>> john: new at 2:00, a child molestor charged with murder acaused of conning his way of a jail cell filled with under age girls posing as a woman. >> sandra: one prosecutor says his boss refuses to believe the pedophile on the screen is in reality a man as he tries, says trying to sound the alarm got him suspended by that boss. l.a. county district attorney george gascon. >> john: we are going to talk live with the prosecutor who says gascon is putting woke politics ahead of protecting people and putting the feelings of a child molestor ahead of the truth. welcome back as "america reports" rolls into a second hour. good tuesday to you, sandra. >> sandra: and here we go, hour two. prosecutor joins us just ahead. but first, a busy day down in washington, john.

>> john: to say the least. the supreme court deciding whether president biden could ignore congress or go on one of the biggest spending sprees in u.s. history, wiping out student loan debt for millions of americans. and over on capitol hill, lawmakers are holding hearings on both the china threat and the border crisis. >> sandra: that's where we start a border bust netting enough fentanyl to kill 50 million people. and one mother who knows the drug's devastation all too well. >> we have a weather balloon from china going across our country. nobody died, and everybody is freaking out about it. but 100,000 die every year and nothing is being done, not enough is being done. you talk about children being taken away from their parents. my children were taken away from me. >> john: just some of what we heard during today's house hearing on the border crisis. mother who lost two of her sons

to fentanyl poisoning not only grieving but also getting downright angry. >> sandra: and just now we are seeing another reason why hundreds of pounds of fentanyl found in a traffic stop just 75 miles from the southern border. san diego border patrol arresting three smugglers after seizing 332 pounds of the deadly drug, the third major bust in 13 days. >> john: bill is live in los angeles, how much fentanyl did agents seize when you think of its deadly nature here, bill? >> well, john, according to border patrol, enough fentanyl to wipe out the entire west coast of the united states. and this is one of the biggest fentanyl busts they have made so far this year. take a look at the picture. it happened border patrol san diego sector where you guys mentioned, agents seized 232 pounds of fentanyl all hidden in a smuggler's vehicle. enough lethal doses to potentially kill 50 million people.

border patrol sources tell us the bust took place during a traffic stop on a highway in the san clemente area of orange county, 75 miles inland from the southern border, highlighting the fact the fentanyl will evaded detection at the border. congresswoman young kim reacted, today enough fentanyl to kill all of california and more was found in orange county. this crisis puts lives in danger. the biden administration must get serious about the border. border patrol has made several other fentanyl busts between ports of entry in just the last two weeks alone. that includes the remote desert east of nogales, arizona, the photos you are looking at here, agents caught a group of drug smugglers carrying 24 pounds of fentanyl after they crossed illegally. and earlier this month, take a look at this image. border patrol agents in yuma, arizona seizing 93 pounds of fentanyl, a drug smuggler had in a bag after he entered the u.s. illegally and guys, the numbers

are staggering. the last four months alone, sources tell me border patrol has seized more than 800 pounds of fentanyl between ports of entry and on the other side of the coin, cbp has seized a staggering 12,000 pounds of fentanyl at ports of entry at the border. back to you. >> john: and as we understand it, bill, only seizing a small fraction of what is coming across the border. bill has the update from los angeles. thank you. >> fentanyl is killing americans. let me be clear. mayorkas lied and americans are dying. >> biden administration is working to deal with the fallout of the prior administration's failed border policies. >> i know secretary mayorkas is watching this, by having his team of attorneys watch this, good, this committee is going to lay out the case against you, sir. >> sandra: republicans and democrats sparring over secretary mayorkas and repeated statements that the border is

secure. many republicans calling for him to resign or even face impeachment for his handling of the border, yet for his part, mayorkas says he's not backing down. instead calling on congress to fix the problem. congressional correspondent aishah hasnie is live on capitol hill for us. hello, aishah. >> some of the most powerful, gut wrenching testimony i have ever heard on the hill came from a woman named rebecca keysling. a mother of not one, but two children that she lost to fentanyl poisoning, imagine that. the hurt and pain she carries, and today she did not hold back as she quite literally yelled at lawmakers to do something, take action on our border. >> you talk about welcoming those crossing our border seeking protection. you are welcoming drug dealers across our border. you are giving them protection. you are not protecting our children. >> now, this is the latest in a

