pre-k to sixth but you can hire, and always my recommendation, is hire an off duty police officer during your school hours so that you deter something like this. a lot of things you can do towards response, notification, lockdowns, you can't do run, hide, fight with preschool, they don't have the judgment and the wherewithal to do that, so we recommend lockdowns. hope that happened in this situation. you know, a rapid response by the police is great but having an armed officer there, a visible deterrent is first and foremost and people get squeamish about that, especially faculty, a marshal appearance, if you will, at school, but we are about protecting the kids. this can happen anywhere. >> john: when you think about it, having a marshal appearance at the school is one thing, and maybe you don't want that image to represent your school.

but when somebody walks into a school with two long rifles and a handgun, you know, they made the call to police and police were there within minutes. but still, the tragedy unfolded as it did, and even if the school resource officer were outgunned, you wonder, could it have served as a deterrent long enough for the police to come or if the shooter knew there was a school resource officer there, maybe they would not have decided to do this. >> that's the point. it's the deterrent of knowing a marked vehicle in the parking lot or somewhere near the front entrance visible and that there is an armed presence there. i mean, that gives you the best fighting chance to prevent this from happening at all. and now you have, you know, once somebody is inside, and there should be locks and we talk about doors being locked all the time. >> sandra: you know what, chris,

looks like the nashville p.d. has put out an update a couple minutes ago, confirming three adult staff members, three children killed in the shooting, and they have now identified the shooter as a 28-year-old -- 28-year-old nashville woman is what is described by the metro nashville police department. that's the update at this time. also they are putting out that two police officers entered the building and went to the sounds of gunfire, engaged the shooter on the second floor and fatally shot her, which we did learn at the news conference a short time ago. but looks like we are getting some more information on the shooter at this time, chris. >> and they did exactly what they should do, go directly to the sound of gunfire as quickly as they can and take the shooter out if they can. so that, you know, that's great. but that was 14 minutes after the call came in.

i mean -- police are not everywhere, they respond as quickly as they can. but again, i hate to keep harping on the subject but the visible presence of an armed off duty police officer is just, you know, it's an imperative. the thing that goes to mind, quickly comes to mind here, is a 28-year-old woman going in to shoot up a pre-k to sixth facility and target people. it makes you wonder whether she had some relationship with the school, did she work there, was there some sort of slight -- i dealt with that situation recently in a school and people for whatever reason get some sort of beef with the school, whether it's about their kids or something else, and they come back and this irrational, incr incredibly demented mindset and start shooting. >> john: can you give more detail on this information?

>> she did not come in shooting, but rocks through windows. there was some indication this person was disgruntled or had a mental problem, and that's another situation where when you need to have some sort of threat assessment team to assess these types of threats and take some sort of steps towards mitigation to make sure that that person doesn't follow through with action. >> john: you might consider that if this person did have a beef with the school, there might have been warning signs before it happened. but we don't know at this point. chris, do us a favor, stand by. we would like to come back with you in a second. updating the breaking news as we begin a new hour of "america reports," right now police are working to learn more about the 28-year-old woman who shot and killed six people at a christian school in nashville. three children, three staff members. an update a short time ago. >> she entered the school through a side entrance and

traversed her way from the first floor to the second floor, firing multiple shots. we now know that there are three students who were fatally wounded as well as three adults inside the school. we are working to identify those victims. including the shooter, a total of seven persons were killed as a result of this morning's incident at the school. >> sandra: what we know so far. a call went in to nashville police 10:13 a.m. this morning, the first phone call the police received of an active shooter situation. we are now learning that that female shooter, aged 28, entered the school through a side door before making her way up to the second floor where she began firing. >> john: officers were on the scene within moments of the call coming in, it was a five-member team. they were clearing the first floor when they heard shots coming from the second floor.

