phone call with this counterpart. so on this -- in this instance this didn't happen. but -- >> it's not true we read out every phone call with counterparts. i'm not confirming the press reports. >> in all of your conversations you've had with the prc leading up to this transit, are you confident that you have communicated or you are in a good spot that they might respond with heated rhetoric but that's it, or are you at all afraid that this might be sort of a pelosi 2.0 scenario? >> well, certainly let beijing speaks for itself. we, as i said in my opening statement there is no reason for them to overreact in anyway. it's a common occurrence, that president has done it six times before and other presidents of taiwan have transited the united states.

nothing unusual about this. let them to speak to its schedule, as i said clearly at the top there is absolutely no reason for beijing to react differently in this regard. >> thanks, hi, john. i have a question on the summit of the democracies. iraq is the only arab country participating. more adhere to democratic values. >> summit for democracy gives us a chance to speak at a multi-lateral platform with many nations about what we are all doing to enhance transparency and accountability and abide by the consent of the government, and we are delighted that iraq can participate, and we'll see what the next one looks like and who gets invited to attend and who participates. but we would hope that all

democracies as they look at the outcome of this week will want to follow suit. >> also in israel, you see the attitude of prime minister netanyahu disrespentful of the president? i mean, he's known to not have a good relationship with democratic presidents, including president obama, he used to address him publicly in the oval office. so, how do you see this relationship playing a role now in netanyahu responding to the white house call to find a compromise? >> look at his statement that he put out. there's a lot to -- there's a lot to like about it. i mean, he talked about searching for a compromise, talked about working towards building a consensus here with respect to these potential judicial reforms, he talked about how unshakeable he knows the relationship is between the united states and israel and he talked about his great respent for president biden. that's a respect president biden shares as well. these two gentlemen have known each other for 40 some odd years and the great thing about friends, i'm sure you have friends, you don't always agree with everything your friend does

or says, and the great thing about a deep friendship is you can be that candid with one another. >> thank you. i hear you saying there's no need for china to respond and yet they have threatened retaliation if the house speaker meets with the leader of taiwan. so, what is the administration bracing for? >> we -- what we hope to see here is a normal, uneventful transit by president wang, that's what happened before and no reason to be any different this time. i will let beijing speak for itself, i'm not going to speak for speaker mccarthy. no reason for the chinese to overreact. >> we saw what happened when former house speaker pelosi visited taiwan, there was a very robust backlash in response from china. so, wouldn't it stand to reason

the administration is bracing for something similar, some type of reaction? >> we'll have to see what beijing does. we'll have to see what they do. i don't want to speculate about reactions here to reactions. there should not be a reaction to this, since it's a normal activity. >> let me ask you one on tiktok, if i could. the president has warned about his national security concerns with americans using tiktok. does he also have national security concerns when it comes to other apps that are owned by bytedance, the parent company? >> the president always, when we look at apps that we allow on our government devices, you always want to take a look at whatever national security concerns might be prevalent there, particularly when it comes to data transfer as well as privacy concerns and just secrecy concerns. i don't -- i don't want to go beyond what we have said in the past here. we certainly have concerns over this particular app on

government phones. the president has banned it from government phones and we'll leave it there. >> classified documents, that's for you, for -- >> i'll take it in a second. >> two more questions. president zelenskyy told the a.p. in an interview he believes president xi should visit ukraine. does the white house agree? >> we certainly support at the very least a conversation between president xi and president zelenskyy and goodness, we have been saying that for weeks. >> and you responded to every part of the prime minister netanyahu statement he want is for the part he said israel will not make the decision based on pressures from abroad. i wonder if you could respond on that. >> you think it was selective response? >> you got every part except that. >> israel is a democracy and sovereign state and sovereign states make sovereign decisions. our whole point about this, and