series of gop-led border hearings that are really examining the job that mayorkas has done or not done as house republicans are building their case here to launch perhaps an impeachment inquiry against mayorkas. now, today democrats tried very hard to shift the blame away from mayorkas and the biden administration, instead trying to fix the immigration system they said they wanted to do that and they also admonished china. >> i don't think president biden has blood on his hands, i think china has blood on his hands for the fentanyl crisis because as a number of people have said, overwhelmingly, the fentanyl is coming through points of entry. >> and where there was some bipartisan agreement, john, that border patrol agents need more of our help and congress has to come together to send them that help. very emotional testimony today, john. >> sandra: i'll take it from

there. aishah has any on the hill. >> john: katie pavlich, pick up where aishah left off. china has blood on its hand, precursors to fentanyl are flooded into mexico and china knows what's going on. for benny thompson to blame the trump administration? >> it's absurd, cowardly way not to deal with the crisis in front of him with a mother talking about this issue where two of her sons were killed as a result of fentanyl poisoning. you are correct about the china issue. you have seen republicans, michael waltz and dan crenshaw introduce legislation to treat mexican cartels to go after them with military force. they acknowledge that border patrol and local law enforcement are completely overwhelmed, they can no longer handle this issue, and you -- when you listen to the administration and you say well, all of the fentanyl is coming across, what what's your response to the idea that 55 million people could be killed as a result of this, they say

well, clearly they are doing their job because they are interdicting this. imagine the 500,000 got-aways and how much fentanyl they could be carrying. it has gone beyond immigration and illegal immigration, this is an issue going after cartels, after china and quite frankly, the biden administration after the mexican government, at best they have been lately saying please help us with this problem. >> john: and to your point a moment ago, the point with bill, democrats say oh, everything is working on the border, look at all the fentanyl we are seizing. but border official after border official and national security officials have told us they are only getting a small fraction of everything that's going through. so, for every seizure of fentanyl that could kill 50 million people, enough fentanyl to kill 500 million people has gotten through into the united states. i want to come back to the gut wrenching testimony from rebecca keysling, she puts into perspective for republicans and democrats alike what the impact of this fentanyl crisis is.

listen here again. >> if we had chinese troops lining up along our southern border with weapons aimed at our people, with weapons of mass destruction aimed at our cities, you damn well know you would do something about it. we have a weather balloon from china going across our country. nobody died, and everybody is freaking out about it. but 100,000 die every year and nothing is being done. you talk about children being taken away from their parents. my children were taken away from me. this is a war. act like it. do something. >> john: how do you ignore that? >> look, president biden and his administration including secretary mayorkas made a decision at the beginning of his tenure in the oval office to

repeal everything that president trump had done, not looking at whether it had worked to deter fentanyl or trafficking or cartels from making $100 million a week across the border, but just for political reasons to take those things back. we are seeing the results of that. seeing unprecedented record breaking fentanyl hauls, seeing human trafficking, child exploitations inside of companies, inside the united states working off the debt they owed to the cartels and making biions and billions of dollars with very little consequence and backed by china flying in the fentanyl and know what they are doing to poison americans and the administration seems they want nothing to do with enforcing the border protections which actually worked because they happen to be i am mr. hemented under the previous administration. >> john: a huge political fight, republican house members have introduced articles of impeachment against mayorkas. kevin mccarthy wants to wait for

the investigations before moving forward, mayorkas is defiant, an i am not resigning, you have to impeach me you want to take me out, seems like a process that's not going to go anywhere. >> even if mayorkas were to resign, this is a joe biden policy, he's simply enforcing it. until they change that policy you are going to see these things change. but you know, looking at the hearing that they had in yuma, arizona, republicans tried to get out of d.c. to where the problem is. all the democrats boycotted that. every state is a border state now. do they not have people in their community who are victims of the fentanyl crisis? >> john: democrats called it a dog and pony show, but clearly issues. >> these are issues everywhere and democrats are not interested showing up where the things are occurring. >> john: katie, great to spend time with you. thanks for coming in. to katie's point, the democrats said it's a dog and pony show, but you listen to the ceo of the

yuma hospital and the amount of money they are using there, and led some democrats to say look, if this is going on we have to look into this. >> sandra: or listen to the parents and the number of children we are losing and those voices should be the loudest because this is affecting far too many american families, john. heartbreaking. >> john: helpful if both sides got on the same page about this. >> sandra: amen. great stuff with katie. we have done a lot of reporting on billionaire democratic donor george soros and the fortune he spent to get prosecutors across the country. now learning how his son is following in his footsteps with a line to democratic politicians going all the way up to the top. we'll have that for you. >> john: we will also bring you the latest fire storm over a prosecutor soros' backed, george gascon, an accused of going easy on a child molestor accused of

