he made the call in the middle of 6th avenue here in new york city. cooper got the idea for the phone from a comic book detective dick tracy who could talk to his watch which you can now do as well. >> aishah: sorry, top of the show. >> bill: aishah is flying to tay juan -- taiwan tonight. see you from taipei in a couple of days. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. former president donald trump getting set for the motorcade taking him from his mar-a-lago estate in florida to palm beach international airport. that is his plane on the tarmac. trump is expected to head to the airport shortly and take off minutes later. we'll follow the 45th president's steps every step of the way live. i'm harris faulkner and you are

in "the faulkner focus." it will be a kwik trip as you know to new york city from where he is in florida. facing charges related to the stormy daniels hush money case. he is set to be at the courthouse tomorrow in manhattan at 11:00 a.m. his arraignment begins at 2:15 eastern. it may take as few as 15 minutes. after that trump will head back to mar-a-lago and planning a speech tomorrow night. however we're learning the judge could take an extraordinary step of imposing a gag order on the former president and 2024 contender. trump's legal team is considering adding a first amendment attorney to fight that if they try to put a gag order on him. they will be ready to fight that if necessary. many republicans continue to attack the indictment. one democrat who voted to impeach trump has his own concerns. >> i think people need to ask

themselves the fundamental question. if this were anyone but trump would this d.a. even take up this case? it feels obvious to a lot of us that it is politically motivated. >> as every legal expert has said not a pathetic and absurd legal theory but unconstitutional. wholly inappropriate. a complete perversion of our political system. >> you have to remove all doubt and cross every t and dot every eye, i hope they are very thorough in the job they do. >> is that what you think is going on here? >> harris: manchin being the democrat who has been speaking ute for several days about the potential flashback on firing back on democrats if for some reason they whiff it. jonathan serrie is live outside the president's home in palm beach, florida. jonathan. >> good morning, harris. former president trump is an

hour away from his scheduled departure on his truth social platform he writes i will leave mar-a-lago monday at 12 noon heading to trump tower in new york. on tuesday morning i will be going to, believe it or not, the courthouse. america was not supposed to be this way. although the new york indictment is under seal it is believed to center on hush money payments during the 2016 presidential election campaign. the former president's lawyers are expressing optimism going into tuesday's court hearing. >> in this case it seems like what we're guessing the indictment will look like is it will have legal frailties subjected to a legitimate motion to dismiss early on. >> over the weekend florida governor ron desantis speaking at a conservative forum in new york criticized manhattan district attorney for prosecuting the former president while showing leniency to colon criminals. >> trying to act like it is a

felony when almost every other time he tries to take the felonies and downgrade them to misdemeanors. this guy is doing politics. he has an agenda. that's not the rule of law. >> after his arraignment on tuesday, former president trump plans to head directly back to mar-a-lago and deliver public comments from there tuesday evening. harris. >> harris: jonathan serrie, thank you very much. for more, former u.s. attorney and federal prosecutor and executive director of right on crime brett tollman is in "focus." we want the president today do something we've never seen a former president do, that is go someplace to face an indictment. tell me what the next 24 hours hold. >> harris, thanks for having me on. it is an unprecedented time for sure. the criminal justice system has been virtually the same for decades and decades in terms of

the practical aspect. he will be brought in and he will be booked, he will have his fingerprints taken. my guess is that despite the calls for not having his photo, i think they will have a booking photo. can you imagine the political opposition's intention to not have a booking photo in this particular instance? >> harris: i can't imagine that. >> they'll say this is standard operating procedure and why we'll do it. nothing about this is standard. it raises and elevates the prosecutor to a level of scrutiny that is deserving. this type of politization has been happening across the country for many years. but we're now just seeing the end result of making your office entirely political. >> harris: i want to talk about what happens to biden. there is a whole lot of evidence in that case. but let's go here. one of president trump's attorneys said that this is part of their plan for next steps.

let's watch. >> we will take the indictment and dissect it. the team will look at every potential issue that we will be able to challenge and we will challenge. of course, i very much anticipate a motion to dismiss coming. there is no law that fits this. >> harris: motion to dismiss and senttive to the fact every legal i've expert talked with brings up statute of limitations. talk to me about it. >> you know, the motion to dismiss is actually a very foreign motion in the criminal justice system. the reason is because the presumption is that you are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. they allow the government to go forward on their case and present the evidence and that is the moment at which you get to, you know, make your arguments or try to undermine the argument of the prosecution. so a motion to dismiss is very foreign in a criminal case, harris. this will be unusual and the

