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202016 election. trump's lawyer said manhattan district attorney alan bragg is stretching the law and for political purposes. arguing the charges are parent list because the payment is personal and never filed with the irs or sec. >> is a something made irrespective of the campaign. there was no is it a business record ... record his own personal files. but still the exact charges trump phases are unknown. so are the details about me in handcuffs, his attorney says it is possible he could have a perp walk and get a mug shot. that mug shot could affect his presidential 2024 presidential run. if you could actually why? his campaign raised $4 million a day after he became the first u.s. president to ever be fully indicted. shannon: bryan llenas reporting

for some new york. joining us now jim trusty. the veteran, check welcome to "fox news sunday". mike tate shannon. quick to start here. a lot has been made about the fact this is quote unquote a political prosecution. indictment. the chances when tuesday comes there's more in this case that we know. quick is conceivable. look, think about the grand a perspective we have here. we are talking about what should be a sealed indictment which is completely consistent with how donald treated differently than any citizen in this country. before we get to procedural, the starting point is we should never have prosecutors acting out on political to target people progress with the prosecutors, i was a prosecutor for 27 years. we were supposed to be judicious to me got started. figure out where they does the evidence lead? follow the rule of law. instead we have people announcing if you elect me i

will indict donald trump. it is no real surprise that we have people breaking the ethics of prosecution for political persecution is going to have suspect indictments, their motivations are suspect. that willingness to listen. is that we are guessing the indictment will look like is it will have legal frailties that will be subjected to a very legitimate motion to dismiss early on. shannon: this is not that we went out is the pretending potential. george's situation, the federal investigation with special counsel if you're working on that. now that there's been a historic change, do you feel like other prosecutors will be more willing to comport indict the former president? they will not be the first ones that seal has been broken. it is hard to know. look, think most of the american public was a you are a lawyer, donald trump fan or not, a lot of people are recognizing the blatant persecution angle that is being pursued here.

i am not going to crawl inside the heads of pas in georgia who have similarly announced they want to indict president trump or a d.o.j. led by attorney general who had unprecedented press conferences to celebrate his raid on mar-a-lago. something i've never seen for many prosecutor state, federal, local and years but it's hard to creep into their minds and figure it out. there is a commonality here which is that they are pushing the envelope legally. because they have decided to target a man and try to put charges on them rather than follow evidence and began judiciously as prosecutors like your ethics tell you to do. shannon: the present has quite a bit to say including this post on friday reading apart the judge overseeing this case he says the judge assigned to might witchhunt case, a case that is never been charged before, hates me that is all caps pretty goes on to say that is the same person who railroaded my 75-year-old former cfo to take a plea deal. he strong-armed alan, was a

judge is not allowed to try to make which did not plead viciously appealing. a coupling to break down there. first of all i am an attorney of my clients posted that was facing a judge would not make my job any easier, does it worry you? >> look, the president is a big believer in free speech as you know he's got strong opinions. think he is very frustrated some of his very loyal employees being caught up in the machinery of persecution. until he felt strongly about it. look i've never had a case in front of this judge i certainly reserve judgment. i think we are in a position where a fair minded judge never mind getting to would during and changes in venues and subissues there, think of fair minded judge is likely to recognize there's something fundamentally wrong and we're crossing the rubicon with this political persecution. thankfully, i suspect, the indictment will be legally frail will be an opportunity for the judge to do the right thing. we wish prosecutors would do the right thing but the judges are kind of the backstop on that.

it is despite the hysterics of the moment and frustration the present selling deserves to feel, this judge will do the right thing when he is faced with significant motions. extra time things to dismiss this other ways this think maybe it never get to trial. if you do get to trotwood to ask for a bench trial and for folks at home it's essentially letting the judge decide this case instead of going to a jury. what do you think is a better route for the president? possibly too early for that. there certainly some legal obstacles we expect there will be a problem for this prosecution if he gets that far. i think it's early to figure that out. god knows anybody who's ever watching legal show would like the opportunity to cross-examine michael cohen for the grand jury in this case probably should have issued one indictment and database for: perjuring himself once again for the grand jury to check what bob had to say as a lawyer after words.