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>> john: billionaire progressive george soros pumped tens of millions of dollars to groups that helped democrats and we are learning his son has taken up the family business. alex soros has his own direct line to democrats, including some of those in the white

house. the younger soros has visited 1600 pennsylvania avenue six times since president biden took office. kelly o'grady is live in los angeles with the details, and who are those meetings with at the white house, kelly? >> well, john, he was meeting with senior level officials. for example, a white house representative did confirm to fox digital two were with the white house chief of staff. we know the billionaire's son met with a deputy national security adviser and an individual from the office responsible for vetting presidential appointees, it goes to a larger organized influence of the democratic party. since 2018, he has poured over 5.7 million into democrat pacs and campaigns, and chair of the open society foundations, his father's liberal organization. and he says his father george is

only the beginning of the liberal dynasty. >> it is all over his instagram, his twitter, his facebook, it is a who's who of liberal established politician, pundits. so i would argue at a minimum, his son is positioned to double the damage his father did. his son seems to be his new ambassador. >> george soros was keeping a low profile, alex flaunts it. pictures with mainstays, nancy pelosi, schumer, jeffries, meeting with pelosi close to ten times and praised her as the greatest speaker that ever lived. john, leave you with this. alex told the "new york times" in 2012 he wanted to strike out on his own instead of being a lazy trust fund kid, seems he did join the family business. >> or apple does not fall far

from the tree. thank you. >> sandra: l.a. county prosecutor says a child molestor accused of murder conned his way into a jail with underage girls by pretending to be one of them. the predator went by james his whole life until he got caught and told his jailers he was a woman named hannah. prosecuted by george gascon's office because it happened years ago. he declined to try him as an adult so he got sent to juvenile detention as a 26-year-old. tubs bragged about that in jailhouse recordings. >> if i go ahead and plead it out and just say i want to do parole or probation, then i'll be good, and no strings attached [bleep] and after like a year it falls away, then i'm good. yeah, i'll do that. i would do that 100 times fold. >> sandra: and now, brand-new transcripts form a jailhouse call suggests that tubs and his dad invented hannah so that tubs could be locked up with those

juvenile girls instead. george gascon is mad. but not at the criminal, he's taking action against the prosecutor on his team who raised flags that tubs might be trying to game the system. shea sauna is now suspended, and he joins us now. thank you very much. people are appalled at this. so, take us through it. >> so george gascon's misguided juvenile policy put a 26-year-old adult male who was coming from prison into a juvenile facility. when i pointed out that james tub was orchestrating his transgender status to game the system, i was punished and now i've been suspended because i misgendered, or did not use the preferred pronoun of a child molestor when notifying upper management they were being played, a fraud perpetrated on

the court and the justice system. as a prosecutor i'm here just to present the facts, get to the truth and do justice. i'm not here to validate a child molestor's feelings, i'm not here to, you know, protect child molestors, i'm not here to enable frauds upon the court and stay silent and because i didn't do those things, now i'm suspended. >> sandra: and now that offender is bragging about his light sentence. >> correct. tubs received two years in a juvenile facility. and luckily kern county came and filed murder charges and took him into an adult men's facility where he is currently waiting to go to trial on a murder charge. if it was not for that county, tubs would be classified as a female and in a juvenile facility. which is unconscionable. it puts everybody at risk,

extreme injustice, public safety risk and then to prevent prosecutors like myself from notifying the court and presenting evidence that he's orchestrating his transgender status, will allow judges to unknowingly sentence or place juveniles in that facility with a sexual predator. >> sandra: as far as the misgendering is concerned, a transcript of the jailhouse call between tubs and the father. this is the call, hey, uh-huh, hannah, the father says, tubs responds huh? the father, hannah, tubs, i was like who? just an example of that. this is also a transcript of the jailhouse call between tubs and an unidentified caller, a conversation with the unidentified caller, so when you come to court make sure you address me as her. what do you believe george gascon -- what is his incentive?