judge can easily say i don't get motions to dismiss. let's see what the evidence is. if i believe the statute of limitations or otherwise has been violated, then i will dismiss it at that point. but he could very well punt that issue and wait to see what the government has to present. >> harris: i never used to wonder about this sort of thing but it is like everything is politicized now. what does it matter about what we learn about the judge in this case? >> yeah, it is difficult to put into words how important the judge can be in a case. a judge that is skeptical about the case to begin with may ultimately say you know, i think the motion to dismiss is in order. i think the statute of limitations is appropriately highlighted here. i don't think there is a pandemic exception to the statute of limitations and i will dismiss the case. it depends on the politics of the judge. >> harris: i wanted to hear what

the flip side could be because i'm not hearing that reported. i think it is important to say it. this doesn't have to go as scripted the way the democrats are making it. it could go that way but there are a lot of things on the table. former attorney general bill barr was asked about a potential trial in this case. let's watch. >> if the president was your client would you put him on the stand? i have to imagine in any of these cases if it gets to trial he will want fordefend himself. >> i generally think it is a bad idea to go on the stand and particularly bad for trump because he lacks self-control and very difficult to prepare him and keep him testifying in a prudent fashion. >> harris: bill barr knows the president well with regard to those issues of legality i would imagine. do you agree with what he is saying or would you put the man who arguably has the most name recognition of anybody on the planet right now on the stand? >> well yeah, a lot of respect

for bill barr but i would add this, harris. in those instances where an acquittal had occurred, the percentage of cases where the defendant took the stand is much, much higher. so you have to weigh that when you are representing the president. despite all of the difficulty in putting him on the stand, if there is a jury, they want to hear from the defendant. oftentimes they require it in order to acquit. >> harris: all right. a group of news organizations now is demanding more access asking the judge in former president trump's case to immediately unseal the indictment and they also want to allow cameras in the courtroom if it goes to trial. a new oped argues it cites past examples it claims with fuel speculation due to a lack of information and you can zoo he the list there full on your screen. classified documents, mueller report, other examples there

where people were just left to either a whole load of disinformation or no information. your take. >> the grand jury has a rule assigned to it. a secrecy rule. i am doubtful that a judge will see this case so abnormal that it makes a ruling especially this judge that it will unseal. the unsealing of the indictment will occur at the arraignment. we'll get a glimpse of what those counts are. the thing we may never know is the incrass -- of the grand jury, who voted and -- >> harris: that's important, too. that we learn about other juries can inform us on what worked for each side. the prosecution and the defendant and what didn't. we likely won't get any of that is what you are saying.

bret, go ahead. >> there is 23 people voting and they only need 12 in order to get the indictment. so it would be nice to know that. >> harris: always great to have you in "focus" to have all your expertise. thank you very much. you can see the tarmac on the left side of the screen. this is palm beach international airport. this is the 45th president's personal plane and when he gets on it, expected to come later this hour, within minutes, and takes off for new york city, we'll cover every step that he makes live. keep watching. calls growing for the president to take some action. russia still holding that american journalist on accusations of spying. so what will the biden administration do? plus biden assured americans that the chinese spy craft, which flew across america earlier this year, was no big deal. even as many were warning that it was much more than just a

wayward balloon for weather. >> there is a reason why these things fly. they fly over the country to collect signals intelligence. everybody knows it was done for espionage. >> harris: oh, marco rubio was telling us. the senator said it and his concern may have been spot on. pete hegseth in "focus" next. veteran homeowners. one of the most powerful ways to fight inflation is to pay off your high-rate debt to lower your monthly payments. at newday we make it easy. our newday 100 loan lets you combine your first mortgage, your second mortgage, your high-rate credit cards, personal loans and car loans into one, low monthly payment. so you can save hundreds every month. and at newday, there's not one dollar upfront to apply. give us a call. hi, i'm lauren, i lost 67 pounds in 12 months on golo. golo and the release has been phenomenal in my life.

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>> harris: china scooped up what it wanted supplying the spy craft across the entire continental united states. a new report says the chinese communist party was able to gather sensitive intelligence from multiple american military sites. senior officials are telling nbc news china controlled that craft

and it sent back information to china in realtime mostly using electronic signals. remember, it entered u.s. airspace january 28th. biden's administration let it fly over us for a week before our military finally shot it down off the coast of south carolina on february 4th. the biden administration repeatedly played down any national security concerns. you remember. >> no specific reason that they were conducting surveillance of any kind. or that they are at greater risk. >> the leading intelligence community assessment is that they were for benign purposes. >> harris: admiral kirby is in an awkward position there. either they were lying and he was furthering that or they are really bad at their jobs. when it comes to voters' feelings on china a recent fox

