>> i love that. >> interesting the poll found community involvement was down by the individuals and yet they were committed to advocacy and lifting up others. as if the identity and sense of community, real community, that's lost. >> that was a political motivated presentation, i think. if he wants to be president, i want to hear more optimism. >> we cannot wait to hear more of you. thank you for joining us, mr. wonderful. all of you have a wonderful day. here is "america reports." >> sandra: fox news alert, visit from an irs agent to the home of twitter files journalist raising fresh concerns over possible government intimidation on the very same day he testified that big tech and the federal government were working together and what he called digital mccarthyism. an agent showed up unannounced at his home. >> and jim jordan is demanding answers. is the federal government

weaponizing the irs against the political opponents? here to weigh in coming up. >> sandra: the latest on the school shooting in nashville that left three children and three school workers dead at the hands of a former student. hello, welcome. i'm sandra smith in new york. hello. >> john: hi, sandra, john roberts in washington. this is "america reports." horrifying moments captured on school surveillance cameras and police bodycam, showed 28-year-old audrey hale shooting her way through two sets of glass doors and roaming the hallways with an assault rifle and appearing to search for potential victims through unlocked doors. >> sandra: police immediately ran toward the sound of gunfire, including officers who were able to take out that shooter preventing an even larger

tragedy. >> john: the picturesque community is mourning the loss of life, three 9-year-old children and three school workers taken from their loved ones far too soon. >> sandra: trey is standing by. >> john: c.b. cotton is live in nashville with police chief john drake. c.b. >> john, thanks so much for having me. we are learning more about this horrific act of violence at the covenant school here in nashville. six lives senselessly taken. right now i'm joined by chief john drake of the metro nashville police department. a 35 year veteran of the department. you've served the last two and a half years as chief. chief drake, thank you for your time today. after yesterday's tragedy unfolded you mentioned finding audrey hale's manifesto. 24 hours later, new insight? >> we were able to talk to the parents of audrey hale and we

found that she had purchased seven firearms from five local gun stores here in the middle tennessee area. they were all legally purchased. three of those guns were actually used in yesterday's murders of the six victims. we also learned that audrey was receiving help for an emotional disorder but she had not been committed to an institution. her parents believe she had only one weapon, but they knew she couldn't own one, she sold it. they were under the thoughts that she had gotten rid of every weapon she owned but hid weapons inside the home so that is still ongoing. >> so interesting new development here, chief john drake confirming the shooter had purchased seven firearms at five different stores, legally purchased. yesterday you mentioned this being a targeted shooting.

how do you know this and do you know if audrey was planning to target another school possibly? >> so right now we don't believe another school was being targeted. we do know we have writings that had the school, and had a diagram of how she would enter the school. the direction that she would go and she had a drawing of what she would wear. she had exactly on what she had drew in the drawings, including the weapons. we believe she just went in and randomly targeted these individuals. wasn't anyone in particular that she was trying to target, just random. >> have you determined a motive at this point? >> right now we have not determined any motive. we are looking into all of that. right now we just feel there was -- she went in, she was emotionally disturbed, she shot the glass out, went in and randomly picked targets as she

went through. >> the body camera video from officer was released today, absolutely remarkable, shows them running towards high capacity firearm sounds and they are showing, demonstrating the tactical training. what does that speak to from your officers? >> it's just a testament of the way officers train and the way we value our community and we put our own lives at risk to save others. those officers were taken rounds on, cars were being fired upon, they were in those vehicles, they got out, immediately got their weapons, went inside, went room to room and then heard gunfire. as they heard the gunfire they immediately ran down the hall and approached this individual and mitigated the threat and unfortunately six people were killed before they could stop it. >> chief i don't know drake, thank you so much for your time. a quick follow-up from john roberts.