>> he's a politician, not a prosecutor. so he's going to do what's politically expedient. so right now he's trying to i guess garner favor with the trans community but i don't think anybody from the trans community is claiming tubs or anybody is fooled by tubs. the only person fooled is george gascon and even he knows that tubs is not sincere about this transgender status. a year ago he even admitted in the l.a. times that he knew he gamed the system and for him to suspend me for not using the preferred pronoun of a child molestor, i think just shows how vindictive george gascon is about people who speak out. >> sandra: what's next for you? >> i'm going to stay with the office. i love being a d.a., proud to be a prosecutor, i work with great men and women every day, just because we are run by public

defenders does not mean that the prosecutors are not some of the best i've ever worked with. if george gascon wants me out, he'll have to do more than suspend me. call seal team 6 and drag me out of that place. >> sandra: john. >> john: from that to this, millions of student loan borrowers turning their eyes to the supreme court as it hears arguments over president biden $400 billion handout plan. they say exceeded the authority by debt relief to estimated 40 million people, is biden testing the limits of presidential power. let's bring in former trump education secretary betsy devos, just returned from the supreme court where she was in on the oral arguments. a lot of people think this case is about whether or not students are going to have their debt forgiven, but about a bigger principle, who has the power of the purse. congress or the president of the

united states. >> yes, it is absolutely that question john, and it was clear from the line of questioning there's a lot of skepticism about the program that's been rolled out and stopped for this court case. the question is, and the unspoken line of questioning, was has congress actually granted this power. congress had three chances during the covid relief packages to add student loan cancellation to the legislation. it did not. it only said forebearance, just suspending interest payments was ok. so they had every opportunity to speak into it. what the biden administration -- what president biden saw was a politics and wrapped it in a policy and this after he himself said during campaigns that he did not think there was the authority. nancy pelosi said there was no authority. suddenly they seem to find authority but there's a lot of obviously a question about that.

>> john: to your point, wind the clock back to july of 2021, and what nancy pelosi's thinking was about the proposal to forgive student loan debt. >> people think that the president of the united states has the power for debt forgiveness. he does not. he can postpone, he can delay, but he does not have that power. that would -- that has to be an act of congress. >> john: that perspective did not age well, did it? >> no, it surely didn't, and again, i think these cases and this whole issue coming into focus at the supreme court today is really going to clarify what was a very over -- massive overreach on the part of the executive branch, executive authority. >> john: what the white house has been saying from the spokesperson level and the president in recent days about the case. listen here. >> we feel very confident in our legal process here. >> i'm completely confident my plan is legal. but right now it's on hold

because of these lawsuits. >> we feel pretty confident in our legal authority to provide relief to these student borrowers. >> you were there for the oral arguments, heard the questions the justices were asking and based on the political tilt of the court, how do you think this is going to go? >> there are a lot of questions around these modifications and waivers and so forth to heroes act, the biden administration claims the ability to forgive. i found no authority there. my -- four former colleagues, republican secretaries of education as well, we said there is no authority there for the secretary of education to cancel debt like this. you could forebear, you could extend the interest payments for students, but you can't just go wave a wand and massively cancel millions of student loan debts, amounts, and so this -- this question i think is going to soon be clarified and i'm very

optimistic based on what i heard and saw today that the court is going to reel back that executive overreach and that presidential limitation on power. >> john: of course several times in the past decisions from the supreme court have surprised republicans the way they went. if president biden wins this case, madam secretary, really raises the question to what the limits are on presidential powers, and that fact is not lost on nebraska's attorney general, who said if mr. biden's actions are found lawful, you can bet that future republican and democratic administration's will scour old and obscure laws to find dubious legal hooks to achieve. and he is putting it on both sides, the president can declare emergency on whatever he or she chooses and take the purse strings from congress and say we are going to spend money on this because it's an emergency. >> absolutely, and all comes back to the interpretation of the heroes act and are we really

