and garden ranch is my favorite sauce for the nuggets. >> i think we can literally will see a chick-fil-a -- now i'm hungry. respectful adult boundary-setting statement. >> chicken soup is the best and because the schools closed and kids did not have a basis to know what is appropriate in public. >> waffle fries. >> thanks to everyone for joining us. don't forget to dvr the show. here is "america reports." >> generally jury -- at the request of a party. >> i'm requesting. >> again, i don't know that it's necessary in this particular instance or that it would be a particular help to the jury and if anything, it may confuse the issue. >> the court will allow a jury view. >> sandra: here we go, brand-new twists in the alec murdaugh trial as the judge rules the jury will travel to get a

firsthand look at the murder scene. alec's defense attorneys called their final witnesses to the stand to try to poke holes in the medical examiner autopsy report. >> john: is the defense closing strategy working to sway members of the jury, nancy grace has been covering the murder saga from the beginning, join us live from outside the courtroom with her take-aways coming right up. >> i'm really sorry that the lab leak has become such a distraction for so many people. frankly, we still don't know. there is no evidence to say. >> you said the overwhelming amount of evidence indicates it's a lab leak. i believe most card carrying viral virology and others would disagree with you. >> i think you are misunderstanding. international investigation led by the world health organization is something we have been pressing for.

we need that data, we need that information from the chinese government. >> sandra: walk down memory lane, remember that, years ago and many years of it, denials from top health officials in the u.s. government and inside the biden administration that covid-19 may have leaked from a wuhan lab. the tide appears to be turning now as a new investigation from the energy department admits that is likely what happened. hello, welcome, everyone. sandra smith in new york. john, how much can change in just a week. great to be back with you. >> john: you know what can change in a week, you could be on vacation and back at work. it's true, things do change over time in some cases. in this case they did. i'm john roberts in washington, and this is "america reports." that conclusion based on new intelligence and further testing from the department's top biological laboratories whic st from the nearby virology lab.e

>> sandra: the chinese government quick to response in anger, accusing the u.s. with a smear campaign against beijing and urging the biden administration to stop politicizing the issue. >> john: jonathan turley is here to weigh in. >> sandra: and why the lab leak was dismissed by so many. >> john: jacqui heinrich live at the white house. reaction there? >> no response on china yet, john, but china has had a lot to say, china has blocked the world health organization from fully investigating covid origins pushing out this claim, china has always supported and participated in global science based origin tracing, laboratory origin of the pandemic was considered to be extremely

unlikely is a science based conclusion reached by the w.h.o. joint mission. certain parties should stop smearing china and stop politicizing origin tracing. we have not yet heard from the white house in response to this or the substance of the report from the department of energy, previously, by the way, made no assessment about covid origins and cautions the judgment was made with low confidence but they do join the fbi in making this assessment. the white house is not weighing in one way or another. >> president biden specifically requested that the national labs, which are part of the department of energy, be brought into this assessment because he wants to put every tool at use to be able to figure out what happened here. but right now there is not a definitive answer that has emerged from the intelligence community on this question. >> dr. anthony fauci is being ba in the limelight after he

repeatedly vocalized his belief in the natural origins theory. he faced congress last year in june, an email that helped fund some research at the wuhan lab thanked him for saying the science supported the natural origins theory and not a lab leak. >> you can misconstrue it. the email was from a person to me saying thank you for whatever it is he thought i said and i said i think the most likely origin is a jumping of species. i do think it is, at the same time as i'm keeping an open mind it might be a lab leak. >> so lawmakers are going to try to discern whether the u.s. broadly made the right policy decisions in light of this new information, john. >> john: take a look at that, you take a look at mask, natural immunity, and there was a group

think narrative that was going on that has since been proven to be somewhat fallacious. jacqui heinrich, we look forward to the briefing later this afternoon. >> sandra: steve hilton, host of the next revolution. steve, great to have you on today. as we await the white house press briefing we know john kirby will speak as well as karine jean pierre, and china responding to a department of energy report accusing the u.s. of a smear campaign. how should the white house respond a few moments from now. >> that's completely ridiculous. lab leak, as it were, it's a chinese lab, the lab is in china, it's clear now that the chinese regime should be held accountable for the leak itself, the biosecurity and the cover-up which continues to this day.

