>> harris: the grand jury investigating former president donald trump has cancelled his session for today. the case involves a hush money payment made by president trump's former attorney, michael cohen to adult film star stormy daniels back in 2016. some democrats and the media appear to be cheering for trump's arrest. let's watch. >> are you saying today might not be the day for the

indictment? stop toying with my emotions. are you saying it's not going to happen today. that's not fair to me. >> the timely manner was a year ago. that timeline is 2024 election cycle. >> i certainly hope booking officer is respectful and doesn't take advantage of the opportunity to play some stupid joke. mr. president, this will be your mug shot, so i'm gonna snap the photo on the count of three. okay, mr. president. one -- here we go. one, two -- hit the machine! >> harris: jesse waters gave his take on why some democrats cannot wait for a potential

arrest of the former president. >> right now democrats are setting up what's going to be the most famous picture in american history, donald trump's mug shot. the most controversial president of all time will be the first president to have a mug shot if democrats have their way. "daily mail" reports trump will be indicted tomorrow and arraigned next week. democrats are already drooling. biden is going to use trump's mug shot in every campaign ad between now and next november. it will be the lead story of every network and cable show. democrats will print t-shirts up and put it on bill boards. it will be the most famous meme of all time. once released, it will be the most viral image ever. >> harris: all right. you heard the first line that i said of this hour. we don't know why the process has been cancelled for today. but, emily, we do know some things were already set into

motion. it could be many reasons they would cancel going forward with the grand jury for this day. there was at least one other witness that might be called. >> emily: at this point all things are on the table for why this was cancelled, including a scheduled delay. up to and including the testimony yesterday of robert costello who said this guy, cohen, couldn't tell the truth if you put a gun to his head. he said he went in there attacking the prosecutors. he said they seemed clearly one sided and not after the truth. he testified in front of the grand jury but prosecutors cherry picked information from a packet of 300 e-mails he had provided them. at one point he waved the pack tote the grand jury and said, this is what you're missing. so at a minimum we have a potentially theatrical testimony the grand jury has heard. he was an impeachment witness. we don't know now what happens

after that. again, all things are possible, but it seems likely that at a minimum that particular testimony had a big impact on the grand jury. >> harris: an impeachment witness for michael cohen, because we know michael cohen to be someone who has criminally lied. >> right. michael cohen said i never waived attorney/client privilege. costello said, wait, here it is, here's michael cohen's signature. he said five or six grand jury members were nodding in affirmation as he spoke. this is information they had not heard. the prosecution was not displaying this. we'll see what this means. i hope this grand jury delay. i hope it means they are really taking in the idea of not indicting the former president. i won't hold my breath with bragg. the corner stone of our justice system is justice. you remember how hillary clinton was under investigation for her e-mails.

they came out and said no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. only an unreasonable prosecutor would bring this charge against the former president. the new york times surveyed legal analysts and found according to their research, the new york da's office in manhattan has never brought a charge on a federal campaign violation before. this would be unprecedented. you have to think it would only happen because of the last name of the person they are going after. >> as a former federal and criminal attorney this is important for viewers to understand. number one to that point that was the underlying charge upon which this was elevated to a felony. that's why in part it was so filmsy, yet untested in these waters. over 98% of grand jury convenes results in an indictment. if it does not, it absolutely illustrates what you just said, which is the filmsy nature of this presentation by the prosecution. how utterly preposterous.

