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>> jesse: he still says he didn't do it but a jury of his peers disagree, alex murdaugh found guilty of murdering his son, paul and wife, maggie and sentenced to life in prison. a stunning fall from disgraced attorney and only practiced law in tiny south carolina but they were the law. that is until alex went from lawyer to defend her. the judge tearing down that dynasty. >> your family, including you have been prosecuting people here in this courtroom and many have received the death penalty. probably for lesser conduct and the question is, when will it end? when will it end? and it has ended already for the jury because they have concluded that you continue to lie and lie throughout your testimony. >> jesse: the judge had this

chilling, actually warning for the convicted murderer. >> i know you have to see see pl and maggie during the nighttime when you sleep. i am sure they come to visit you. and i'm sure -- >> all day and every night. >> jesse: na in the end it was the team that got brought up. one juror said this put him directly at the murder scene and sealed his fate. >> so we started delivering and pretty much talking. and about 45 minutes later after all of our deliberating, we figured it out. >> did you feel like he was a liar? >> a dead liar. >> jesse: but this is not the

last of murdaugh. his defense failing to appeal and take it all the way to the supreme court if they have to. and also the matter of money he stole from the law firm. he faces 700 years in prison for that. all right, greg, the jury said it right there he was a liar and a good liar. that is good enough for. >> greg: it has to suck being the remaining son. if i were him, it would be right now changing my last name, something less inflammatory like bin laden. it kind of sucks in a way because he got a life sentence and within that phrase is the word life. with psychopaths they can adapt to anything, right? he will get three meals a day. he will get an hour of sunlight. his wife and kid are dead. a life sentence, i don't think people understand that is not worse than death. sociopaths, psychopaths, they don't want to die. he should get the death penalty.

o.j. simpson chimed in and i don't know if you sold out but a possibility should have been equated but he is the expert from ic, cnn replacement for jeffrey toobin right there. but i did realize how awful this family is. i didn't realize he what i mean if you are around that family, 50% chance of being murdered. so many untimely, mysterious deaths. when they make the clintons look like the cleavers, hillary is like looking at this, "boy, that guy has game." i thought the judge was really good except when he said, he said, "maybe you didn't kill h him? maybe you kill them on drugs." you don't claim drugs, you blame the person and you blame that person, the people that do drugs that don't kill their families. but it was almost like a partial exoneration like maybe it wasn't you. you were in the thrall of this

demon. and the only person i feel bad for is judge jeanine. she bet tyrus, did you see that? she bet tyrus her house it would be a hung jury. so me and tyrus headed up a u-haul and we are going after 5:00 to get his weight stuff. >> jesse: your thoughts on the verdict and on the sentence. >> kayleigh: to your point about life sentence being a walk in the park. this is a transcript of buster. man, i hit 9 out of 11 games on a sunday. programs my won. so he will be well fed. >> greg: that is the point. he wants to have fun. >> kayleigh: he will be just fine. but i would say there is reasonable doubt in this case. it is shocking to me 45 minutes the jurors came to that conclusion. reasonable doubt there were brown hair strands and maggie's hand.

why wasn't dna tested on the bodies? they didn't believe as a motion but i believe with the judge a hung jury because of the emotion i saw, no mother or father wants to think about someone killing their child and wife might but apparently the juror said there were no tears come a lot of's not but no tears. >> jesse: i think we actually have that. let's listen to that. >> i didn't think much of him, i didn't see any true remorse or any compassion or anything. >> he cried a lot on the stand. >> he never cried. >> he never cried. what do you mean by that? >> i saw him close up. >> did you not see tears? >> how do you know he didn't cry? >> because i saw his eyes and i was this close to him. >> jesse: you know, kaylee when you see it through the tv screen, it is a lot different when you're jurors are in the

courtroom you get a different take. >> a lot different and we covered this during the day his face turned red and he touched his face. it looked like tears and certainly slide in that way but it doesn't appear it was pure this will be appealed but interestingly we want to take it to the supreme court and they have a federal question and point to the doyle case, he wasn't silence so good luck with that. >> jesse: why don't they have the death penalty in the situation it is south carolina, right? >> jessica: it is south carolina and katie is the lawyer at the table so i will concede my time. >> jesse: we don't have to pretend to be lawyers here. >> jessica: i'm against the death penalty and i do think locked in a tiny box the rest of your life whether sociopaths or not. he will just be sitting there in his true self. >> jesse: you can't get boxing in prison at all at all. >> jessica: not 60 but maybe one or two.

