on the melting pot and being able to disagree with people in an agreeable way. that's what we need to look to. shannon: yeah. over at national review, professor reilly calls it an insanely bad idea. when we're fighting a proxy war with are russia and china looms as a long-term rival or enemy, doing so would reduce america's size and power by half. xi jinping would cut off his own

right arm. to see this happen, josh. >> not only is it unrealistic, but the political divides are within the state. not state versus state, but her home state of georgia, atlanta's becoming very, very blue and the rural parts of the state are very, very red. so i don't know how you have a secession movement within your state. not only is it unreal listing -- unrealistic, but doesn't understand the reality of -- shannon: thank you, panel. up next, my conversation with an artist whose work you are likely very familiar with even if you've never realized it. how he's taken you inside some of america's biggest, most notable court cases for decades. ♪

muck. shannon: as many of you know, i enjoy pulling double duty here at fox, i also cover the supreme court. and as you also know, there are no cameras allowed inside the high court during arguments, so over the years i've gotten to know one of the artists who's done the most to show you what unfolds there. i spoke with him about his very unique role, capturing what happens behind closed doors at the highest court in the land and high profile cases all across the country. ♪

>> i want them to feel as though they're there. i'm not trying to shade it in any particular way. that's my responsibility, that's my job. shannon: you don't know his face, but you do know his work. in a city where courtroom drama drives news but cameras are rarely invited in, artist bill hennessey is there with his pencils and paper. >> i try to more than just statically record what's there, but actually kind of catch the energy and the motion of what's there. of. shannon: it's a profession he stumbled into as a young art student. >> art county got a phone call. the woman at the door said, hey, there's a tvation on the phone, would anybody be interested in drawing in a courtroom? and i jumped at it. much to my surprise, it's been over 40 years. shannon: at what point kid do you transition to -- kid to you transition to this is going to be the work that i do? >> it was crazy. the whole concept of it was basically, you know, it's like imagine this wherever you are, walking into a room full of, you know, 50 people and saying,

quick, need a drawing of this. what do i draw here? i really had to think like a journalist. i finally got a grasp on it and said, okay, i can do this. shannon: today the his sketches are a staple of television news, telling the story of the nation's most consequential cases. you've been in celebrity trials, terrorism trials, a lot of big supreme court cases. what are some of the standouts for you? >> oh, my gosh. you know, that's almost impossible. shannon: he sketched former washington, d.c. a mayor marian barry, the d.c. sniper case, the amer heard and johnny depp trial and a young woman who interned in the clinton white house. >> rumor was there was a dress, she wasn't going to testify and it was, like, we've been waiting for months and nothing's going to come of of in the. and then the word was, oh, yeah, there is a blue dress, they have it. oh, actually, monica's going to testify. shannon: he also sketched that intern's former boss. >> the first impeachment. that really struck me because hi had this sort of front row seat

in the press gallery looking down on all of that. i remember being overwhelmed by that. and i remember this from government class, this never happens, it's so rare. there have been three now. shannon: do you feel pressure when it's somebody that is a are recognizable figure? >> absolutely. [laughter] that is, that weighs heavily. when it's someone they know, they're looking to make sure you get it accurately. but at the end of the day, you've got to finish, you're done, it airs ask that's the best you can do, and you move on to the next case. shannon: his pencils have seen a lot. are there moments when you're sitting in a trial and something shocking happens and you stop where you're at and think, this is going to be a very different sketch? >> there's a lot of things happen that you don't expect s and that's what you've really got to be ready for because that can be the story. shannon: sometimes that story is outside the courtroom. >> i heard a commotion from the floor above, and this shirtless guy comes flying down the escalator. i mean, he's, like, going 8-10 steps at a time, and and he was

moving, and he's being pursued by, like, four court marshals, it was crazy. the amazing thing about that if you look at that sketch at the bottom, there's a woman standing at the bottom of the escalator. she put her foot out and tripped him. shannon: inside the courtroom tennessee has -- hennessey has perfectedded the speed. we're listening to arguments, i'm furiously scribbling my notes, you're working in realtime on these sketches, it is going as the case is going. >> right, right. i mean, that's what's kind of cool about it but also what's kind of crazy about it. shannon: you walk into these courtrooms, and people know bill hennessey is here. this is a trial of import, and he's going to make sure the public gets so -- to see what's happening here. >> oh, i appreciate that. i've gotten to know a lot of really great people over the years. shannon: i've seen hennessey over those years in my time covering the court's most historic cases, and and that case at the top was a really big moment in history. that's the dobbs case that ended

up overturning roe v. wade. >> that's right. that's dobbs. and, actually, there's a reporter in there you might recognize. >> i was so excited to find out i made it into a bill hennessey sketch. shannon: sketching might seem old school, but hennessey says otherwise. >> it has changed. now 24-hour news, they want it immediately. it's fast. almost as soon as the gavel strikes, court's adjourned, it's, like, how soon can you have that? my method of working lends itself to this, because i draw fast, and i like that kind of energy. it's more demanding than ever. shannon: do you ever think about the legacy and these moments in time that you've captured? no camera could ever be there, but your red carpetwork is going to be what -- artwork is going to be what we have. >> i haven't dwelt too much on that. yeah, that is pretty special. in a that that regard, i'm going to let my kids figure out what the heck to do with all those -- the. [laughter] historical images.

shannon: and i will see bill over at the high court this week, we'll both be there covering the arguments on student loan forgiveness by the president. before we go, we want to let you know my colleague, bret baier, sits down with fbi director christopher wray tuesday, 6 p.m. eastern during "special report" on fox news channel. and my podcast, living the bream, drops this week, i sit down with pastor greg laurie who is life is at the tenter -- center of a movie dropping this week that led to that famous time magazine cover, the jesus revolution. you can hear all of the interviews from today's program on the fox news sunday to podcast. you can download and subscribe by heading to fox news podcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts to listen to any of the ones we produce here at fox. that is it for today. thank you for joining us. i'm shannon bream. have a great week, we'll see you next "fox news sunday."

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