>> harris: what's interesting, too, about this for both of you, and everybody really, but both of you on this legal point. when the former da here in new york city, when the justice department and even in his employ as well alvin bragg passed on the initial case many years ago. they were saying similar things about that case. hush money isn't technically against the law in the state. it was already filmsy. that's the perfect word. they then went to this next level, campaign. tried to bring some other things into it. why do all of that flexing? are some of those who are watching this correct when they say this is purely politics? that's been a lot of the drum beat from republicans. >> as you saw in that montage, this is a political fantasia

that some people have been wanting to see lived out for years. this is mueller. this is the january 6th investigation. this is election collusion and russia collusion. it's all of that in one ball. they're trying to now force it into not only a filmsy case, but a case that hinges, and people should make note, on a porn star and a disbarred lawyer caught lying and spent time in federal prison for it. when this is what you're standing this case on, for first time in history, again, with a president of the united states, former or current, i think you've got to go in with better ammunition than that. but the fantasia, the political pressure to get him on anything, get him now, drag him, give him the perp walk. wanting to shame this particular president is, i think, a sought

after wish they want under any circumstances. >> harris: when you say they, you mean democrats who would want this. when i say him, i mean alvin bragg. he knows better because he's already looked at this case. it boggles my mind whether or not there will be an indictment at all. tammy, i see you nodding over there. the idea of politics playing a role in this. does this help alvin bragg even if there's no indictment? if he loses the case, whatever happens, does this help him? >> the democrats are always focused on winning a news cycle. they look at it from news cycle to news cycle. you see all if bad news for joe biden, for democrats. the banking crisis. china's meeting with russia. they're having a party. the world is crumbling a bit. this is a great distraction. it also proves trump's point and the point of many americans certainly tens of millions of them. that our system is geared to go

after people. it's not geared for justice at this point. we want that to come back. we want real law enorder. we want real justice. if they are willing, this is an argument from communities of color, from black men, that the system has a goal and they get that goal and they just move through, human beings don't matter. if they are willing to do this to the president of the united states, former president, they will do it and are doing it to everyone else. now that creates s a legitimacy issue. that's not the case everywhere, but that's what americans are watching. sometimes the president of the united states lies to us. americans know and even the left knows. even chris rock at the mark twain said to a room full of democrats and nancy pelosi. are you guys really gonna do this to trump? because this is gonna get him re-elected. everybody howled. they laughed. it was funny.

it was the democrat washington establishment in washington laughing. everyone knows what this is. so do the american people. >> harris: more notes from our reporters now. grand jury is on stand by for tomorrow. our reporting team has also found a second court source confirming the district attorneys office cancelled the grand jury proceedings for today. the grand jurors were notified this morning and they are on stand by for tomorrow. the source did not know the reason for the cancellation. could be any number of things. or it could be simply nothing at all. could be a scheduled one. >> reminder they meet mondays, wednesdays and thursdays. next time after that they would be convened would be monday. >> harris: all right. let's move on. the interview that's making some headlines today. governor ron desantis speaking to our own piers morgan for a potential run for the white house, next. if you're the spouse of a military veteran,

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>> he isn't a presidential candidate yet but ron desantis is sure sounding like one. while addressing trump's possible indictment, he took a jab at the gop front runner but also accused the moon hat tan district attorney for weaponizing the justice system. piers morgan and he had this exchange. >> do you think you can beat biden? >> i think so. >> are you runing? >> i didn't say that. >> who would be harder to beat, biden or donald trump? >> i don't know. those are two different -- >> that's not an indicator he's running, let's watch another sound bite. >> what's your favorite nickname

of trump? ron de -- >> i like it. it's long. got a lot of vowels. there we go. you call me whatever you want. >> the interview was interesting. we know what president trump's message will be. i have been there. i am a proven fighter, proven conservative, give me another term. desantis politico sums it up, like some people, i'm about results not drama. i win elections. we'll see which method wins. >> all of this is a test for desantis. you're in florida. he's got good control of that state. he's doing a good job there. interestingly, the media tries to bite him sometimes but there isn't much. there's not a lot of pressure there. the system has not been pushed against him. so we've had a comfortable

