circumstances hurt my wife, maggie and i would never under any circumstances hurt my son, pawpaw. >> and it might not have been you. it might have been the monster you had become when you take 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 opioid pills. maybe you become another person. i've seen that before. the person standing before me was not the person who committed the crime though it's the same individual. we will leave that at that. before announcing sentence on these cases, with regard to all of the other pending cases, are

any of them here? i'm sure some of them are. >> yes, sir. >> half of them? >> there are a substantial number of charges here and some in hampton and allendale, there may be others i'm not thinking of right now. >> we might have worn out our welcome here. i will take this opportunity to thank the sheriff here and all of the court officials and really everyone i've met and dealt with while here in carleton county have just been great. we'll schedule some of the other matters. i know the scheduling is complicated and you sacrificed quite a bit to be able to be

here defending mr. murdaugh, as well as the attorney general's office with all the other many, many things and obligations you have. and to be able to have the attorney general here, allen wilson, for the period of time that he has devoted to being here along with everyone else, it has been quite a sacrifice. but there are victims whose cases deserve to be heard. and this case has jumped some of those other cases, perhaps jumped it because of the -- this case resulting on an assault on the integrity of the judicial system in our state. law enforcement in our state,

even during this trial, the law enforcement have been maligned for the past 5 or 6 weeks by one who had access to the wheels of justice to be able to deflect the investigation and as evidence as pointed out in this case, the looming storm that mr. waters talked about, i can just imagine on that day, june 7th, when a lawyer is confronted and confesses to having stolen over half a million dollars from a

client and he has a tiger like mark tinsley on his tail pursuing discovery in the case involving the death of mallory beach. and having a father, for the most part, on his deathbed. i can imagine -- i really can't imagine -- i know it had to have been quite a dip going through your mind on that day. but amazingly, to have you come and testify that it was just another ordinary day that my wife and son and i were out just enjoying life, not credible.

not believable. you can convince yourself about it but obviously you have the inability to convince anyone else about that. so if you made any such arguments as a lawyer you would lose every case like that. cases you will never have an opportunity to argue anymore except perhaps your own as you sit in the department of corrections. anything further? >> no. >> mr. murdaugh, i sentence you to the state department of corrections on each of the murder indictments in the murder of your wife, maggie murdaugh, i sentence you for a term of the rest of your natural life.

for the murder of paul murdaugh, whom you probably loved so much, i sentence you to prison for murdering him for the rest of your natural life. those sentences will run consecutive. under the statute involving possession of a weapon during a violent crime there is no sentence where life -- a life sentence is imposed on other indictments. that is the sentence of the court and you are remanded to the state department of corre corrections. and officers may carry forth on the imposition.

yes, sir. >> bill: well, that was something that many of us have never seen. that judge, the poise and the thought that he put into his final comments is clear they've known each other for some time and the actions of murdaugh that the jury found were something that he could not understand. as he walked out of there with ccj on the back of his prison jumpsuit that stands for carlton county jail. you have to appeal it and a long

way to overrun this. life in prison. consecutive life sentences from the judge. >> dana: he showed grace and dignity and i think had the nation riveted listening to him decide -- well, his thought process before he announced. he also gave paul murdaugh another opportunity to talk but twice during this past 25 minutes paul murdaugh said i'm innocent and i would never hurt my wife or my child. in the trial when he testified he said i would never intentionally hurt them. that language had changed a bit. now he will go to the carleton county jail but then -- alex murdaugh, excuse me. he will be in columbia at a state prison there. >> bill: there was a moment when murdaugh was on the stand and if you recall when the prosecutor

asked him a question and then he answered it and then the prosecutor gave a brief pause and murdaugh said oh, what a tangled web we weave. he offered it. he was not asked about it. and that was the statement of the judge just recited back to him. >> dana: he said that phrase really stuck with him, the tangled web and asked him about it. that a notice of alibi had been filed with the court before this trial ever got going. the alibi was he wasn't there. they had a hearing about it and imagine the judge now has to sit there and listen when he says actually i was there. the snapchat video proved that. murdaugh said it was lie upon lies. the other thing the judge said to him is that you were so gregarious. you had a lovely family, to go from that to this and the judge is back in the courtroom. let's listen in. >> speaking freely with the media because they've undergone a life changing experience as

relates to many of them. but some of them are here now and i want them to know that should anyone attempt to harass them or annoy them, please let me know and i will address the issue. secondly, there is a complaint now regarding the posting of autopsy photographs, photos that came from within the courtroom. based on the direction of the photographs that did not come from the audience, it came somehow from within the well of the court. the parties have requested an investigation of that.