i don't know about the death penalty for this but i think the point of this being a show is really relevant and the and affect netflix show came out last week which definitely as it was being televised really hyped up the attention to it. it was the number one show. i think to your point, greg, people got a feeling how terrible all these people were. so, paul-paul, who killed mallory, the young girl on the vote, his best friend's girlfriend went flying off and crashed that boat and the most powerful part of the netflix special relevant to the story's manipulation of every generation of this family in the hospital. so the grandfather, alex, and the sun all playing defense going around to different hospital rooms manipulating children and their parents and will represent you and then trying to pin it on another kid that he was driving the vote.

boat. you know people are gross to the pond when they are doing that. the beloved housekeeper that raised the kids pushing her down the flight of stairs and selling the money. they had no idea a benefit taken out on their lives and suspected murder was his name someone who was allegedly involved in a homosexual relationship and that kid no justice for that family. and i would recommend it, no investment in netflix, but it does see to be played out like that did make a difference to me for sure. and i thought it was very good although some people do cry without tears. >> jesse: show was now. >> jessica: i'm actually crying. [laughter] you never know what is happening. i'm not an actor or a lawyer. >> katie: my perspective on who this person is is that he thought he would get away with killing his wife and son.

it has been untouched like nine months before. actually investigated and he didn't think anything would happen as a result of this. when he stood up there in front of the jury acting it out arrogantly thinking, "i'm a lawyer and cannot strategize he's people in it my way through this, these are stupid people who are lesser than i am. i'm a prominent important person able to get away with all these things my entire life, my family name is worth a lot more than these people's opinions." it didn't work. sitting in the courtroom, those people listen to the facts and visited the crime scene and came up with a conclusion not only was he guilty but big ask for days on the stand was a big lie. when he did that to the jury, they don't tend to have much doubt about the crimes he committed. >> jesse: well said. coming up, democrats are going nuclear on joe biden after he pump the brakes on d.c.'s carjacking bill. ♪ ♪

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>> kayleigh: joe biden siding with republicans on crime and a massive flip-flop. it's got liberals melting down the president blocked washington, d.c., washington, d.c., from enacting a law that gives free reign to criminals by reducing prison sentences from everything from carjacking to nonrobberies. that makes sense. biden is on board with state dz but aoc is not buying it. she twitted this, "d.c. has a right to govern themselves like any other state or municipality. if the government support statehood, he should govern like it." one house democrat let loose after men at the party voted to let the d.c. crime law go through because they thought they had biden's backing. they text a reporter with this lovely quote, "the white house mess this up royally. karine jean-pierre seems confused on why any democrat would feel like they got that." >> we opposed it but there was

no veto. the way we see it, this is coming to the president's desk. this is not a legislation he performed. d.c. is not a state even though he supports statehood and he had to make a decision. look, again, we let the process move forward in congress and we felt this was the time to make that decision appearance before you know, jesse carjacking's up 111% and the liberal logic is let's lessen the penalty for carjackings. >> jesse: sure, the story is confusing to me but let me see if i got this straight. biden is less crazy than d.c. why are we doing the story? it makes him look good. we should have been something else. the city council is the root of evil in this country. that is not an overstatement at all. because ariel balser is a kook. mariel bows her head to veto this legislation. how crazy is that? so they are getting rid of my

vittoria and the judge has no discretion. you will basically get ten or 15 year sentence. it just wiped out all mandatory minimums in that city. so you are basically emptying prison. the democrats on the house a lot of them voted for this. they say they are not for defining the police so they are for emptying the prisons because that is what this is pure to explain it to me, if you have primarily black say the mdc and you have primarily black city council, why is the city council passing bills that are against the best interest of their black constituents? do you think black d.c. residents are clamoring to enter the prisons? why would they do that? are they assuming the constituents are criminals and they will like soft sentencing? i still have not understood where they are doing this. >> kati>> kayleigh: and first administrative statement, we may veto this and all the sudden about-face.

do they see the light or is it politics? >> jessica: it is always politics, but it brings us back to how joe biden up won the nomination that actually political instincts from decades past are better than a lot of democrats today. so come if you go back to the debate, can't have an open border. he said we can't defund the police. i would never support defining the police. we can't have medicare for all, we can have a public option but we are not wiping out the private insurance companies. guess what, he overwhelmingly won the primary and two general elections running on his political instincts. so, when you see a lot of these bills to lift for the democrat party, they are not usually coming from him. canceling student that was not part of his initial plan. he was against it actually. a am saying joe biden's compass is actually much more in line with the majority of americans are. >> greg: we are desperate because he's ruled over so many