they proceeded up the stairs toward the danger into the face of the gunfire, two of the members of the five-member team engaged with the shooter, shot and killed her just before 10:30 this morning. the shooter was armed according to police with two assault-style rifles, and a handgun. officials reviewing surveillance video from the cameras inside the school. >> sandra: a gut wrenching scene this hour. parents are still there trying to gather their children. they have been given a reunification point at the church next door associated with the school. they are waiting for any updates. we are waiting on any further updates about all those parents eventually getting reunited with their children. jonathan serrie has been following this for us. jonathan, just -- just makes your heart hurt when you see those little kids holding hands, being walked to a school bus, loaded on to then be driven to a

reunification point with their parents. many are still waiting for that to happen. what do we know now, jonathan? >> yes, absolutely heartbreaking. not the setting you expect something like this to happen and the players are not the people that you would ordinarily expect. we have some -- they are crunching the numbers according to the fbi, active shooting incidents between 2000 and 2019. 3.7% of all active shooters were female. also it is incredibly rare for a shooting like this to take place at a private school. only 6% of school shootings occur in private schools, 94% occur in public schools. that according to the kato institute. so, just heartbreaking. also we are getting some more details from the metro nashville police department releasing some

more details about what they now believe is a 28-year-old woman who was responsible for the shooting. originally officers responding believed she appeared to be a teenager, but now apparently a little bit older. 28 years old. a nashville resident. there were multiple officers who went into that building responding to the gunfire, but the police department says two officers in particular who entered the building going to the sounds of the gunfire actually engaged the shooter on the second floor and those two officers fatally shot her. so, we are gradually getting more information, we expect a news conference a little bit later today. police still working on a positive identification of the shooter who is dead, also a total of six victims of the shooter dead. three of them children, three of them adults, all of the adults were staff members, two of them transported to the hospital and

pronounced dead at the hospital and a third staff member pronounced dead at the scene. sandra and john. >> sandra: jonathan serrie with the latest. check back in with you shortly. john. >> john: now to david spunt at the justice department on what he's learning from federal officials. we understand the local branch of the atf is involved, david. >> right, and also the fbi director and attorney general merrick garland have been briefed. the department of justice, which includes the fbi, assisting those local officials on the ground and while there is the actual criminal investigation being run, you have to remember the department of justice can always down the line look at a potential civil rights investigation, see if any potential hate crimes are involved. obviously we have the shooter dead, according to police, so that may make things a little tricky. but the department of justice often looks at a federal angle,

some sort of federal nexus that can be part of this tragedy. it may be something 3, 4 months down the road, but as far as federal officials are concerned, local branch of the atf, the fbi has a huge presence in nashville and the attorney general and fbi director also pledging full resources to the local community there to help. john. >> john: all right, david. keep following it for us from the justice department, let us know if you get any news. sandra. >> sandra: john, we now have the 911 audio, the nashville shooting dispatch audio, we are going to play that out for our viewers now. >> metro midtown is on a school shooting, multiple victims down. metro radio traffic at this time, unknown which school, where they are transporting but sounds like multiple victims down inside the school, shooter is down now as well. dispatch to all units.

dispatching all units. mass casualty alert. school shooting in midtown off burton hill multiple victims down, they will be sending them to vuh, vch. >> sandra: mass casualty alert, multiple victims down, shooter is dead, a lot of information already in that dispatch audio. let's bring in retired nypd lieutenant darren porcher. >> troubling narrative when we speak so the testament of the school shootings that have plagued the nation years on end. many people speak to having a very source officers or not having a resource officer. a couple years ago in the wake of the parkland shooting there was a resource officer there but still lost people. at the same token, we need to

fortify school structures. one of the things that is a terminal piece is to have a violence prevention monitor or directive school security that focuses on pass after action reviews in connection with shootings, and implements a strategy that best works. when we look at what happened in uvalde, for example, we had an open door, availed the shooter the opportunity to get into that structure. had we had a violence prevention monitor in this school in question, they would have identified the necessity in keeping the doors locked. this is an ever so evolving narrative that violence prevention monitor in a school needs to maintain a level of fixation on, and not let it go stale. often times with school security it goes stale after a certain point and you'll have a teacher or an administrator that has several roles that extend beyond school security. the person that focuses on

school security should have the sole purpose of focusing on school security and nothing else. >> john: darin, it would seem to go without saying if you keep all the doors of a school locked and don't let a shooter in, you are not going to have a mass casualty event yet somehow the shooters manage to find their way in. what is very unique about this, though, is that whenever we hear of these school shootings, or by and large mass casualty events, mass shootings, inevitably we find out the shooter was somewhere between 18 and 22 years old and was a male. in this case, we have a 28-year-old female at a private school. this is the rarest of rare events. >> john, true. this is an exception on aberration, but the same token, if you exercise the fundamentals in school safety, such as keeping the doors locked, maintain a level of understanding of threats prevalent against the school. do we know it was a past employee, do we know it was a