i have my hands full doing my job and i don't attempt to conduct any investigations beyond the conducting of a trial, but to the extent that law enforcement decides to review that, that's the responsibility of law enforcement. >> we will, your honor. >> and, of course, one of the reasons that we've sought to seal graphic photos is because the parties have the right to privacy and a right to those matters not being publicly disclosed. if anyone has heard about the recent settlement that kobe

bryant's wife just made with the los angeles county and others out there over certain disclosures of information about the death of kobe bryant, liability can be substantial and it's a risk for the most part that's not worth taking. so we'll let everyone judge themselves accordingly with that regard. aside from all that our business is done here in carleton county and i get to use my gavel one of few times during this trial and court is adjourned. >> bill: it was heavy stuff.

trey rick let's beginning with you in the low country yourself. greenville, south carolina. how often is it that you hear a judge deliver what we just watched? >> not very often but i think your viewers need to know cliff newman lost a son not long ago who was the prominent, well-known lawyer in south carolina. so of all the trial judges in the state that can feel the loss, the finality of death, it would be cliff newman. if you know anything about him, bill, you know he have wants the defendant to tell him why. the jury has already spoken. so for alex murdaugh to insult the jury, insult the process was a really dumb thing. the good news for him he would get life no matter what but i don't know, cliff may have run them concurrent but for the fact that alex murdaugh continues to lie and therefore he got back-to-back life sentences.

>> dana: bill holloway we haven't had a chance to hear from you yet today. tell us your thoughts as alex murdaugh then is now back in jail and now for life. >> great to be with you, of course. my thoughts, my goodness, i've got so many because i can relate to this. i'm a member of a legal community and i'm privy to a lot of the things that happen socially and that they never really talked about outside the legal community. i felt a lot of that coming from the judge here. he is just quite frankly dismayed. one of the things that strikes me in this trial, guys, is that look, everybody who is in that courtroom and saw this defendant's testimony in person, the jury and the judge, none of them appeared to have believed him. in fact it seems he dug himself a much deeper hole. a lot of us on the outside said as far as defendants when they testify maybe he did okay. we were dead wrong, the people

that were in the courtroom read this and i think it was probably a mistake for them to do that jury view because the jury got out there to that house and moselle and said if you have all of these -- all this gunfire, not one but two blasts from a 12 gauge and 4, 5, possibly shots from a high-powered rifle how could somebody at that house not hear it? his testimony and statements about not being there and being there but not hearing anything, that went nowhere. the jury certainly the judge was not buying what alex murdaugh was selling and it cost him not one, but two as we heard consecutive life sentences. he will never breathe free air again. >> bill: before we get to jonna i want to bring in paul morrow and your initial reaction based on what i thought was quite an extraordinary message delivered on behalf of the judge as trey pointed out he was trying to get

to the why and murdaugh wasn't going there. paul. >> yeah, i think first of all the sentence is unsurprising, right? the judge seemed to be signaling along here what he said the evidence was overwhelming, etc. also the rulings were going against the defense consistently. so the judge saw it right through this. i think the real dispositive moment in this trial the judge just alluded to, which was we started the trial with the defense essentially asserting that alex was not anywhere near this scene and then ultimately it comes in under the mode of evidence all the character stuff but the video comes in showing that he was at the scene. why is that so dispositive as compared to some of the other lies that he told? because that lie developed during the trial in realtime. it starts out the trial starts out with the idea that he is not there. that's their assertion. then they have to call this audible because this video is so