john, you have a question for the chief. >> john: if you could relay this, seemed to be a bit of a contradiction, he said the weapons were legally purchased but then he then later said she was not allowed to have them. can you get him to clarify that? >> chief john drake, yes. you mentioned that these firearms were legally purchased but you also said she was possibly not allowed to have those firearms. can you clarify for us? >> she was being treated for an emotional disorder and her parents felt she did not need to own any firearms so the one they thought she had, they thought she had sold it and didn't have any more, and so she had hid different weapons throughout the house. she was receiving treatment for an emotional disorder but had not been committed. and so that's why they felt she should not have any. >> no word whether there was a court order for her not to have those firearms. >> there was no court order. >> ok. john, there is some clarify there on that.

chief, thank you so much for yoings today. we really appreciate it and thank you for your service. a lot of new developments there and you know, still some unanswered questions, but working here on the scene to gather that information. >> yeah, and thinking of the clarification, helps our audience understand what's going on. and hats off to the officers at the nashville police department. when you watch the video, it's incredible to see the bravery and the way they carried out the jobs with precision. thanks, appreciate it. >> sandra: john, thank you. and thank you to the chief joining us as well. trey is joining us, he's also a former federal prosecutor and congressman. this country having an incredibly hard time in this moment digesting what has happened in the last 24 hours, absolutely brutal, and you see these parents and you saw those children getting walked out of

that school yesterday, it just stays with you. as far as those two policemen, i want to put their pictures on the screen, they are heroes. they ran into the gunfire to take out that shooter, preventing more loss from happening. trey, they are heroes and the team they ran in with, they are all heroes. what should the conversation be in this country right now, trey? >> it should be about solutions. evidence-based solutions. i think you heard part of the answer in the interview with the chief. suicidal ideations, homicideal ideations, mental health issues, the overwhelming majority of mass killers suffer from that. what does that scream out to us? red flag laws, with due process, but red flag laws. i mean, john's follow-up question was ok, they were lawfully purchased but yet she was not supposed to have 'em. here's the answer. if you've been adjudicated mentally ill, you can no longer

legally possess any firearm or any ammunition, but she was not taken before a judge. so homicide, suicidal, no red flag law was involved. number two, the overwhelming majority of mass shooters signal to someone what they are about to do. i'm not talking about a moral obligation, they can sort that out for themselves. how about a legal obligation? if you know someone in your household is talking about shooting up a school, i don't care about your moral obligation. i want you to have a legal responsibility to go tell someone. sandra, what doesn't work? i confess, i used to think having law enforcement officers at a school would help. the evidence does not suggest that it does. i used to hear from my colleagues in the house, oh, we need more legislation, ok. most guns are lawfully purchased

and the legislation i hear about is closing the gun show loophole, fine, close it. that will not stop a single mass shooting so i'm interested, red flag laws, interested in responsibilities to turn people in, and i'm interested in this country having a reckoning with the fact that we talk about every right, all the rights we have except the right for a 7-year-old to learn to read and write without getting murdered. how about that right? how about the right to go to elementary school without being murdered. where does that fall in our hierarchy of rights in this country. >> sandra: which is why the big conversation with so many parents right now is how do we secure those schools that are not as secured as others. we know in this instance this shooter chose this school because that shooter deemed this less secure. what can we be doing as a country to secure the perimeter, bulletproof glass, are we doing

enough to protect those kids. once they are in that building? >> well, sandra, i think that there were law enforcement in uvalde, texas and that did not work out. law enforcement in the parkland high school shooting and that did not work out. so yeah, i used to think that having police officers -- i still think it's a good idea to have 'em, but that is not a panacea. so, instead of having schools where kids go to, you know, a quasi prison, how about a culture that requires us to have schools for kids to go to that look like prisons. i want like to work on both. in the interim, make it safe to attend school. on the other hand, a conversation about what is wrong with the soul of this country that someone would kill a child. i don't know the answer. i just know that we have a soul

problem in addition to a violence problem in this country. >> sandra: and i know this hits close to home, i know, trey, you have shared with our viewer audience many times that your wife is a school teacher and i'm sure you have conversations about this at many different levels. there is a fear that this has happened again, and that, you know, the country moves on at some point and no change happens. what do you say to people who worry that might be the case yet again? >> well, i guarantee it's going to happen. it happened every time in the past. mass shootings have gone up dramatically in the last 25 years. we are still talking the day after, but a week after we will not talk about it. not talking about uvalde, we are not talking about sandy hook. that should impact us the remainder of our lives and yet it rarely comes up. i get we are not wired to want