times. this is like finally he didn't roll over. >> jessica: i don't think tha that. before he rolled over, katie, he saw lori lightfoot fired and house democrats bear because he was hel house seats picked up by republicans. >> katie: washington, d.c., is not a state. there were constitutional reasons for that they are the capital of the united states of america. it doesn't belong to the people of the d.c. but the rest of the country. people there want to visit have a right to vote for the capital of their country and feel safe without getting carjacked without walking down the street in the middle of the day and having their jackets ripped off of them and stolen from them at gunpoint. that is what americans deserve so i'm glad president biden two-sided for political reasons to veto this insane legislation that is completely pro-criminal. when it comes to the end game though, the fact the left is reacting to this comet proves they are willing to, again, they

end justifies the means. if we are fine with increased carjackings, which we see everyday in washington, d.c. dozens of them. a week as long as we get our democratic state for political power and purposes. they are willing to sacrifice innocent victims for the sake of political power. that is why they are freaking out about this. >> nomex before the progressives are freaking out about this, greg, now stands, sounds like you. >> greg: d.c. is not a state. i had to go back to what jesse said because i had written this down. do you ever wonder what these people are really thinking? how do they not see the suffering of a crime and the victimization from these policies? and yet, they double down on the policies. and so, you have to have -- what is their reasoning? we are not that much different. they walked on the same streets and they go to the same restaurants, the same gyms. they are friends that have been

victims of crimes. and i pose this question like a week ago. are progressives unable to understand the size of incentives? like if they do not get it, that if you lower these things you create these problems? that is like being mentally disabled. think about it part of being a human being is understanding incentives and disincentives. if you don't understand that, you can't survive. you can destroy a country. but the other option is they do understand but they just don't care. you have to break a few eggs or heads to make that radical utopia come true. >> kayleigh: incentives, political survival seems to be an incentive of the president heading into 2024. good move, biden. president biden commits to east palestine to visit after the toxic train derailment. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> [indistinct] >> i spoke with every official within a mile, democrat or republican. and we will be implementing a lot into the legislature. >> katie: president biden says he will finally visit east palestine a full month after the toxic train disaster. he didn't sit nomex at a time or day but blew up a week ago. but better late than never. in the time he has waited 700 tons of spoil and 200 gallons of liquid collected from the site. health concerns have gotten worse and cleaning up the sides, reporting late getting sick. independent researchers like

toxic chemicals with long-term health risks as they continue at current levels. that flies in the face of officials telling residents everything is safe. speak with those have been tested by the state and given a clean bill of health. i trust the science. >> that air is safe based on the data. we need for the local community to trust the local government if they have to test. spoke with water has been tested and it is coming back with no adverse health impact levels. >> katie: jesse, how are these people supposed to trust anything they are told about their situation and they were told everything is fine and now people are getting sick. they are seeing it firsthand and then they told trust the data that it is okay. >> jesse: you can't trust these people after they have lied to you for so many years. it would go a long way if the

president would go there and put his arms around people and drink some water and say with we will throw as much money are you guys so you don't get sick long term. when somebody says, katie, i will get to it at some point, that means never hear that is like when you say again when is greg going to grow up? at some point, greg is going to grow up. he is never going to grow up! he's never going to east palestine. he might as well admit he's never going. if i was president, this is what i would do. i would visit every place. if there was a flood here, but go to the flood. if there was a shooting, black, white, rich, poor, indian reservations, i would go to the border and i would even go to canada. i would be on the road constantly hugging people, fake crying and giving speeches about how i was going to stand with the people for whatever situation it called for. this guy doesn't do it and that

is all we are asking him to do. the only reason he is saying some point now is because he's been asked about it, what, dozen times by reporters? >> katie: the residents there are not buying it. take a listen. >> how long is this going to take to watch my family slowly dying? they are literally slowing down in front of my eyes. >> [indistinct] i went back to work and i couldn't breathe. >> do i have to wait until i have cancer or my kids are sick are my grandkids are sick before you guys will do anything? that is not right! >> [indistinct] >> i'm begging you, by the grace of god, please help people out. [cheers and applause] >> katie: you know the white house press secretary said they don't have a plan for biden to go there. i would say it is too late to go.