environment. the issue becomes when you're faced with these kinds of question, who you become and when the pressure does come. they can't imagine it. they think the scenario in this world has just been made for trump. none of that would ever happen to him. so we don't know how he would respond. the debates will matter. right? in order to beat the democrats, you do have to beat trump. if you can't beat trump, if you need him removed, then you're at risk when it comes to beating the democrats. but in the debate. rick perry showed this. he said it is a very good example. rick perry was going to save the party. i think it was the first debate. he crumbled. there's a difference between when you're in an interview and when you've got a press conference and press releases and he does deliver. president trump delivered. there's also though a difference in style. we saw the style work when it came to reforming the country. best economy in the world. dealing with the bad guys around the world. so that is an incredible

achievement. i'm looking forward to everyone running, to see who can stand up to it. that's the test. who can keep this country from failing but also who can lift her back up to her rightful position? >> there's a difference when you have one microphone versus ten that you are screaming over. i think i know why desantis is counter punching. you can allow an opponent to define you. we see president trump beating desantis by 14 points. what this is is a major improvement from last month when they were tied. last month's tie, now leading by 14 points. the difference is trump has been punching. desantis has been on the side. >> tammy is right. ron desantis had a cake walk in florida. he is a very competent governor. he is a very good man. you see the family around him. he delivered florida through covid and drew millions to his

state. there's a reason people are going there. that track record will bode him well as he goes into a presidential campaign. the question remains, does he have the performance chops and the fight to take it to trump in a way that doesn't alienate the maga people. this is a difficult balancing act for ron desantis. he has to show what a good manager he's been in florida. saying it without drama is a little bit of a stretch. there was the disney thing. on the other hand, you have the question of, what i call the michael corleone shuffle where he defended trump while stabbing him over that. i don't know anything about a porn star but -- >> i found that cheap. i like ron desantis. i found that cheap. >> what you're summing up is when he basically came out and said, i don't know anything about hush monies and porn stars. it was a little jab. this potential looming

indictment has really put let's say pence and desantis both on their heels. they've both been critics of trump. but it's forced them to defend him in some way. >> i'm taken aback at the idea of indicting a former president of the united states at a time when there's a crime wave in new york city. the fact manhattan da thinks indicting president trump is his top priority i think this tells you everything you need to know about the radical left in this country. this feels like a politically charged prosecution here. >> there's a lot of speculation about what the under lying conduct that is purported to be it. that's outside my wheel house. that's not something i can speak to. i hope it doesn't come to where you end up seeing this going forward. if you are a very strident prosecutor. you're going to go after somebody on the other side for

some novel offense. that just does not inspire confidence. people see that as weaponizing the justice system. >> harris: it's interesting. they didn't take risks with the answers in terms of supporting trump. that's not what i heard there. what they said is basically taking a look at this almost forensically and say what else would alvin bragg do other than go after republicans when he can't get his own democratic led senator in gear? we say that. we're not running. and other people say that. i think it's interesting that they are at that dance. i love that you liken it to a fight. when you meet trump and you know he was your boss. one thing you walk away knowing about that former president is, he likes to fight. some people get into the fight because they like to fight. i don't know if those gentlemen have that. i don't know that about ron desantis because i haven't seen him fight as har as he's going

to if he wants the republican nomination against donald trump. you better know, he's a guy who's not gonna give up. >> that's right. vice president pence at the gridiron dinner took him on. desantis has. nikki haley is on the sidelines taking gentle jabs. what's interesting to me, have you ever watched professional sports, right? then you compare it to high school or little league. that's where the human effort comes in. professionals make it look effortless. to see, that's what i have seen from ron desantis and his handling of the media. respectfully i disagree in i don't think the media has been playing softball for him. i believe his fielding of it has been quite effortless. the left media has thrown gas on the stove. if trump is getting 90% of the heat, it's less on desantis. the full blown attack they were

levying, calling him racist and trying to erase history, anti-gay, etc. the list goes on. he was fully in their target. it's just that a bigger fish emerged. my second and final take away, what is the most important thing for these gentlemen to understand, who ever wins that primary needs to give full blown support to the other. the most important thing the american voters in the gop party is cohesiveness. no one wants to see their parents fighting. or at the end of the argument they need to come together and say, we are united for your benefit. >> in tone, desantis has to be careful to not conform the trump critique that he's sanctimonious. >> military recruitment challenges and how woke policies may be a major part of the problem.