in a national emergency yet, i mean, the emergency is supposedly done in may, but hasn't it been done for months for many people, and in most situations, so again, i think this is an area where the court has a massive opportunity to clarify and where congress's power of the purse has to be underscored and restated. >> john: i know you were stuck in court for a while during the oral arguments because, like a play, you can't leave while the actors are on stage. thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts. >> thanks for having me. >> john: sandra. >> sandra: court in pennsylvania has unsealed a search warrant for bryan koberger's home. what are we learning investigators found in the home? >> sandra, good afternoon. we have a list of what they found in his parents' home in pennsylvania from monroe county

on december 30, 2022. put it up here. includes a flashlight, four medical style gloves, a white arizona jean company large t-shirt, a champion washington state cougars large black sweatshirt. he was a criminology student at the university. black and white sized 13 shoes, interested in the diamond pattern sole of these shoes. a pair of black under armor socks, under armor black shorts and under armor black boxers. they also got a buchal swab, dna samples from inside his mouth and police found a knife sheath at the scene of the murders and were able to recover a dna sample they were able to link with a familial match for another sample taken from the trash at the family residence in pennsylvania. in the application for the search warrant, it's interesting to note they were looking for any materials with blood or

bodily fluids, drugs or medication that could relate to the physical or mental state of the assailant or victims, and any property belonging to the victims or surviving roommates. but the search warrant clearly shows they were looking and they found things that included the medical style gloves, the flashlight, clothing and as well as the shoes that matched a particular pattern, and of course the all important dna samples and swabs they were able to get from his mouth. and of course, the 28-year-old is being held on charges of murder and is going to have a preliminary hearing, sandra, his first one on june 26th. sandra. >> sandra: back in court in june. motive still unknown at this time. and ultimately we know the car they were able to track him cross country that led to him to take him into custody. >> that's exactly right. >> sandra: bryan, thank you for the breaking news, including

medical gloves and a flashlight found in his pennsylvania home there. bryan, thank you. l>> of course, thank you. >> john: it is election day in the windy city and voters are deciding if democratic mayor lori lightfoot should keep her job. chicago's soaring crime rate a top issue for voters, prompting people and businesses in some areas to pack up and leave. even caused lightfoot to change her tune on her push to defund the police. box business correspondent jeff flock is live in chicago with more on the race today. where do the candidates stand on crime? >> we have nine candidates, and their views on this are pretty diverse, actually. i'm in the humboldt park neighborhood in chicago, you see the campaign signs are all out here. yeah, if you take a look at the various candidates, i would say the toughest on crime would be paul valas, the former head of the chicago public schools. he has said crime is out of

control in the city. he asked that the handcuffs be taken off police and says that's what he would do if elected, and he has been endorsed by the fraternal order of police. next in order of perhaps toughness is mayor lightfoot. she has taken a lot of heat for the crime rise that has taken place in chicago during her administration but she says she has been tough, she says her plan is working, and she says, you know, she deserves more of a chance because the other two front runners in the race are even softer on crime. that would include chewy garcia, he's the congressman from chicago, he says the answer to it is maybe tougher gun laws, guns out of the hands of the criminals and then brandon johnson. he has talked about defunding the police, he also says he wants to cut the police budget, he wants to send counselors instead of cops to 911 calls that call for mental health issues. different plans for what

everybody agrees is a problem. the latest numbers, that's just this year, auto theft is up triple digits, robbery theft up double digits, mayor lightfoot points to the decline in murders, though, down 17%. business community, we watch that on the business network all the time, they don't necessarily blame lightfoot, she did not start the crime, but she has not done much to correct the problem either, they say. listen. >> i know what people say i don't want to go to work because there is crime. we work in the city every day, seven days a week. the crime, it's all over the country, and been around for 50 years the west side of chicago and never been addressed. now it's in our neighborhood. >> john, i'll leave you with a picture of the polling place here at the polaris charter academy. a lot of people have been voting. it's a nice, sunny day and a lot of early vote as well. we might not know who the winner