to live in grief and being -- you should not lose your life because you are trying to learn to read and write in elementary school. our country, if we are the greatest country in the history of the world, we ought to be able to educate children without them being murdered at school. >> sandra: i get the sense from you that you are as fired up as you have been in the past about these school shootings. but here we are, and we are about to get another briefing, i'm told on the ground there from police as we will likely learn more details. if i could put up that bodycam video of what we have now seen, newly released bodycam video and trey, you know there's good guys out there, and you know, you have to put an optimistic message out there and we have to support our police and they had a plan and they put it in place

and i know the police chief said in the hours that followed this, it was during this program yesterday, he came out and talked to reporters on the ground and they had meeting after meeting after meeting if they ever got a phone call like this from one of their schools they would not hesitate and we need to commend the police, having a fan and stick to it. >> i guarantee if the cops were on with us, they say we move quickly, we did everything we were supposed to do and yet six people still died. so, everything went as quickly as it could go, and yet we still have three dead children and three dead adults. so the cops would be the first to say having a rapid response plan is not enough. we got to do something to keep guns out of the hands of people

who have suicidal or homicide ideations, make parents turn their kids in. i'm happy to talk about legislation because no right we have means a damn thing, sandra, if you are dead. i apologize for my language, but the other rights we have do not mean anything if you are in a tiny casket. >> sandra: give us an idea as we learn possibly more a motive from the shooter, so many details that come out in the coming hours, trey. i guess what's next, on capitol hill this conversation, it's hot right now. just leave us off, trey, with what you would like to see happen with your colleagues in washington and how we can move on as a country and improve. >> evidence-based solutions. quit -- we can put people to death with due process in this country, i've done it.

we can put people to death. but yet people on one political side who say you can't take firearms under red flag laws, that's really stupid. we can take your life but not your firearm if you are having mental issues. and folks on the left who obsess about gun show loopholes and that won't stop a single mass killing. how about focus on the evidence. what is leading people to commit mass killings and what can we do legislatively to help the base and fundraising but don't keep children alive. >> sandra: help people help each other help our neighbors is a big part of the message. good to have you, trey. thank you for joining us on that. >> yes, ma'am. thank you. >> sandra: well, fox news alert, we are waiting on this presser, we are expecting an update there. we just heard from the chief in that interview with c.b. cotton

and likely learn more. an absolute brutal time as we continue to take this all in. the chief appears to be talking to some folks on the ground there as more details have yet to emerge. >> john: we'll be hearing from him soon. i thought what was interesting, the chief said all the firearms were legally purchased but the parents believed because of emotional issues that audrey hale was having that she shouldn't have guns, shouldn't have any weapons and they told her to get rid of them. according to the chief, she got rid of all but one, and the parents thought that she had gotten rid of all the other ones but she hadn't, she just secretaried them around the house. but it goes to what trey was talking about, like what is the real solution here is that in order for a gun to kill somebody, it has to have somebody behind the trigger who is in a mental position where

they are willing to do that, and that speaks to a large degree to mental illness being the driving force behind so much of this. and yet as we have seen so many times, whether it's talking to people like trey or to dr. marc siegel or whomever, there just is not the facility in this country to readily identify people and get them the treatment that they need to get them off of the streets and eliminate them from being a threat. and as we pointed out yesterday, how many of these school shootings, how many of these mass shootings do we need to see before the country realizes crazy people get ahold of guns and they kill people and there's got to be a way to stop that from happening. >> sandra: and john, sadly, the second school shooting we have covered in a week. and out in denver, parents did not know that there were regular pat-downs happening at the front of the school of kids that they had deemed to be a threat to