our whole concern is the president has said this himself that we want to -- we would like to see decisions made there with a good friend like israel and israel is a good friend that are in keeping with consensus of -- and that can be done with the broadest possible base of public support. because that's what -- that's one of the key components of a democracy and israel is a democracy, and one of the great things we share, our two countries share are basic fundamental democratic institutions and principles and one of them is the broadest base of support for major changes like this. changes which affect the system of checks and balances. >> thanks. one question first on the summit. administration has said that an invitation to the summit is not some sort of stamp on whether the country is a democracy or not, but when it comes to those who were not invited, for example, two nato allies,

hungary and turkey, what was the reasoning behind not inviting them? >> i think addressed this a little bit yesterday. two nato allies, we value their participation in the alliance, of course, and that's important. decisions about invitations as you rightly said, we have said, it's not some sort of mark of approval or disapproval, but it's based on a lot of things, particularly progress towards basic human and civil rights and freedom of the press. free assembly, peaceful assembly. those kinds of commitments. we look at a lot of factors here when we put together the invite list. >> if i could, argentina, senator ted cruz this morning introduced, or announced he was introducing a bill to require the president to investigate among others the vice president of argentina. is this something that the administration is considering,

since you've done this with other south american leaders in the past just recently in paraguay earlier this year. >> i've not seen the reports or the comments made by senator cruz. i'm not going to get ahead. >> mr. kirby -- my question is about pakistan, not participating in the summit of democracy and beside that a lot of turmoil in pakistan, whether it's economic, political, judicial. is the u.s. concerned about it at all? >> certainly sorry they decided not to participate, that's their choice. they are also a sovereign state and can make these kinds of decisions for themselves. it's not going to change our willingness to continue to work with pakistan. we share a lot of mutual security concerns in the region, of course, when it comes to counter terrorism and all that work will continue. >> one more.

>> is it true that pakistan is providing some weapons to ukraine or not? >> you have to talk to pakistani leaders. >> one question on the democracy summit. how would you respond to concerns that the u.s. is boosting -- offering a reputational boost to the participating countries for the democratic credentials without even knowing if they fully bought into the idea of democracy in the first place. india is a participant, everything from india since 21 could not be argued as steps towards, you know, maintaining a democratic form of government. how would you respond to some of those criticisms? >> it's not a popularity contest, it's not why we do it. not about building somebody's reputation or not. it's about having meaningful discussions about the power of democracy and how democracies can be strengthened, deepened, and how they can grow. grow for themselves and grow as

a multi-lateral collection of like-minded nations, and there's a lot to discuss on the agenda with that regard and, i'm sorry, i lost my train of thought -- i was on a roll there. there is a lot that goes into this, and so it really is about making congress toward strengthening democracies around the world and that's the goal here. the invites change from year to year as you would expect them to change from year to year. >> no meaningful way to measure progress, right? you are monitoring progress, but no way to measure progress. india did not submit commitments during the last summit and they are praised for just participating in the summit. >> again, the summit for democracy is all about rolling up sleeves and doing the hard work and if you -- you know, back to the comments that we were, a little earlier about

israel, if you agree with another democracy on every single issue, why do you need a summit? the summits are valuable because democratics around the world are facing unique challenges and sometimes they don't get the answers to the challenges perfect every single time. that's why you do these things so you can have those kinds of discussions and you can work to improve their democracy and the idea of democracy around the world. it's very much a working summit. >> we have to move on. >> thanks, two quick ones, israel for clarify in terms of the president's remarks yesterday, urging the israeli government to find a compromise as quickly as possible. and the president said he hopes the prime minister walks away from it in terms of the proposal that's been put on the table. are those the same thing, i'm trying to see if -- walking away and generally taking it off the table? >> no, they are completely consistent. we urge israeli leaders to come up with a compromise as soon as

