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have you both. we will rock this hour. we begin at the u.s. supreme court where the justices right now hearing arguments into cases challenging president biden student loan and out program. in one of those cases, the coalition of six republican-led states is fighting to block biden plan to pass nearly half a trillion dollars of student loan debt onto the backs of taxpayers. many didn't have those loans because it's only 13% of the american spirit of the coalition calls it an executive branch overreach. and it is absent of clear congressional mandate. the white house as it is confident in its legal authority. but the outcome will determine how much power will be granted to the president of the united states moving forward. the wall street editorial particles at one of the most consequential separation of power cases in american history. i see you nodding. why? >> marc: the biden administration knows this is

one, unpopular and unconstitutional. they will lose the case. the reason is look at the state of the union address. he laid out his entire agenda and they didn't mention this and talk about it in the state of the union address. they know it is losing and there are so many bad parts but the worst part it is stolen valor. this is based -- where does the president of the united states get this authority? 2003 heroes act passed after 9/11 to make sure the men and women who put on the uniform were called up to serve to fight the terrorists did not default on their loan while on active duty. so he's taking the national emergency and saying covid emergency and apply to people who never served. that is stolen valor! he's turning millions of americans into people with stolen valor. >> harris: david asmussen read to that and meant to be a pause. biden is making it permanent for those people. it isn't about military service. >> marc: no, it is not pure

the other thing about this, the you want proof of the democratic party and mouth the working class. this is it. you are asking people, blue-collar workers who never went to college to subsidize higher education of doctors and lawyers for graduate student loans. people making $260,000 and you are asking working-class people to do that. if that is proof that the democrats don't represent the working class anymore, this is it. >> harris: they are out of touch. let's go to this and i will come to you kayleigh. house speaker nancy pelosi said biden does not have the power for debt forgiveness. she said this 2021. watch. >> people think the president of the united states has the power for debt forgiveness. he does not. he can postpone. he can delay, but he does not have that power. that would be an act of congress. >> harris: it seems clear. [laughter]

>> kayleigh: democrats like to do acknowledge the constitution and do an about-face. we saw with joe biden i don't think i have the authority to do it by signing with my pin. and "the wall street journal" a former counsel and department of education during obama's administration and said clearly come i don't think you have the power to do this. it reminds me, countless times, i don't have the power to legalize a class of individuals but he did just that. they will fall on hard times and was told the court to strike down and the court strike down biden in a few ways, and the court said clearly, you have clear congressional authorization for any action you take. 280 will make your point, congressional was not clear for authorization and not just the hypocrisy. the pandemic is over peerless to title 42 at the border. it doesn't make much sense. >> harris: this has to be the biggest flexes i've seen in a

long time. he doesn't want to tell the american people that he promised particularly those on the far left. and he said that look how much i care about the people. so, you want to say no. so he will get the u.s. supreme court to say no for him. >> emily: is much as political as you can when you are weak. they can be confident all they want but it doesn't matter how confident, they are wrong and have been wrong this entire time. so the supreme court, yes, sagging what do you think you are doing? you have no authority for this as they have been saving and throughout the entire time this administration. we saw earlier today justice roberts say, "i'm sorry you expect to wipe half a trillion dollars a way out of the budget and think congress doesn't have to approve?" let's take a look at what the chief justice had to say. >> i think most casual observers would say if you are going to give up that much amount of money and affect the obligations of that many americans on a

subject with great controversy, they would think that is something for congress to act on. if they haven't acted on it a good lesson to say to the president with the administrative bureaucracy, maybe that is not something to undertake on their own. >> emily: he went on to say, do you think congress shouldn't be surprised when half a trillion dollars gets wiped off of the books? you know who echoed that with liberal justice alejandro mayorkas. who asked the representative of the government, how do you expect to deal with this point of issue that the argument the administration is making that in the past, the supreme court has ruled automatically it means congress has to pay for it. and i think this is what alejandro mayorkas needs to understand thus far because of biden's decisions, we have forgiven $201 billion to the tune of $8,000 for every american household. to your point blue-collar americans that don't deserve to settle to the tune of $8,000