other students. and that student eventually walked in and opened fire on two school officials near the front door. so letting people know somebody is viewed as a threat so others can keep an eye on them is important as well. >> john: looks like it's going to be a few minutes before the press conference starts -- looking at the chief, no, looks like he's pausing for a moment here. ok, so let's move on, a lot of other news to tell you about. 39 people dead, dozens more injured after a deadly fire ripped through a mexican migrant facility across the border from el paso. we are now learning from mexico's president that the fire was started by migrants over deportation fears. it all comes as senators turn up the heat on homeland secretary mayorkas, he is testifying on capitol hill as the crisis escalates at the southern border. some lawmakers even calling for his impeachment. griff, we may need to cut away

if the chief comes to the microphones. give us what you know so far. >> let me know if that happens. over three hours secretary mayorkas has been before the judiciary committee taking heat about the fentanyl coming across the border, the power the cartels wield in mexico and whether or not we have operational control of the border. and senators ted cruz and josh hawley, republicans, calling for his resignation or firing and john cornyn turning up the heat. >> your behavior is disgraceful and the deaths children assaulted, raped, they are at your feet and if you had integrity you would resign. and i will tell you the men and women of the border patrol, they have never had a political leader undermine them. they despise you, mr. secretary. >> apologize, that's senator cruz. so many heated moments. cornyn was pressing the secretary over the number of chinese migrants across and whether or not we know truly

whether or not they pose a threat to the country. this comes as the chairman of this committee, democrat dick durbin, sent a letter signed by 18 democrats opposing the move to return to the family detention policies that were under the obama and trump administration's. we caught up with the chairman in the hallway, here is what he said to us about a policy change. listen. >> the bottom line is the united states congress has not changed the immigration, broken immigration system in america for 30 years. so we can point blame as much as we wish at the executive branch. fact of the matter is, we have not done our job. >> and john, the fireworks continue to fly. we can hear the hearing continuing below us. we'll bring you any news if indeed it breaks. john. >> griff jenkins in the hearing room, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: back to nashville now, john, we are waiting that presser. we are told we are inside the minute window where they are going to begin on the ground and john, every one of these pressers they are delivering a

lot of news. i believe it has begun. let's get in. >> take a moment to clear up. there are those who think that specific individuals were targeted by the shooter who entered the building on monday. we have no evidence that individuals were specifically targeted. this school, this church building was a target of the shooter but we have no information at present to indicate that the shooter was specifically targeting any one of the six individuals who were murdered. chief john drake will now update you on the progress of the investigation overnight and this morning, including what we know about the individual's purchases of firearms over the past couple of years. again, this will be a brief briefing today.

chief john drake. >> good afternoon, everyone, thank you again for being here. just a brief update of what we know right now. we've interviewed the parents of audrey hale and we have determined that audrey bought seven firearms from five different local gun stores here legally. they were legally purchased. three of those weapons were used yesterday during the horrific tragedy that happened. we know that they felt that she had one weapon and that she sold it. she was under doctor's care for an emotional disorder. law enforcement knew nothing about the treatment she was receiving but her parents felt she should not own weapons. they were under the impression that when she sold the one weapon that she did not own any

more. as it turned out, she had been hiding several weapons within the house. we also don't have a motive at this time. we feel that these students that were targeted were randomly targeted. there was not any particular student that they were -- that she was looking for at the time of the incident. and that's what we know as i speak, and we'll take any questions. >> what was in the manifesto? >> in the manifesto, there are several different writings about other locations. there were locations -- there was talks about the school, there was a map of the school, a drawing of how potentially she would enter and assaults that would take place. quite a bit of writing to it. i have not read the entire

manifesto. our team and the fbi has been working on this. >> chief, can you clarify where the victims were located. >> they were spread out in different locations. when i went into the actual church, the kids had already been transported to the hospital. also the -- two of the adults, i did see the head school person and she was in the hallway by the office. that's the only one -- they were spread out. one in one common area, but they were spread out. >> can you talk about the response -- in terms of targeting oat places. >> some writings about other locations but as far as an actual target i cannot confirm that at this time. >> can we talk about the bodycam footage. >> one at a time, please. one at a time, please. >> just about the six victims

