28-year-old audrey hale was under a doctor's care for an emotional disorder. the chief noted that the shooter had purchased seven firearms from five local gun stores. she used three of those firearms in the deadly shooting at the nashville christian school. coverage continues as we begin hour two now of "america reports". i'm john roberts in washington and sandra, the tragedies just never seem to end. >> sandra: good to be with you, john. learning more details out of that news conference, it happened a short time ago. police say the shooter did not specifically target those six individuals who were killed. >> john: the head of the school, katherine koonce was shot in the hallway and custodian mike hill was hit after the shooter sprayed bullets through a glass door. we saw that through the bodycam, the others were three children, including the pastor's daughter and another adult. they believe she had some

training in shooting from an elevated position. >> sandra: police were quick on the scene there, they ran immediately toward the sound of gunfire. it's all captured on bodycam footage, including the two officers who eventually took down the shooter. we are waiting to learn of a potential motive. >> john: what have we learned since we last spoke and since the police chief held his press conference there? >> well, john and sandra, learning a lot of new details about the shooter who brought terror to this nashville christian school behind me. in the last hour, metro nashville police chief john drake confirming first to fox that the shooter, audrey hale, had legally purchased seven firearms at five different stores across the middle tennessee region. she was being treated for an emotional disorder and her parents were concerned about the

guns. her parents thought they were gone but instead, audrey hid them throughout the family's home. and sadly, six lives were taken yesterday in this senseless act of violence. i want to go over the names of the victims. we know three of them, only nine years old, among the adults, a custodian, a substitute teacher, and the head of the covenant school. a team of five officers responded to the school after the gunfire broke out and these are the two officers who shot and killed the suspect. the shooting was over in 14 minutes. this tragedy unfolded after police say a heavily armed 28-year-old audrey hale shot through the locked door to get inside. police identified hale as transgender and today the chief explained the bravery that he saw on display by his officers. >> she had a red bag, they asked her what was in the red bag and i think she just dismissed it because it was a motherly thing,

and didn't look in the bag because at the time she didn't know that her daughter had any weapons. >> and i want to apologize about that, that was the chief explaining, rather, how audrey was able to hide some of these firearms throughout the family's home. we do know that police executed a search warrant yesterday at the family home where officers found a sawed off shotgun and a second shotgun. but again, he spoke with us this past hour, one-on-one with fox, and then he gave another press briefing later on, and throughout both of those, chief john drake reiterating some of the horrific details about how this act of violence was carried out, also praising his officers who exhibited so much bravery showing that they are willing to uphold the oath of protect and serve. back to you. >> john: all right, c.b. cotton in nashville, thank you.

>> sandra: fox news alert, attorney general merrick garland set to face questions from lawmakers as the justice department faces accusations of weaponizing the federal government against the biden administration's political opponents. from the feds investigating parents protesting at school board meetings to the investigations into former president donald trump. and now we are learning that on the same day a journalist testified in congress about government censorship at twitter, that journalist got a surprise visit from the irs. an agency that has a history of targeting democrats' opponents. remember lois lerner? jonathan turley in just moments. but first david spunt is live outside the justice department for us. david, what will garland's message be? >> he could have many messages. the attorney general is expected to be on the hill to talk about his budget requests for next fiscal year to try to get money for the department. as these things always go, it becomes cart blanche with

members of the house and senate, they can ask whatever they want, expect him to talk about a lot of topics, including the fact that he's the chief law enforcement officer of this country. we are seeing violence rise in cities large and small, that's just one of many different issues in order to get the funding expected to answer questions how the money is being spent. as you mentioned, republicans are insisting there is a dual system of justice, "weaponization of government," something they have been talking about for months now. now that they are in the majority, they say they are looking into it. there is actually a committee in the house called the weaponization of government. sandra, we also know a potential topic would be former president donald trump. now, several republicans have asked, even suggested that manhattan district attorney alvin bragg's office may have been coordinating or just discussing the investigation that grand jury investigation we are waiting to learn more about in manhattan with the department