i think the opportunity to expose the underpinnings of this prosecution and the frailty of their witnesses is a golden opportunity for anybody in terms of cross-examination. showing the case, relate letting the truth come out right now the truth is not anywhere close to coming out in terms of how this thing came together or why. shannon: at michael and his told several different versions of the story in this case it was enough and we think what we know about this indictment that it convinced in a grand jury is to vote yes to make this case proceed forward but if you do get to trail in any of these cases that there's an indictment in georgia or on the federal cases, which you took president trump on the stand? i've got to imagine is going to want to get up there and defend himself. light years away from them. hopefully it's an academic question, frankly. let me just say this. we always talk about the present strong personality, his resilience which is amazing to me. if i were him i would have retreated to golf a long time ago.

at the end of the day he's frustrated for the country. i think that serving to creep out and resume. he is worried he is literally the first person subjected to this new model of absent justice, political persecution. you let the genie out of the bottle with this new mode of prosecution. it's not going to go back by itself. it's going to be a problem for generations and i think he's very aware of that comment very concerned and certainly has a strong voice opposing it. but what we are longley optical research about legal tactics. shannon: given he's a big component of the first amendment enjoys expressing himself if they were a gag order any of these cases you think you would comply? was i thinking would comply but i also do not think is going to happen. your talk about why the reasons he's being politically persecuted disease running for president against somebody who unleashes d.o.j. against him during the election season. i think it would be very difficult for a judge to impose a gag order on a person running for president.

without effect the gag order would do that. >> weights it comes in the indictment on tuesday in chancery thank you for your time. turning south former attorney general bill barr, welcome back to "fox news sunday". let's unpack there. we do not know about this indictment. that accompanied a relationship at times. disagreement whether you quit whether he fired you all those things. when it comes to this you seem to agree this is a political prosecution based on what we know precook space and what we know salih appears to be think the american people see you then. it is the very essence abuse of the prosecutor functions. which is pursuing a person rather than pursuing a real crime. shannon: you know his critics say every american should be subjected to rule and order and justice. this present according to your times editorial board not surprisingly they think he flirted with that they think

donald trump spent years as a candidate in office and out of office ignoring and trying to bend the justice department and the judiciary to his limbs and behaving as if rules did not apply to him. ask the news of the indictment shows they do. peace in atlanta back in 2021 talk to your temp the d.o.j. city are widely seen as a trump lackey to politicize the justice department. so, did you ever feel pressure to bend the law or ignore? what you make of the president's critics and this is just catching up with him now? but he never directly pressured me too do anything in a criminal case. he sat there tweeting all the time which made my life difficult but he was calling for people scouts. he's not at me for not delivering scalps. the idea he i was a toady was fostered by the mainstream media which of his enemies were

prosecuted? who did i use the criminal justice process against? and there's usually crickets because there's not a case of that. but, the other thing about this is i think the case based again on what is being reported, the case lacks any legal basis. it is pursuing somebody -- like there's something inherently wrong or illegal about making a hush payment. they are saying he falsified the corporate record. but for that to even be a misdemeanor you have to be trying to defraud somebody and it is unclear who he is defrauding. this is his own company. and finally and most important from the federal standpoint the idea this was a campaign finance violation is simply wrong. it's wrong all along. shannon: he is facing other cases we got special counsel investigating our logo, the documents of the gentry six le lena, somebody who had at the d.o.j. are you confident they can be neutral that they will be in this case? >> i hope they will be.