other people's lofty educational goals. every single month, that president biden has engaged in this and additional 6 billion. the numbers are too great for us to understand. but it includes -- >> harris: i think we get it. >> emily: the pandemic but the one time the public service loan forgiveness. so i think at the end of the day, it is not just about what the supreme court will rule, which is it has no authority but how much damage has already been fenced. >> harris: i can only imagine. i do want to get in with it with you doctor, the political side come i can imagine if a democrat and looking across the aisle and stating, what will this look like? this could get ugly, seriously. when the she was on the other foot in the executive authority has grown a third head because of what is happening now. >> dr. saphier: that was one of the biggest complaints about president trump they felt he used executive authority. but so did president obama and el president biden. >> harris: but not to the tune

of $400 billion appearance before the legality argued today i leave it to the lawyers on the couch because they know more thy offensive to those of us who it off off their student loans or paying off our student loans or never took out student loans to begin with. you wipe away $400 billion worth of debt? okay that is fine as long as we are not paying for that on the back end. >> harris: there is no other way to do it. >> dr. saphier: but emily brought up a point, the public service loan forgiveness program and not even what they are talking about here appear that is something that people can get these student loans forgive but that does have a limit on how much they make. you can make $500,000, $1.5 million but if working for the government or nonprofit, that is still getting wiped away. >> harris: will quickly come is covid over? >> dr. saphier: no, covid is not over. you have the flu season.

the emergency has been over for a while. >> harris: by a between now and may. does the pandemic come back to be an emergency? >> dr. saphier: no, unfortunately this is continued abuse of power and the emergency has been over for some time but they have perpetuated the pandemic to their advantage. >> marc: the science, follow the signs. >> harris: part of the science is political science of who has to get votes. [laughter] let's move on here at the white house trying to downplay the findings from the fbi and now the energy department that covid likely leak from a laboratory in china, not just any laboratory but the infamous wuhan lab. "not a consensus." that is next. travel so expensive, we have this hotel to our...selves..? - how'd you get here? - kayak!

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♪ ♪ >> kayleigh: the white house downplaying "wall street journal" report revealing the energy department believes covid came from a lab leak in china. some of us have been suggesting that quite some time. based on classified intelligence provided to the white house and congress. the john kirby pushed back pressed by jacqui heinrich. speak with the president made trying to find the origins of covid a priority right when he came to office purity has a government effort designed to do that. there is not a consensus right now in the u.s. government about exactly how covid started. there is just not an intelligence community consensus. >> kayleigh: surprised to know when the media rushed to consensus three years ago widely dismissed lab leak as debunked conspiracy theorists. >> conspiracy theory is going

around that the coronavirus originated and was perhaps man-made inside a lab in china. then there is this theory quietly dip to cochinese researchers that says it is plausible the virus leaked accidentally from one of the labs of the seafood market. >> there is a question about the wuhan lab. we know it has been debunked and the man-made or modified. >> just weeks ago dr. anthony fauci rejected conspiracy that the virus was made in a wuhan lab. but still pushing to debunk. >> everybody loves that phrase escape from a lab because a marvel movie or comic book. the scientists and intelligence community agreed this was not man-made peer that was not a possibility. >> there is no reason to believe any of these conspiracy theories that it was leaked from the lab of wuhan whether intentionally

or otherwise. >> that is stricking to watch. marc, my press briefing in 2020 this was the main topics. the reporter for "the new york times" and only debunked theory but it was one where the administration was pressing the intelligence community to find evidence to support the theory. number one, this originated in china. number two, it may be a laboratory, but that simply was rejected, why? >> marc: i don't know. what the heck does debunked mean? [laughter] >> harris: what is that? >> marc: you have to live under a rock and realize this didn't come from a web. it happened in wuhan, the wuhan institute of virology doing biosafety level 2, the dentist office to biosafety four a space suit. we know that escape four times

from beijing university overall energy. so we had leaks before and three researchers from the wuhan institute of virology went to the hospital with covid symptoms in 2019, november. we know they got sick. this is like a two-minute decision the first minutes we are talking. what is the evidence for natural release, no evidence that lance but that has inspire his. so there is zero evidence for natural release. i will tell you why they did this and with, because this was happening during the 2020 election. any effort to blame china was seen as deflecting from blaming donald trump here the goal was to blame donald trump to win the election. they played this down because anything they blame china was deflected from trump. >> kayleigh: that nails it. harris, look at this scientist debunk the lab. "the washington post" the new coronavirus obstinately released from wuhan lab is doubtful.