compelling people said that's definitely his voice. the defense says we have to change tack now and change horses as the judge put it. now they have to put him on the stand. they hear from his mouth actually it was me. if you are the jury you say wow, this guy just lied to us, to our faces. not like we're hearing he is a liar because he lied to his wife and clients. he just lied to us. i this i the judge felt that way and clearly the jury felt that way. from there it was a long way to an acquittal. >> dana: your reaction about the judge and his demeanor and how he conducted the ending of this trial? >> a word occurs to me which is hard to say. solemn, someone like solomon. i felt he was very measured and assured. i think he conducted this sort of trial with great dignity. there are going to be defense attorneys who disagree, felt like he gave too much latitude

to the prosecution. that will potentially be the basis of appeal. abusive discretion by letting so much of the financials in, etc. but i this i the jury verdict bears him out. his demeanor and the way it was conducted and the fact we all got to sight, right? it was televised. it is not only a win down there, it is a win for the american justice system. we should feel good about it. >> bill: his son was brian newman died january 7th with a blood clot in his heart just to follow up on trey's commentary there. jonna, what do you think now? >> well, i would like to weigh in on the judge. that was eloquent and thoughtful. i got the sense when he was reading the sentence he would have that same conversation with alex murdaugh if he were alone in a room with him and none of us were there. he really did care. he tried to elicit a confession

from him but obviously murdaugh can't do that. as the judge said there absolutely will be an appeal in this case and alex murdaugh can't really explain what is in his heart or maybe not. he is still maintaining his innocence. one of the basis for the appeal judge newman allowed all the financial evidence for a trial within a trial. that is problematic down the road but could be a benefit to alex murdaugh. >> dana: what really turned this case seems to be the change in the alibi. so that doesn't have anything to do with the financial crimes brought up in the trial. >> you know, this is something that i think i told you before maybe speaking off line. the prosecutor was right to go after this right out of the gate but even before that, the defense counsel should have come out in opening statement and

clearly said to the jury that he lied. they needed to go ahead and get that out of the way to sort of steal the prosecutors thunder and not waste the jury's time. and if i fast forward to yesterday to the end of this trial, now it is all starting to make sense how we got a three-hour verdict after a six-week trial. very early in this case the defense lost the jury. they lost credibility with the jury. the jury basically heard what they had to say but gave it no credit because they lacked credibility. if they had come out of the gate saying yes, he lied to law enforcement and you will understand why by the end of this trial, maybe they would have had a chance. but they didn't do it that way and it makes me wonder, dana, if he may have been a little bit dishonest with his lawyers. this is something that i think should have come out very early steal their thunder and get that out of the way so the jury can

consider other things that might be helpful to your case. >> bill: at one point we were told his lawyer, well-known throughout the state of south carolina, didn't want him on the stand. if that's true then alex murdaugh talked him out of it. you were just going somewhere with this judge a moment ago. and what the judge said you were talking about the judge has a history of wondering why. tell me why. and perhaps he was even looking for a measure of forgiveness on behalf of alex murdaugh because the judge said with the drug addiction it might not have been you. but he wasn't even willing to go that far. >> well that's the way to reconcile all of this. people like symmetry and when it all fits together. alex murdaugh said i would never either intentionally hurt maggie and paul. i'm sure in his mind it wasn't him that did it. remember, it was the drugs that caused this selective paranoia,

selective amnesia. if drugs can cause you to have selective memory can it also cause you to pull the trigger? i think that was cliff's way of trying to reconcile it all. bill in the interest of full disclosure, my daughter was a temporary law clerk for cliff newman and sat with him so i'm very familiar with his sentencing process. he gives you ample opportunity to explain why it happened and offer mitigating circumstances. i don't think it is going to matter. this guy would get life no matter what but cliff did a beautiful job of pointing out the difference in my state. he did it subtly but you have an african man presiding over a prominent white lawyer in the same courtroom where those roles were reversed for a long time in my state. i thought cliff showed great grace. i will put everybody's mind at ease. this case ain't being reversed on appeal on 404b.