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>> at a hearing today some republican senators are making the case that the military woke policies are to blame for the armed forces dire recruitment crisis. the hearing comes as america's enemies flex their military posture and just after xi and putin wrapped up a summit in moscow, signing two arguments formally strengthening ties. missouri senator eric schmitt blasting defense officials a short time ago about its preoccupation on progressive initiatives. watch. >> this sort of obsession with this equity agenda that you all are defending here today with just sort of a word salad is divisive. military literally has stood as this most respected institution where people can achieve great things and protect this country. here we are in a committee

hearing when china is mill tarrizing islands. they mean business. we're having to spend time to talk about dod's $114 million budget request for diversity, equity inclusion training. this stuff is nuts. >> it is appalling when i speak to so many of my friends in the military in defense and intelligence agencies under this administration. the amount of time they tell me they spend now fielding e-mails from leadership or in training focused and geared towards these woke policies like being sensitive to those around you and what not. anything but actually securing our nation's security and defense. >> it's remarkable. look at west point. drumming pronouns and pronoun sensitivity into these cadets. do you know what the chinese are worried about? not pronouns. nouns. living and dead. the navy fleet is at an all time

-- china has the largest navy fleet in the world which biden is shrinking our navy. why do we have recruitment problems? because we've demonized the money. we've run down america. when you say the country is racist and that military men are domestic terrorists and should be investigated as such, i'm sorry. that is going to tamp down men and women who want to give their lives to the money. >> you and i are both military brats. senator scott talked about that and that legacy the other day to fox digital. he said my family didn't have much growing up and the navy gave me the opportunity for a better life and better education. it can provide that for so many kids across the nation. but, unfortunately, this administration has made their focus on pushing the failed agenda of the radical left rather than building a lethal force and advertising the opportunities that our military provides and how great service can be for that person's life.

>> harris: it all comes down to readiness. are we ready for the next battle? from what i'm reading we don't have the numbers to take on the largest navy in the world. currently, according to the department of defense we have 337,884 members of our navy. that's not enough. if china decides it wants to take on taiwan, we are still at least a decade ahead of them in some of the technology and all of that. but the fact of the matter is they have more stuff and they have more people. that's problematic. our ships are in trouble. we can't even get them maintained on schedule. we are falling behind. that's just one of our five branches of military. we used to be the nation's 1% just in terms of military. now you add in the families and we're about 1% of the nation. my mom used to proudly call us the other 1%. it takes everybody else in the

house hold plus that soldier, marine, sailor, whomever, to say that we are 1%. we are not big enough. you don't have to be a hawk. you don't need political terms like that to know readiness means in 20 minutes. can you defend us? that's all it comes down to. you need willingness. are we taking away the willingness for people to volunteer to be in the military. not lowering the standards, but raising them by making part of the standards pronouns? >> without that under class coming in, we're losing that legacy knowledge. right? that everyone remembers admiral william, that level of leadership and experience that resounding important stream line from the very top to the very bottom so that everyone joining our military understands exactly what opportunities are out there and understands exactly how to go about securing it. you contrast that as well within this country one of the most

growing populations in our incarcerated system are veterans. so without the support of this administration focusing on readiness and depreciation of soldiers and the like, the situation is going from bad to worse. >> they see a commander in chief, who will be your boss. you sign up, who will be your commander in chief. they want a commander in chief that will not put you into a funnel at an airport and then you will be blown up in afghanistan. that's what they have shown the generation. the newbies who have to sign up, the legacy of people who have a history with the military, where it's not only that we're not ready, but that the enemy may be stronger and that our own commander in chief doesn't know what he's doing and is clearly surrounded himself with military leadership that allows afghanistan to occur. >> or that he doesn't listen to them. >> that is the legacy of this. >> we are weak with our foreign