cnn lied about dr. fauci and when your leader how suddenly became incredible the lab leak theory. it changed following presidential election. >> harris: two things after the white house, kirby, one, can we get some of the information they are looking out to be classified to the american people to see it? we are grown-ups and we can handle it. and you know, the senators haven't even all seen it. it is an important committee. so i do think we need more eyes on this. maybe more consensus than we know about. by the way, to the white house what is a consensus to them? i want to know because we will not get agreement every single agency. that is ridiculous. we make new agents constantly. they can create one, "i don't agree in debunk wrong." who knows? but it picks up and politically brilliant as you often are come if they are not pushing against trump now, why pin it on china?

why go that direction? maybe because you don't really want to talk about the fact china hasn't you on your knees right now? i said that for the first time but they really do and they have you by your ponytail and holding you there and saying, could know what, we will call for peace between russia and ukraine. then we might just arm russia. by the way, we will fly whatever we want to fly across the united states because you won't do anything. maybe this is the shiny object. >> marc: in its entirety. trump is no longer the target for them right now so it is safe to go after china. it is a distraction from the balloon. all of a sudden, they can be tough on china. who knows. >> kayleigh: dr. saphier you have been a leading voice on covid information. i have been reading what you say on these matters. scientist kind of go against the science meets over and pointed out he will never forget the behavior of the cadre of scientists use every trick in the book to suppress discussion

of the issue. and werth noted pointing out social media corporations got involved. do you remember the response of 2020, you are punished for a crime of disinformation. why does every institute seem to come together against the site? >> far more political than science in the beginning. first of all, at the beginning when we didn't have a lot of information there were missteps that you could understand. the big crime was the cover-up that occurred and also continue to shy away at looking at the evidence that emerged to keep original theories. one of the most interesting things i have seen right now even on social media today, the people against the potential of the lab leak theory are cited two main things, that it has to be natural spillover because, one, usually natural spillover so that is probably what it is. but as marc pointed out, it has to be in the wild nature and we haven't seen it in birds. the second is they continue to

push to a research article from last summer in science journal that said, "it definitely came from the wet market because we looked at the first known 150 cases and there the general vicinity of wet market 8 miles from wuhan institute of virology." that is they're leaving peace and they bury their head in the sand. i don't think they will see people accept this because some way they have stayed strong and say it is political but it isn't. >> kayleigh: mike pompeo open investigations but biden shut it down because china select committee we will hear from today prime time from a 65 democrats voted against it. so why does the left have a hesitation to investigate china and covid lab? >> emily: china has them on their knees. harris said a moment ago if someone shows you who they are come i don't argue. i have played that year to the government of china and to biden

and this administration. china has been shown for decades the links they will go to the lack of transparency, downright lying, physical and intellectual property wise, they have infiltrated every component of our economy and our national sovereignty. on the world stage, they continue to embarrass and mock us with the exception of the opportunity present trump was in power and secretary mike pompeo secretary of state and head of the cia. so now, president biden reinstated but he paused it. because they have capitulated. who gets the biggest donor to the world health organization? why would we believe china now when they have been lying this entire time? i mention this yesterday but it is worth underscoring that as early as january 2,018th, a team of u.s. diplomats and scientists raise the alarm. they were begging for assistance in helping with the safety of lab that operates at a four level biohazard and there's not

enough training of these technicians of these investigators and if nothing is done, there will be another bars like pandemic. into sensitive but not classified documents. 2018 so the intelligence community, we are still looking at it. guys, you don't have to look back and look at january 2018. >> emily: don't look at it. coming up transportation secretary pete buttigieg under investigation for expensive private jet travel on the taxpayers' dime. what he is saying about the investigation next. ♪ ♪ let's get started. bill, where's your mask? i really tried sleeping with it, everybody. now i sleep with inspire. inspire? no mask? no hose? just sleep. learn more, and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com