were killed, where exactly were they? were they walking through the hallways when this happened, and also heard that perhaps the head of the school may have ran towards the shooter? >> it's very possible the head of the school could have done that. i can't confirm that one way or the other. i do know she was in the hallway by herself. there was a confrontation, i'm sure, you can tell the way she was laying in the hallway. there was the custodian, african american as she shot through the door to enter, she sprayed rounds through the glass striking him. you could see where he came to rest. as far as the others, they were just spread out in different locations. i can't say it was a confrontation, but they were met -- she met the head person in the hallway. >> probably the first person

shot? >> chief you mentioned the multiple guns and the shooter was under the care of a doctor. is there any law in the state to allow police to take guns away from the person if it had been reported. >> there's not a law for that, but reported that she was suicidal or had wanted to kill someone or made known to us we would have tried to get the weapons. as it stands, we had absolutely no idea. actually, who this person was, if she even existed. >> chief, can you talk about the time -- >> what else did the parents say, expect anything like this to happen? >> so we know yesterday miss hale was leaving out of the residence, she had a red bag. they asked her what was in the red bag, and i think she just dismissed it because it was a motherly thing, and didn't look in the bag. at the time she didn't know that her daughter had any weapons, and didn't think any differently. again, they lost a child, so

it's very traumatic for them. >> could you talk about police response? i know they engaged the shooter pretty quickly once they got to the school. can you talk about the events that led up from when they got the call, what time did they arrive at the school, and could you talk about that time -- appears like 14 minutes or so. >> got the call at 10:13. and by 10:24 they had engaged the spent. as they arrived on the property there were police cars hit by gunfire. the suspect was in an upper level, we believe some training being able to shoot from a higher level, and her gunfire, from the video i've seen, she stood away from the glass so she would not be an easy target to be shot, but as the officers were appreciating the building,

there was gunfire going on. they went in, they went through door by door as we clear buildings, they heard gunfire and immediately ran to that and then took care of the -- this hor horrible situation. >> how long did it take the officers to get to the school initially. >> 10:13 to 10:24 it was owe. exact time, arrival time i'm not sure. myself, i ran emergency and as i got there, they were coming out bloody and all kinds of things were happening, so i barely missed being able, or being there to go in as well. so, it was really quick, the response. and i think you were next. >> chief, i was going to ask you about the two officers -- [inaudible] have they been faced with a situation like that before? >> to my knowledge, i do not remember if those two in particular have been in that

situation. officer kalozo has worked as a paramedic with the swat team, i'm sure he's had some type of weapons training. i was really impressed that with all that was going on, the danger that somebody took control and said let's go, let's go, let's go, and went in and took care -- and just tried to end this situation. but as far as being in this before, i'm not sure. you, sir. >> a friend of the family has reportedly said -- the hale family said audrey was autistic. is that true? >> i didn't confirm that. i've heard that, but i can't confirm this that's true or not. >> chief, one more question and we are going to stop. >> officers how are they faring today? >> any indication -- [inaudible] why the shooter may have done this yesterday and also do you have anything that would indicate whether the [inaudible]

>> i can't confirm either. i'm not sure if -- we are approaching holy period at easter and all of that. i can't confirm any of that. do not know and so why she targeted that particular church. we do know she was a student at that church at one point, but unsure right now if that was the reason why, and i think you -- one more. >> the two officers, how are they feeling today. >> i talked to them earlier and they are trying to decompress, trying to make sense of all of this. i talked to president biden, he's going to reach out and talk to them as well. they are just trying to do whatever they can with their families and just kind of remove themselves from all of this. >> thank you all very much. thank you. thank you.