parent of a child possibly bullied, at the same token, we have the violence prevention monitor that should be tasked with understanding the dynamic of school safety and continuously working toward reevaluating and reassessing the challenges of the school. and answers will come down the line. and unfortunate in the mass shooting cases assailant is killed, we don't have the ability to extract the intelligence as to why the person did it. but the same token, if you revert back to the essential components, you are more likely to thwart the attacks than to occur in this particular case. >> john: i may be wrong but i would bet there is a trail involved with the woman and the shooting. darrin appreciate it. >> sandra: reunification is still ongoing at the baptist

church in woodmont boulevard in nashville. former fbi special agent nicole parker who worked the scene at the parkland school shooting in florida in february 2018. nicole, this is just awful for all who are watching to see this play out yet again. three children have lost their lives, three adults and the shooter as well. >> my heart goes out, first thing i want to say, offer condolences. these families have lost their child or loved one, that is the highest priority right now. when you respond to a school shooting such as this school shooting at this private school in nashville, tennessee, words cannot describe what you are about to embark on. right now it has occurred three hours ago. i would like to commend law enforcement. the call was made at 10:13 a.m. and they responded immediately and the shooter was eliminated

by 10:27. that is 14 minutes. it is -- it is tragic that this occurred. but the law enforcement response to have the shooter eliminated within 14 minutes should be highly, highly -- there are accolades that go out to these officers. there is something called alert training, advanced law enforcement rapid response training. as law enforcement officers nationwide, it is very common that all of us are trained in this training. myself as an fbi special agent was trained in this prior to leaving the fbi. we are trained when there is an active shooter at a school, you go in and make sure the threat is eliminated. you must save lives. saving lives is the top priority and that is what these officers did this morning. unfortunately, six people are deceased as a result of the shooting. and again, my heart goes out to these families. no words to describe losing a loved one. you expect to send your child to

school and to be safe and to get the call that has occurred is absolutely horrifying. i know that right now it is probably very, very chaotic on the scene. when an active shooting occurs, the first thing is the safety of the school children and the staff. the next thing, they have to clear out the school, get all of the children out of the school, all of the staff to what you are describing as the reunification center. in the meantime, as they are trying to help children get out, there are people that are going into the school. the first responders, those that are trying to provide medical aid to those that might be injured inside the school. the parents are receiving phone calls right now, they are being notified there has been a shooting at their child's school. they are leaving their offices, leaving their work, rushing to the reunification center and i know from experience that there are law enforcement officers probably from every department,

federal, state, local law enforcement officers that are uniting and pitching in and helping, not only at the scene to process the crime scene, which is absolutely horrifying to have to do, but a necessary part to gather the evidence and move this case forward. also at the reunification center, they are meeting with the parent, they are finding these young children who are horrified. can you imagine being a young child and having a shooter come into the school. and law enforcement is probably conducting interviews, trying to understand what happened and parents are trying to be reunited with their children. >> john: nicole, we are just getting some sound in from the scene and the aftermath of the shooting this morning. this is call for number 1. the mother of a child who attends a nearby school describing the situation. listen here. >> yeah, it's like all over again. all over again.

i'm shaking, you know, it's -- i don't even know how i made it down here because you don't know what's going on. >> john: you can imagine just from hearing her voice how it has shaken the community and affected the children and the parents of the children who survived, and then the parents of the children who are deceased and the family members of the school staff who were killed as well. it is a tale of heroism as we know it now, that these officers, when they came into the school heard the gunfire as they were clearing the first floor and went toward the gunfire. they went into the face of danger and immediately engaged with the shooter. you remarked on the amount of time, 10:13 to 10:27. a short 12 minutes, but the 12 minutes i imagine for people inside the school, nicole, felt like a lifetime. >> it's eternity, eternity. you can't describe what it must be like to be a young child and have gunfire in your school,

eternity. >> john: we are seeing pictures of the reunification center taken by police or parents or whatever, finish your thought there in terms of what that time must have been like inside that school. >> you know, i can't imagine. as a young child, i can't imagine going through something like this. what i can tell you, is that it is so important that law enforcement is in there, and that we are understanding the motive of this shooter. your previous guest had talked about this as well. there is going to be a trail on information regarding this individual, even though they are now deceased, their social media accounts, emails, text messages, i'm not sure who the shooter was and what their motive was at this point, but it seems in my opinion that it was probably a targeted incident. they knew about the private school, and it's a smaller school. this didn't have several thousand students in it and they were young, you know, pre-k