the defense opened the door and the court of appeals and the supreme court ain't going to reverse this case. >> dana: what about the first responders, the police, the investigators, and how they did leading up to this? >> so when you are really deep in a hole as the defense you attack the police and you attack the process. and the police work here wasn't impeccable but you know what? i never had a case that was perfect and never lost a case at trial. so you have to consider that. they did mark them up a little bit. discrepancies between one of the testifiers what he said in grand jury and what he said at the actual trial and so, you know, that puts the liar hat on him and sometimes a sidestep to well, if he is lying all the police in this case are lying. he is the problem with that. if you are going to do that you have to say the police are lying then what did really happen? what's the counter narrative? right. they never -- the defense never

managed to put a picture in the minds of the jurors in their heads of what did occur if it wasn't alex murdaugh. my theory on that, they tried to put a toe in the water in the narco world. they started playing with this idea this cousin eddie was vofrld and in the oxy world where alex was getting his oxy. this could have been a cartel hit. you felt it starting to go that way. that door got slammed shut when the judge said if you play with that we'll reverse and i'll reverse my earlier decision the suicide attempt which cousin eddie did is coming in. they got their fingers burned on that. the other problem with that is oxy is not a cartel drug. that's a pharmaceutical. doctors and pharmacists are the ones who take the collars on that. it was a bit of a canard. the jury saw through it. the judge slammed the door and they never managed to develop the counter narrative that the

police blew it and something else happened. >> bill: thank you all, wow. paul morrow and jonna spilbor and phil holloway. the judge said your family controlled justice for over a century in this part of the state. so go ahead. we have the fate on murdaugh and we'll see if he can file an appeal. right now you look at two consecutive life sentences behind bars until the rest of your natural life. >> dana: thank our guests for being here with us and watching it and we'll have a lot more after these quick words. >> good morning, your honor. i'm innocent, i would never hurt my wife, maggie, and i would never hurt my son, pawpaw. thank you. thank you. x refund of up to $26,000 per employee. all it takes is eight minutes to get started. then work with professionals to assist your business

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>> murder of your wife, maggie murdaugh, i sentence you for a term of the rest of your natural life. for murder of paul murdaugh, i sentence you to prison for murdering him for the rest of your natural life. those sentences will run consecutive. >> bill: that from a moment ago. take you outside the courthouse. microphones are set up and conducting a press conference. we expect the attorneys for the defense to speak but let's drop in now. >> there are no winners today. i have a truly humbling responsibility as being chief of sled. i lead a dedicated and professional group of

investigators, forensic scientists and support personnel. a staff that workday in and day out for days just like today to bring justice for victims. and today is not the end. it's the next step in a long road to justice for every person who has been victimized by alex murdaugh. alex murdaugh has been rightfully found guilty of murdering his wife maggie and paul. he was found guilty because he was guilty. and as one of the witnesses said, paul was a little detective. this case serves notice to anyone who aided or assisted alex murdaugh in committing any

crime that justice will result. this was an incredible effort by sled, our local and federal partners, and our partners in the attorney general's office. i want to thank attorney general wilson and all of his prosecutors, parra legals and support personnel as well. they did a fantastic job. the agents and prosecutors working this case sacrificed countless moments from their own families to insure a person responsible for the murders of maggie and paul was fairly tried and brought to justice. the people who work this case do it because they are called to serve. they do it to bring a voice to the voiceless and they are

dedicated public servants. for that i'm grateful. sled agents have worked tirelessly for the past 21 months to insure justice was served for maggie and paul. it is impossible for most people to understand the countless hours of hard work that went into this case. time away from families, missed birthdays, missed holidays, and it is all done under constant scrutiny, constant pressure. i want these folks standing behind me and around me to know how incredibly proud i am of them as chief of sled. i believe firmly in this

criminal justice system that we have. and i believe in the rights of an accused to have a fair trial. that is why i have remained silent from beginning of this case until now. again today i'm here to provide a voice for maggie and paul. i'm here to recognize the heart wrenching journey that family and friends of maggie and paul have endured. and i'm here to support and thank again this incredible team of agents, forensic scientists and support personnel that work at sled and that worked on this case. yesterday and today justice has been served. thank you. [applause] >> bill: so that is the representative from the south carolina law enforcement

department also known as sled and what he said there is that paul was a local detective. he got the snapchat with the voice captured on it that the defense and alex murdaugh his father never knew until april of last year. >> dana: we were talking while they were speaking there. this community has had a seismic event. the murdaughs had been part of the legal community, as the judge said in the case, basically ran the county's legal system for over a century and they were the murdaughs were a pillar in the community and now as the judge said he went from lawyer to witness and now convicted murderer. and he will serve two life sentences consecutively. >> bill: phil holloway is a defense attorney. we're waiting on the two defense attorneys. what will they say? >> what they ought to say is