and you know, as i've said repeatedly i think the document cases was a serious case i don't think they went after those documents to get trump. i think they actually one of the documents back. at issue in that case is not the taking of the documents is what he did after the government subpoenaed them and whether there is any obstruction. i think that is the most serious one out there. and the other one i think the generate 61 is a difficult case to make and it also runs into first amendment issues. where are you going to draw the line about genuine first member activity protesting an election and actually conspiring to undo election? that is a difficult case to ma make. but i am hopeful the department will approach her properly. six i will ask you what i ask jim trusty as well. would you put him on the stand question i've got to imagine any of these cases against a to defend himself.

folks well, i am not his lawyer. generally i think it's a bad idea to go on the stand and i think it's particularly bad idea for trump because he lacks all self-control. it would be very difficult to prepare him and keep him testifying in a prudent fashion. shannon: and asked what the back and forth your opinion on the house gop chair pretended them are going to brad's office that we what answers how using funding we want you to come testify this meant a lot of back-and-forth rates of brad's office fired back the latest volley in these letters, and his general counsel and pricing this, president trump has directed harsh against district attorney bragg and threatened on social media his arrest and indictment in new york may unleash death and destruction. you and many of your colleagues have chosen to collaborate with mr. trump's effort to vilify and denigrate the integrity of rescues and trial judges base of the brake offices were not clobbering at any of the seven house committees.

with they have jurisdiction or any authority to call him in to answer these questions? going to be a constitutional issue. it is actually bragg's seems to me is jumped into the federal arena. he is interfering in a federal election process. and, his case is built on alleged violation of federal law. he would not be able to survive the statute of limitations and not be able to choose what is a misdemeanor to a felony without claiming there is a violation of federal law. subkey is the one he was essentially led into the arena. the real danger of this thing over the long term is not so much narrowed to trumpets we have thousands of das around the country, now that the rubicon has been crossed. any one of them can find a federal canister settlement and federal officeholders and so forth can find some state law they want to pursue and get themselves into the national political arena.

shannon: you have served this country is aging more than once producing a lot of new year's in washington in this country for this is feel like one of those moments that we have crossed a line that won't make it a historical marker about the before and after of these prosecutions? >> one would hope this to be nipped in the bud by people who have some judgment. but i am doubting that. i do think this is a watershed moment and i do not think it's going to end up good for the country. part of the problem of course is the corruption of the media which has essentially contributed to the creation of a mob mentality in our country. incident date restraints on a mob thinking they have essentially encouraged kind of thing. shannon: which made that he and "fox news sunday". thank you for your time we appreciate it. six cap next to get wrecked into the trumpet died of a republican democratic senator joe manchin.

shannon: stated in the same for president trump's indictment has overshadowed everything else in washington big talk that for weeks for that includes republican senators intends to expand with the treasury secretary that blistering op-ed about the plan for high profile tax credit. if you'll stick with that or joe manchin of virginia perverse louisiana publican senate bill cassidy points me. senator, welcome back epoxies and they.

and if it would serve the needs of the president's i would be former president this week. opinion piece in the "washington post" says this. it is perfectly possible the charges against trump private damming. the process is set up with integrity and trumpets on guilty. large swath of voters cannot accept that as legitimate rocketing precisely because one of our major political parties refuse to acknowledge it as su such. what do you feel as a republican to communicate out there to folks we have got to let this play out? by two semi mate. >> no one should be above the law but no one should be a target of the law. as a built bar has said this is less about the crime and more about the target. so it has to play out. this has set in motion. but on the other hand but i think is a particular problem is it's going to lead to all kinds of political theater. theater and that's going to distract from the issues that are incredibly important to our

country right now. that is not just about one person or someone running for reelection as a d.a. in new york. but rather about the future of our country. whether it is also security, inflation, crime on the streets and unfortunately the theater will distract from that discussion. shannon: may have had variable defenses by keeping lawmakers not so much on the senate side. do you think we'll hear more? will we get a statement from mitch mcconnell on this? >> i cannot speak but mitch mcconnell i'll leave it mitch mcconnell to himself but i would not be surprised if they feel like i feel. again it is wrong. let's put this way known to be a target of the law. this seems to be more about the person than about the crime. on the other hand i think they would also agree we have major issues that are affecting family gathered around the kitchen table. this distraction, that discussion from the urgency of addressing this issue. >> got the debt ceiling, with cut budgets. the white house says this they