>> getting the call to arriving to the school, is that acceptable, could there have been a quicker response time? >> i'll answer that. we -- we evaluate each and every situation. one of my principles, always looking to be innovative and evolving to get better. we look at every single incident we have and if there's a way to get better -- we feel a response right now, i -- i'm -- from what i've seen, i don't have a particular problem with it. we always want to get better, always want to get there in 2, 3 minutes. traffic was locked down, etc., so we are always looking. >> chief -- >> john: chief john drake there the metro nashville police department, likely hear from him later this afternoon. not a whole lot of new information from what we had at the interview at the top of the hour except to say they have no particular motive in all of this.

talked about the manifesto and the writings of the shooter, about other locations. all the way down to having a map of the school and how this would all lay out. let's go back to trey who have been listening to all of this. your impressions from the chief there. >> there are two main take aways. the chief drew a distinction as we all should between lawfully purchased and lawfully possessed. so you can purchase a firearm when everything is well and good and you don't have a felony conviction and you are not under a doctor's care, not habitual drug user, your status my change. we have to do something in the country to draw a distinction between i obtained it lawfully but i don't currently possess it lawfully. the other thing, john and sandra, i just warn people and i know i'm a choir of one. but there is no motive that explains the execution of children. so i understand people are waiting on a motive.

there's never going to be an explanation that allows us to say ok, i understand that. that makes sense. it wasn't true in murdaugh, it's not true in uvalde, it's not going to be true here. this was an act of depravity and evil. there is no why that will satisfy us when it comes to the systematic execution of six innocent people, including three children. i get we all want to know the motive. no motive will allow you to say ok, i understand the crime now. >> sandra: going through some of the things off the top there, the specific individuals were targeted has been reported in some cases off the top. they attempted to clarify they do not know that to be the case. they are assuming those three children and adults were randomly targeted. we learned as we did at the top

with that interview, trey, that the shooter purchased seven firearms from five different stores, three used yesterday. and we heard as well the head of the school and there could be more details emerge from this, possibly more video eventually emerges, the head of the school, who was shot and killed, the police chief noted they believe that she could have been running towards the shooter. the police chief said he could tell by the way she was laying in the hallway. and the custodian was shot through glass. trey, just the details that continue to emerge are just awful, and the head of the school, perhaps we'll learn more about what happened there. but the head of the school was in the hallway when this happened, when the head of the school was shot. just -- just absolutely brutal

as we continue to learn more, trey. >> yeah, i mean, what is safe in this country any more. schools aren't safe, churches aren't safe, malls aren't safe, there's nothing safe, so this is a church, i mean, schools you can get away with having perimeter fencing, you can have a metal detector, it's a little more difficult in a church, but again, i would be shocked if the assailant had any connection with the children. i'm not surprised they were not targeted. the church was targeted but really the main objective, sandra, was to wreak as much pain and anguish as possible. that's not what normal people do. normal people should not try to understand what abnormal people are doing. we just need to keep weapons out of their hands and the fact she lawfully possessed or purchased it is one debate. the real debate should be

whether or not she was lawfully possessing it at the time and i can't imagine someone who has suicidal or homicide ideation, i would love to hear the argument you have a second amendment right to have a firearm even though you were actively thinking about killing other people. i would love to hear that argument on the right. >> john: there was no red flag in existence in tennessee, there was in new york but did not prevent the tops market shooter from hanging on to a gun, even though it was recommended it be taken away. people fall through the cracks. we have heard about the instagram message from the shooter to a friend talking about suicide, you'll hear about this from the police, it caused the friend to try to get in touch with the police to say something is up here. we know about the concept of suicide by cop, and maybe that's what was going through this

person's mind when the police came up upon her and took her down, she appeared to be shooting out the window at the time. was she just waiting for the police to take her down, we don't know. it still does not explain as you so rightly pointed out, even if you wanted to commit suicide by cop, why you would kill three children and three other people in doing that. >> and john, it will never make sense because you are a good person. you are never going to be able to understand anyone who could hurt a child. i mean look, if you think life is not worth living and you want to end it, i would advise you not to, but she could have done that. she wanted to go out, maximizing the grief and the pain of strangers. that is just not a normal human thing and so if you are not a normal human you should not possess firearms and i don't think that's all that complicated. even from the constitutional law