they apologize to sled because they came out and in the closing and outright accused these people of manufacturing evidence. so i'm glad to hear that sled has decided it is time to come to the microphone and say we worked hard and proud of our work. it is a big deal to accuse law enforcement like that especially if you don't have rock solid evidence to use to back it up. to the extent that the defense did a really good job during the case i think that was a mistake. didn't sit well with the jury and me and i know it didn't sit well with the prosecutors and law enforcement personnel who worked so hard on this case. they might ought to start with an apology to law enforcement. >> bill: we'll find out in a moment. >> dana: what might they say about the possibility of an appeal. the judge said they will expect one. is this the time the defense would say something about it? >> i'm sure they'll appeal.

the appeal will be sometime off. they have to prepare a transcript and that in and of itself could take -- potentially months or years. this is a six-week trial and they have to prepare all the testimony and put the record together which includes all the exhibits. so that will take a long time. there will have to be appellate counsel its hired or appointed. one of the things an appeals lawyer has to do is evaluate the work of the trial counsel and so if the trial counsel's efforts were ineffective in some way a new lawyer, a separate lawyer has to make that claim and press it on appeal. there is always an appeal. at least one round if not more. we know there will be at least one. like was pointed out by others all the rulings by the judge. not just the other crimes or the 404b evidence but every ruling he made against the defense, those will be under the micro scope and potentially part of any appeal. >> dana: interesting. bill holloway, thank you. >> bill: one more chapter to be written for today, however.

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families stationed at camp lejeune from 1957 to 1987 were made seriously ill from the bases' contaminated. service members have still not received help. >> peter remembers his time at camp lejeune in north carolina as a marine in 1984. >> it was either the hose or the water fountain. that's pretty much how you cooled off after the runs. >> everybody needs water. you guys especially on that base. >> everything resolved around the water that was on that base. >> he believes it with as the contaminated water that permeated the grounds of camp lejeune since the 1950s that caused his cancer and hepatitis. >> the hurt that i feel inside with regards to what they did is

just really -- >> you feel betrayed? >> i don't understand. we're all marines and serving the same flag. >> according to a 2014 cdc report it was due to waste disposal practices of an off base dry cleaning firm. romano has joined one of multiple class action lawsuits against camp lejeune. congressional budget office estimates pay-outs to claimants will amount to $6.7 billion through 2031. san diego based attorney is part of a legal team representing the plaintiffs. >> you have hundreds of thousands of marines and their families going through that base during this time, all exposed to this toxic water. >> patricia and her husband who was a marine corporal moved to camp lejeune in 1970. decades later she developed bladder and kidney cancer. her husband had bladder cancer as well despite no family history on either side.

patricia got pregnant with the couple's daughter, jody while living on base but moved before she was born. jody recently developed carcinoma and has been told it is a terminal prognosis. >> when you become overwhelmed with guilt over the fact that why is this happening to my daughter? let it happen to me rick not her. >> i don't want her to feel guilty. that's where my dad was stationed when this was happening. >> the navy started to make contact with some folks but no one has had any claims settled. >> bill: what a story. thank you for being on that today. >> dana: really important story. i'm glad we were able to get that in. quite a week, quite a day. >> do we end on a high note? >> a family in southern california looking for their missing dog. he was gone for 17 days. thankfully someone spotted him on a ring door well during a

snowstorm. dog lovers caught him and returned him to his owner. he is super happy to be returned to his family. >> bill: 17 days is too long. >> dana: 17 minutes with my dog. complete and total panic attack. at least there is a good outcome there. >> bill: have a good weekend. >> dana: happy weekend to you. my mom is here. harris faulkner is up next. here she is. >> harris: breaking news that we'll cover as soon as alex murdaugh's defense team steps to the microphones is what we begin with. he was just given back-to-back prison sentences, life in prison. 30 years back-to-back for one of south carolina's most prominent attorneys alex murdaugh. now he is wearing a prison jumpsuit found guilty on all counts for murdering his wife, maggie and their youngest son, paul, in june of 2021. i'm hair use faulkner and you are in the faulkner focus. the trial took more than six