possible and the president's comments yesterday about walking away from it are perfectly consistent with finding a compromise that again preserves checks and balances in israel. >> in terms of potential conversation between presidents biden and xi, we go back and forth about the last several weeks. i think the concern at this point is that in the months ahead potential irritant, whether perceived or real that are only going to make it more unlikely. do you still feel it's something that could happen on the near term or something pushed off indefinitely? >> i would not agree with your assumption that things will make it more unlikely or less likely. president still wants to keep the lines of communication open, phil, and he has said himself that he looks forward to having another conversation with president xi and that will happen. it will happen at the appropriate time and when it does we'll let you all know. >> thank you very much, two

questions, is the white house ready to sit down with maduro's government to try to solve the political crisis in venezuela as suggested today? >> we are interested certainly in interesting continued discussions here, but i'm not aware of any formal meeting. >> and about the -- >> john: we are going to jump out there as john kirby, the national security council spokesman continues to take some questions. a couple of big items he talked about, the upcoming summit for democracy which kicks off tomorrow, also talking about the taiwanese president's visit to the united states, scheduled to meet with speaker mccarthy in los angeles a week from today saying no reason for china to overreact, and then talking about tiktok as well, because today is the day, sandra, the deadline for government employees to take tiktok off

government-supplied phones. >> sandra: and more questions could come up on the border following the hearing on capitol hill. jacqui heinrich is in the room. we'll dip back in there as the news warrants and when she's -- if she is able to get some questions fired off to john kirby or karine jean-pierre. >> john: hour two of "america reports". john roberts in washington. >> sandra: sandra smith in new york. remember china's fury the last time the nation's leadership buddied up with taiwanese government. >> john: chinese military dispachted warships and military aircraft to surround the island nation while firing missiles nearby. >> sandra: fast forward to today, the taiwan president is on the way to the united states set to speak with kevin mccarthy, despite official confirmation. >> john: even before the visit begins, china riled up,

threatening retaliation if the two of them do meet. >> sandra: greg palkot is live in london for us. hello. kick things off for us. >> hi, sandra. yeah, we have been hearing those words from washington, a lot of tough talk from beijing about the travel, or transit plans, set to arrive in new york and then to central america and next week the ronald reagan library outside of los angeles for another event and gets tricky. set to meet there is house speaker kevin mccarthy as well as other congressmen. beijing official promising today "resolute counter measures if this were to happen" warning all, frankly to stay away. and then fresh on minds when then house speaker nancy pelosi stepped off at the democratic island that china claims as its own. taiwan was absolutely surrounded by chinese military hardware on

the seas around the island and the skies, yes, even missiles directly over the place. the strong hint from beijing is there could be more of the same. guys, for her part as she was leaving said, and i quote here, independent pressure will not hinder our determination to go out to the world. and yes, we have been hearing from national security spokesperson john kirby, hoping that china will not use any harsh measures against taiwan if this visit goes ahead as planned. back to you. >> sandra: greg palkot on that, thank you, greg. >> john: as we mentioned a moment ago, deadline day for federal employees to remove tiktok from government-supplied phones. even as the white house appears to take a hard line on the app labelled a potential national security risk, president biden does not seem to be on the same

page, appearing on a tiktok video on st. patrick's day. both parties in congress hammered tiktok ceo during a hearing last week. remember this? >> i have seen no evidence the chinese government has access to that data. they have never asked us, we have not provided. >> you know what, i find that actually preposterous. you damn well know that you cannot protect the data and security of this committee or the 150 million users of your app because it is an extension of the ccp. just like allowing the soviet union the power to produce saturday morning cartoons during the cold war. >> john: let's bring in patrick murphy, former democratic pennsylvania congressman and former under secretary of the army and mike rogers, former republican congressman from michigan and former chair of the house of the intelligence committee. so, tiktok off the government-supplied phones. beginning of the broader action, patrick? should it be? >> it should be. a great piece in bloomberg by

margie murphy and talked about how tiktok is the trojan horse in america. it's not a tactical threat, but strategic, 5, 10, 15 years down the line. i positively agree china has control over it, that access to that data and we cannot allow them to be on government issued phones. >> john: mike, a number of years ago we had a conversation about the threat of chinese equipment under the core of 5g systems in some of our allies, britain, france, germany, new zealand, australia. >> once the app is operating on the phone, the government wants it out of their places of business, you can get other things in the background. who you are talking to, gps location, all that is important when you steal data from other folks.