group think, that's the point, is the cover-up that's happened here in america and still going on as you saw from jake sullivan because the question is, not just whether it leaked from the lab, but what it was that leaked and that points back here to america and specifically to dr. anthony fauci, and the reason that no one wants to really tell the truth about this, we laid it all out over two years ago on fox and on my show, is that anthony fauci, a lot of people say how could he possibly be behind this, he's the hero of the pandemic, how could he be the cause of the pandemic. the reason is, that for over a decade he has been the global champion, the leading advocate for gain of function research. so when people say rather loosely fauci funded the lab and that's the responsibility, it's much worse than that. dr. fauci commissioned this work. he commissioned the work, and it fits with his pattern of supporting this research. in 2011, in "the washinton

post," dr. fauci wrote these words. engineering a potentially dangerous virus in a laboratory is a risk worth taking. he took that risk. he broke the rules put in place by the obama administration in 2014 to do it, he broke the new rules put in place by the trump administration in 2017 to do it. it is a massive scandal, and that's the reason despite this new piece of evidence that overall the white house does not want to engage in this, it shows we here in america, dr. fauci specifically, are the cause of the global pandemic. >> sandra: one would think with such a big report from our own department of energy, one would think this white house would have already spoken out on this. so, of course we'll be listening for that briefing. marc thiessen was on newsroom earlier this morning, steve, and he said he believes this should be the central question now. >> why is there no 9/11

commission for the covid pandemic? >> i don't know. >> we got so many things wrong from the response to, i mean, look at fauci's mistakes from the beginning of this, saying for six weeks that there was no community spread in the u.s. when it was, to dismissing masking, wrong and wrong and things to this. >> where is the commission on the response of this? >> he's completely right on both sides of this. we see this pandemic, and all the destruction that was caused around the world, both parts of that were man-made. the virus was man-made, and the response was made by government completely out of proportion, the lockdowns never justified by science, the school closures and so on. and still we have group think being pushed. recently i saw on cnn, public health expert trying to inside it was an animal transmission, we don't have to worry whether the research continues. no evidence for natural origin

for this and no questioning for the response either so next time we have something like this, we don't make the same mistakes and destroy lives in the process. he's completely right. we do need that investigation but don't want to have the investigation because it shows up the massive mistakes that were made by the establishment and by politicians of both parties throughout the last three years. >> sandra: it was dismissal from those public health officials and denial of that actually being potentially the case, and it was the media as well. you saw it everywhere, and from so many, and we need to be asking why that was. steve, thank you very much for joining us and it was great to see you today. thank you. >> john: sandra, final testimony in the alec murdaugh murder trial underway as the defense begins to wrap up its case, this as the disgraced attorney is hit with a new misdemeanor charge. tell us month are about this misdemeanor charge, john. >> the new charge came after

alec murdaugh testified on friday, authorities releasing few details but fox, carolina and greenville, carolina, contraband his sister passed to him in the courtroom earlier in the trial. the lawyers are calling three more witnesses to the stand before resting, most likely later this afternoon, trying to cast doubt on the crime scene investigation, and the method the coroner used to estimate the time murdaugh's wife and son died. >> tell when he what you learned by sticking your hand under the remember a pit of a deceased. >> you would not learn anything. >> really? >> well, you may learn the arm can't come down because of rigidity. >> another consultant on the stand says a two-shooter scenario is more likely. later this week, the jury will take a field trip to the scene of the crime.

the judge granted the request to bring the jury to moselle, the murdaugh family 1700 acre hunting estate. jurors would be accompanied by ample security after lawyers raised concerns about recent incidents of trespassers venturing on to the property to take selfies in front of the crime scenes. closing arguments could take place as early as wednesday. back to you. >> john: all right, a lot of people fascinated by this trial as it got going, even more so now with alec murdaugh on the stand. and more on this, sandra, later on from one of our esteemed colleagues. >> sandra: nancy grace will take us through the twists and turns. so many are captivated. >> john: yesterday i was out in the yard doing yard work and a neighbor came by walking his dog, and he said hey, are you watching the trial, told me a

good friend of his went to law school with alec murdaugh. small world out there. >> sandra: interesting, very interesting. you always learn everything from the dog walkers, right? >> john: don't you, though? >> sandra: eyes on everything. >> john: i'm a dog walker now too, that's good. >> sandra: turn our attention to the border, that crisis turning deadly after a high speed chase caused a car to crash and split in half. we are learning more about the staggering number of migrants coming across in just the past few months. plus this. >> it's time for a new direction. americans want more. they want something different and they want it now. >> john: is nikki haley right when she says americans want something different in the race for president? some new fox news polling might surprise you? political panel is on deck to break it all down. stand by.

