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policies. she said don't make the city's first black woman and openly gay mayor. and in 40 years. prime sort under lightfoot's watch since 2019, murders jumped 40% and skyrocketed a whopping 40%. a recent poll shows overwhelming number of chicago's say that the cities on the wrong track. lori lightfoot does not attribute to that. she claims she was treated unfairly because she has a black woman in america. she conceded the race after coming in third and failing to advance to a runoff. >> we didn't win the election today, but i stand here with my head held high and my heart full. regardless of tonight's outcome, we fought the right fights and put the city on a better path, no doubt about it. >> kayleigh: that better path, brian, included homicide rate
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the highest in years and 53% of chicago's not feeling safe. >> brian: this is where you lie in a concession speech. and what she said also, did she say 63%? >> kayleigh: 63%. >> brian: the other percentage left chicago. and now, empty stores because it was one of the most beautiful city, terrible winter, but beautiful city and cannot get anyone to rent commercial business peer of the quality of life has disappeared. the cubs even want to leave. this is terrible. no one has performed worse than mayor lightfoot. everything she has touched has turned away. think about her policies. let's only deal with journalists and let's go ahead and give fame to diminish the cops. and she also added the first to believe cops can no longer chase down would be suspects. go ahead and let them go. i feel bad for the person taking
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over come up anything they do will be a positive. in that whole list, no republican. it is time for republicans to try to get back the cities even 20% in 2023. by 2033, if the policy start to visit me, it will be a different deal. >> kayleigh: we certainly hope so. emily, she made a lot of enemies peer at the huff talking persona that earned lightfoot respect from a mayor with exhausting feuds and insults ended her staff and fellow elected officials. former white house press secretary because i called out crime in her city. and rather than focus on the victims and crime commission engaged in the insults pointed out by "the new york times," hey, karen watching your mouth referring to me at the time. >> harris: not the first touch of racist talk there. i was really surprised that since her acumen would become of the merits that she has her
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sailed in on, her hair texture, the color of her skin and her gender. but, you know what, she said the reason she might lose yesterday, and i don't know if you saw her, but six other black people in the race. she should be the only one. so, she has been confused about those issues for a while. i had to go guests on one democrat and one republican and they both agree. a few hours later we found out just to mike just how much peer of the were making it really, really clear they couldn't do business because the shoppers didn't feel safe and having to spend an large amount of money to keep the goods in the stores. those business owners made a huge deal. so the question is did they go for one of the ones up now, or do they go for brandon, the other guy come up farther to the left than lori lightfoot?
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they are that far apart in the percentages. >> kayleigh: it is an interesting choice, emily i do think lori lightfoot had proclivity for engaging in social media and we remember her singing, dancing, and we have images of that that we play. but this isn't a good look and a councilman called her a great unifier and unifying support against her. >> emily: the proof is in the pudding as we saw last night. you started this by how a political rock star. she underscores exactly how and why you can be a political rock star and utterly fail at your job. but it is why americans are so exhausted by politicians. they check certain boxes from the left that the left deems necessary or important. they do nothing in that job. even during her role as her tenure that any form of criticism, even calling her out for abusive emails when she would email a couple times 25 plus times that would get anyone
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in real life land fired. she said it was her race and gender. after her concession speech a reporter asked, where you removed because of your race and gender? and she said "yes." if she cared so much about race and gender would have turned a wider eye to crime given the majority of crime in her city was young, african american men. where were they? where were the champions to support by lip service the ones dying by the hundreds under her watch? so, she has an odor failure, rock star or not, she's done. >> kayleigh: 2020 lunch 90% of criticism is because of race and gender. she told "politico" yesterday, i remember rahm emanuel appearing on the cover of times magazine tough guy for chicago and no woman of color will ever get that headline. >> kennedy: absolutely that is a falsehood to pure the people would love to see the cities succeed. people would like to see her succeed. when the city is safe, so much
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is forgiven. new york city after rudy juliano became mayor 1993, the city was much safer. it took some time but people were like, "yeah, it is a little dirty and texas are high but i can walk central park at night." they don't have that safety in cities and chicago is ground zero for that. she couldn't take care of the aspect of it. from safety follows economic prosperity. those two things are married. the perception you can live, shopped, thrived in the city depends on how people feel. she was not able to deliver that one thing. for anyone else running for mayor in a big city, this is textbook what not to do. when crime has gone up 162% in your town in just two years, the second half of your term, you have done something wrong. it doesn't matter about her immutable spear of the things that matter, she completely ignored. this is how she paid for her political life.