or winners are to the run-off tonight. >> john: looks like a may day in chicago, and not a february day. jeff, a coat off. >> happy about it. >> john: all right. well, you look at the weather there, sandra, and a good day to get out and vote. should be a big turnout, i would think. >> sandra: top issue is crime and the economy in that city and you can combine the both of them, so many of the businesses have said they have had to flee that city because people don't feel safe going to work there, and if they leave, you know, to start a family there, they don't feel safe sending their kids to school there, and they go somewhere else. that city has lost so much revenue, so many residents due to crime, and this is going to be -- this is a huge decision for those residents. those who are still there. >> john: we should find out later today how it's going to go. expected to be a run-off, we hope by the end of the day to find out who is in it. >> sandra: we'll be watching that. the energy department conclusion that covid likely came from a

lab is obviously very significant development in all of this, especially considering the secretive division that operates inside the doe called z division. since the 1960s the group of scientists have studied nuclear, chemical and biological weapons used by our enemies and devoted time specifically to studying viruses like sars and covid. as the national review puts it, this lab knows what it's talking about, but that is not good enough for dr. fauci, still shrugged off the evidence yesterday. >> there certainly is a dichotomy of opinion on that. i don't see any data for a lab leak. that doesn't mean it could not have happened. >> do you think we'll ever know how the pandemic originated? >> might not. it very well might not. we might not ever know. >> sandra: a million americans dead and says we might not ever know. congresswoman ashley hinson is on the new china select committee prepping for a big

primetime hearing tonight, she will join us live next. but jacqui heinrich is live at the white house, jacqui. >> hey, sandra. dr. fauci says that the world may never know the true origins of covid, but china for one thinks that the book is open and shut on that matter after they strong armed the world health organization into writing a report saying that a lab leak theory was extremely unlikely. china pointed half of the scientists who wrote that report also withheld access and information and all this prompted the w.h.o. chief to publicly raise doubts about that report in a highly unusual step. now china has been using this report to swat down findings from the biden administration probe saying the conclusions about natural transmission as the cause "was accurately recorded in the missions report and has received extensive recognition from the international community." certain parties should stop rehashing the lab leak narrative, stop smearing china

and stop politicizing origins tracing. yesterday the white house stopped short of responding. >> there is not a consensus right now in the u.s. government about exactly how covid started. >> china, though, is pretty clearly accusing the biden administration of smearing them and trying to say that this is baseless, people shouldn't believe it, and it's a politically motivated attack. >> i'm not going to get ahead of where we are in the process, jacqui. the intelligence community and the rest of the government is still looking at this. >> members of congress are frustrated the white house is not fully embracing the department of energy findings. >> for the life of me, i don't understand why they are down playing this. it is clear that evidence is stacking up in favor of the lab leak hypothesis and for two years anyone who said that was called a conspiracy theorist and some cases a racist. we didn't allow this to get in the way of us holding the

chinese communist party for covering up the origins of the pandemic. >> they say they cannot run away with one theory, there are four agencies that concluded that natural transmission is the most likely cause and two agencies are undecided. this is all going to surely be a topic of a lot of discussion in the house select committee's hearing on china coming up tonight. sandra. >> sandra: all right, jacqui heinrich live at the white house. john. >> john: ashley hinson, a republican on the house committee of china. we expect the origins of covid will likely figure prominently in tonight's hearing. what do you want to know from this inaugural hearing? >> thank you for having me on, john. we have some serious questions how we are able to compete with china going forward. spent decades truly appeasing

the chinese communist party and it's high time we start competing with them. that's the goal and mission of our committee to get out and tell that story. we have heard president xi's rhetoric, the dream is to be the military and economic super power by the year 2049. that sounds like an american nightmare, our committee's job will be to be in storytelling, fact finding mode, showcasing some of these areas where china has been overly aggressive and has frankly been a bad actor for decades. so, that's what we will start to lay the ground work for tonight. when it comes to covid-19 specifically, we need to get to the bottom of that and i think this administration should spend less time spinning it and focus on the truth. let's find out what intelligence we have, make sure no money is going to the ccp so they are not able to do it again. >> john: in terms of money going to the ccp, it's coming from american consumers, all our stuff is made over there. what do you make of this energy assessment that we are learning