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>> sandra: toxic waste clean-up from the ohio train wreck resuming today after the epa ordered the train's operator to halt the shipment of contaminated soil and water over the weekend to disposal sites in michigan and texas. authorities in those states say they were never informed about those shipments. now two sites in ohio will get some of that waste instead.

meanwhile, people living around the derailment site in east palestine say they are still feeling sick, despite assurances the air and water are safe. john. >> john: all right, sandra. because it's never too early to start talking about the presidential race, the first national survey on the 2024 race for president and former president trump who launched his re-election campaign in november tops the list of preference with 43%, followed by ron desantis 28, nikki haley and pence at 7%, and greg abbott and liz cheney tied at 2%. joining us to game this out, get the over and under and all that other stuff. juan williams, and david avilla. good to talk to you. let's put the results back on the screen again, it is interesting to look at. nikki haley is saying it's time for a new generation of leader, but most people say president trump is their choice. however, david, as we have seen

in the past, those numbers are going to be -- those numbers will likely jump around a lot. >> no question about it. and there's no question also that president trump was going to be viable for the nomination. if you are ron desantis looking at those numbers right now, you are saying i'm 50/50 here. you think about the nominees of our party in the last six nomination processes. bob dole was where desantis is right now, or better. president h. w. bush was there, and george w. who is belong him or you had ronald reagan below him at this point, mitt romney and john mccain polling worse than what des desantis is. >> john: in 2015, it was jeb bush. and the cross tabs, more

nuanced, former president trump leads among men, women, people over and under 45, and people with no college degree. who is left? desantis leads among people with a college degree and people who think biden legitimately won. the moment former president trump has the advantage here. >> tronningstrong advantage, i desantis would do well if donald trump was not running. with trump in the race, a delicate balance republican candidates have to perform. are you willing to criticize trump and if you are criticizing trump then you are alienating the trump base and that's very difficult, i think it creates a problem for desantis. i don't know how he can overcome it. >> john: desantis is like i'm not going to get into the

criticism game. democrats not much of a mood to keep biden on, 37% of democrats said keep him on, someone else run, 53%. marion williamson is the only one who has taken up the call but there are others out there. >> almost 2020 all over again. the majority of democrats were not thrilled about president biden on the first choice but elizabeth warren or bernie sanders they woke up and said we better stick with, take biden on this one. and you are seeing this very thing play out. do they really want biden, no. but if he becomes, if he decides to run again it will be hard to challenge an incumbent president and take them out. and so if you are biden, you are sitting in a pretty good spot. one other thing about the rubicon test. here is where it becomes important. who knows how to count delegates, who is going to get

the delegates and looking at the trump operation, you've got brian jack, already done this once or twice for president trump and that gives him a big advantage. they have counted delegates before. >> i thought you were going to say in the republican primaries, unlike democratic primaries, it's winner take all. if you go with the 40% that trump has right now and goes into a state like south carolina, he gets 100% of the delegates, it's a winning hand. >> john: and back to the democrats, if i could. biden we expect to announce in the near future. in 1980, a huge challenge of jimmy carter by ted kennedy and a bare knuckle fight at the convention. could we see that this time around? gavin newsom says i'm getting in, or pritzker or murphy, klobuchar, anybody. >> or jared polis from colorado. interesting, when you look at

the numbers among democrats as we did among republicans for the viewers, what you see is bernie sanders, michelle obama, they are in the second and third place. and if you ask democrats a different question, a lot of young democrats are critical of biden's age. ask overall democrats who gives democrats the best chance to hold on to the white house going forward, then it's more than 50% say joe biden. >> john: we have set the first debate on the republican side, a number of months away, we are looking forward to it. >> sandra: great discussion. far left prosecutors backed by george soros under the microscope as murders and crime rates spike in their cities. now there are growing efforts to get them thrown out of office. leo terrell is here to sound on what he says needs to happen. he'll join us next. >> john: we are awaiting the white house press briefing where we could get some tough questions on the energy department now saying covid most likely came from a lab leak.

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some people are fighting back. leo terrell with his thoughts, but first william is live in los angeles. we see progressive policies, what exactly does that mean? >> it depends on the jurisdiction. number one, treatment instead of punishment and two, low level offenders are not prosecuted. the problem is, some studies show when you redues the consequences of crime there is more of it. prosecutors argue that reform policies do the opposite. >> turn around the criminal legal system in this country in a way that will become more humane. >> the offense of prostitution, determination that in general we were not going to prosecute because we think it does more harm than good. >> soros spent about 40 million to put 75 million liberal prosecutors in office, including those you see here, most whom support 0 bail, keep the jails empty, dropping misdemeanor and