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>> kayleigh: now chicago left with vallas or the teachers union who wrecked the chicago. >> brian: keep in mind it is a political goal to defund the police. >> harris: that is what he said. >> brian: he absolutely set up your the other thing to keep in mind with her is she was the one who went out of her way to turn away from donald trump when he offered the national guard to straighten out the crime. i'm not going to blame that you took over but let me help you. instead of teaming up, she divided, rejected. >> harris: she chose politics all the time. well, but that is her choosing herself. she had to get her fro done in the middle of a lock down and tell people it was important because she was above the law. >> brian: she said the people of chicago expected her. >> kayleigh: in the process much less the teachers union which was really interesting.
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she had this dichotomy worse than mayor lori lightfoot, he could be in control. we saw what happened in a pandemic. the teachers unions ruled the city thanks to lori lightfoot. speed to keep in mind she had half the percentage of 33% was as a leader there. i feel look what we see as an image in portland, essentially a buffet of socialism. i feel like one hurtle down, which is that common sense has prevailed and desperation prevailed but i hope the next step to your point earlier, a show of republicans but the police union endorsed candidate is the one because the lives of chicagoans are on the line. >> kayleigh: april 4th from a big day, vallas and johnson peered coming up fbi director speaking out for the first time. that is christopher wray on that theory and how china tried to stop u.s. efforts to investigate. that is next. ♪ ♪
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>> emily: the lab leak theory once dismissed by the left is gaining momentum as the cause of the covid pandemic. the director of the fbi spoke out for the first time on the topic to fox news bret baier and likely started from the lap incident in wuhan. and also told bret baier it is difficult to work on investigating the pandemics support. speak with the fbi has for some time now said the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in wuhan. here you were talking about a potential leak from a chinese government controlled lab that killed millions of americans. and that is precisely what that capability was designed for and
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the chinese government seemed to best to thwart and obfuscate the work here that we are doing for the u.s. government and that is unfortunate for everyone. >> emily: kennedy come i was grateful for director christopher wray's candor lb had a little bit of captain obvious. but at least he was staying to mike stating what the administration declined to state. what was notable to meet the take away the thwarting happening with the investigation to covid or john so obviously all turns every road, china will confiscate everything about this country. but particularly the investigation into origins and perhaps that is why the intelligence community save the fbi does not have a conclusion if it were originated from a lab. >> kennedy: what i want to know is you have different bodies, different bureaus, agencies who somehow low
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confidence and some high confidence like the department of energy. are they looking at the same intelligence? i don't understand how they come to different conclusions about this unless the conclusions are politically motivated. any time someone says to you, especially someone in power, the science is settled. do not believe them. that is not what science is. science should constantly be challenged, pushed, questioned and that is how you come to the truth. and we were misdirected so we wouldn't really look for the truth. we were told by the most powerful person in the country in terms of health policy, dr. anthony found fauci and enough people that said it was f natural origin and for a lot of people who are sequencing the genome virus patented false and i'm glad this is coming out now and i hope we reach critical mass so he is proven wrong. >> emily: brian kilmeade, the consensus is that it was not intentionally leaked as a bio weapon appear and get that off
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at the table. the reason why it is important for americans to understand whither inadvertent or not is because, number one, sensitive cables as early as january 2018. number two kokomo the whole reaction of the media and this administration to anyone who dared suggest that might be a possibility. >> brian: yeah, number one, monday he doubled down and said natural causes. and we go with the data. anytime he's not using the truth he uses bigger and bigger words to emphasize a lot of that. but the other way, the doctor said the data is totally the other way. i would like to add that the lack of curiosity from the bid. no one is blaming the biden administration for the pandemic. why not come in guns blazing and i have to figure out what's going on. i need some republicans and democrats you are to be the unifier. can you work with us on this? sure appeared prime time and democrats and republicans coming
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together to focus on china as the threat. why is there not a sincere look into it? elon musk was warned by the chinese yesterday essentially back off with your contemptible tweets or else maybe testily loses the chinese market peer that is what it is really about. someone has something to lose somewhere. >> emily: a lot of it is economic. the economic stronghold china has over our businesses and economies is frightening. you were mentioning, harris, notable moments that bret baier had with director christopher wray. >> harris: i thought it was interesting that sort of pressed in on what is classified that you can't tell us versus what you can? and what christopher wray said, it is not necessarily that i can't tell you certain things that are classified. but the police were, they are what we do. we don't want to put it out there in the bloodstream. and i think it will come with time. cahill leanne conway talked
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about this last hour where 20 million dead around the world and million more here in the united states come i think it is time for us to know what we need to know. we are still fighting this battle in some places. the nursing home disaster continues to play itself out among the elderly who are still dying from this, mostly elderly are still dying from this disease. not happening necessarily in nursing homes, but still the target mostly. i want to know come i want to know everything forensically we can know about the origins of the spear that is how we fight in the future. by the way, if they were going to be doing a gain of function and all of that, what else is out there? can we trust them to tell us? look, maybe it was a mistake. maybe it was a mistake. do we trust them next time to tell us it was a mistake if they covered it up this time? >> emily: that is a no, kayla lee. >> kayleigh: i think what brian said is important who has what to gain here?