of justice. doj officials say it's not the case at all. the former president right now still waiting to see if he's going to be charged with a misdemeanor or felony. we know the grand jury itself is wrapping up business on this case. last night the former president claimed that any prosecution of him is unpopular. listen here. >> i said i'm afraid that if they do this, which is a fake prosecution, my worst enemies say he's totally innocent. i mean, i can't believe -- people that have never been positive to me or defended me that don't like me, the other side of the world, these are people that said you can't do this prosecution. >> justice department officials have said to me the mission here at doj has nothing to do with what alvin bragg is doing. this is federal, that's state, they deny any coordination between the two offices. but expect that to potentially come up when garland appears

before senators today and also members of the house tomorrow. sandra. >> sandra: david spunt live at the justice department. thank you. >> john: constitutional law attorney, john turley. back to the possible indictment for the stormy daniels payment, trump thinks bragg has dropped the case. do you have an idea that could be the case, discussions peaked a couple weeks ago, not a whole lot since then. what do you think is going on? >> john, all we know it's not going that smoothly or certainly that swiftly. there were expectations of an indictment in previous weeks. there is reports that even bragg's own office is expressing concerns over how weak the reported indictment would be and that he may be having trouble in the grand jury room. but the other hand, if he's

dropping the case, it's a curious thing to bring in david pecker yesterday to testify. there seems to be at least some interest in getting an indictment. but the real question is whether the grand jury has been sort of peaked in curiosity, after michael cohen's lawyer showed up waving 300 emails and saying these contradict their star witness. >> and a letter as well saying michael cohen saying i did this myself, nobody paid me back for it, all my idea. you also in a recent article about about all of this quote some polling that suggested the majority of people think bragg has a weak case, indictment is politically motivated and the payment to stormy daniels was not a campaign contribution but was personal. >> well, that's the real question, john, how frank the prosecutors are with the grand jury. in order to establish this federal crime which they reportedly are going to try to

boot strap to kick up this misdemeanor, which is out of time, it's expired, so they have to boot strap it into a felony and the report is that they are going to try to prove a crime at the department of justice declined to prosecute. in order to do that you have to show that he paid this money with the soul purpose of influencing the election. well, there are lots of purposes for a celebrity and married man to want to hush up an affair, and it's not uncommon for third parties to play that role. we just saw recently with hunter biden, for example, accused of potential tax crimes had an attorney and a friend pay off those tax debts, according to some reports. so in order to show a criminal conspiracy, you have to show this very tight nexus. it's not clear if the grand jury is looking at that and saying well, i could think of a lot of reasons why you wouldn't want an affair with a former porn star

to come out. >> john: a couple of other items to get t quickly. federal just ruling that mike pence does indeed have to testify to the grand jury looking into january 6th about the conversations that he had with president trump about overturning the election. we are told by a spokesperson by former vice president mike pence he is evaluating options at the moment. don't know if he'll appeal. what do you think about the judge ordering him to testify? >> well, the odds were on the department of justice to get this testimony, a strong preference the public is allowed to hear testimony, particular grand jury on something of this kind when there is alleged crime. pence was advancing a very novel argument that he was not just an executive branch official but legislative branch official because he was presiding over the senate. that actually has not been resolved by the supreme court. so that may push him towards an appeal. but unless he does appeal, he'll

have to testify. what's not clear is would it be a good thing for him to testify. pence has been very open and in my view commendable in his whole role with regard to january 6th, but he has also swatted down certain arguments related to conspiracy of insurrection and that type of thing, he's been middle of the road. he has not spared the former president of criticism and not spared those who write it on that day. he may not be everything the prosecutors want to hear from in the grand jury. >> john: all right, we'll see which way that goes. final topic to get to with you. irs agents knocking on the door of journalist matt taibbi the same time he's testifying before congress. forgive me, i've never heard of the irs knocking on the door. >> it raises a lot of concerns. i testified before the same committee, both taibbi and i

were both attacked as were all of the witnesses as the democrats, called him a so-called journalist. a former senator who called people who testified putin lovers and fellow travelers of insurrectionists, that's how unbelievable the hearings were. now to have the irs show up at the house of one of the witnesses, obviously raises a lot of concerns. it doesn't mean this is going to prove to be politically motivated. but it reminds you of the lois lerner controversy during a prior democratic administration, where there's a lot of concern about conservative groups who were targeted. irs and lerner herself admitted that was a mistake, but then she pled the fifth and refused to testify, was held in contempt, but the justice department refused to prosecute her. >> john: that's another one we have to keep an eye on. john turley, great to get your legal opinion on things.