gun and gang charges, shorter parole, pleading down felonies to misdemeanors, less jail, more probation, and no juveniles, even violent ones, tried as adults. >> we need to have prosecutors who understand their job and their job is to do justice. it's not just to throw the code book away and not prosecute anybody. when you take away consequences, even for low level crime, guess what. crime goes up. >> not everyone agrees and yet there is no conclusive evidence that so-called reform policies correlate to safer streets and less crime. >> the only thing that matters to people when it comes to am i going to commit this crime or not commit the crime, their perception of the likelihood of getting caught. >> so it's interesting, john. voters in some communities in virginia do not just blame the d.a.s, but the spike in crime to

soros himself, he says only a grand per candidate, but they get $300,000, shows how one person can impact a single campaign. >> john: people are wondering what his game really is. can't figure it out. thank you. >> sandra: leo terrell, i know you have been sounding off on this for quite some time, especially after you looked at what played out in the last election cycle. all this money, i mean, they get re-elected, they won their midterm races, this is a breakdown of soros-backed attorneys, 75 of them, more than $40 million spent, leo, and when you look at the people, the americans that these soros' backed prosecutors represent, it's about 20% of the country and more than 40% of u.s. homicides happening. there are real consequences to these folks getting backed by

soros with all of this money and you have to ask, when is this going to come to an end? >> thank you for that question, sandra. thanks for having me. i live in one of these terrorized cities, los angeles, we have a george soros' backed d.a., george gascon. but soros's money and the d.a.s play the race card in the predominantly democratic cities, and prosecutional discretion not to charge career criminals and what's happening is the people they claim they are trying to help, the people of color, are being hurt in these democratic cities. sandra, the question i always ask, where is this racist bogeyman in new york, l.a., chicago. they are run by people of color. but this is going on and on and on, and the only solution, sandra, is that we need to have voters aware of this selection

process by george soros ahead of the problem. just like in virginia when the parents got upset with critical race theory, they took action. we need to take action to negate george soros' money. >> sandra: you mentioned parents and what it's going to take for enough people to speak up. kim gardner is the target of many who have fallen victim to crime happening, the missouri a.g. now is pointing out her history of scandals, alleged misconduct, she's defiant, though. but this is a parent, jim daindrige, son was robbed at gunpoint. slamming kim gardner. >> we cannot allow people like kim gardner to be prosecutors in the state and let us down. the safety of every one of us here is in jeopardy because of inept prosecutor here.

they have dropped homicide because the prosecutors don't show up. how does that happen? >> sandra: and she's facing calls from the missouri governor, the a.g., they want her to resign. will more people rise up and speak out? >> and let me tell you right now, sandra, kim gardner is a train wreck. she -- a young 16-year-old girl who lost her legs because an armed robber who broke bond 40 different times, ran into this young lady. >> sandra: volleyball player. >> in st. louis. gardner is a train wreck, she's playing the race card against the governor. that's what they do. kim gardner is incompetent. kim gardner is hurting the people of color in the city of st. louis and all people. the problem is very simple. these type of cases, sandra, the district attorney races don't get the media attention and george soros' dark money is used to negate any challenges from the opposition candidate who believes in law and order.

and that's why kim gardner has been in office since 2016. and she's up, i think, just recently, been disciplined by her own state bar. >> sandra: and that is why she is at this moment facing an unprecedented push to get out of office after that volleyball player, 16 years old, hit by a vehicle, lost both her legs while visiting st. louis with her team. it is a sad, sad story, and affecting so many americans in this country right now. and the money is still there, and as long as the money is there, do you predict change any time soon? >> let me be clear and honest to the fox viewers. no. i live in los angeles. i have to have my head on a swivel, it is dangerous in los angeles, it's dangerous in san francisco, dangerous in chicago, new york. what do they have in common, sandra? democratic cities run by democratic governors and mayors and but for fox news, we don't see this every day but we have

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>> john: come with a vial of perfume, teen spirit? >> sandra: not a flat screen, the computers, so look so oh so -- from a different time. >> john: can you imagine the 1990s historic and nostalgic already? >> sandra: too funny. always looking for a way to attract a different audience and if you consider the fact most millennials are like married with kids now, they are shopping at american girl and maybe that nostalgia is perfect for them. >> john: last time we talked about them, trying to attract attention with a rather bizarre publication, but -- it's interesting to see -- >> sandra: don't we remember that one. >> john: i still have it on my desk, by the way. speaking of all of that, a virginia school board already under fire for withholding prestigious academic awards for students is now facing another controversy after a board member claimed at a recent meeting a decisive victory for the united