will be no negotiations of the debt ceiling at the blessing what mccarthy's offer that they're saying it's holding the full faith and credit of the u.s. hostage and risking economic chaos and catastrophe it also says the president's budget is about protecting and strengthening medicare and social security. you said that's not exactly true at least on a conversation about how to get there but here's a bit of an exchange with you and the treasury secretary a couple weeks ago. >> and why doesn't the president care? because he cares very deeply. >> and where is this plant? >> he sent a need to work because that is a lie because on a bipartisan group of senators has repeatedly requested to meet with him about social so that somebody was a current beneficiary will not see her benefits cut by 24%. have not heard anything on our request. shannon: essentially calling the treasury secretary a liar there about engagement for the white house when you heard anything from the president about this very real problem?

the statement she picked up and read was a lie. she was not a liar she was giving something which was a lie, number one a. number two the president has a plan for social security and his plan is to have no plan. he, and frankly formal president trump are both up to like the american people that there is no issue with social security i need do not have to do anything about it. because i think they think it is that political third rail for the third rail of social security should be allowing it to get a 24% cut. that is what is going to happen. we learned yesterday or friday it's going to happen a year earlier than it originally was going too. that should be the third rail. we should make working to prevent a 24% cuts. so far the two candidates for election or reelection or refusing to acknowledge. shannon: too that point you cite this insurance fund and some of my 31 the trust funds and solid by 2034. but, here's the deal. we put this to the testers the polling which a set of fox news

falling. we ask people how to our fiscal house in order. 71% say they want these programs to remain untouched. you know how democrats are going to play this. here's a little bit of congresswoman: talking about this. >> republicans have made it perfectly clear they do not want to govern. they would rather target vulnerable communities, scapegoat minorities. the eight would rather medicaid, medicare, social security,/snap and housing assistance that make your people have the housing and healthcare they need. shannon: it democrats are going to see you going to rip apart entitlement are polling shows people afraid for the programs to be touched. but, at the same time you touch on the insolvency coming in the automatic cuts that will come if you guys don't act. so how do you work against all of those tides to get a substantive conversation going? >> shannon, you put your finger on it.

71% of americans don't want social security touched, per the poet you just quoted, and events will be touched. we mashed down on 24% this president and the leader publican can't refuse to take the issue on. they are going to be cut. people need their benefits. this stops that they want them paid for many that's how they pay their bills. but under current law will be cut by 24%. none of the cheerleading cancel take the issue on. that is frustrating. that's working in see interest of the american people, that is what we should be discussing. shannon: it is something to bring to the forefront, a lot of people as you said if i detected they know it's going to be used against them. even approaching the topic will watch and see what you do on this. it's a very important point to make. cuts are coming if nobody does anything for a terrible cascade thank you much for your time.

thank you. shannon: children is now seven at joe manchin democrat from west virginia paid senator welcome back to foxy sunday. looks good to be with the "you are getting a lot of attention this week for an op-ed he wrote straight self that you have a potential second thoughts about the deal is made to get the inflation reduction act passed. you saved the administration is attempting at every turn to implement the bill it wanted not the bill congress actually passed. have you discussed it will you discuss mark. >> i sure hope so. i have been discussed with all of his basic administration is i'm very, very disappointed in how they have interpreted a piece of legislation. it is not how it was written, it's not the intent and not the agreement president biden and i had. i am hoping he intervenes and says we need energy security. we have to produce a fossil energy cleaner and better than ever before. we need an amount of that we can be energy independent and

secured as a nation. we can also invest in the technologies that will have energy for the future. we did both. they are trying to not implement a bill, shannon, that weight did not like and his ability to not pass. just do our job. follow the law, do your job. shannon: one of the sticking point is the new regulations the proposed regulations with respect to electric vehicles how much of that should be domestic production per unit of the white house is going to say they are relying on experts for these regulations there is a public comment period open to anybody wants to weigh in. isn't that the protocol? ask the protocol would've been to implement the bill exactly. we have laid out the bill and broke the bill in a way that told you what was processing what was manufacturing for the whole purpose was to bring basically reliable supply chain into america. be able to manufacture the batteries and cars here to the tax credits. that is what it is about energy security.