policy as well. it's outward look, not just inward looking. >> let's listen to admiral kirby. here's our foreign policy. >> president biden has been nothing but consistent about his belief, foundational belief in human rights and lbgqt + are rights, human rights. again back to the earlier question, we'll never shy away or be bashful for speaking up for those rights and for individuals to live as they deem fit, as they want to live. that's part of our foreign policy and it will remain so. >> so the part i'm interested in there is the core part of our foreign policy. what was happening in foreign policy world wide yesterday? we have the picture. xi was shaking hands with putin, talking about a new world order. we are talking about lbgqt and foreign policy at the same time. if you really cared about that, john kirby, you wouldn't have let afghanistan fall to the

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>> welcome back. many children in los angeles are home after a major teacher strike has the parents scrambling to cobble together coverage for their kids. moms and dads are fuming after watching this video from day 1 of the three day walkout. ♪ freedom freedom ♪ >> they're having a lot of fun. >> wow. >> it shows teachers outside a school busting a move on the picket line dancing to aretha franklin's song freedom. it's had a ripple on the entire city. where the is newly elected mayor? karen bass insists she is working behind the scenes and

appears to be going out of her way to avoid a public role. in fact, she was 400 miles away at the state capitol receiving an award from the tens of thousands of teachers prepared to walk off the job. it is unbelievable all of this, the dancing. 500,000 students in this district, second most populated district. what are the 500,000 parents doing? >> the 500,000 children are held hostage to the demands of this teachers union. look, you might be partial to this until you realize during covid and after covid, this school district alone received $4.6 billion. that's just covid relief. that's not the teachers union, which carved out a big part of the infrastructure bill that joe biden delivered to them. i'm sorry. holding children hostage for more pennies when you got a free walk for 18 months. these children were at home, the teachers were still collecting pay which is federal government

provided to them. i'm sorry, these parents have a right to be upset. time for charter schools and private schools in l.a. like the universal choice we are seeing in florida and other states. it needs to come to california. >> we saw it during the lockdown. imagine being that child who they are home alone and possibly with a parent who is now working from home forced to and watching their teachers dance in the rain. as if that were more important than teaching them. the priorities that this is teaching the next generation is embarrassing and really unacceptable. outside of the food programs, which are also extremely important now because you've got snap going away, some coverage to help the families who would lean on getting a free meal for their kids every day. aside from that is this idea of the money. i think we need a line by line look at where those dollars went. and if one cent was spent on something other than education,

other than preparing our children for the future, i think californians deserve to get their tax money back. >> that's right. >> i agree. some said we haven't had a normal school year since 2018/2019 because of covid. our kids were out for 18 months. >> i was in junior high in california part of the richmond unified school district that went bankrupt. i was one of those kids that all of a sudden we had nowhere to go. the scramble. how many years ago was that? it has been decades, yet that state continues to mismanage their funds to the detriment of those kids. this is the same county, same district where they spend $831,000 per single homeless person. this is the county and the school district where they experience the largest food desert for children. here we have an area where the most money is being spent yet the most people are in under served, under deserved, lesser than positions because of it. the absolute disparity between leadership there and the kids and the teachers cannot be more

wide. i encourage everyone to go to open the book and see what they are saying. see the decisions everybody is making in those elected and appointed decisions. >> where is mayor karen bass? she looked over to lori lightfoot, saw her calling the chicago teacher's union chaotic. she lost her job. she wants nothing to do with it. >> you saw that dancing. these are also the people in the classrooms. they're activists. they're focused on that. you're looking at americans in general certainly californians in los angeles my home town. you've got to look at this as a sign as nothing is going to get better. you want your tax dollars to matter. you want the covid money to matter but for some reason it's not. that's the case with all of government. >> coming up one university deciding one graduation ceremony is just not enough. they plan to host five celebrations based on race and