appreciate it. i would not want the fbi or the irs or any federal agency on my doorstep. two tax returns, 2018, 2021, potentially a case of identity fraud? what's that about? >> sandra: deserves some attention, for sure. evidence of the growing crime crisis in chicago that sent lori lightfoot packing. 12 people this weekend shot, two dead. and a chicago man charged with shooting a woman in the neck and since the show went to air 73 minutes ago, a man fatally shot while driving in the city. >> the issue on the minds of voters as they get set to solve the problem. the democrats running for mayor cannot agree how to get tough. can any of them keep the windy city safe?

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>> john: a deadly arson attack near the border, mexican officials say at least 40 people are dead and dozens injured after a fire at a detention center less than a mile away from el paso, texas. they say it started when migrants started mattresses on fire over fears of deportation. alexis mcadams is live in mission, texas with the latest on this. alexis. >> hi, john. not the first incident near the detention facility, the migrants have been waiting for months to

try to get into the united states. tensions have reached a boiling point there with immigration officials. we'll get to more on that in a second. after the massive fire inside that detention facility left so many dead, there was chaos as people tried to find their loved ones, watch. this facility in cuidad juares, mexico, left 40 dead and others injured. one of the deadliest incidents at an immigration facility in mexico. the president of mexico says the migrants were set to be deported and they lit a fire inside when they found out in protest. the migrants are held in the facility in mexico were part of the thousands waiting to cross

into the u.s., wanting to enter through el paso, texas. border patrol tells me that sector is the busiest in the country with more than 1,000 migrants crossing in every single day. >> here we don't really see people turning themselves in, we don't see many families. most of the people we come in contact with are single adults looking to avoid apprehension. >> so this morning officials calling for a full investigation and it continues this afternoon. this comes as one of those detention centers we are talking about is just one of many that continue to struggle, john, with the overcrowding there in mexico. back out here live, one more quick look at one of the incidents that happened near this facility we are talking about. fox cameras capturing this, 1,000 migrants rushed on the bridge trying to get into el paso, texas. that was only two weeks ago. a lot of issues happening at the facility and the southern border. >> john: so much manipulation of the migrants by the cartels, and now it has turned deadly.

alexis, thank you. sandra. >> people are afraid. i mean, we feel completely defenseless. the city does not defend the police, police cannot defend us and we are not allowed to defend ourselves. it's kinds of a hopeless feeling that nothing is going to happen to change it. >> sandra: remember her? that was diana, there she was just walking her dog in one of the nicest considered safest neighborhoods in chicago just before christmas and she was held up at gunpoint. just a horrific scene there, all too common on the streets in chicago. 11:00 in the morning that happened and the sense of fear, frustration, that sent lori lightfoot packing. and one week chicago voters head back to the ballot box and you better believe crime is the biggest issue for that. let's bring in emily compagno.

great to have you here on set. thank you for joining us. not to take away from economic issues, but put them together in the city. businesses have fled because of the skyrocketing crime rates, the tax hikes, all is disastrous for a city i once loved and it's just getting ripped apart. so what do you think happens here? obviously we are watching the mayoral races. can voters speak up and put leadership in the city that can turn things around? >> i think they hope that is the hope, right. and i think what's interesting about this particular run-off election and this particular, it's sort of an either/or. and some of the voters have been vocal and said this is essentially a representation of continuing what we have done for the last 30 years or this is changing things up. but as you describe so eloquently the devastation residents feel the hopelessness,

six out of ten voters placed violent crime at the priority. historical low in parents' faith for the public educational system. important aspects reflected in polls and people's despair, those are the forefront of this particular election. i note that the mayor will be in charge of moderating the renewal of the teachers' union in chicago. that is a massive undertaking. i worked with the unions as a federal attorney, it is a sticky, difficult, endless sea of a place where it's real hard to give and i fear for that city, frankly. i think the strong hold the teachers' union has and this is the way it's always been done, i think that represents a lot more in a city like that than other urban areas. >> the video we were showing of the horrific crime incidents that have happened in recent weeks and months, you think about the businesses who have