bringing down costs of healthcare, pharmaceuticals, and we have done that. but if they don't implement it in the way it was written and implemented in a way they desire they just want to throw caution to the wind and put more money out and throw more money from the treasury and credits that are basically not going to accelerate how quickly we can be totally self-reliant. there is nothing wrong with us bringing manufacturing. we should not be dependent and relying on china supply chain. i said i'm old enough to remember standing in line in 1974 to buy gasoline to go to work. i do not want to stand in line to buy a battery to run a vehicle. waiting on it from china. that is what we are doing and that is with the intent of the bill was. >> the point of whether or not you got snickered in macon until the white house, hot air right this advantage must distance himself from the administration he enabled distance himself from its results but that is

impossible. the vote on the ira came down to manchin. men should negotiate its terms. manson endorsed the policies and lack of control on biden's use of the bill of manchin listed talk about malpractice, maybe he should look in the mirror. your response. it is ridiculous. from the standpoint the right pieces of legislation. we expect the administration to adhere to the intent and how we wrote it too. it's in the bill, read the law. anybody who has that opinion is not read the bill. what we have to do now is we have to have a process to hold their feet accountable. i would say we brought down inflation we can do a lot more. we have got more drilling going on. we are producing more oil and gas that we did before. we are more reliant on ourselves that we were on foreign supply chain. we can do all of this. this bill is written for one purpose energy security, bring down the cost of drugs, be able to have it paid out of debt, which we had not done in 20

years. but now when they want to blow the cap off and when to fight and fight back hard. i'm going to help my friends and legislatures specially will feel the same way and work with us to hold the administration's feet to the fire. it's not trying caution to the wind. we have runaway inflation right now we still have high inflati inflation. we have a indents on the sunday crashing upon us and we are not doing anything to address that, not even talking about it for quite some of the animals look at the inflation reduction act even looking at scoring and other they will say this inflation reduction built was never going to solve the probl problem. problems and now is that why someone at your feet for voting for this? what's shannon, the bottom line is we have a chance to do something better, when you have an administration was going away from the dependable reliable fossil fuels that we have to have to run the country for energy security, when we are relying or say maybe we can take

the sanctions off of iran. come on you're going to the sanctions off a country that promotes the most horrific terrorist support around the world and give them more revenue to do harm to humankind? we know we have to have her own reliable resources. we can do it right here in america. you sent back and say i am afraid politically it might not be popular. i'm going to do what i think i can for my country. i think we did a piece of legislation that will do exactly what it was intended to do. we got to make sure the administration administers the way it is supposed to. the bottom line is we have brought down, with puller product into the market. we have done more leasing and permitting. we need a permitting bill that changes how fast we are able to get this done. when the democrats and republicans agree and needs to be done we just got to put a piece of legislation that works. we've got to work together as united states and not allowing the political adversity this

country keeps pushing us further and further to the extremes. greg said no you think the extremes you said you will do its best your country a lot of people are wondering whether you think that might mean a third-party rent for the white house question at politico says that you're not deciding on anything until the end of the year. you are also pointedly refusing to rule out a presidential run on a third party ticket. do you rule it out today? is it still on the table? >> here is the thing. only in america do we start the next election the day after the last election i am not done th that. it's underweight but i'm going to do my job. i want to get -- credit this debt ceiling and want to get this behind us, pay our debts pre-suit start trying to get our expenses down. we can do this with the amount of expenses may have the debt we are accumulating pay for 21 years, shannon, we have spent more money in america that we have taken in. you cannot run your household that way, new business can survive that way but yet here we