it would amplify he is leading from behind and not even knowing buttigieg went. >> kayleigh: i couldn't agree with you more, way too late. they set up pete buttigieg as the fall guy. and buttigieg, there is a buttigieg world at political pier they are very upset about it. pete buttigieg has taken a lot of bullets for the president on this is what the anonymous buttigieg world said. it is too late to go in the president is supposed to be empathetic. how many times have these heard that? he left out a mom whose two sons died of fentanyl. and the same guy when asked about afghanistan said four or five days ago, the same guy would talk about zoom when asked about east palestine. so we wouldn't expect much more. >> katie: jessica, this is why we don't have trust in local or federal officials. because they have been told that things are safe and they have been told the president's empathetic and cares about the issue have cancer, for example,

and he's m.i.a. >> jessica: so, we can put together a montage of republican and democrat officials all saying it is fine. mike dewine. no, but i'm saying it is important because it has turned into that joe biden is a fake impasse, which i would fiercely disagree with. i don't know how people can trust their government. i think more should show up for the town halls and if you are concerned about the money, which the government always is, what is the cost of relocation until all of these are consistently clear versus what the cost could be long-term for this. if you do end up with a situation where long-term cancers, god knows what happens when those toxic chemicals in your water into the ohio river. that is something that is shocked and we are not talking more about. it does seem president biden if an interview over the weekend

about what the response would look like an epa on the ground two hours after this happened. it is not something neglected by the administration whatsoever. pete buttigieg going is more than elaine chao did when she was transportation secretary. she never visited one single derailment. >> kayleigh: flint, michigan, it would have been there. >> jessica: people in flint, michigan, got ignored for a very long time. to say that what you are saying is basically president biden would only care if it was black people. black people vote for president biden but these are for white people. clearly a lot of people voted for president biden because he cared about everyone. maybe not an east palestine a red state. odds are they did not vote for president trump again but don't do that. i don't agree. >> katie: i think the problem is a lot bigger. i think the problem is a lot bigger because it doesn't stay and east palestine, the river but flows downstream with all those chemicals.

>> greg: i think he is a fake empath. is that what you said? >> jessica: empath. >> greg: he has his priorities backwards because while this is happening inside of her country, he is pushing for this global health equity thing that obligates americans to hand over a fifth of their medical supplies to the world health association. that doesn't mean like when we use his supplies and done, we handed over to them. we are not even first in line. so our health actually become secondary to the global health in which doesn't make any sense because obviously, china has the world health association in their back pocket. it is, again, one of those things, how do democrats or liberals explain the gulf between the passion they have for these abstract concepts like pronouns in an equity and then totally missed the vote on this stuff.

this is america, thousands of americans suffering. but i think politics makes them completely blind to the suffering in front of them. how else does this explain d.c., too, right? they are all on board with his cushy, global b.s. while right here, god knows what is happening. >> jessica: do you think the same goes for a republican president who doesn't go where there has been a mass shooting and he doesn't show up and say, we lost dozens of people to gun violence and let's say a product of racist messaging about the impact of brown people in the country like walmart in el paso or doesn't show up in ohio after a bar is shot up in a bunch of people lose their lives, doesn't go to -- >> kayleigh: but you should come bac back to east palestine. >> katie: "the fastest" is up next. >> greg: yeah, fun stuff. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back, it is time for "the fastest." first up laundry is a pain in the you know what. but what if somebody paid you to do it? a new app called said share is for laundry. people making $5,000 a month for extra cash to wash other people's clothes in their homes. greg, i feel like you would have the most interest in this. >> greg: i would. this would be perfect for sam branton. he wouldn't have to go to the airport all the time. but that's as interesting and raises interesting question if you order food a lot and a site is missing or even if you asked for extra barbecue sauce. >> jessica: do you call and complain? >> greg: no do you call and ask for delivery. imagine if you forget a sock. a socket is equivalent to a side of onion rings.

so, you get your laundry in a sock is missing, what do you do? >> jessica: what do you do, kayleigh? >> kayleigh: i do more laundry. so my little son leaves me with a lot of loads. we have blowouts to deal with. i know that the little boy piece like this. i would never do it despite two or three loads a day. never. >> jessica: i thought you meant the tp. jessica? >> jesse: never mind. >> kayleigh: commercial break. >> jesse: everybody is aching now. everybody has a servant. if you go back 20 years and have people chauffeuring you around and people cooking for you and people doing your laundry, it would be great! this is great! here is the problem, no one knows how to do laundry.