fled, the small businesses, i'm thinking about the deli owners, the restaurant owners who say they cannot control the crime, cannot keep their staff, their customers safe. you see scenes like this. saw the subway or the l train in chicago, have to use public transportation, they are terrified to do so. makes it more difficult and expensive to get to work. this is pamela bossily, her son was killed in 2006. this is from july 2021 on people who she says they just don't care what's happening anymore. >> it seemed like sometimes we feel hopelessness, we feel people don't care and these kids, our young people, they are striving to be somebody and do the right thing. >> interview was absolutely heartbreaking. some of the statistic, thefts up 23%, motor vehicle theft 126%,

burglary 10%, total crime up 46%. now the mayoral race, whether they were asked in a recent mayoral run-off debate last week about soros' backed d.a. kim fox and whether she's doing enough to keep the city safe. >> has kim fox and her policies made chicago safer? >> she has led with an incredible amount of integrity. she has been a part of the type of reform that's needed. >> she has not been aggressive at keeping dangerous criminals off the street and the data clearly states it. >> sandra: very different viewpoints there. >> that's right, and respectfully, i don't know how johnson can say that with a straight face. and arrests are down 76%. how is it that crime has escalated and up to the triple digits and yet arrests are down because there's no funding, no support. how can you with a straight face say cold cases, investigations,

arrests, violent crime management, business, and a woman robbed at gunpoint at 11:00 a.m. in the driveway say we are in the right place. we need support and enforcement for those who support the laws, and not reduce or blur the line of what is a violent or nonviolent crime so. many clear data points have led to the erosion of its safety. >> sandra: and diana, she went packing. these residents, they are fed up. they have had enough. they have flee the city. in that interview told us that she didn't want to reveal where she was but she had packed her bags. your true crime podcast, emily compagno, tell us about it. >> thank you so much. today the episode dropping today, spoke with a fbi agent on

the yosemite murders, and we talked about the toll on law enforcement, mental health issues and fascinating deep dive so. what sets this true crime podcast is the level of intimacy my guests have, they are the closest person to the crime. fascinating through and through because of the guests. >> sandra: you are amazing, emily, we will be listening for that. love having you. >> thank you so much. >> john: deadliest outbreak of tornadoes to hit mississippi in more than a decade and families that lost everything still in shock and unsure about how to move forward. how you can help those families in their moment of need. we'll tell you coming up. >> sandra: very important stuff. plus defense officials testifying in the senate about the growing threat from china. that's as vice president kamala harris tours africa where the u.s. has been losing ground to that country for years. is a trip from the v.p. enough to put china in its place? we'll put that one to lieutenant

general keith kellogg. he's on with us next. >> the peoples republic of china remains our number one long-term strategic security challenge. prc actions are moving down the path toward potential confrontation with its neighbors and the united states.

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with the debris from the buildings. long road to recovery many towns are now facing as they begin to try to pick up the pieces. charles watson is in emory, mississippi. how is the clean-up process going? >> hey, good afternoon, john. the clean-up process is going well. they seem to be making good progress but the folks who live here in amery certainly from a long road ahead of them and it is really evident when you walk or drive down the street like the one we are standing, and an aerial perspective from the drone, you can see there are several buildings, many of them businesses that have significant damage and really gives you an idea of how powerful that ef-3 tornado that swept through here was. a few feet away from me, a very large roof it was ripped off a building and sits in this parking lot as a twisted pile of

metal that's mangled. there are several businesses along this strip that have significant roof and structural damages. you can see a lot of cinder blocks and bricks sitting on sidewalks and streets. this is what it looks like here in amery for blocks and blocks and blocks. certainly in some of the more residential areas where many people's homes were just shredded apart and left wrapped around trees. what's been really interesting to see, john and sandra, is you know, despite the fact that a lot of these folks have been through some traumatic experiences over the last few days, they have kept the positive attitude. we spoke to one resident who told us that she was home when the tornado passed over her house and literally ripped her walls down. i asked her how she was so positive and she said look, she was just happy to be alive. she says her property can be replaced, her life cannot.