through sixth grade. these are young children. but right now every parents' worst nightmare for those that lost their child or their loved one, i just have no words and i just want to again express my condolences. it takes time for law enforcement to process these things, and it's going to be a long, long night, a long day, a long night, and several weeks. this is not something that a community heals from overnight. it's not. this is something that is going to impact this community for years to come and again, we need to remember, you know, the side door -- i'm not trying to point fingers, i don't know the exact facts but from what i understand a side door is unlocked. that seems to be a common pattern in many of these shootings, a side door. if we can lock the side doors and make sure that the schools are secure, hopefully we can avoid these tragedies going forward. >> sandra: yeah, we are waiting on another police update to that effect to learn more about what

the situation was with that door. we were told only so far that the shooter entered that side door. so hopefully we learn more at the next news conference. nicole to your point about how long a community reels from this and the healing process could take years. this was a man who lives near the school, he spoke just a short time ago. listen. >> just like this can't be good, it's going to be the worst, it's not like an accident or fire, and then came out here, started work, started coming out what's going on, and just seeing the parents over there, and coming up and breaking down it was a lot. so -- you just don't think it happens in your area. >> sandra: the pain in his voice and so many there are going through that and feeling that right now, nicole. >> yeah, you never think it's going to happen in your community, right. it's just something you see on the news, not in your community, your community is safe. the key is that everyone has to prepare for the worst. we all need to hope for the best but prepare for the worst in

case it does. my heart breaks for these families. that is very, very important that this community rallies around those that lost their loved one today. there are no words to describe their deep loss. that loss never heals. it does not. i had to conduct death notifications after the parkland school shooting. i will never forget that. i will never forget that, and these families have open wounds that will never be healed. and it is important that we support these individuals and their time of loss and their time of darkness and their time of mourning and for those that survived, these young children, what they have seen, they may have lived but they are going to live with damaging effects for years, for likely the rest of their lives as well. therapy, counseling, community assistance, help, and i firmly believe that faith is what will pull these individuals through. >> john: what you say about what

the children will live with is so true, the young girl at robb elementary school in uvalde, she covered her face with her friend's blood and played dead. you can imagine how much work it's going to take to get past that. i wanted to ask about this, something the fbi really delves into, the pathology of the shooter. extremely rare event, happened at a private school, according to the kato institute only 6% of school shootings are at private schools. it was a female shooter. according to the national institute of justice, only 2.3% of shooters in these situations are women. and you think, too, that were there some clues here that were missed, or not acted on, or mental health issues involved. what are your thoughts about that? >> you know, i initially heard it was a female shooter, i was surprised because i have looked into many mass shooting

incidents, again having been a participant and responded to parkland, it typically is a male, individual between 18 and 30 years old. this is different. when you look at something like this, it's important to understand and backtrack who is this individual, she is now deceased. it does not mean we cannot determine what her motive was. someone, for instance, from like the fbi behavioral analysis unit, i worked very closely with the fbi behavioral analysis unit and know every law enforcement agency has something equivalent, i'm sure. behaviors are so important. past behaviors are the best predictor of future behaviors. this individual, like you said, may have had a beef with someone at the school. maybe their child went there, maybe they were in a relationship with someone at the school, wep don't know and we don't want to jump to conclusions, but law enforcement will be all over this in their

investigation. they will delve into her social media accounts if she had any, emails, text messages, interview her neighbors, her family members, her friends. there will be more information that will come of this, but it's going to take time. law enforcement is going to start with the most important issues first, which right now is protecting these children, and coming to the aid of these families who have lost their loved ones. but the behaviors of the shooter, it will become clear. it will become more clear as time goes on. >> sandra: nicole parker, retired fbi special agent, we really appreciate you joining us, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> sandra: and alert now, we are waiting president biden, he is expected to speak live at the white house any moment now. 2:30 p.m. eastern time. this was on the calendar, he was expected to speak at the women's business summit. karine jean-pierre at the briefing a short time ago did indicate that he will be making remarks about this school shooting off the top of his