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before returning hours later not to mention one to europe and went to canada. buttigieg weighed in on the audit and says, he welcomes it. speak with the vast majority i travel on commercial lines but there is a portion of the time, 10%, 20% when the user agency's aircraft. the number one reason we would use the agency aircraft is it works out to be less expensive for taxpayers than the commercial airline tickets would be. i welcome that so we can pass the politics of this and make sure everybody understands affect spirits be really why funding the trip to europe to his has been or receive an award anyway? >> kayleigh: that is a great question. to me he claims 126 flights and 10100 and they have been commercial come economy but to your point what has each government-funded flight then and what is the justification for taxpayer dollars on that? what is more calling his complete obsession with climate change and affect the private

jetliner has ten times more carbon emissions than commercial jetliner and 50 times more than a train. he needs to embrace grade of thunder, secretary pete across the atlantic ocean if he wishes to go to europe. [laughter] >> harris: wow, put a bike on that vote so he can bike when he gets there. >> just for a photo op. >> harris: you know what you might think if you just pay your own way it wouldn't be a big thing. why do people take private planes? if going to get that award, write a check for it. he has a salary. why not do that? then you don't have all these questions. i wish, however flipping the bill to east palestine ohio on a joke, we could crowd fund for that. so he could actually smell what was coming out of the ground before they started moving it around and trying to take it out of state. look, he's been accused of wearing party city cost and

construction worker on the ground and all sorts of things. let's put all of that aside however funny it may be. the seriousness of this is his stomach does he have the goal to use taxpayer money to do things he shouldn't? and the things that are emergency we wouldn't have problem as americans. walk if you have two, get there, go back, do more. speak to marc? >> marc: nobody would care if he is doing a great job here that simple. do your job in leading in a crisis, nobody cares about your jet travel. he flew military everywhere and did a great job and nobody cared. but the problem with pete buttigieg has, he is completely uninterested in his job. when he was in portugal during the crisis in 2021, on paternity leave and unreal, strick issue an end now the rail derailment in east palestine. he wants to be president, right?

if you can't handle a rail strike, how can you handle ukraine or a conflict with china? it is a missed opportunity. look at ron desantis right now. people are talking about him for president. why? it is when hurricane ian hit he swung into the model of the commander-in-chief, executive managing a crisis. here is an opportunity for pete buttigieg to show the people i can lead in a crisis and taking charge of this thing. i will lead the federal resources for east palestine. he said he couldn't care less about climate change and racial disparities in destruction. so, i mean i think he has blown up his chances of being president of the united states by this disastrous. >> emily: not only paying for pete buttigieg's but the ip investigation. >> dr. saphier: absolutely we are but he did look great in his hard hat. [laughter] if i could fly private, i would. i can afford to fly myself and

my family private but if i had an income, absolutely would. as long as he is honest about the fact he's flying private on taxpayers' dime and a hypocrite, i'm fine with it. just acknowledge it. what he did is come out and said i only fly private when i'm saving taxpayer dollars. b.s. and i would say it if we were live on tv. i have looked into these prices and it never makes sense if you're not saving dollars. he is lying and a hypocrite. i have no respect for him. the two coming up a dramatic scene at a church where a pastor and his congregation used the power of prayer to stop armed robbers in their tracks. you will want to listen to this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ...i'm over 45. ♪ ♪ i realize i'm no spring chicken. ♪ ♪ i know what's right for me. ♪ ♪ i've got a plan to which i'm sticking. ♪ ♪ my doc wrote me the script. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> harris: oh, yeah. an incredible example of the power of prayer i will share with you now. a pastor at a missouri church with a potential armed robbery by praying for the would-be thieves. praying. the young men walked in wearing masks. the president who is a former police officer noticed guns in their waistbands. check out what happened after he secretly told the church director, "go lock the doors." >> you all decided to come? talk to me. praise god that god sent them here. [applause] don't you play with me. i still know what is going on and i still know what is about to happen.