are. we are not doing our budget process that we are supposed to to get it done on time but that seems to billions of dollars. i have got a lot of work to every other senator and congressperson does. and her influence that conversation. >> everybody is worried about who is running for what and who is going to be desperate my main concern can we start a dialogue? or worn out, they are tired we only have's bickering and fighting, can't we come together quest applicants dialogue and they did middle cap to bring the extremes back to where they are supposed to be in a sensible reasonable middle? shannon: ended up a temper not rolling it out with a quick reaction from president trump's indictment. shoot is a very, very sad day for america. very sad day. especially when people are maybe believing the rule of law and it is biased we can't have that. abraham lincoln set a house

divided cannot stand. we cannot divide our country. but on the other hand no one is above the law. but no one should be targeted by the law. let's wait and see what comes out next week. i pray they come out and whatever comes out they've done a thorough examination and have done a thorough job is will show in the eu unchecked rule of law does work for all of us we just have to wait and see. very amazing day. six senator thank you always good to see you. >> thanks shanna, good to be with you. shannon: present former terms indictment but sees bibles in a complex predicament. up next to bring in the sunday group of the bombshell indictment news is reshaping the 24 campaign and the other major stories including the arrest of an american reporter now detained i

as a decoy circus i'm going to wait to see what percentage of that potential candidates get indicted. [laughter] [applause] >> it is over 25% and we will see how we are halfway there so you never know. shannon: 2024 candidate dropping one-liner about this. unusual primary season. time now for our setting up usa today washington bureau chief susan page, contribute minor fox news contributing writer richard balfour cheapest upper vice president mike pence, marc sho

short. and roger zakheim. welcome everybody. let's start there. this has a very unusual predicament for potential gop runners in 2024 they have had to rush to the president's defense is weak they've had to do it there now coalescing behind this guy that many of them are trying to run against. >> for sure, he could also be someone genuine too. think there's a lot of concern for people that passed over prosecution the department of justice passed over, the reality of this d.a. campaign on promise and pledge to prosecute donald trump or think there's a lot of concerns. district attorney decide i'm going to charge a democrat for political gain. i think it's a real abuse of the justice system. it's right republicans to denounce it. shannon: what awaited us 40 governor desantis who is not running but many think is hedging that way. torture read part is to eat he calls out this whole thing. florida it will not assist in xers requesting the special circumstances at issue this

manhattan prosecutor in his political agenda. since it there is no extradition request. this to get points on the board was his full throated defense of the men he may soon run against? because i'm not sure trump is going to get to santos points for much of anything. >> maybe not for him but for voters. repaired ground that he got a little dusty for him from his efforts to portray himself as someone gives you trump's and without trumping issue trump policy without trump chaos. this is i think of all the candidates you could think of, the worse for him. it does not really shake up the field it solidifies the republican field around the man who's been a runner. now according to your pole has 8:30 point edge over desantis. >> think about that. >> that is a lot of ground for anybody to make up. it's so familiar to republican voters.

some for the indictment president about picked up 11-point since february. do you think now that he's officially indicted we are going to have potential as a whole thing doesn't only gain him even more points? >> no doubt republican voters who are on the fence about president trump will now field more support in this moment. designate to take into account is impacted voters across the country in terms of their feeling about the presidency and they're feeling about key institutions whether it's a justice system, presidency, it was down in the low 16, will be looked at the reagan institute read this whole circus is going to play out now is just going to bring those numbers for the doubts metal loss for the country. shannon: the loss of institutional confidence we've seen that from a number of different agencies and the president certainly congress congress can speed up all the time you're always going to have better approval rating in congress around here. but somebody is also struggling a little better fox news poll,