poll shows a majority call it the greatest threat to america. 66% say president biden has been too accommodating with dealing with beijing. pete hegseth, co-host of "fox & friends" weekend. i want to show all respect for those in authorities. their one single job is to protect us. it is hard to stomach when they don't do that. >> it is really embarrassing for this white house. also really dangerous for america. and we want to trust john kirby or lloyd austin or anyone. you want to but john kirby would have known at that point mid-february the clips are being played, what we now know because of this report, that it was not just loosely traveling across the united states for a week. according to the report they were doing figure eight rotations over our most sensitive nuclear sites if not

gathering digital intelligence and photographs they get signals intelligence trying to get a sense of what electronic signals are being sent. radar and others above the sensitive nuclear sites and sending it back to communist chinese. by the time john kirby is saying this is benign they would have known it was the flight path and the graphic you are showing now makes it look like -- it is a tv graphic. the pentagon has the real graphic that shows how close it got, where it stayed and because of the aircraft it would have had next to it would have known more or less what its capabilities were. it wasn't moving quickly. they are just cowards and probably liars. in this instant cowards because they weren't willing to take an action to confront china who is confronting us around the world most non-military. they want to win a war with us before a shot has to be fired. they didn't have the courage to

be straight and shoot it down. they aren't honest with the american people and you wonder why we don't trust them. that poll reveals that average people have common sense and can see through this. this is a very dangerous thing that occurred and they waited until surfside beach, south carolina to shoot it down after the communist chinese got everything they wanted. >> harris: digging deeper into the exclusive reporting by nbc news you have me asking some questions. while you were talking i am looking for when was it that the biden administration started even to tell us that the chinese were capable, the chinese communist party of collecting signals intelligence? it was after the balloon was shot down. and just to revisit when you show that map, look how much time it spent off our coast out of our airspace. we knew this thing took off many days before it reached our airspace. we had to have been studying it by then. and then here is part of their reporting. the balloon had a self-destruct

mechanism that could have been activityed remotely by china. our officials today pete are saying according to nb this, c it is still not clear if it didn't work or china chose not to trigger it. we are still capitulateing to an enemy. will they blow it up or not? we're waiting for them? >> is that what the result was? i think this is an attempt by the administration to obfuscate a failure to protect our nation. maybe the chinese wanted to eventually for us to know what they got. it is really embarrassing. it is really embarrassing for us. and there was plenty of places we could have shot it down and we chose not to. we look weak. i know that sounds simple but it is true. it is open season under the administration and what will we

probably talk to the chinese about next? not the balloon, not covid, i'm sure we'll insist they lean into those climate change efforts and our energy secretary will laud them for what they are doing while they laugh at us and continue to find non-military ways to learn more about us, to put us in a corner to make us more vulnerable and more compromised. should we actually have to confront them, we can't, which is what they want. >> harris: we'll move to their new friend, russia. russia is still holding american "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovitch in moscow and they are accusing him of espionage. the outlet's editor in chief lashed out over his arrest. >> it is a total outrage. he is an accredited journalist and visa, out doing his job and it is completely unacceptable.

russia has become not a great environment for journalists, either russia or others. it is the worst. >> harris: secretary of state blinken yesterday spoke with lavrov calling for the immediate release of gershkovitch and also that of paul waylon. let's please not forget we have more americans around the world. at least another one in russia now. another american russia is holding. calls are growing for president biden to take some action, do something. the "wall street journal" editorial board wrote this. the brazen arrest of an american journalist shows the declining ability of the united states to deter assaults on its citizens. the biden administration contends the detention. but it is fair to ask why mr. putin believes he can snatch americans and come out ahead. pete. >> i have one word for why he can. his name is victor butte, the

merchant of death, a russian arms dealer who is now free who got american blood on his hands. why is he free? we traded him for a wnba star and didn't get paul and now they have another journalist. they believe that this administration will cut bad deals that benefit them that have downside and consequences. they are neck deep in the war of ukraine but saddled up to china and other countries. this is vladimir putin just pulling another pawn into his orbit and we should be outraged. journalists should have the ability to operate. they don't in putin's russia. he doesn't believe in journalism. he will accuse this journalist trying to get information for a story of spying for the united states and complete support domestically and another pawn to play on the international stage. we never freed paul waylon. we gave away a criminal and got a basketball player and we wonder why. glad she is back but it is not