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what's coming out of the biden administration's total opaqueness. we knew the trump administration, the fact sheet, number four may in fact anyone over 2018, diplomats at the table saying what's going on wuhan institute of virology is troubling. leaving office, gain-of-function research and two worked with the chinese military and the facts and three, some of the scientists had gotten sick what seem like a cove rona coronavirus like symptoms. the state department official told josh rogan we dispute none of that. those are the facts that stand. why when i stood at a press briefing do you come from the department of energy has said karine jean-pierre, she said "oh, i don't have information about that. john kirby said in a function research. yes, he supports that. why are we supporting gain of function why don't we have answers? we have fewer answers than when we left the white house 2021. >> emily: coming up, it appears likely the supreme court
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>> harris: brian was straightening his jacket and busting a move! [laughter] all right. well, the president is definitely not dancing over this because it is not looking great for student massive loan handout or some call it grab our. the majority of the supreme court appear highly skeptical of biden constitutionality in that plan l arguments. their decision is expected to come late june. and according to the national taxpayers union, the total cost of the plan would reach $400 billion. that means each of us as taxpayers would pay a little bit more than $2,500 for 13% of the nation to pay back the money for the loan spirit that is an stand out. meanwhile, teachers union boss randi weingarten had a screaming fit, no kidding about the people
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outside of the supreme court appear and speak with is what upsets me. during the pandemic we understood that small businesses were hurting. and we help them and the supreme court to challenge it. thand the businesses are supreme bill mike are hurting. and the supreme court is challenging it. our students, they challenge it and the corporations challenge at the pier of the student loan lender's challenge it! that is not right! that is not fair! and that is why we are fighting as well to cancel student debt. [cheers and applause] 's be when i think halfway through that, they turned off the microphone. brian. >> brian: it is a microphone, first off you don't have to y yell. and number two, 8 million people eligible for actually $20,000 eligible for a pell grant puritan theory pell grant or the people most needy. what you do is if you want to
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help out, maybe take 7% interest rate and knock that down. but you don't do it if 18-year-old landscaper, and you want to get your own business, you took out a loan as a 20-year-old bartending and society wants to be a restaurant owner. the pandemic kids, who was bailing you out? i think it is time people understand this isn't fair. and uses people midterm elections of the college kids know this the democratic party will back you. he said in the past it is unconstitutional. he knows it does not appear in and these justices in my opinion, why are you giving this to me? you should work together on legislation and i should not be dealing with this. >> harris: it is interesting because biden will have plausible liability because he will be able to say, "i tried. i don't know why the court didn't pass this. the democrats tried to get this money for you." this is disingenuous. nancy pelosi said you cannot take that out of congress.