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hello, colonial penn? >> john: a look at the east room of the white house, very soon president biden will be addressing the small business association women's summit. we are told the president at the top of his remarks will address the shooting here at the covenant school just south of nashville. karine jean-pierre probably in the briefing giving us a prelude to what the president will talk about. i would imagine there will be another call from the president for increased gun control in the wake of the shooting. others are waiting to deal with grieving families before heading into policy directions. we'll see what the president says very soon. sandra. >> sandra: all right. we'll be watching for the president's remarks and we will listen to them when they happen. now to david spunt and the justice department on what he is

learning from federal officials, david. >> i'm looking through fbi statistic, hard numbers here, awaiting for the stats from 2022, but we know in 2021, there were 61 active shooting incidents in 2021, 60 shooters were male, and one shooter was female. that's 2021, that is a 50% increase in those shootings from the previous year. again, 60 shooters male, one female, that's from 2021, but gives you an idea, i've spoken to law enforcement just about the rarity of a female shooter. connection to the school, all of these things unknown at this moment, but as john pointed out, a rarity to see a female shooter here, coming from the fbi. we know the department of justice, merrick garland, fbi

director briefed on this to see perhaps what federal legal angle can be taken, even though the suspect is dead, according to authorities. but i wanted to share numbers from the fbi to show the rarity of a female shooter. john, sandra. >> sandra: thank you for that. the nashville police department will hold another briefing 10 to 15 minutes from now and hopefully have additional details what is happening now. john. >> john: bring in former fbi investigator bill daly, and bill, you heard david spunt talking a moment ago about what potential resources the fbi could muster to assist the metro nashville police department, which from all initial appearances would have seemed to have handled this in a textbook fashion, taking out the shooter so quickly. i'm wondering, what resources could the fbi add? perhaps as nicole parker was

talking about earlier, the behavioral analysis unit to try to get to the bottom of why a 28-year-old woman would go into a private school and kill three students and three staff members because it does appear to be at least as david spunt was saying from the statistics to be an incredibly rare event. >> yeah, john, fbi can bring to bear other resources, and what local and state authorities would have. behavioral analysis unit as nicole, former fbi agent mentioned a few minutes ago. and they follow school place and workplace violence in detail. what they call leakage, a term they use in behavioral analysis world to talk about things that may have led up to this. as we know more about this suspect, or this individual. we'll get more information from her laptop, the fbi did help with that, social media, whether

it's retrieving information that maybe hidden on a phone or a computer that's been deleted. the forensic ability can help this. so combining both kind of forensic analysis as well as behavioral analysis aspect of this, it can help put more in perspective, bring this person into focus, what led them to that. was there any trail, any leakage beforehand that may be indicative that this person was going to trike out. >> sandra: bill, there will of course be many days of reviewing what exactly happened, how it happened and how this person was able to breach the side door of that school. two big things we are waiting for at this moment. we are expecting very shortly the nashville police to update on the ground there. we'll certainly get to that. but first, though, inside a two-minute warning. we are going to go to the white house to hear from the president following this school shooting, bill, but talk about what we will likely learn in the coming days as all of the -- everyone,

federal, state, local authorities get on the ground there and review what happened this morning there in nashville. >> the review of what happened we hope will be learning, and as we talked about earlier, the way we go about resolving this kind of in a more concrete and holistic way going forward. we need to be looking not just at things such as i'm sure the president may raise again which he has in the aftermath of these incidents, gun control but it's more than that. it's looking at things such as, you know, individuals and those trip wires out there to identify people before they commit a threat, what resources are available much like discussed earlier to assess the threat and what chris swecker mentioned, having resources at the school. i've done work at the higher education, college level, a different scenario, but school

resource officers, not just there as a pure deterrent but say what doors are open and closed, and solutions. i think we need to look at the holistic view of things and not just looking at one aspect of, you know, controlling weapons as being the problem to this. >> bill, we are told a couple of speakers will be preceding the president, so we have some time here to get more analysis from you about this. and in terms of what motivated this person to commit this heinous act, do you expect that there will be some kind of trail here given the rare profile of the shooter? you know, i think back to, or might have just be completely random? back to 1979, and brenda spencer, the first female school shooter that some of us remember, at least, she said that she started shooting at the school and killed two people simply because she didn't want to go to school, she didn't like mondays. but clearly there were some

overriding mental health issues that led her to do what she did. do you expect that there will have been a trail of clues here that either were missed but were found upon reexamination or simply were not acted on for whatever reason? >> you know, john, in these cases certainly hate to get ahead of ourselves in these investigations. there are a couple things that kind of jump out at me. one is that this woman was carrying two assault weapons, you know, with her, which means kind of in the intent and plan around this. i would not expect those were just sitting in the back of a vehicle or rarely accessible in the moment she came upon the school. and perhaps knowledge of where the door was to come in. unless we find out later other attempts were made trying to get into the school and happened to find that door open, kind of what happened down in uvalde where the door was propped open or found to be open.