the kind of deal that makes us look strong. >> harris: as former military, you know it's a blessing whenever any american can be freed and come home. you know they treat you differently. you know they treat former military differently. we need to get him home. strike any kind of deal. look, you put victor butte back in the open planet. russia, how can they not think there is more coming to their benefit? look what we did. we have to get our people home. if they aren't going to protect the ones here with an open border let's get those in other countries. we could talk for hours but we can't. show is not that long. pete hegseth, thank you very much. look, you definitely want to check out this. pete has a new special "the life of jesus "part 2. god saves us he and his pastor travel across the holy land to

retrace the steps of jesus. if you didn't see the first one it is up on fox nation and then watch this one. it is so compelling. don't miss it. we are almost to good friday and easter weekend. the republican primary field is growing. former arkansas governor asa hutchinson the latest to jump into the race for the white house. the republicans aren't letting up on the president's handling of the wide open border. >> the border is a crisis. humanitarian and drug crisis and a national security crisis. it is worse than it has ever been in the history of the united states and it is the policies that biden has. >> harris: that catastrophe now raging along both of our northern and southern borders. new details on the northern border. republican presidential candidate ambassador nikki haley is set to lay out her plan to fix it all.

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>> border agents are struggling against human cartels and we've basically given up all our control of this border and the northern border. the tragedy of seeing these children dying. this is a tragedy. his refusal to address this issue. mayokas should be not only impeached but removed from this position immediately. >> harris: a lot of people calling for the department of homeland security secretary mayokas to quit. fox news alert, first a trickle, now a new emergency along our northern border with canada. canadian authorities are recovering a body of eight people, including two children and they say they believed they died trying to cross illegally

into the united states. on our southern border, new video illustrating the ongoing horrors of the crisis. a child seen drifting down the rio grande alone. a texas national guardsman rescued that little one. border patrol reporting we have crept beyond the 1 million mark with encounters with people trying to sneak into our nation for fiscal years 2021 and 2022. we are far ahead of that. today ambassador nikki haley becomes the first 2024 presidential candidate to go to the southern board are and talk about a plan she has to fix it. haley, 2024 presidential candidate, former u.s. ambassador to the united nation and former governor of south carolina live at the border now. ambassador haley i want to start what's happening in the north. that's breaking news today. we knew it was a trickle.

a few people. now we're finding bodies of people and that's an indication they are waiting for the moment to get in. we see that on the southern border. what do you make of what's happening up north now? >> you know, i'll tell you all of this, harris, is a dereliction of duty by president biden. we were in a small town of 8,000 people and met with the sheriff and judges and business owners. the idea that they are saying that basically d.c. is expecting them to treat this as every day as usual. this isn't every day for them. it is the fact they see illegal immigrants coming off the train tracks and see them going into their property and they see law enforcement is having to take time to arrest them only to have them turned over to border patrol and released later again. we can't allow this to continue to happen. biden thinks if he doesn't talk about it, it doesn't exist. for the people now in texas and

here in del rio it exists every day and now it is in every state in the country. >> harris: i know from your time at the united nations you saw a lot of countries with border issues. look at haiti and the dominican republic right now. a lot of things around the world. no one every expected our country to deal with it. how do you fix it? >> first of all we have no border. what border? there is no border. the first thing is you have to actually have a border. the second thing is we would do what i did as governor of south carolina. we passed one of the harshest illegal immigration bills in the country. do a mandatory e-verify program where businesses have to en shire they hire people in the country legally. make sure fire the 87,000 i.r.s. agents and put border patrol and ice agents on the ground. stop handing money to illegal im granulitis. billions of dollars are being

allowed to go to illegal immigrants. that has to stop. defund sanctuary cities like what we saw in san antonio. when they accept the illegal immigrants it's wrong. then let's make sure we go back to remain in mexico. that's been stopped. we keep title 42. and instead of catching and release you go to catch and deport. that's how we fix the illegal immigration problem and make sure it's a top priority when i'm in office. >> harris: it doesn't sound like your plan costs new money. it sounds like you are able to do everything you are talking about with so many existing funds. >> first of all you have to look this is the case of just following the law. we are a country of laws. the second you stop being a country of laws you give up everything the country was founded on. if they allowed us to follow the law. we don't have people in this country illegally. my parents came legally and put in the time and price. my parents say now if someone

doesn't follow the laws to come to this country they won't follow the laws to stay in the country. we need to go back to the laws that are in place. we have a president and congress that is not making sure we enforce those laws. we have to do that. d.c. has to get to work. when will they finally do something about immigration in the country? they are not doing it because they think it is a great campaign issue. this is a national security issue. the people of texas and every state in the country don't deserve what's happening now. >> harris: the reason i brought up the new money. that's what biden is going to do. put money in these other areas. it is a stark difference between what you are talking about and what the current administration is doing. money without a plan doesn't solve anything. if it did it would be working better now. get to more with you before you know you have a big afternoon planned. you will lay out some things as well and a look at how you would fix the border. we waiting for former president