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a power grab $400 billion out of our money without congress. >> emily: it is disheartening to meet the people that should know that the most from our president, fails to understand separation of powers. >> harris: oh, he understands it. >> emily: let's go back to randy weingartner for a second. we talk about student debt cancellation and we see the most childlike immature, emotional tantrum based fully on not getting her way. in fact, everything she says, she is talking about the secretary of education has the right to do it. actually they don't and that is the whole point. secondly, she said it is about family. it is about protecting family. it is about protecting education. that is exactly to the tune of $8,000 for each family, how does that happen with blue color families? out as help the families legally migrated here and start about and why should they be stuck with someone else's graduate student at? it makes no sense. the legality makes no sense in
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here she is using teacher union dues with student debt cancellation. we can see right through it. i know anyone who once sat and listened to her understands that. >> harris: david s munson from fox news told us yesterday that this actually set the back with national debt. and inflation. that it really deems us to have a country pay 13% of everybody else. by the way, what about those people who did of the right way impeded off? and filed bankruptcy and suffer the consequences and move forward with their lives decades ago? some of these loans are really old that we potentially will have to pay. >> going to school out of state or private. those are not the only options you have. we don't talk to kids enough about trade schools are becoming plumbers and electricians, pipe fitters. >> harris: always have a job. >> kennedy: a lot of people doing those jobs are younger baby boomers and they will
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retire soon. we don't have enough people filling those positions and that kind of is paid for but you are done making $70,000 a year with no debt. tell that to someone who just finished their masters at a film school in the entry level salary is $30,000 a year. two-thirds of the people in this country who don't have college degrees, why should they be on the hook for universities who have no incentive to bring costs down? this only makes them raise tuition, regardless of -- >> harris: talk to me about the messaging of biden up to this point on this issue. >> kayleigh: it has been terrible and first blatant political ploy to get young people that worked midterms, millennials voted overwhelmingly democratic. good from a political stance but he said he didn't have the power to do this but then david's. the major question is what the supreme court is looking at here appear they use this doctorate, congress must speak explicitly to something being done by the
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executive branch to overturn moratoriums under biden. vaccine mandates and environmental regulations. they will use this doctrine to potentially overturn this, which is very good. but let me say randi weingarten going back to politics a moment, she was -- my 3-month-old with his bottle looked wide-eyed at the television screen is this woman is shouting. i cannot believe she is doing this with the nation's children. plaintiff office somewhere and lock this woman in it. when she became a surrogate for terry mcauliffe, not a good look for you guys heading to general election. >> harris: as brian said, you don't have to shout. we will be back in a moment sleg with it, everybody. now i sleep with inspire. inspire? no mask? no hose? just sleep. learn more, and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com veteran homeowners:
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♪ ♪ >> harris: it is the apex of any trial. the closing arguments after put the dip in on the stand which the jury saw last week with alex murdaugh. right now the closing arguments and murdaugh's double murder trial. watch a spirit >> you can't take this and deny what you done under the law. all right? i will go through this quickly because we have already talked about it. just for scheduling come i have to stop so we can all lead. but we will all have a chance to get away from this for a little bit. but i'm going to go ahead and go through some of this that we
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talked about very quickly. gathering storm and alex life. we talked about the legacy and how important that was to him and his family, and how there is in danger because of the case. the criminal charges, the civil charges, that legacy was in danger. it was threatening also to expose him for who he really was, which would totally destroy his part in that legacy. he would lose his career. he would lose his bar license, face consequences like he has never seen. he is also a successful lawyer and a part-time prosecutor. as we go through and talk about the circumstances of this case and talk about the crime scene and the timeline, think of it with that in mind. this is an individual who was
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trained to understand how to put together cases. he has been a prosecutor. he has done complex cases and has done the law. he has given arguments to juries before. so when you have a defendant like that, be thinking about whether or not this individual is constructing defenses and constructing alibis. we talk about his law practice and heard how lucrative it is. i had to struggle to get him to admit he was wealthy, making more than $1 million a year. i will let you all decide whether that is wealthy. but he admitted ultimately that that was not uncommon for him to make that much money on top of stealing on top of that. but the important thing to remember again. i want to highlight this, they
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get their money at the end of the year. and then it is up to them to make it last. that is the big problem that he had. that is why he had to -- if he was out of money in may, he is not going to unless he can borrow it or steal it, he is out of luck. and the hounds were at the gate. all right, we talked about this, he's god, you heard described as intentional chaos. we have the land deals. he certainly has this huge debt load and constantly money coming in. this has been going on for more than a decade, constant hamster wheel. the stress and the pressure of that would be extreme because it's been going on for so long. always having to stay one step ahead of the game. always having to beg, literally
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beg, borrow or steal for over a decade. to have the truth. that has been going on all that time. and his partner thinks that they straightened it out and paid off his debts but he hadn't. millions of dollars he is stealing on top of that. it is not enough to keep the hamster wheel going. so, he borrows and he steals. the methods i mentioned, you have the checks and the fake forge. you have fake business expenses, running the firm harder. and from his family and law partner. each one of these depends on him and able to sit down and look someone in the eye and convince them that what they are doing is
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right for the reality that wasn't happening. and all of those clients trusted him based on this. and we sat there and went through that and it may be exhaustive and i apologize for that, but he couldn't tell you about one conversation that he had that stuck with him. that is how easily it came to him. is that relevant to your concern? that is for you to decide. couldn't name one conversation. he just had that same answer that he rehearsed. and he didn't want to talk about any of those individuals. trust you and look you in the eye and ask you to do the same. down to the bottom, it is not just the clients but the staff. the staff is doing paperwork and filling that out.