so this seems to be a little bit more intimate knowledge, i would say, more focus on the school as opposed to just driving down the street and finding another school that may have been available. part of a church, school was in kind of a combined with it from what we understand physical layout of it. so i think there are some things here that are going to give us some connection to the school, whether it was intimate and immediate acknowledged by her, or somewhat -- meaning there was some connection, but it may not be something where either she had a child at school or spouse at the school or had some tour of the school, don't know that yet. certainly all possibilities. but i think there's going to be information that will come out from talking to people who knew her. listen, in society people know of other people, whether they are neighbors, immediate family members, those people probably in addition to or in lieu of what you may find on social media or a computer can give you a good idea as to what that

person's mindset was and what things were driving them perhaps to this ultimate sad conclusion. >> sandra: bill, we have a live shot up there in nashville, just moments away from the president at the white house but also this update from police on the ground there in nashville. this all unfolded over a 14-minute period of time from the time the first phone call was placed to police that there was a shooting happening at the school to when the police were able to enter the building and in an exchange kill the shooter. that was 10:13 a.m. was the first phone call, 14 minutes later the shooter, the 28-year-old female was then dead. officers cleared the first story of the school, they heard gunshots from the second level, according to police, and that's when they made their way up to the second floor. two officers from a five-member team, they opened fire in response to the shooter, fatally

shooting the suspect, 10:27 a.m. to think about the time that passed, probably felt like forever for those who were there but looking at past school shootings, bill, 14 minutes and the police and the exchange, able to kill the shooter, that is remarkable. nicole parker just confirming that, that's a short period of time and she gave these officers a lot of credit because they ran right towards that gunfire. >> you are exactly right, sandra. that response time and able to get there and engage with the suspect in that period of time both, you know, coming to the school, so coming off of whatever patrol routes they were on, responding to the school, getting into the school and hearing the gunshots and going toward the gunshots in that amount of time and neutralizing the shooter was certainly a tremendous accomplishment for the law enforcement in nashville today. you know, it does go to show you that even 14 minutes, a lot of

the shootings as we know from studies and some studies that people can pull from the fbi behavioral analysis unit, most times the victims are shot in the first several minutes, especially when there are automatic weapons or semi-automatic weapons involved. numerous people can be shot very quickly. so the fact they were able to get there in 14 minutes, still we would like to have it shortly if there was a resource officer there may have been a shorter period of time, but a tremendous amount of response by the police and certainly being able to neutralize the suspect in this period of time is great. >> john: hey bill, bill, i'm told the president is just approaching the podium in the east room of the white house. [applause] >> my name is joe biden. [laughter] i'm dr. jill biden's husband. and i eat ice cream, chocolate chip. i came down because i heard there was chocolate chip ice cream.

[laughter] by the way, i have a whole refrigerator full upstairs. you think i'm kidding, i'm not. ben, how are ya, pal? one of the best guys in the united states congress, ben cardon. [applause] folks -- delighted to have you all here. and who are the good-looking kids back there? your kids, all four of them? >> yes. >> stand up, guys. [applause] >> sandra: john, we'll jump back in here, considering the moment. >> john: we were told -- >> sandra: the school shooting that just happened, left three children dead, three adults, shooter dead, and we were told he would address it off thep to. >> john: rather surprising. i thought a somber president biden would have come to the podium and addressed the school

shooting. he's yucking it up with the crowd at the east room. why don't we jump out of this and when the president decides he's going to address this, we'll jump back into it. bill, we were speaking with you, i think sandra was talking to you about the swift actions on the part of the nashville police department. when chris was here he talked about the idea of a school resource officer as a deterrent. now, this school for whatever reason chose that it was not going to employ the nashville police department in a role to protect the school on a daily basis, it appears they did an admirable job when the worst happened. but you have to wonder, is there a way, given the trajectory of today's society, for a school to protect itself without having a resource officer as part of the equation? >> john, resource officers --