the other piece of this, and the bigger piece of this is also the information operations that china uses tiktok to influence americans to a place that is either dumbing them down or actually pushing them in a direction that's favorable to beijing. >> john: i went on tiktok this morning because i was trying to find the video that i'm about to play and it said you don't have a tiktok account. do you want us to link to your twitter account or your facebook account, i thought no, i don't want to do that. we found it another way. st. patrick's day featuring the president of the united states. >> me too, i'm here at the white house, i hang out here once in a while. i'm glad he's here, glad he's here. >> happy st. patrick's day. >> all right, there is the president appearing on the same app he said you have to take off government phones. some people are saying wait a second, a little bit of a double standard going on here. >> i think most politicians have a tiktok account and he has to

talk to 150 million americans on it, including young americans. >> john: the city of troy found the wooden horse left outside the city by the greeks, bring it inside. >> i talked about three branches of government, rocks, paper, scissors. i think congress will act against tiktok. >> good opportunity. people are saying i don't want to lose my tiktok, i like what i'm doing, i'm an influencer, i make a lot of money, this is an opportunity to get in front of the american people what china is doing to the united states, not for, not with, to the united states. and i think this through the next election will be a big enough issue to start addressing big issues about how china, think about the collaboration with other awe -- autocrats,

iran, killed five u.s. soldiers, and reaction from china why we shouldn't allow them to free space to operate in the united states. >> john: to one democratic member of congress, ilhan omar, it does not make sense at all. what she said in response to a question about this. >> congresswoman, do you support a tiktok ban? >> i do not. what's being proposed right now in congress is censorship, it's against the first amendment, and it's going to disenfranchise so many people in this country. i want the people to be awakened to the reality of what this rhetoric is producing and it's not to protect them. >> john: patrick, she's a member of your party what is she not getting? >> i don't want to speak for her, but it could really, the trojan horse. they are getting the data and the intel from 150 million americans. they have already penetrated some of our companies, corporations in america, stealing their i.p.,

cybersecurity is a major issue. china wants to be a bully here. they understand what's going on. and that's why when you talk about even that the taiwanese president coming to meet speaker mccarthy. china will not and cannot -- >> john: are democrats just freaked out about the fact they could lose all the gen z voters if they ban tiktok? >> i think they are afraid of a backlash for sure and it's hard to explain this if you don't believe china has the opportunity to influence your constituents. this is a national security issue of the highest order. they are moving out, remember, xi met with putin and basically said 100 years ago there was a great event which is the revolution for the communist party and the precursor to the soviet union. he's saying it's going to happen

again and one of the tools is tiktok, and that's a small part of it. when you look at all the things coming at us from china, it's time we stand up and have the conversations and representative omar needs to get her act together. >> john: a new better world order is how she put it. mike, patrick, appreciate it. >> thanks, john. >> sandra: remember the scene last summer day after day of far left activists hounding the private home of conservative supreme court justices after a leaked draft opinion showed the court was set to reverse roe v. wade? federal law makes it illegal to protest at a judge's home with the intent of influencing a ruling. a lot of questions over why the biden doj did not arrest a single activist. today we seem to have a simple answer. u.s. marshals were told not to, and as republicans in congress once again accusing the justice department of twisting its powers whichever way benefits

democrats. david spunt has more, at the justice department for us. how are we learning about this now? >> memo in the form of slides and present are presented to merrick garland on capitol hill. to his surprise he had not seen it before. she got it from whistleblowers, not even on the job three months, but whistleblowers gave her this and goes through what we saw last year with the people outside of the justices' homes, most were peaceful, although the horrible incidents, he is still in jail, admitted to threatening to kill supreme court justice brett kavanaugh, still awaiting trial. as a result, attorney general merrick garland last spring ordered the u.s. garland to protect justices and hopes and families. released five slides from a u.s. marshal training material. slide two says making arrests and initiating prosecutions is