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alex's situation i think is a an to a ponzi. ponzis kind of like a pyramid scheme where it depends on new money coming in to pay old investors. it works. it will work for a long time as long as you can keep the money coming in. the second that you can't come at the second you are out of options commit crashes and burns. that is the situation and that is the situation applied in jun. when he was at the scene with the victims minutes before they died and lied to everyone that would listen about it. a battering storm. in this case, other factors that
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were arising, each one leading to that inevitable day of reckoning. we had the trial orders conference where he was confronted. mark tinsley was confronted by lx and everybody is lying, alex but alex is telling you the truth even though everyone that knew him had no idea. everyone! no one knew who he really was. the people who came in here and said, we thought this him not a single person knew who he was. that is how slick he is. but he denies the confrontation and mark tinsley, what are you doing about the boat case? and mark says, you have to pay money to the family. millions of dollars. alex doesn't have that. he's barely one step ahead of the game at this point. he doesn't have insurance
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coverage anymore. or at least i will say why? because his insurance company dropped him after the satterfield case. the insurance company thinks the money went to satterfield but it didn't. i don't know that he hasn't stolen it all but they don't want to ensure him anymore. he doesn't have that to help him pay for each incident. and that is the fairest case. this trial, the verdict februare tells chris wilson that it is a lie. and gets the fees sent to him in march. and spent two months. but the boat case isn't going away and mark says, show us your
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books. i think his testimony was that he probably cobbled $1 million, which i guess that is broke for him. but it wasn't enough. and so, they refused and that is what leads to a motion to compel. there's been a lot of argument about granted or not. what we do know is that mark tinsley said that is what he was seeking to do. he was seeking to do it because he had been told by the defense that he didn't have money. so it is like, prove it. none of us believe that. we don't know about you in this community. prove it. how can he have anybody stand with his financial records? because that account will open right up. you can't have that happen. it will all end and he will lose his career. he will lose his livelihood.
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he will face investigations and consequences like he has never -- like he's been able to avoid his entire life. if he can stay one step ahead. one day longer, one month longer, then he doesn't have to face that accountability that he has to face. the hearing is scheduled for june 10, 2021. and no one here can argue to you that it will definitely be granted. all we are arguing is what the witnesses said that they were intending to do. and as you have seen in court over the past six weeks, things happen in the process starts. once that process starts, there is a conclusion to it. there is a conclusion to that. and then you heard from tony satterfield.
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who got up on the stand and talked about the fact that there was some coverage about this case as we move into the spring of 2021. and we hear from alex and alex lies to him. we are hoping to get this case moving. you saw the text message to that effect when the reality was that it was stolen. how was he going to pay that, ladies and gentlemen? it is millions of dollars. it is millions of dollars. and eventually, eventually, they are going to figure out that this money has already been p paid. the insurance company thinks it is going to the right place. simple questions are going to get asked. that alone is going to break everything.
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the fairest case come with the paralegal finds the expense check in the feed check and part of the story, you have heard the testimony but it sets off that query. so now we have this on top of everything else we are mentioning. this is like nothing he's ever experienced. he's always been able to stay one step ahead of the game but the v boat case, he steals millions of dollars and running out of options and all of these are converging. they are all converging on one week and one day. and that arrives. his father is in the hospital. there is a confrontation with jeannie. and alex tells her to ward off the conversation. he of course, denies that so i guess jeannie is lying too. but that is what she says
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happened. he is working on the boat case. and then the tragedy happens and it worked. it is not the only reason, but it is part of the reason. the pressures on this man were unbearable, and they were all reaching a crescendo the day his wife and son were murdered by him. all on that day. in the wake of this, everything changes. people stop asking about these things, the community has changed. like you would expect. people are concerned, they are scared, worried. everything has changed that guy from the boat case has gone
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away. it is all changed. and that is why mark tinsley thought this case was over. this may seem like really? no one understands that better than him. this is the kind of work he did. his skills as a lawyer or understanding the emotional value of the case. understanding the sympathies of the case. if you have a sympathetic plaintiff and unsympathetic defendant, that is simple rule and a big case. but if those get reversed, those change and all of a sudden you were a dip in at end of the day, it changes it. it changes the entirety the position on this case was for the beach family that alex was going to have to pay money. that is what he told you from the stand. alex could be the victim of unsuspected or random vigilante, the entire case is change. and i'm not trying to demand that level.