>> i cried when i was in there, no lie, but i ain't cried since i've been out, thank god to let me get out. whatever god got in store for me, you know. i'm still here. >> yeah, we heard from the mississippi emergency management agency a few hours ago who says they are going to start sending volunteers into some of these communities to check on elderly people who of course are some of the most vulnerable people in the aftermath of a natural disaster like this. they are also going to send some veterinary crews to check on some of the animals who were abandoned or lost after -- in the aftermath of that tornado. john, they are also looking for folks to still give donations, folks need water, they need food and hygiene items. you can check on the mississippi website, a list of locations to make donations and what type of donations they are looking for, john. >> john: when you take a look

you wonder how anybody could maintain a positive attitude in all the devastation, destruction, debris, where do you even begin. they are doing it. god bless them. charles watson. fox corporation is proud to be a member of the red cross annual disaster relief program. the company has donated $1 million to help the people on the ground in mississippi and other southern u.s. states. join right now at redcross.org/fox forward. >> sandra: the folks need help. despite promises no american would be left behind from the withdrawal from afghanistan, nearly 200 americans still remain in that country. now we are learning from secretary of state antony blinken several of those u.s. citizens are being held by the taliban. senior national correspondent rich ed son is reporting live from washington. what do we know about the americans who have been left behind? >> good afternoon, sandra. some americans have been in afghanistan since before the

evacuation, others went after the u.s. withdrawal. that's according to secretary of state antony blinken. he says his department is in contact with about 175 americans who want to leave, 44 of them he says are ready to go. blinken maintains officials are working to get them out of the country. for others, leaving is much more difficult. >> congressman, there are several americans being detained by the taliban. we are working to secure their freedom. the families have asked we protect their identities and don't speak publicly to their cases. >> blinken says since last august the state department has helped 975 americans leave afghanistan. united states withdrawal in 2021 led total ban's rapid seizure of the country, a chaotic evacuation from kabul, including a terrorist attack in kabul's airport that killed more than a dozen u.s. service members. congressional republicans have been investigating the u.s.

withdrawal. house foreign affairs committee chairman has just subpoenaed the state department requesting a july 2021 cable from a dozen officials working in the kabul embassy. ahead of the troop withdrawal, they warned of the country's collapse. from the state department confidential dissent channel, raise concerns about official policy. they say the state offered the foreign affairs committee a briefing on what officials wrote in the cable. he is demanding the actual cable and secretary blinken's response. sandra. >> sandra: live from washington. rich, thank you. >> there's really an underreported arms race in the western pacific right now, these countries are arming themselves up and want the united states, in the next five years are going to be determination what comes with the future with china. >> john: sounding the alarm from

the growing threat from communist china. it comes as kamala harris is travelling through africa as part of a week long mission to renew u.s. influence in the continent. turned into a proxy battle as beijing has loaned billions of dollars to african leaders and then seized rare earth minerals leaving them forever in debt to china. let's bring in retired general keith kellogg. let's quickly get you to talk about what milley was talking about here and the threat from china, he's suggesting in five years from now they'll have so many weapons like a porcupine. >> look, here is the frustration i get with the military. first when you look at the defense budget they have, now, they talk about china as a competitor. say okay, i don't think china is a competitor, but france is a competitor. china is an adversary. and pacing challenger is, i

don't know what that is, that's a new term i've never heard used. when you look back on it, step back and think what's going on. at the end of world war ii, ok, iron curtain on europe and the truman doctrine in the soviet union. tell me the policy towards china right now. we don't have one. there is no policy, strategically of how we are going to handle either economically or militarily, and we talk about it on capitol, general milley talking about it, lloyd austin talking about it, and nobody has a big solution and then diplomacy, look, let's use an example what they did, debt diplomacy to build a court, could not fulfill the debt, take over the port. in kenya, they are placing themselves in africa, 54 countries, but they placed themselves in a good place and what do we do, we file a flight plan of going to africa and they