when you take it from the washing machine and transfer to the dryer, you have to shake. my mom calls it the belly shake. you have to shake. if you take the crumpled item and put it into the dryer and you take it out of th dryer committee who wants wrinkle clothing? >> i didn't know about that rule. >> jesse: you don't know about the shake? >> katie: i never have wrinkle close ever. >> jesse: she knows the shake! >> katie: that is how you iron clothes. you see something wrinkled and you take it to the shower. >> jesse: i'm talking about regular cotton. >> katie: i'm not as bougie of as jesse watters. >> jesse: this is not the hallmark channel. >> jessica: up next to young men completing dating feels like a job interview and the reason why they are single. one guy said about a recent

date, "she literally asked me would you rather our kids go to private or public school followed by several more extreme questions about getting married." jessica might feel like you have something with an offensive take. >> greg: rational? >> jesse: the first question out of her mouth is about the kids you are having, leave, leave and go do some laundry. >> greg: sexist! >> kayleigh: i violently disagree but that. >> jesse: on the first date? >> kayleigh: you guys don't commit. >> jesse: first day? >> kayleigh: i'm happily married but my sister, they say guys don't commit. >> jesse: anybody asking me about the kids and where they are going to school and date one. >> greg: those are directly related to the age of the people on a date. the person in their 20s isn't thinking of that but let's say in new york city where every woman is 35 and still unmarried.

>> jessica: literally three married women. >> greg: so when you realize the window is closing, it forces you to ask questions that you might not normally ask. >> jesse: if you are 20 years old and dating 35-year-old women -- >> jessica: i was 28 years old. >> jesse: you should not be dating 35-year-old women. >> katie: questions about long-term companionship send these guys need to grow up. what are you doing? a job interview. >> greg: by the way, they have it very easy and they don't have to call girls up to ask them out. no, call girls up, you weirdo! dad would answer the phone. ten years ago, okay? it wasn't recent! be to fan mail friday is up ne next. ♪ ♪ hey, man. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual.

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>> greg: "fan mail friday," this is a good question. if you could jump into a pool full of something, jesse, what would it be? and don't say hair gel.

>> jesse: jell-o. it would be jell-o. you could eat your way through it. >> greg: that is fantastic. >> jesse: does that sound good to you? >> greg: i don't believe you and i was expecting to same boy on. >> jesse: i am happy i went with cello. >> greg: kayleigh? >> kayleigh: it is happy hour or so ipas. >> greg: that would be great, jessica? >> jessica: at first i thought you had to make sure you didn't get injured but we do want that much of, right? >> greg: yes. >> jessica: probably reese's pieces. i don't know. like a ball pit. >> greg: peanut butter ball pit. katie, how about you? >> katie: i was going to say jell-o but they do mike i thought about it and that would suffocate you. so i say champagne. you would suffocate and cello. >> greg: imagine a swimming pool filled with thousands of kids and you jump in with

kittens. no, they don't die because they are kittens. jessica. all right from sandra, what is your favorite one-hit wonder? single? let's go with you, katie. >> katie: one-hit wonder? >> greg: you know like a song. >> katie: what is that song by billy ray cyrus? >> jessica: achy breaky heart? jessica? >> jessica: and i know you were kidding. i don't know the name of what was tiffany song? that is what is in my head. >> greg: that was done originally by james, i'm not sure. but i think yeah. that is what it was. what are you looking at me for? >> jesse: i was going to prepare my answer. milli vanilli. >> greg: one of them is dead.

yes. one of them is dead! no, i'm not, i'm telling you. a leak? >> kayleigh: i don't know music so i don't know one-hit wonder. i'm going to say george strait. he's not a one-hit wonder. >> greg: my favorite one-hit wonder -- that is my favorite one-hit wonder, "let it be." it all goes downhill. what would be your morning of label? jesse? >> jesse: don't feed me after midnight? >> greg: jessica? >> jessica: something about my voice like, she hasn't eaten a glass or like that. [laughter] >> katie: she's fine, don't worry. >> jessica: my cords are great. >> kayleigh: i would say don't start a fight with me. >> greg: how about this?

>> katie: look sweet, but is spicy. >> greg: do not operate heavy machinery under my influence. yes. what else can i say? "one more thing" is up next. ♪ ♪ lomita feed is 101 years old. when covid hit, we had some challenges. i heard about the payroll tax refund that allowed us to keep the people that have been here taking care of us. learn more at getrefunds.com. [music plays] if your instinct is to help. ♪ then clearly you care. ♪ you have what it takes to be a care professional. home instead. apply now.

stop this high school in nebraska, when the rest of her team quit the squad. she decided she was going to stick it out and compete on her own which i think is awesome. she came in eighth place out of 12 teams and since her story went viral. katrina has been invited to visit the u.s. air force base in cheyenne wyoming after they learned she plans to join the air force. earning her nursing degree at the university of nebraska goat. >> greg: why did they quit? >> katie: she was good. >> jesse: better than the actual team? good lesson. >> greg: there is a whole story. >> katie: show up. >> jesse: did they have covid? >> congratulations katrina. >> jesse: i really like katie and jessica's. you probably guessed it. questioned my motives. >> jesse: for money. chaos.

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