god is about to change the blood of the enemy. >> will you let me pray for y'all? and i pray for y'all? do you mind if i pray for you? do you mind if i pray for you? do you mind if i pray for you? and i pray for you? they said, i can pray for them. come on, brothers, let's pray for them and for the holy ghost. see, that wasn't so bad, brothers. thank you for letting us pray for you. and we are thankful that for whatever reason, the lord brought you all in here. when you walked on the ground, you walked on holy ghost turf. >> harris: wow! the men reportedly in the church for 20 minutes before they left. the police are still searching for them at this point. emily, you and i shared a glance. powerful to pray. >> emily: especially when you see working blessings indeed. when you see god enlarging his territory through vessels like that. it is not coincidence that

pastor was a former police officer. it is not a coincidence those men walked into a church with guns in their waistband that all of those converging factors, that is god. god said in the bible scripture says, he set a time for zion. that was i on right there. god set time for those men to walk in the church for the pastor to have a cop anointing behind him and to do exactly through him what god wanted him to do. those young men, their lives are changed forever. that territory is enlarged. god is great, amen. >> harris: you know, marc when he asked each one, it reminds us that the lord gives us free choice. do you want us to pray for you? each young man he asked that too. >> marc: absolutely. he probably change their lives. it reminds me a friend, senior charles pope who came for a national day of prayer and gave a humble prayer. one of things he said in this world we often don't see the effects of our prayer like we sell right there.

one of the joys of heaven will be revealed to us the power of our prayers. our week imperfect prayers had an terrorist terrorist attacks were stopped, lives were changed, evil changed, centers s brought to repentance because we pray to be or do we may not seet every day but that will be revealed monday. a joyous impact and god will show us how our prayers change the world. >> harris: nicole? >> dr. saphier: you know what is interesting? i looked at those young men and you look at the statistics who committed these crimes, they tend to not have a family unit at home. they don't have a mother and father and they don't have god in their life so maybe the first time ever in their lives they feel like people are investing in them and praying for them. maybe this is a later message that we need to invest more into the youth so they feel welcome and they feel loved so they can except god in their lives and

will not commit crimes. >> kayleigh: this reminds me of the book "faith moves mountains" as we come from this show daily. the pastor said his hair stood up on the back of his neck when he saw these men what he took his fear and put it aside. welcome these men into his church. it reminded me genesis 50: 20 you intended to hurt me but god accomplished it for good to save many lives." >> harris: matthew 17: 20, said mustard seed faith will move a mountain. coming up, emily on her new true crime podcast. i can't wait to hear about the spirit so good. it will bring compelling stories have solved an unsolved mysteries, murders as told by the people involved. ♪ ♪

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>> lots to talk about china and two congressional committees competing from the origins of covid and this bible and pure that question of the presidential candidate nikki haley and congresswoman ashley henson on the slick china committee coming up. what will the supreme court rather decide about student loan forgiveness? we talked to secretary betsy devos about the larger invocations. will lori lightfoot win a second term or the crime in chicago torpedo election chances? kellyanne conway has thoughts about that. the elite prosecutor suspended for miss jen drink child molester tells a story about what is going on in george

gascon's office. john roberts, we will see you at the top of the hour for "america reports. ♪ ♪ >> kayleigh: welcome back, ripping through crime stories have gained national attention from the quadruple homicide in a small college town in idaho to ongoing double murder trial of alex murdaugh charged with killing his wife and son. fox news audio has launched a new weekly true crime podcast hosted by emily compagno. we are so excited. tell us all about it. >> emily: i'm so excited about this project. there is new episodes every tuesday. wofficially launched today with two episodes. what makes it unique all of my guests are boots on the ground. an actual survivor of the story, the loved one lost and left behind from the brutal murder.

it is the detective that never gave up. it is the prosecutor within the court room and combined with that connection, there is no limit to what we can cover. let's play a thought from one of the episodes right now. >> the number one new as soon as he dropped, he would lunge forward. they knew he would encounter an arm subject to had killed somebody and it would be a fight to the death or lunge forward and encounter an innocent, scared, terrified 5-year-old child. >> emily: that is keio bullwinkle fbi retired fbi agent and hostage negotiator with a alabama 2014 bunker hostage situation. when he was talking about the tactical resolution to seven days when a man murdered a school bus driver, kidnapped a child with asperger's syndrome from the school bus and held him hostage for seven days in a bunker in alabama.