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>> breaking a short time ago, the trump grand jury is called off for today. so why is this happening? and what exactly are the implication of it?

andy mccarthy will join us top of the hour. plus, it is decision day at the fed. so what will jerome powell do next? and what it means for you and your money. our panel is here to weigh in. and a big new interview by ron desantis. what is he saying? an does he think he can beat joe biden? join me an john roberts at the top of the hour. welcome back. one university in michigan is kpapbing their graduation ceremony. grand valley u is offering five separate celebrations in addition to the main commencement. these celebrations will be based on, wait for it, race and sexual orientation to celebrate the school's diverse identities and cultures. the additional celebrations will be for students who identify as

asian, black, latino, native american or lgbtqai plus. so many letters. >> so many letters. >> what if you exist in all the boxes? >> yeah. well, see, that's what college was supposed to engender, right? to have you go to a place that was different from your home town, had people that you have never seen before, got you used to different cultures, different sorts of living and life and opinions, and then you became a part of the university. right? you were -- that was your team. that was your group. to now move us back out into that dynamic, kind of eliminates the power of the importance of going to college.

of seeing such a diverse frame work of what america is an learning all of these things. like this panel right here. that we come from very different places. we have different complexions. we have different life experiences before and now. economically we're different. but we sit here and we find out, wait a minute. we have more in common. that's what college is for. this is a deliberate effort to continue the division of america based on the policies and should be rejected. >> they argue -- they argue white supremacy. what about the millions of people who are also white? what happens if you are a student who identifies with those boxes and also an identity

that that university argues you deserve protection from. are you banned from that commencement exercise? what i have always encouraged my children to do, get rid of the boxes. it's about what's inside your head. and when the world wants you, you better be ready. be ready so you don't have to get ready. what happens if you want to go to your best friend's graduation ceremony and graduate with threpl but they are not in the same box.

are you not able to go to the other box? i'd be there with whomever was there. you don't think i'd show up? they'd show up for me. >> i recently filled out my passport renewal. four boxes for gender. male, female, one that was all or whatever. i had to include whether it was a change from before. as boxes increase for allowing of whatever identity is yours at the moment so, too, you could argue would be this. why are we even doing it if everybody is going to identify how they wish and what they want all of this energy and money going to this and time that will ultimately be destroyed anyway. >> it is totally insane. you go to college and no matter your race or gender, your preferences, you go to orientation together. you then sit in the classroom together. you go to the cafeteria together. when we graduate everyone separately and then you go into the work force and guess what?

everyone is back together. as it should be. i don't understand the rationale behind it. maybe there's something i'm missing. why do we separate people at graduation? makes no sense. >> i found this hilarious, my parents did not. i put a sign on the back of my gown saying will work for food. you have to earn your income from then on. has nothing to do with separation. >> what happens with school spirit, community. this is progressive segregation. that's what this is. in school setting. >> so are the reparations. they are going to test us to see how black we really are. >> one of the things i love about being in new york. we're all together. different people. nine or ten.

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to bring a prop. there is the light bulb, giving those out to everybody as i tour. such a great story, a lost bit of american history i thought should be reclaimed. thomas was thrown out of school at 8 years old, his mother took him home, home-schooled him, he is the patron saint of home schooling, we capture the tour, and come see me. >> excellent, keep the lights on. we'll see you tomorrow. "america reports." >> especially given like the history of banks with everything that happened in 2008, it's definitely at least for me a cause for concern. >> i don't remember a time when i felt good about the economy. >> as someone who uses these banks never concern, because i don't know if my money is safe or not. >> i believe we will handle this, whatever the situation will entail, i believe we'll have it under control. >> americans will soon find out if the cost of borrowing will soar even higher, we await an announcement from the federal reserve whether it will hike