>> john: bill, i'm sorry, apparently the president has now decided to talk about this, let's listen. >> been and i have been doing this our whole careers it seems, and it's just -- it's sick, you know. we are still gathering the facts of what happened and why. and we do know that as of now there are a number of people who are not -- did not make it, including children. it's heartbreaking, family's worst nightmare and i want to commend the police who responded incredibly swiftly, within minutes in the danger. we are monitoring the situation really closely, ben as you know, and we have to do more to stop gun violence. it's ripping our communities apart. ripping the soul of this nation, ripping at the very soul of the nation and we have to do more to protect our schools so they are not turned into prisons. you know, the shooter in this situation reportedly had two assault weapons and a pistol,

two ak-47. so i call on congress again to pass my assault weapons ban. it's about time that we begin to make some more progress, but there's more to learn, but i just wanted to send my concern and hearts out to so many parents out there. i've been to so many of these sites as ben knows, virtually every 1, and 1 of the things you folks should, i know you do know, but you should focus on, you know, just like when in the military, my son was in iraq for a year and other places, you -- so many members of the military coming back with post traumatic stress after witnessing the violence and participating. these children, these teachers, should be focusing on their mental health as well. and so i'm grateful, anyway -- sorry to start off that way, but

i couldn't begin without acknowledging what happened. and now i'm grateful to all of you joining us here today, natalie, thank you for that introduction. and for doing such an amazing thing in detroit, detroit, making -- >> john: the president making remarks about the horrific shooting at the covenant school. again, reiterating his call for an assault weapons ban. the president there, sandra, and i don't know if he was ad libbing or had knowledge the rest of us don't have, said the weapons were ak-47 style weapons. typically in shootings like this we see ar-15 style weapons, a number of varieties of them, the president said ak-47, i don't know if it was an ad lib or had information to that effect. >> sandra: update as well, the first lady, jill biden, also just spoke a short time ago. she was making remarks at the national league of cities event

in washington. she said i'm truly without words and our children deserve better. we stand, all of us we stand with nashville in prayer. ok, there's a nashville newser starting right now. ok, this is the update from the police and authorities on the ground there. fbi also present. dip in here as soon as it begins now. >> second briefing on this active shooter situation, speaking to you at this point would be nashville chief of police john drake, the director of the tennessee bureau of investigation, david rauch, nashville district attorney glen funk and national fire chief director swan. this is the second briefing. there will be other briefings to be held in the same spot later this afternoon. we'll continue to brief throughout the rest of the day. chief drake. >> first and foremost i want to say thank you all for being here

on this very unfortunate situation. my heart and prayers go out to the families of the six people who were tragically injured. what i know at this point is at 10:13 today officers responded to a shots fired call to covenant school. it's a church school. officers immediately responded. immediately went in the school, went to where gunshots were being heard, and engaged the suspect. we have identified the suspect right now tentatively, 28-year-old female, white, we know the address of that person as well, and so we have some ongoing investigations as to that.

we have three adult victims and we have three children who have been identified and their families have been contacted. right now i will refrain from saying the ages other than to say i was literally moved to tears to see this and the kids as they were being ushered out of the building. i want to say thanks to all of our partners, to the fbi, atf and other federal partners, thp, tennessee highway patrol, the tbi, the district attorney, and to the fire department. who all came together and seamlessly addressed this situation as quickly as possible. i've already gotten a request from the national media about a great response, but still

assessing. what i can and said before, i hope we would never have this situation, that if we ever did, we would not wait, we would immediately go in and we would immediately engage the person perpetrating this horrible crime. and so that's all i can say right now. we have david rauch, director of the tbi will come after me to address his portion, and then we have others that will say something as well. so -- thank you. >> thank you, chief. again, i want to echo what chief has said in reference to the great support and the great teamwork that has been taking place here and as well as sending our heartfelt prayers to the families, to this community of these victims. now i know there will be people who want to criticize us for prayers, but that's the way we do that in the south, right. we believe in prayer and we