president biden a majority of folks, these are democratic primary voters said they would rather see someone else than him. for comparison to personal bomb at the same point back in his presence 81% gas me love him, we keep him. richard, what's this president do question work what is plan b? expressive bite is an interesting situation most work in obama's favor is to use on the side i think what we've seen the media do over the past two years and biden's presidency is top of the presidents aged over and over again. >> but they love him but i think this idea of him being older is why the polls what's with a look if you look at the entire political field at this moment we are going to have going into 2024 is a president candidate likely on trial in new york and at the same time we are going have president bided governing. the question is, what did the american voter like more so in his governing acumen it float or do they like the trout was a

pouring star and a lawyer precludes this with her name that pulled this two there is no alternative to president bided burkhard to beat somebody with nobody. i think biden has that going for him. also the argument he makes he is the democrat to beat donald trump. shannon: said that before. he is upside out all the issues on foreign policy of the border and immigration, president biden has got a lot of ground to make up on all these issues. he would be running against those headwinds do we know people campaign and they were about their kids, crime, everything else they tend to vote against whoever is in charge whoever the party is. this is another point that very interesting this week. what is more important to presidential primary votes, your views at matching up as a candidate, 73% whether they can actually win in november, only 18% what does that say due? a lot of people about the personal and not so much of the ship in the general. >> is actually healthy for

singer going to put issues first. i think so far in the conversation we have struggled to actually put issues first there's much more of a debate around personality. picking actually get to the point american people having honest conversations about what is your plan for inflation? what should we be doing in the russian invasion which we do to combat china what should we do it on the border? that's going to be healthy. let's hold it a second i think there's an interesting point happening but if you go florida will ron desantis is the governor he is putting issues first he is divided to say pretty clearly wants to ban books. he wants to take down at disney world. shannon: is a lot more nuanced to what you are saying. he just won by 20 points and i don't how divided they feel. custom detected democratic voters they sent ron desantis ends on the opposite side but they care about which galvanizes them to engage in the primary debates, and galvanize them to engage in a conversation create a world in which republicans ron desantis is the nominee how do you win back independents when they seem to be said of the democrats?

>> back to marco singh a moment ago, it's about republicans focusing on issues of question the polling is about the prima primary. republicans in 2024 to focus on issue is progress compared to where they been in the previous election cycle. talks the issues are most anti- woke which is not an issue we do not know anti- woke means i think the republicans have a problem because a suite at issues, china would add to the top of the survey comes a foreign policy national spirits good for republicans to exploit issues as opposed to personalities but. >> is a good place to put a pin in it because we are going to talk about china, pennell stayed with us for a quick break. issues about china's threats over the taiwanese trip to the u.s. we will discuss that and more,

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>> they are detained there was a general partner. let him go. the rest of the wall street journal on spying charges the journal russia denies his allegations. is that the right tone or would you expect of the more forceful from the president? what do 30 does a real test for biden, turbo does not just for the nights is but terrible news for the world. fifty meg journalism that should not be a crime that should not land you in a rush of a pollutant trying to get leverage against the united states, will see a prison biden react to th that. caps off i think situations are horrifically tough for leaders. but this is outrageous that it is a return to the kind of cold war politics we have not seen since the ceasing of germans by russian progress mostly journal editorial boards i was he speaking out on behalf of the reporter evident gershkovich prince's astonish leaders keep doing some additional things they think they will pay no

price. diplomatic and political escalation, look at that look like? let's test more than a condemnation. i could involve sending reporters back to russia. it could be involved there ambassador being sent back to moscow. those are the sorts of things that happen to escalate and respond in kind and condemnation is not enough. good to recognize was going on the pressure. gershkovich alas article he wrote a spoken of the russian economy was tanking. is not to seat written about. he is censoring all media and russia, now including foreign press. shannon: richard were talking about it during the commercial, glad to get brittney griner back in. that was leveraged and exploited by the putin administration. but we came update merchant of death for her. what bargaining chips we have now?