came from the z division, the greatest likelihood it did emanate from the wuhan institute of virology. do you believe what they are saying? >> it's funny and chairman gallagher's comments, people were called conspiracy if they thought it was a possibility. it adds credence to the committees, and also the select committee on the origins of covid-19. i can't wait to hear dr. fauci come before that committee and answer their questions as well but we have some very serious questions about the origin. again, the wuhan lab, we need to make sure that the ccp is not able to do this again. we need to make sure slush funds are not available to send those resources to them. the conversation around american consumers and decoupling is a separate conversation but important one as well. so again, this is about empowering american workers, our workforce, empowering our people and competing with china. and that is exactly what you

will see our committee do. >> john: you mentioned people dismissed as conspiracy theorists if they embraced the lab leak idea. rewind the clock. >> con conspiracy theory going around the coronavirus originated and was perhaps man-made inside a lab in china. >> and then there is this theory, widely debunked. paper from two chinese, saying it could have leaked from two labs near the seafood market. >> weeks ago dr. anthony fauci rejected the virus was man-made, and yet donald trump is still pushing. >> escape from the lab, it sounds like something from a marvel movie or comic book. >> the lab leak theory is plausible, even as john kirby said yesterday there is no

consensus from all the intelligence agencies it came from there, but rarely consensus from all of the intelligence agencies. >> right. i think this comes down to what is china's intent here, and i know that i'm a skeptic, i think it's built in here. i don't trust china. i think they do everything intentionally, so we need to get those answers and get to the bottom of it. the first step is take a look at the intelligence. the white house needs to declassify what we have to members of congress so we can do our jobs. realistically, we are never going to get full transparency from the chinese, but this is about accountability so they are not able to did it again. what happens the next time they unleash another global pandemic. we have to get to the bottom of that, make sure no taxpayers money, not a dime is funneled to institutes that could do this, and again, i would echo what was said earlier about some of the scientists who are paid by the chinese to be on that report. i think we all need to be natural skeptics about what the chinese are saying here. >> john: congresswoman ashley

hinson from iowa, we will look forward to the inaugural hearing tonight. thank you for joining us with a preview, appreciate it. >> thanks, john. >> john: and that is a big question with china. transparency. how are we ever going to know what happened with covid when the chinese have basically made everything opaque. >> sandra: why nikki haley joined us last hour running for president, and she says and has tweeted so that she does believe that covid likely came from a chinese lab and she wrote that op-ed john, pledging to cut u.s. aid if elected president. here she is last hour on this program calling to hold china accountable. listen. >> and let's start really getting our allies together so that we can hold china accountable. the world suffered and china has yet to pay a price. >> sandra: end of day, after the briefing with kirby yesterday, it can be shocking to many that we have gone this loree years, not just out consensus, but a broad understanding where this came from, and you've got the

department of energy now joining on board, cia has not, fbi has, but why haven't we? you heard marc thiessen, where is the 911 style commission to get to the bottom of it. >> john: why don't people care more whether or not it came out of a laboratory, a gain of function research. this has killed more than a million people in the united states and so many more around the world. seems like it might be worth just holding some hearings into getting to the bottom of this. >> sandra: and to suggest we might never know, that's just not good enough for the american people who have lived through this. >> john: i'm surprised that -- i'm surprised a top flight virology researcher would want to know, would not want to know the answer to that. >> sandra: yeah, yeah. >> john: and maybe he wants to know and saying we will never get to the bottom of it, but think you would dig and dig and dig. >> sandra: more on the breaking news from the supreme court, oral arguments just wrapped into legal challenges of biden's

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>> sandra: a live look at the supreme court at this hour. justices just wrapped arguments in a pair of challenges to president biden's $400 billion student loan handout. let's bring in dave reuben, host of the reuben report. they've taken up biden's student loan plan. it's estimated the handout will cost about $400 billion. but it will be a huge test of the limits of presidential power. how do you see this? >> well, i'm not a constitutional lawyer but i have talked to a couple of constitutional lawyers. nowhere in the constitution does it say that the president of the united states, who is in charge

of the executive wing -- he's supposed to sign bills into law. congress is supposed to write them. he's supposed to sign them. nowhere does it say he can wipe out massive debt of any kind. i have 28 years left on a 30-year mortgage. i wish the president could wipe that out but he can't do that either. the bizarre notion here is that somehow that the president should be king and decide who the winners and losers are. the democrat line on this is that this would somehow really help poorer people. but there's plenty of middle class upper middle class and upper upper class kids that go to syracuse at about $65,000 a year, rack up $300,000 of college debt and the president should wipe that away? there's a moral argument but you're talking about the legal argument. i don't see how the supreme court could back this thing. it's simply not written in the constitution.