believe in the power of prayer, and so our prayers go out to these families. the role the tbi in this investigation, asked by general funk to assist in the officer-involved portion of this incident. so the incident where the officers engaged the spent, we are assisting the metro investigation, and the reason we've got metro doing the primary investigation is because it was a fluid scene. there was not a single stop in the action, so as they investigate the homicides, then we felt it was most appropriate for them to continue that investigation. but we will assist as in our role as an independent oversight as the officer-involved situation. that is the role of tbi. we want to thank all of our partners. it is special. we have had to conversation

unfortunately too many times in tennessee and that is you wish you would not have to do these types of scenes, but when you do, you want to have the working relationships that we have in our law enforcement community here in tennessee. it is amazing, and we have all come together as one and working very tirelessly and we'll continue to work together to address this situation. it's a horrible, senseless tragedy and we will be here working with our partners to get through it and next i would like to introduce the district attorney general for this area, glen funk. >> this is the ultimate crime when school children and caregivers are the victims of senseless gun violence. can't say anything before first express our concerns for the victims and their families. and the extended number of

victims that are traumatized by today's events. i came out on the scene today because our current operating procedure is that when an officer is involved in a shooting, that the tbi comes out and i knew this was a unique case and i wanted to make sure that everything was handled appropriately. director rauch was out here almost at the exact same time i got here and chief drake had been on the scene for a while. the three of us met and talked about how the investigation would be handled. we made a joint decision affirming what the two law enforcement leaders, how they wanted to proceed, that metro was going to handle the bulk of this, but tbi would participate in capacity to making sure we had transparency and any back-up that the police department needs to continue in the investigation would be provided. cannot stress enough how seamlessly that worked to have a

conversation, decision to be made quickly and appropriately as far as how the case will be handled from here. hats off to chief drake and director rauch. also want to thank chief swan and our federal partners as well. i cannot comment about the ongoing nature of the investigation, real impressed by the work being done by law enforcement. >> good afternoon. first let me just say as everyone else what a tragic day here in nashville. so our hearts and our prayers do go out to all the family members and also the first responders that actually made this call. as always, the fire department and office of emergency management, our job is to support and we were here at the beginning and we'll be here to the end. we just ask that everyone again as we said earlier about prayer, we ask for that.

and ongoing support that's needed from our standpoint is to give support in the area that's asked for on the scene. so again, we thank you and from this point forward we'll just continue on with our mission and try to bring some type of closure and resolution. thank you. >> i anticipate there will be another briefing at or before 4:00. we will entertain 2 or 3 questions at this moment before these gentlemen have to go back to the scene to continue their work. >> chief, do you identity -- did you identify the shooter the case yet? >> yes, 28-year-old female white, actually a nashville -- lives in the nashville area. we are -- have an ongoing investigation as it pertains to her at this time. >> located her place, where she lives, do you have officers there? >> we have.

we have. >> was she wearing body armor? >> was she wearing body armor? i can't say that far into the investigation. i don't remember seeing it but can't say for certain she had body armor on or not. >> did she have any connection with the church? >> initial findings, at one point she was a student at that school, but unsure what year all of that. but that's what i've been told so far. >> did she give any word on social media or -- [inaudible] examined at this point? >> investigations are still ongoing. federal partners, state partners, we are all looking into that to see exactly. this is still fluid at the time, but we are looking at everything. >> did anybody pull the fire alarm, do we know? >> don't remember a fire alarm going off. i was told there was kids that evacuated into a woodline, had the presence of mind to do that,

and to go to a fire hall. once we arrived on scene we had everyone move to first baptist church woodmont, and that way we could get parents and children reunited and then ultimately made the notification on the three kids. >> do we know if the side door she entered was locked or not? >> that was a door entered, all doors were locked, understanding, and how she got in is still under investigation. there is a vehicle that was nearby that gave us clues as to who she was, and so -- but as stated, that investigation is still ongoing. >> did the school have school shooter protocol? >> they did have protocol, to my understanding. we had, unfortunately, three kids that were tragically hurt,

it could have been far, far worse. >> okay. we'll be back before 4:00. okay? thank you. >> martha: okay. new details here as we cover this tragic breaking story this afternoon. i'm martha maccallum live in washington d.c. as we begin with this alert on a breaking news story, a tragic story we've been covering throughout the afternoon here, the killing of three young children. this school goes from 6-year-olds up through 6th graders. they did not reveal the age of the children that were victims. also three adults were killed who worked at this private christian school. the covenant school in