that was a pretty powerful gap for the russians regrets i get that we know merchant or sedan of his term it's worth pointing out and biting getting brittney griner back we have as a present that's willing to use all back channels to make sure americans come home safely. i think in this case have a journalist over there because we can all agree journalism is not a crime is part of chronicling history. i think it's really important the bite administration uses same type of pressure but if you are questioning where the bided she's pressure to bring them back all you have to look to is how the brought brittney griner back and also the outrage of folks in america to ensure the biting magician did it. expose still there. >> still there at all respect to richard i feel like i applaud the bite administration for the cmt grading people. it emboldened rush of this are the very first issue they did was too. i think five or putin silently's earning withdrawal in afghanistan, and emboldened him and as you said, glad we got brittney griner back with the

exchange for a known terrorist, i think this will encourage putin to do this more. this is not something that is unique to him. it's what they do across the globe is short jail journal's behalf must have a much stronger reaction should be kicking out all diff medics from russian solution to their investor back today. we should not be waiting there going to polling on the stew on how the president has dealt with different threats to different adversaries. every account you will see here with china, with russia, north korea, with ironic he is in a double-digit deficit he has been too accommodating with these. i know, roger, we have this issue with china dieting retaliation he was transitioning through the u.s. meeting with key leaders here are some of the top house democrat will move the speaker in the coming week. but they are threatening us over that. >> and happenstance happening here but this is china changing their policy. they ratcheted up increasing their aggression you are right everyone is expecting after the meeting with speaker in regard to this people see additional

aggression and intimidation from the chinese against taiwan this week. but, the united states has to be clear here. this is what the polling indicates we have to demonstrate to the chinese will not be tolerated, they cannot intimidate us. when china threatens taiwan, since president reagan was in office with support taiwan and to give them security assistance, that has to be ratcheted up. cannot be the sort of thing we're seeing in ukraine where it's a slow drip. shannon: are going to bring the >> domestic the week started off at the tragic shooting, six innocent lives taken by the shooter killed as wellin nashville at a christian school. immediately in washington the talk is always what more can we do to protect his kids gun control centers on corner where the key republicans who negotiated the package that actually passed last summer rejected the call to ban assault style weapons and some people to use them for hunting or self-defense quotes they have a constitutional right to do so. there seems to be this obsession with the gun and not with the actual person pulled the trigg

trigger. susan, just anything move here in washington legislatively? which of them to the astonishment of a lot of americans there is no possibility of gun measures passed in congress anytime soon. but one thing that was notable earlier in march before this last horrible shooting, prison biden issued executive orders spanning background checks. it's in your pole more than seven out of 10 americans supported that executive order print that include a lot of americans who did not support bided on almost anything else. that should be a message to politicians everywhere. shannon: quickly to the point of focusing on a lot of things, but everything with respect to the shooter, the person who makes the decision to take these lives. flexible shannon, think as a society if we tell little girls they can be little boys and little boys they can be little girls we should not be shocked when there's a mental disorder problem. this should be focus it's a much broader than gun control issue. >> think gun control is far bigger than a tapping school shootings in cities across the

country where this conversation about crime, the smears are dealing with illegal guns on the streets. congress should use them because a man's are hamstrung. shannon: allows other of the book we will see. thank you panna will see you next sunday. up next to preview my just-released podcast on possibly one of the most misunderstood marriages of all time.

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about one of bible's most well known, maybe least understood marriages. it's one of the stories in my new book, love stories of the bible. that's it for today. we will see you right back here for next "fox news sunday. that's the truth, see you next time on life, liberty and the w. >> breaking tonight the fight is on. >> in my opinion the rule of law the united states i very much anticipate a motion because there's no law that fixes we're going to take the indictment evaluate all of our legal options and pursue everyone most vigorously. >> in other news tonight someone called asa hutchinson is running for president. but i don't think we need to spend too much time on