not the goal of the united states marshal service presence at scotus residences. >> the marshals were explicitly told to avoid unless absolutely necessary any criminal enforcement action involving the protestor. >> first attorney general's ever ordered the marshals to protect the residences of the justices and protect them 24/7. that's their principal responsibility. that does not mean that they are in any way precluded from bringing other kinds of arrests. >> sandra, you mentioned the federal statute from the books, 1950, 1507, illegal to picket and protest outside the home of a federal judge with intent to influence the legal official despite the training guide, do not engage in protested related

enforcement actions beyond that immediately necessary and tailored for the physical safety of the justices and families. clearly it does say get involved if a justice is in immediate danger, about your brit is asking why this federal statute was not upheld. and garland announced he wants to move away from having the u.s. marshals protect justices, and have them go back to the court and have the u.s. police protect the justices. >> john: despite in the grips of a major crime crisis, d.c. is choosing not to prosecute a large number of cases. new statistics show 67% of the less serious cases are declined. but the biden appointed u.s. attorney for the district of columbia says prosecutors bring charges for the most violent offenses. d.c. has declined to prosecute rate is higher than others like

detroit, chicago, and philadelphia. >> sandra: and that says a lot. the top prosecutor in st. louis is responding to critics' attempts to boot her from office. kim gardner is one of the progressive prosecutors elected with the help of mega donor george soros. she spoke at a surround taken -- table and dismissed what the critics want to say. [indiscernible] attorney general -->> sandra: and for the record, as you were reading along there, she accused him of not having background in the law, the missouri attorney general earned his law degree in 2013 immediately after his second tour of duty serving in iraq. he says under gardner some 12,000 criminal cases were dismissed as a result of her refusal to crack down on crime.

a.g. andrew bailey has led the charge to remove her from office, saying instead of helping victims her progressive policies are creating more of them. he joined this show last weeshg. >> we know that she's consented to ridiculously low bonds for violent offenders on the streets, hurting and maiming people. she's going to be held accountable and it's time for her to go. >> sandra: she has two weeks to respond in courto the attorney general's petition to oust her. >> john: so-called social justice reform became the hot topic on "the view" when the hosts discussed a poll showing patriotism on the decline. sunny blamed the treatment of minorities comparing it to uyghur muslims in china. >> as a woman of color with a 6'2" black kid in college and 5'7" black kid in high school, i

don't see that part of american exceptionallism, i'm sorry. i think this country has a lot of problems that could be solved, yes, maybe they are putting muslims in jail in afghanistan, i think you mentioned and china, putting a lot of -- more black people in jail here. >> sandra: and afghanistan was her first -- ok. >> john: i mean -- the genocid of uyghur muslims in china is an issue that has drawn world condemnation and i don't think i'll go much further than that. >> sandra: understood. we'll let our viewers decide what they think about that. irs is staying silent on the timing of its visit to journalist matt taibbi's home. house republicans demanding answers about the visit that reportedly happened on march 9th

while taibbi was testifying on the twitter files. biden dedicated billions in new funding. bring in our panel, elizabeth and grover. all right, i'm super pumped to have you both. liz, you have been covering the irs for quite some time as long as i've known you, that's been a while. is it possible this was just a coincidence as some are suggesting? >> it's abnormal, does not seem like a coincidence at all. i've testified twice for congress about irs and reform, and the same day matt taibbi is testifying about civil liberty violations, about government censorship coming from every corner of the government, this is a twitter files journalist, the same day an irs agent shows up at his new jersey house over a 4-year-old tax issue? usually they would send you a letter and meet with you over a fraud issue, not over identity

theft. so yellen testified she had not heard about this, she will look into it, and admitted yeah, usually they show up for fraud but let you know ahead of time. what's really important the irs commissioner stand up and say something about this. if he's silent about it, yeah, they did it to threaten, intimidate matt taibbi and i will say this. the irs knows sitting down with irs workers in their offices, across country, they know where to get their paycheck from, they know where they get the budget from. senate finance approves it. just approved 87,000 more irs workers. they don't explicitly say go do this, they pick up on dog whistles out of d.c. and if they feel it will help their careers they may show up and go rogue out of the blue. we don't know the particulars. irs commissioner needs to step up and say this was wrong or give details about what happened.