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he gets $750. he gets 600 of it and ultimately 750 alone and convinces chris wilson to head off and the main thing he did after this was to make sure he could get that money, enough of it to chris wilson that he would send an email to the law firm saying, "hey, everything is cool." the main thing he did in the wake of the murder of his wife and son was he made sure to stay ahead of the game because he had more time now. he had time that he didn't have june 7th, but he had it now. that is the first thing he did. the first thing he did. it is the main thing he did. was keep the hamster wheel go going. i know it seems like a lot, but you have to consider that under
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the circumstances of this particular man, this particular man has proven over and over again that he will do anything to keep that hamster wheel going until avoiding accountability. he's been doing it over ten years. just finally reached a point that he had never reached be before. of course, the hearing the motion to compel is canceled. going forward with that with what has happened, that goes away. and i think you heard from the testimony that it has been rescheduled along with everything crashes and burns and september. it didn't get rescheduled in the wake of this. you don't have to worry about that either. the potential that had for exposing who he was, the second somebody looks at his account
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and the second his own partner andy henderson looks at his account and represents himself and says let me see him, he can't do that. he can even show it to his own partner. because what is going to happen? they are going to see it, too. you can't let that happen. everything falls apart. he loses everything including that legacy, which you heard from individuals up there is so important to him. more importantly, i'm not going to go through all of this, but this is the timeline. you can see and i will let you all look at that. you can see how this develops. how this hamster wheel continues. how he always has to be one step ahead of the game. we have talked about the red beard and get bad, they get charged off, the bank is still dealing with him. he then appoints russell
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lafitte, the conservator borrows $1 million from the accounts. he goes up a notch. and then he has to steal money from the badger case where he's already making a huge amount of legal fees. he has two pay off the girls before 18 and then there is an accounting for that. and then he opens up a forge account. and it continues. $338,000. 225, he is maxing out million-dollar line of credit. the only way to stay afloat is to beg, borrow, steal. he's maxing out a million-dollar credit. he is stealing money but back to where he was. march 2018, and only $1 million but also $600,000 line of credit. a lot of credit.
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almost like a credit card, maxed out. and then the boat crash happens and 3.7 million, $1.1 million, and then you have the double homicide. this is some of the exhibits. as you recall, there will be statements as evidence showing the defe defendant's assets on june 7, 2021 and the reds are his liabilities. that one is green, but it is negative. and then over here, that is where he was a couple months later. he marked $700,000 and still
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ended up $347,000 in the hole. part of that had to cover, i think of it was called the most generous draft policy ever conceived. in fairness, a $5 charge. but anyway. all right, what else do we have? we talked a lot of things about the finances. and i know there has been a lot of that. that is really the only way to understand all of the things that were affecting this middle aged outwardly successful professional man who had all these pressures upon him. like no one had ever seen. well, he claims he's had a pill addiction for years. what does he say about that? he says it makes him paranoid. it makes him agitated and opioids give him energy. using common sense about that. but he also says any fence at
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this on the telephone interview on the side of the that's common sense as well. we know how powerful opiates can be and the addiction of opiates can be extremely powerful. the withdrawal, not being dope sick can be extremely powerful. but he's also saying he's taking 1,000 milligrams a day. and he's trying to blame all his stuff on that. that's not what these records reflect. they reflect an insatiable desire for money in a hamster wheel that's been going on for a long time, and you don't really see the escalation from his drug dealer until march of 2021. i would ask you also one of the
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tenets of juries is common sense. that's what you are here for is for an individual and a collective common sense. common sense, 1,000 milligrams a day, does that sound survivable? he sat there on that stand and told you that's what he was taking and as we are going to go through this process, we are going to talk about what he said on the stand and how many times on the fly that he looked you in your eyes and didn't tell you the truth. he's very good at it, his own partner said that. he's very, very good at it. i'll leave it to you to decide whether 1,000 milligrams a day is survivable with opiates. and if it was, that you could still engage in work, have a successful practice, and then on top of that, engage in these complex conspiracies to steal and fool everyone and live a
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life and how people outwardly think that you are, you know, who you profess to be in public. if you were taking 1,000 milligrams a day. does that make common sense? i submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, it doesn't. i have no doubt that he was taking opiate pills but i think he looked -- i would submit to you to decide whether or not he looked you in the eye and claimed an amount that's inconsistent with whatever else we know about this man. it's really inconsistent with survivability as a matter of common sense. he could never function at the level he's been functioning, keeping up with that's pressures, one step ahead for over a decade if he was taking that much dope. i would submit to you. just one other lie that i would submit to you is a lie that he's
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