>> sandra: here's the way the nebraska attorney general is taking this on in a lawsuit against the administration over these students loans. why we're challenging biden's student debt power grab. the president cannot have it both ways. the nebraska a.g. says he can't tell the country that the pandemic is over while claiming that it justifies this unilateral action. and by the way, a reminder of nancy pelosi rewind to 2021 when she said this. >> people think that the president of the united states has the power for debt forgiveness. he does not. he can postpone. he can delay. but he does not have that power. that has to be an act of congress. >> sandra: here we are today, dave. >> i can't believe i'm on fox news saying that i agree with nancy pelosi. hell must have frozen over over here. i'm not sure he can even delay

it. but we know the president doesn't have this power technically. the real question is what pressure will the court face and how sort of liberally will they look at the law. this is a really dangerous precedent. that basically any mistake that you make or not even a mistake, people willingly get into debt to go to college with the hope of getting the good job and accomplishing what they want to in life. sometimes that happens, sometimes that doesn't. if you think the president is the one supposed to bail you out, in general we've become too accustomed to bailouts as it is, there's a real problem here. it will help people that don't deserve the help. i'm personally for equality, not equity, but that would be their argument. >> sandra: many instances, policies enacted by this administration hurt the people that say they're out to help the most. case in point, inflation. that is hurting the lower income earners more than anyone, this is far left democrat ilhan omar today.

backing the president's right to forgive loans. here you go. >> so the question today is does the president of the united states have the power, the legal right to cancel student debt. to that we say yes. >> sandra: to that point, david, there's no question that this can be very politically popular. this is the president that is likely perhaps soon to announce that he's running for president again. >> i mean, it's just a clownish thing that omar did there. she's not saying anything having to do with what the constitution says or whether it's legal or not or whether he has that power. she's basically doing what progressives seem to do with everything. which is we want it a certain way, thus we will figure out a way to exercise power in that manner. she's not making an argument that it's constitutionally legal to do so. she's saying hey, this is what we want and then she gets her

supports to clap like seals. oh, she said yes, we say yes. it's nonsense. we've got to be a little bit more mature when dealing with these things. if this thing doesn't happen, if they don't get rid of the student debt, ilhan omar and the squad and the media will be screaming this is just another reason to burn down the court. so in their way because they want to burn down the system, so to speak, they're going to get a win out of this. either they get the debt relief or they get just more fuel for their attack on the institutions. >> sandra: thanks, dave. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> sandra: john? >> john: yep, so it comes down to that. who as the power of the purse, is it congress or president? the constitution give it to congress but the president is allowed to do certain things with the frame work of emergency declarations. >> john: now this, a pennsylvania school district is considering integrating social emotional learning into its math

curriculum. in other words, involving feelings in the clear-cut study of numbers and formulas. supporters say it will help students develop interpersonal skills. parents are questioning what feelings have to do with math? this comes amid reports that many districts don't have a single student proficient in math. >> sandra: the reason i love math is there's one answer to get to. right? >> john: well, this would sort of eliminate the idea that 2 plus 2 is 4 unless you don't feel good about it and then it could be 4 1/2 or 5 or maybe 3. >> sandra: you know, i love math. i love track and field. there's a start line and a finish line. there's nothing subjective about it. >> john: there's that, too. although that could change. i was horrible at math. i remember my final -- my senior

year, i nearly failed calculus. it was mr. maitland helped me out. >> martha: i could have helped you. i was a calculus tutor. >> sandra: i appreciate that but you weren't around. >> john: you really weren't around then. >> sandra: i love it. john, great withing with you. another jam packed afternoon. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" starts right now. martha? >> martha: hello there, guys. hi, everybody. i'm martha maccallum in new york. breaking right now on "the story," we'll get a first look at bret baier's exclusive interview with fbi director christopher wray, a man under pressure as the country struggles with crime, the origins of covid. we'll talk to bret in a little while, get a preview of that interview, which will come up in full on "special report" tonight. first, the show down that has begun today at the supreme court. they're hearing a very