>> john: grover, this was jonathan turley on yesterday talking about this being reminiscent of the lois lerner case. >> reminds you of the whole lois lerner controversy during a prior democratic administration, a lot of concern about conservative groups who were targeted. the irs and lerner herself admitted that was a mistake, but then she pled the fifth and refused to testify. >> sandra: so what do you think happened here, grover? >> it's obvious that they sent an irs agent out to harass a journalist and this is a journalist, by the way, who was praised by bernie sanders as somebody who stood up to power. he wrote a book criticizing trump. this is a very left of center progressive journalist and reporting how the government was abusing twitter and censoring

twitter, sent an irs to the house the same day, message received. they did not get punished by allowing a single tea party organization to get the non-profit status you need to exist and raise money in the country. not only did they not fire the head of the irs for doing this, they said here is $80 billion, that's a thank you, an encouragement, that's job well done. do more of that and that's what the irs is doing. more of that intimidation, the irs union, money they give to politics goes 98% democrats. >> sandra: 80 billion from the inflation reduction act, 87,000 new full-time employees, 29 billion in biden's budget for this. you had darryl issa,

called it witness intimidation. >> waste of resources or more likely, individual on instructions or on his own attempting to intimidate a congressional witness. >> if this is the case, add it to the list of irs political targets. roll 'em on the screen, liz. and you whip through this. >> i worked with david burnham at the wall street journal of irs abuses by politicians to target political enemies. dates back to f.d.r. and j.f.k. was using the irs to target his political enemies, including lee harvey oswald. but what grover just said, the national treasury employees union, the federal union for government workers, they dominated, are dominated by

democrats, give mostly to democrat parties. irs worker unionized to. and dog whistle how they get their paycheck and runs the show. it's a brutal bureaucracy. it's not an easy bureaucracy to work under, a worker. congress is always fiddling with the tax code, they know where they get the pay from. >> john: we saw matt taibbi on the list of political targets, we are waiting confirmation of that. jim jordan sent a pair of letters to try to get answers. taibbi will not discussion the situation for the time being and the irs did not answer a series of questions from fox news, basic questions about how the activities show up at people's homes and whether or not taibbi's role in twitter files had anything to do with this. we are awaiting confirmation of that. the timing is really something.

thank you for joining us. john. >> john: sandra, update now on the condition of pope francis. he is to be hospitalized for several days because he has been complaining about a respiratory infection, according to a statement from the vatican. he does not have covid, though as anybody who has lived through this winter knows there are a number of other respiratory in -- infections, it could be a virus, bacterial infection, respiratory virus, the flu, a and b are a problem in this country and of course the pope could be susceptible to any one of those. as far as we know, going to spend a few days in the hospital. i'm sure the pope is receiving absolutely the best of possible care and we wish him a speedy recovery. >> sandra: indeed, john. hate to think about anybody having trouble breathing, that seems to have been the case.

tested him for covid, no covid. a lung infection he is dealing with, and so of course we all know that that can be, depending on the severity of it, it can take some time, john. >> john: it can, and being advanced age as he is, makes him a little more susceptible to the effects of more aggressive respiratory viruses. he's getting the best of care as you can imagine the pope would, and we hope he is back at work very soon. >> sandra: we'll continue to monitor that. >> john: a russian father convicted off social media posts critical of the war in ukraine is now missing just as he was sentenced to serve two years behind bars. the case brought against him comes after his daughter's drawings at school opposed the invasion. the school instructed her to draw a picture showing support for the russian army, instead it showed ukrainians fighting back and glory to ukraine. she was taken to an orphanage.