have a plan to go into the continent and how to take over infrastructure and they do it so they can enforce what they call the old one belt, one road. >> john: call for number 2, stunning as you point out, 54 countries in africa, 29 have got substantial loans from china. china goes in there and says you want a 5g system, we'll build it for you for pennies on the dollar. and when they can't pay back the loan, ok, we'll own the system and all the intel is funneled back to china. build you a port for pennies on the dollar, ok, great, we'll take over the port. how far behind the curve as kamala harris is visiting, how far behind the curve is the united states there. >> we are not on the curve. the strategy of one belt one road how to use it and build infrastructure and take over the ports. we happen to show up and say ok, we are here, nice we are here

but we don't bring anything to the table like they are. >> so, the u.s. is promising $55 billion in financial aid investment in africa. i think kamala harris went over there with a check for $130 million. china, trade between china and africa is now at $200 billion a year. 10,000 chinese companies are doing business in africa, and the total value is more than $2 trillion. how do we compete with that now? you have kamala harris going to three countries, i think obama went there four times, george bush went to six countries, bill clinton went to six countries. this administration is like ok, we'll go t three countries, maybe biden will go, we don't know. >> i'll to the leap. look at the hemisphere. honduras said we will recognize china instead of taiwan. that's because the chinese have made inroads in latin america as

well. forget the monroe doctrine, they are all over and have a plan to did it. i go back to what's our plan. we had a plan against russia and the soviet union, the truman doctrine, what's our plan for handling china. there isn't one. the last administration, it took us two years, oh, covid took over and then we have to figure this out about china. >> john: global influence quickly leads to global dominance. >> sandra: "new york times" columnist taking aim at the parents right movement telling readers it's a trojan horse to give conservative parents the right to dictate what is taught in schools. columnist carol marcowitz over the battle to protect our nation's children. >> john: lawmakers looking at covid school closures. what experts are saying about the unprecedented learning loss

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news alert, to raleigh durham, the president is addressing the shooting in nashville. >> have a seat if you have one. still be with us as a nation, it's not hyperbole, as a nation we owe the families more than our prayers. we owe them action. you know, we have to do more to stop this gun violence ripping communities apart, and ripping apart the soul of our nation, the children to read and write instead of duck in a classroom. i have two shotguns, i'm a second amendment guy, my sons have shotguns. but everybody thinks the second amendment is absolute. you are not allowed to go out and own an automatic weapon or own a machine gun, not allowed to own a flame thrower, so many other things. why in god's name do we allow the weapons of war on the streets and at our schools. according to the law enforcement, the shooter of had

horror had two assault weapons and a pistol and what in god's name are we doing. these guns -- this is hard to believe, i never thought when i started my public life that guns would be the number one killer of children in america. guns. number one. it's sick and overwhelmingly a majority of gun owners agree. we have to do something. not just everybody, gun owners agree. there's a moral price to pay for inaction. last year we came together to pass the most significant gun safety legislation in 30 years, it was bipartisan. we got it done. and don't tell me we can't do more together. so i again call on congress to pass the assault weapons ban, pass it. it should not be a partisan issue. it's a common sense issue, we have to act now. people say why do i keep saying this if it's not happening, because i want you to know who isn't doing it, who isn't helping, put pressure on them. you know, i know you see on

television, it's not just merely the weapon in terms of the semi-automatic in effect. but the velocity with which it comes out of that muzzle, what it does when it hits the body. most bullets go straight through and out, leaving -- but it blows up on inside your body. what in god's name, what in god's name does anyone need that for in america? folks, look, i mean come and speak, what i came to talk about. i want to thank jake for the introduction and mayor lane o'neill, thank you for the passport of the city. and governor cooper, thanks for inviting me back to north carolina. he should know better but he's invited me back, we have been doing this a lot. where is the gov? there he is. by the way, if you had to name the -- >> john: president biden remarking on the covenant school shooting in nashville saying we

owe these victims of this heinous crime more than prayers, we owe them action. the president calling the type of rifles used by the shooter, audrey hale, weapons of war, though they are substantially different than weapons of war. they look the same, they operate differently and again, reiterating his call for an assault weapons ban. >> sandra: as we are getting for the first time new images of two more of the victims, one of the children, evelyn dieckhaus, age 9, seen there. the family has provided the photo to us. cynthia peak was one of the three adults killed, 61 years old, and the first picture that we have obtained of her, as our hearts continue to break, john. >> john: she was a substitute teacher at the school. back to the picture of evelyn dieckhaus, 9 years old, third grade, her family said our hearts are completely broken, we