standpoint. i don't think it's that complicated. crazy people should not have firearms. >> john: not complicated in principle but seemingly complicated in application. trey, thanks for joining us. appreciate your thoughts. >> sandra: thank you, trey. dr. marc siegel joining us now. the police chief just in that briefing there a moment ago to trey's point what motive could they possibly -- children -- but noting that there's no knowledge of a motive in the shooting, but did confirm that this school shooter was under doctor's care for emotional disorder. weigh in on what we are learning here, dr. siegel. >> i agree with trey, it's a random killing except that she did go to the school. so i can imagine that she may have been obsessing on this school and she was under a doctor's care and the police chief pointed that out. i'll tell you where my mind goes on this, because he was a little

vague on the issue what the role of a therapist or psychiatrist might be in this situation and i'll tell you what it is. in the state of tennessee if you think someone has homicideal ideation going on, they are planning on killing someone, and john roberts just mentioned those notes she was sending around, if the doctor knew about that, they can get a certificate of need. two certificate of need -- cuts past the need for a court to rule on this and you can get someone involuntarily committed. i'm not saying something was missed here but someone needs to be speaking to the physician or the therapist involved about what they knew. if you are a therapist or psychiatrist or physician and you hear suicidal or homicide ideation and there's a plan involved, you quickly move to get the patient hospitalized. that's true in tennessee, that's true in new york, that's true in most states. >> john: doc, it always seems to come back when we hear about the mas shootings, whether they are in a school, a supermarket or

concert in las vegas, all comes back to mental illness and to trey's point, how are people mentally ill procuring firearms or hanging on to firearms, but the same time, why aren't we as a society doing a better job to identify the people that they could snap and commit a heinous act like this and people don't come forward to say look, i think there's a really serious from here and society says you are right, there is a real serious problem here, we need to work together to solve this. i mean, i'm sure that audrey hale's parents are unbelievably devastated this could have happened, particularly when they thought she got rid of her guns. no checks and balances there, no prove to me i got rid of the gun, that you are acting

responsibly, none of that here. seems to has been as we go through these forensically, red flags missed or not acted upon or something else has happened on them. >> agree completely. and also trey's point and i think it's a matter of everything is not bipartisan. the right says i don't want gun control, the left says only gun control, and there's no connection of the mental health part of this, which is enormous. and it's a question of who is safe to have a gun, and obviously if you are emotionally unstable, obsessing, delusional, in therapy, you should not have a gun. how does a person like this pass a background check and another point, by the way, about the children in the school and around the country. every time a mass shooting like this happens, kids get hurt. because if -- not just the kids that get killed, three 9-year-olds got killed but imagine what kids in the school feel like or tennessee in general, or around the country

watching the videos of this. you get a feeling of unsafety, of fear, and the fear spreads like an infection, contagion. we need our children to be saved. schools to stand up, parents, as you pointed out, mental health interventions under control to where they actually prevent things like this. >> sandra: important stuff. dr. siegel, thank you for joining us on that. >> thank you. thanks for having me, guys. >> john: thanks, doc. it breaks your heart when this happened week in and week out, it really does and you think about the parents of children and the family members, the school head master or the custodian or the teacher. just -- you can't wrap your head around it. >> sandra: we'll be right back. no one should suffer like that. i started cosentyx®. five years clear. real people with psoriasis look and feel better with cosentyx.

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>> we learned twitter, facebook, google and other companies developed a formal system for taking in moderation requests from every corner of government, a focus of the fast growing network as mike noted is making lists of people whose opinions, beliefs, associations or sympathies are deemed misinformation, disinformation, or malinformation. it's a form of digital mccarthyism. >> john: warning about the weaponization of the u.s. government to stop disinformation on social media sites and now there is concern that taibi may have been targeted. they visited his home the same day he testified before

congress. good to see you, katie. the question, was irs raising legitimate concerns of matt taibbi or politically motivated. ted cruz says it stinks to high heaven, the irs should never be in the business of harassing the american people. what do you think? >> well, matt taibbi was talking about people being put on government lists, if he was not under one before, he is on one now. the back story according to judiciary committee chairman jim jordan, the irs claimed matt taibbi's 2018 and 2019 tax return may have been a problem with identity theft, but he and himself were never notified, especially of the 2018 tax return filed a long time ago, that there was ever an issue and when they looked into it, found there was no monetary problem, the irs actually owed matt