alexei has been on house arrest since the beginning of march but now russian media reports he is on the run. >> sandra: as the war in ukraine nears 400 days, ukrainian soldiers are getting a major boost in their training. five-week military training on british soil. objective to increase survivability, both with physical weapons skills and psychologically prepare for war. alex hogan is live in london, inside look at this. how large of an operation is this? >> this is a massive program and nine other allied countries send their soldiers here to the u.k. to train ukrainian forces and they practiced skills they say they help will help them survive. >> in a five-week crash course on british soil, weapons

handling, medical skills and how to uphold nato values in combat. >> learning curve is steep. no skills at all. >> target shooting is one of the main courses and as the skills improve, more obstacles are put in their way. >> you start to learn the defensive principles, attack principles. >> translators eliminate the language barrier. 200 arrive every 2 to 3 days. part of this program is teaching ukrainian soldiers how to survive in the trenches and also how to adapt psychologically, given how few of them have previous military training. >> all of this will help us to be ready for battle. >> said he like so many others had no experience fighting. he was an artist. >> i'll use these new skills to help my future brothers and sisters in arms. >> a very impressive experience to be able to be there, sandra, and again, 14,000 people have completed this program so far.

sandra. >> sandra: alex hogan, live in london, thank you. >> john: sandra, a massive development on the artificial intelligence front as the rapid growth is causing some concern. was the movie "the matrix" predicting the future? >> at some point in the early 21st century all of mankind was united in celebration. marvelled at our own magnificent. >> a.i. >> spawned an entire race of machines. >> john: and we know what happened after that. elon musk and some of the biggest proponents of new technology are sounding the alarm, calling or a timeout on the investment of more a.i. charlie hurt, so, elon musk, apple co-founder steve wozniak

and others say we need a pause, a.i. systems can pose profound risks to society and humanity. it's not to say that humans one day are going to be plugged in as an energy source, a battery for a machine world, but they are concerned this thing is moving too fast, charlie. >> it's really interesting, especially when you step back and you sort of think about, you know, normally think of a government agency or elected officials stepping in to sort of raise alarms about this. but what you have here are industry leaders, people who have an invested interest in a.i. and developing a.i. and winning the race to develop it the furthest who are the first ones sounding the alarm. and it's also interesting when you look at the situation -- this is not exactly a.i., but social media, a.i. of friendsship or making friends

and the inability for political leaders in either party to begin to grasp all of the profound ways that social media is affecting in particular children, obviously adults kind of have better tools for dealing with this stuff. but it's really concerning. it's very, very disturbing, and i think parents obviously, they see it first, but you know, you look at the situation with tiktok and i'm not endorsing this law to ban tiktok because i think there are some real problems with the legislation. but what's interesting is -- when was the last time we looked at republicans and democrats in washington agreeing on anything. they have come -- they are having their come to jesus moment right now on this kind of -- on the advancement of technology and maybe it's around a bad bill, but it's around a bill pertaining to tiktok and exactly this sort of area has leached so far into every aspect

of our lives. >> john: you could safely say charlie some of the algorithms involving the companies and apps do get into the idea of artificial intelligence. they say powerful a.i. systems should be developed only once we are confident the effects are positively and risks manageable. on that front, here is the way hollywood portrayed it. watch this. >> virus has infected skynet. >> skynet is the virus, it's the reason everything is falling apart. >> skynet is self-aware. in one hour, initiate a massive nuclear attack on its enemy. >> what enemy? >> us, humans. >> john: you say that's hold. the authors should we develop nonhuman minds that could replace us.