cannot believe this has happened. evelyn was a shining light in this world. we appreciate all the love and support but as for space as we grieve. and i've got kids who are 12, you have young kids -- you just can't imagine getting word oh, your child was shot and killed in school. in school. >> sandra: our hearts are broken and we grieve for those families and we think about the community, and praying and our hearts breaking for the three children, the three adults, and countless others. those young children -- we remind our audience they were kindergarten through 6th grade and when we watched that bodycam video of those police who ran towards that gunfire and you watch that, you listen to the sounds in the school at that moment. sirens going off, the police yelling, and the countless number of children who lived through that horror, john.

and it's just awful. it is just awful. >> john: you -- when you watch that video, and i watched it a few times, it's like those officers were going into a war zone, and you know, it's one thing for officers who are trained in those tactics to go into a war zone or for our military to go into a war zone, but for kids who are 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12 years old to be going through that the same time, this will stay with them the rest of their lives. they will always remember the day when the precious young lives were taken by an individual who lord knows what short circuit happened in their brain to cause them to do this. and, i'm sorry, as trey was saying, it's got to be something we can do, something. >> sandra: yeah. cynthia peak, whose picture we have just obtained on the bottom

left corner, 61 years old, she was a substitute teacher at that school at covenant presbyterian. one of the three adults who was killed, and you just -- you just don't know. carol is with us, carol, if i could bring you in on this, on this conversation as we get these new damages. you, too, have young children and this country is just grieving for these families, those communities who will suffer and live through the memory of this for some time to come. >> absolutely. my heart breaks for their families. my kids are 12, 10, 6 -- sorry, 7, and yeah, i feel that they are just -- i can't imagine what the families are going through. i wish the president was more, you know, had more to say about this instead of just blaming the opposite party. his party was in control of the presidency, the house and the senator years and did not pass whatever legislation he thinks

would have stopped this. we need better security in schools, should not be office buildings that are harder to get into than your kids' school, we should protect our children. >> john: you know, carol, we think to the parents. the parents say look, their daughter was being, or daughter was being treated for emotional problems, under a doctor's care, we knew she had one gun, we thought that she had sold it. meanwhile, she had seven weapons that were secreted in the house and you have to ask you're the parents, she's living in your house and you don't know that she's hidden guns in your house? >> that's right. that has to be step one, it has to be the people that know this mentally disturbed person stepping in and doing something because what we reached a point we can't just rely on police that arrive after the fact. the nashville police did a stellar job, really amazing and so brave, but obviously the idea is we should be stopping these attacks before they happen.

>> sandra: carol, we have about a minute left in show here and john, you know, please do if our team can put those two police officers up on the screen and by the way, they had a team that they ran into that school with. but these two policemen, they are heroes. they heard that gunfire, they are in there a matter of minutes, they were able to get to that shooter. you just think about the moments that led up to that and they had a plan and the police chief talked about that. if god forbid this ever happened in their town to one of their schools that they were going to run towards that gunfire and they would take out the shooter and they did that, and it's on the bodycam video. it was something to watch. a plan that was made happen. carol, quick, final thought from you. >> final thought, if you have children and you are walking by a police officer tonight, thank you them for their service. this is the kind of bravery we expect from our police and the nashville police department really delivered.

thank you for your service, nashville police department. >> john: they are the 1 who pulled the trigger, but the whole team going in showing all the bravery. at one point they pass by a victim and you hear one of the officers puts his hand ahead of him and says keep pushing, keep pushing forward. we have to get the shooter. >> yeah, carol, thanks for joining us. good to be with you. our coverage continues, i'm sandra smith in new york. >> john: i'm john roberts. we'll see you again tomorrow. "the story" >> martha: thanks, guys. i'm martha maccallum. we're seeing this heroic body cam video of the nashville metro police officers running in to the covenant school. things you notice right away, they had a key to open that door. it's at the very beginning of this video. they ran towards the direction of the gun fire in an organized