taibbi money. so that goes to show it could have been political intimidation. the irs agent left a note on his door because he was testifying that very day in front of the committee in front of washington, d.c. and his home is in new jersey. the irs is not commenting on this. jim jordan has sent a letter to the irs commissioner and treasury department asking for documentation and communications behind the scenes about this particular visit from the irs to see if there's any coordination or targeting of him as a journalist. but the bottom line is we have seen this evidence before. all of the things he laid out in the hearing was about the digital censorship and partnership between big tech and the federal government, but we have seen the irs go after people for convenient political reasons as well. time will tell, but it sure -- the facts that we have make it look like they are visiting for a political purpose. >> john: folks at home say they

have heard of fbi knocking on people's doors, but why the irs? wall street journal bigger question, when the irs dispatch agents for surprise house calls. typically when the irs challenges some part of a tax return it sends a dunning letter or seek more information. if they want a return, it schedules a meeting. it does not drop by unannounced. i might have missed it, i've never heard of this before. >> yeah, and you know, looking at the details that we do have about this, no information given either to matt taibbi or his accountant about there being a problem with his tax return until this time. and some information shows that the irs agents may show up if they are dealing with a monetary issue that is unresolved after doing this process, but this process was never put into place and it happened the very day that matt taibbi was testifying in front of the subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government and i would say it's

pretty blatant. maybe they don't care whether there is an investigation into the weaponization of government. >> john: according to the associated president, a federal judge has ruled that former vice president mike pence will have to testify looking into the grand jury looking into january 6th. pence had fought it saying he would not be subpoenaed against a president he worked for. >> vice president pence was concerned about the precedent when it came to future presidencies, clearly he lost his bid not to go and testify. whether he'll be able to provide add additional information to the grand jury, we'll see. >> john: i assume he will appeal. see where it goes. >> sandra: manhattan grand jury investigating former president

trump could recommend charges as soon as tomorrow after national enquirer publisher made his second appearance before that panel yesterday. bryan is live outside the manhattan criminal court for us. why would pecker's testimony be important? >> well, hey, sandra, look. david pecker is a long time friend of trump's and the former chief executive of the parent company of the national enquirer, and provided information to prosecutors that helped put michael cohen behind bars over the hush money payment made to adult film actress stormy daniels. and yesterday pecker went into the courthouse an hour and a half, his second time testifying before this grand jury, and in 2016, pecker alerted cohen that daniels was shopping around her story of an alleged affair with trump. cohen paid $130,000 of hush

money. trump denies the money, but said he personally reimbursed cohen. and trump called alvin bragg's effort to indict him over the payment election interference. the former president tried to explain truth social posts. first the photo he posted and then took down, a bat next to a photo of d.a. bragg's head was not his fault. he says it was a photo used in an article that he posted. then explain the another post warning of potential death and destruction if he's indicted. >> i posted a very positive article and whatever picture they put up, they put up. my people didn't put up the picture. i didn't say do something bad, i am afraid people will do something. >> bragg says he and his staff have received death threats. sandra. >> sandra: bryan, thank you,

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about the nashville shooter. 28-year-old audrey hale was under a doctor's care for an emotional disorder. the chief noted that the shooter had purchased seven firearms from five local gun stores. she used three of those firearms in the deadly shooting at the nashville christian school. coverage continues as we begin hour two now of "america reports". i'm john roberts in washington and sandra, the tragedies just never seem to end. >> sandra: good to be with you, john. learning more details out of that news conference, it happened a short time ago. police say the shooter did not specifically target those six individuals who were killed. >> john: the head of the school, katherine koonce was shot in the hallway and custodian mike hill was hit after the shooter sprayed bullets through a glass door. we saw that through the bodycam, the others were three children, including the pastor's daughter and another adult.