we risk loss of control of our civilization. charlie, they are warning what hollywood has been portraying here. >> yeah, and terminator came out 25 years ago. this is not a new problem, this has been something that great science fiction writers has been watching for a long time. and of course, the big question is when we -- when they talk about a.i. out of control, out of control by whom? the industries? or political leaders or humans? it's -- it's a tough question, and we are going to have to figure these things out or it's going to get even more ugly quicker and a lot of the social problems we have in the country today and around the world are exactly a result of this. again, especially among young people who don't, you know, who have not developed the tools for sort of developing, maintaining -- like fire. it's a wonderful servant but a

terrible master. >> john: great to get your thoughts, appreciate it. sandra, today chatgpt, tomorrow skynet, the matrix. who knows. >> sandra: who knows. charlie tells you what's on his mind. meanwhile, we are going to move on. heartbreaking -- i'm sorry, we are not going to move on to that story, we'll have that for you after the break. dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas refuses to admit the border is in crisis. >> john: will that translate to any change? republican north carolina senator tom tillis was in yesterday's heated hearing and he is standing by next. g expens. aww. [ audience cheers ] maybe try switching your car insurance to progressive. you could save hundreds. [ audience laughter ] thanks, tv dad. we'll think about it, okay? look what i found. -a puppy! -a puppy!

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>> sandra: department of hom homeland security secretary mayorkas is back on the hill. he was grilled over he does not have control who is coming over the border. they called on him to resign several times throughout the hearing. >> if you had integrity you would resign. and i will tell you the men and women of the border patrol, they

have never had a political leader undermine them. they despise you. >> what the senator said was revolting, i'm not going to address it. >> your refusal is revolting. >> are they members of the chinese communist party, you won't say. >> sandra: tom tillis, sir, thank you very much for joining us. so, what's your take away from this hearing? it got heated at times, multiple lawmakers calling for mayorkas to resign. what do we take away from this, does anything change as a result? >> i agree with it. i think that secretary mayorkas, i called for his resignation a month or so ago. you have to look back, in the last 12 months of the trump administration, about a half million illegal encounters, people coming across the border

for the first or one of several times. the last 12 months, we have had 3 million. what occurred over the last two years, a complete rollback of all the trump policies that were working. they were legal, they were constitutional, and they worked. and now we have an administration and a secretary of homeland security that i honestly believe thinks that open borders are ok. 80,000 people dying from fentanyl overdoses every year in this country is not ok. allowing the cartels to make $800 million plus for human trafficking is not ok. over 800 immigrants recovered dead on u.s. soil in in 2022 is not ok. not to mention the untold rapes, murders and assaults before they get to the border. secretary mayorkas does not understand the problem or he's willing to accept the consequences of it but either the two make him unfit to be

homeland security secretary. >> sandra: the numbers don't lie. this is -- the surge in northern border crossings as well, which fall into his lap. we've got october 22nd to january, 24,000. we have a problem at our northern border as well, senator. >> that's right. we do. and in fact we are hearing more and more. >> sandra: why doesn't he know this is happening and the performance is not good. why do you think he sticks around? >> i don't know. his popularity among the border patrol officers and council is all time low. may even be lower than biden's. but they are shifting away from border enforcement. we have a sworn law enforcement officers that are having to deal with the aftermath of these failed policies by the biden and mayorkas administration. more people are coming, more people are going to come, country is going to be less safe, more people poisoned by

fentanyl, and manageable levels two and a half years ago. >> sandra: what do you do about it, other than hold hearings and show publicly there is outrage about his handling of the border, what do you do now? what's the next step here? >> i'm going back to the border, went on a bipartisan delegation a couple months ago with democrat members, mayorkas is not willing to accept there is a problem there but members of the senate are increasingly aware they have a crisis and they will have a political challenge if they let it get worse. i hope we can do the work with the house to get the border security through, treatment for immigration policy when it comes to the senate, but even my colleagues on my side of the aisle that say unless i only secure the border i've got to go, it just does not make sense. >> sandra: that is something, and something every american sees happening every single day. appreciate you joining us.

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