kyle's boots on ground experience from his story so compelling and so gripping. it moved me to tears, and it is an absolutely explicit interview you will not want to miss. >> harris: i love the rip from the headlines elements. because these are stories we will be familiar with. we may not remember every detail but we know from story telling and questioning as an attorney how deep we will get to go. bring back all those memories what it felt like to worry for that child. because week, you know, we were part of that story too. >> emily: so many participants and the cases, we didn't hear their voices at the time because they were still a part of law enforcement. they were so close to the crime. now that they are retired and there's been enough time to finally share their story for the first time of that first hand experience here or there is a lot of stories we haven't heard as well. there will be historical crimes, unsolved murders, cold cases, and the ones that we do know

that will be providing new insight and new information. for all of you true crime lovers out there and dare to stick a toe in the water, you will like this. it will be on youtube, by the way. wherever you listen to a podcast and the episodes are there. starting tomorrow, you can watch them on the fox news youtube channel. >> kayleigh: there is this interesting fascination with crime stories where we see the brutal murders of gabby potato, the idaho murders that gripped the nation. o.j. simpson decades ago so my question for you, emily, true crime fans to understand situations but more suspicious -- [laughter] more suspicious. >> emily: trey gowdy and i were talking about that covering the live ongoing alex murdaugh trial. and we were talking about not everyone leaves the house thinking this is the day i will become a victim of a crime.

actually, trey, i think i have that because every day i make my bed just in case. but that is absolutely right. three quarters of the population field better equipped or perceived to be better equipped. to me, the small race is being suspicious of others. that is partly what this podcast seeks to do is to educate so the listeners know what to do when the situations come and know what signs to look for. above all never to ignore your gut. it is always better to be safe than polite. better to be safe and wrong then unsafe and correct if you ignore the god. i wholeheartedly support that. >> marc: how much fun is it to do a deep dive? we are on tv and we have five minute segments and it is great and we have a great discussion, but you can go deep into these cases and look into them with all the details that we just talk about on tv. >> emily: i'm so great you brought that point up because what i love most is listening. if i can impart one thing, the

storytelling that firsthand experience from the survivors, the loved ones, the law enforcement, the prosecutors, the stories are in uninterrupted. to share their insights, stories, compelling details that we don't have time for in a linear fashion or the front page of a newspaper limited by a police. so there is no limit here. have a feeling that you guys are going to love it. >> harris: you know what else i love, we will get to know the forensics and get into that lingo. i love that. as a journalist for my love to interview people and getting into the lingo. during a pandemic, doing specials on the pandemic. it is like that, you will go deep into the crime and talk with corners come i would imagine. we would know thing to make things about crime scenes. >> emily: that is absolutely right the first murder conviction with forensic genealogy and dna. that is things i think under the landscape of technology and forensics, they are still

historic's peer there are first of its kinds we are uncovering , 7-year-old cold case and more. no shortage of excitement and explosive episodes. >> harris: congratulations. >> kayleigh: no one better to do this than emily compagno with brilliance of all things legal, troop, gnomic true crime podcast emily compagno tuesday and thursday for complete subscribe foxnews.com or wherever you get your podcast. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. ♪ ♪

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stirred? a tiktok user asked an ai program, recipes for the "burning inferno" and "grandma's revenge." would you trust a.i. for crafting your cocktail? doctor, what do you think? an one like long day or it's been a long week, i would be willing to try that. but i don't know, i'm pretty like tequila and soda with fresh squeezed limes. >> the problems with the names, grandma's revenge reminds me of montezuma's revenge. not very classy. >> i thought we would have some cocktails on the set. >> i have some green tea. delicious and good for you. >> a.i. can take a lot of jobs people can do but it cannot taste, right. so, we will never lose the

bartending industry, the food industry, maybe the service industry but not the cooking industry to a.i. it can do a lot of things but can't taste. >> that's true, and no one has the dance moves like you did during the break. wow -- >> and cheers to you all. thanks for watching, here is "america reports." >> we are living through one of the most dangerous periods in american foreign policy in a generation. >> on the issue of covid, we have long stated that china needs to do a better job of being transparent. >> do people in india and europe and south america who have lost relatives know that those relatives might be alive if china and its communist party had cooperated with the world in the first few months. the answer to that i'll answer for you is no.