states in world war ii was unfortunate and evil. lieutenant governor sears, this is abrar omeish, commenting on the battle of iwo jima, to take it back from the japanese. >> the thing for us to reflect on as we learn our history and think about it, the days when iwo jima unfortunately happened and set a record for what, hate to say human evil is capable of. that's something just to remember. >> john: the battle was a turning point that saved tens of thousands of u.s. service members lives getting it back from the japanese. what do you say, lieutenant governor, about what she said? >> my heart is heavy because we need leaders who bring people together, they don't divide. we need leaders who will let the wounds, the scabs of the past

heal so we are not at each other's throats. what she has said is nothing but division and it's dangerous and words mean something. words matter. and a leader ought to know that. she's a political leader, make no mistake about it because she was elected to the school board. and yes, she is young, but she should know better. during that battle, the battle for iwo jima was the most bloody battle marines had ever faced. one-third of all marines who died in world war ii died in that pacific theater in that battle, and women who died and served, we had navajo cold talkers who the japanese were after because they couldn't break the code. we had latinos, and black marines who served, and we had other military branches. she owes the families of these men and women who served an apology. i would tell her get there very

quickly to a microphone and apologize. >> john: there was a lot of heroes, obviously in the battle, one was woody williams, a medal of honor recipient for gallantry. and you received the spirit award from the iwo jima association. she made these comments in conjunction with the day of remembrance, the japanese americans observe to remember what happened to many of them during world war ii when they were interred in prison camps. the u.s. congress said that was a mistake, gave reparations to those, we teach that in school here in america but to teach or think an educator would call the battle for iwo jima evil seems to be the horse of a completely different color. >> and this is why we don't have time to waist on ideologies. we need our children to learn actual history. we need them to learn about the japanese internment camps for

sure. we need to learn about all the bad things that have happened. america is not a perfect country by any stretch of the imagination, but you know, she's the best we have and you know that because people are dying, literally dying to come here, even now, and we've got to have leaders who say not anymore. we are going to talk about the sins of the past but not put them on our children who never experienced them. we want our children to have a country where we are living together in peace and in harmony, and she also used the holocaust as a correlation of what happened, that that's what the marines were engaging in. it is not. the holocaust was about hitler and and others and annihilation of the jews. what the marines were trying to do, to liberate, to bring peace. how dare she do that. >> john: lieutenant governor

winsom sears, appreciate it. >> sandra: another violent and dangerous weekend on the border. a woman was sent to the hospital. live on the ground. >> john: the murder trial of alec murdaugh in week six. is the defense team in damage control after alec took the stand and could other mysterious deaths in the area be linked to the murdaugh family. nancy grace joins us and has more in the next hour. month? ry car loans can be expensive, and the payments high. consolidate that car loan into a newday home loan and save hundreds every month.

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>> sandra: fox news live on the southern border following a violent and deadly weekend including a car chase that left four dead as the number of migrant encounters since october alone tops 1 million. matt finn is live in mission, texas. what kind of dangers are border patrol agents on the front lines up against here? >> well, sandra, we have an update for you on one of those dangers. the fire chief from rio bravo, texas tells us four people are dead after the driver of an suv failed to surrender to border patrol early saturday leading agents on a chase and then crashing into a utility pole. the driver and three other people inside the car were

killed. that fire chief tells me this afternoon he supports a border wall being built near his town and blames the current administration for increased danger in his community. and this afternoon, active investigation into border patrol using deadly force on a woman saturday. our own border patrol and law enforcement sources say a female human smuggler also may have put agent lives in danger by not surrendering, sources say border patrol apparently shot the woman believed to have survived, we don't know her exact condition and it's not often we see border patrol using their weapons. and texas dps says it discovered an unaccompanied 9-year-old girl from honduras near la jolla, texas, she got lost in mexico and then smuggled with two pregnant women on a raft into the united states. also over the weekend, chinese nationals surrender to the u.s. in texas. fox is told chinese nationals

are processed for expedited removal unless they claim fear of persecution, and released with a notice to appear. since the beginning of the fiscal year only a couple months, they have seen more than 3,000 chinese nationals cross into this country, some paying upwards of $35,000 to be smuggled. sandra. >> sandra: wow, matt, thank you very much. john. >> john: sandra, still lots to come this afternoon. we are awaiting a white house briefing, karine jean-pierre and john kirby will take questions the first time since the u.s. government declared covid-19 likely came from a lab leak. when did you think you were going to hear that? we'll listen in live when it begins. 82-year-old grandmother fighting cancer the latest victim of a carjacking crisis in washington, d.c. now the city wants to pass a new criminal code to make carjacking punishments less severe. how is capitol hill responding to all that? that story plus a star-studded

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