donald trump to head to new york city for ace arraignment. that happens. he will leave today within this hour. he has raised a staggering $5 million in just the last 48 hours after he was indicted. his former national security advisor john bolton says what it could mean for 2024. let's watch and listen. >> i'm not worried about alvin] hurting donald trump. i am worried about him benefiting donald trump. if trump is acquitted or gets the case dismissed because it is not legally sufficient or for whatever reason, that will be rocket fuel because he can say i told you it was a political prosecution and told you i was being picked on and now i've been vindicated. >> harris: what do you make of what he is saying? >> i won't make anything of what bolton says. you have a prosecutor doing political revenge against a former president. that's not a precedent you want

to have. here you have multiple prosecutors that refused to prosecute this case yet this guy is doing it. i'm sitting in del rio, texas, where we have 4.8 million illegal immigrants crossing the border and no one is talking about that. that's the issue, harris. we're dealing with a lot of political drama that's unnecessary because you have the political, vengeful people and we should be talking about every staved is a border state. we had 70,000 people die of fentanyl and opioid deaths in 2021. the number one cause of death for 18 to 49-year-olds is now opioids. we're talking about political revenge of a former president? it doesn't make sense and why the new york prosecutors are trying to waste our time but the american people need to remember this is what counts, this is what we need to be talking about. this is where the focus needs to be. this is a national security threat to every american family. >> harris: before i let you go, whenever i have been to the border recently and other people

have been there, there is always this idea that when people like yourself go, it shines the bully pulpit and shines the light. what would you say to the current president of the united states about focusing more on politics, it would seem. he is on a 20-day trip to talk about the economy. i don't know how you sell high inflation. what would you say to biden? >> what i would say to president biden is shame on you. shame on you because you are putting every single american at risk. this is a national security threat. you are allowing illegal immigrants to come across the border that are putting weight on our law enforcement, hurting our families and going into schools and hospitals. shame on you, president biden. your job is to protect the american people and you aren't doing it. you don't deserve to be president. the democrats shameful for them for allowing when im to run again. this should be a top priority for anybody running for president. if it is not a top priority for our president it will be when i

run for president. >> harris: nikki haley at the border joining us in "focus." thank you. >> go to nikki haley.com. >> harris: people in the sought and midwest, they have really been punched. mother nature has picked up all their lives and dropped it back to earth. so many pieces to put back together for those who survive. we lost some people, at least 32 are dead. the images of the damage look apocalyptic. top democrats aren't waivering in their support for president biden and concerns about his age and dwindling popularity. >> we have a very bold and vibrant president in joe biden. >> people realize biden is hitting it out of the park. >> when we see a match-up people will see this president has delivered. >> i know the democrats willfuly embrace him. if he runs, it's over.

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>> harris: the moment has arrived. we are watching now mar-a-lago simultaneously with the tarmac. the 45th president of the united states is getting ready to leave his estate in palm beach, florida, for the palm beach international airport where he will get on his plane, as you see to the left of your screen, and head for new york city to face charges having to do with a hush money payment to stormy daniels, a former porn worker. as he heads out, we'll take you every single step of the way and we're anticipating that to happen momentarily. this is pretty much on time now. we will stay with it as it happens. we'll come right to it. and now this. fox weather alert. at least 32 people are dead after a surge of twisters tore through south and midwest parts of the united states. over the weekend cars were blown around and structures flattened as more than 50 reported tornadoes hit several states. some of the devastation was little rock, arkansas. winds of 165 miles-per-hour, and a path of destruction more than a mile wide. fox weather's max gordon is live in arkansas where four people we know in the town where you are have perished. max. >> that's right. more severe weather is on the way to america's heartland.

not what people here in wynne, arkansas need as they try to gather whatever they have left and rebuild. four people died in this town. a small town of only 8,000 people. this after a line of severe storms tore through the mid section of the united states. at least 33 people died. 76 tornadoes were reported across 11 states between friday and saturday. thousands of flights had to be canceled or delayed because of the severe weather. little rock, arkansas got hit with an ef3 tornado with 165 miles-per-hour winds and a path of decestruction that went up t 30 miles damaging up to 2600 buildings. >> it was like a bomb. i could hear the trees breaking hitting the sides of the walls. it felt like the building was going to fall apart.

recovery efforts are underway in arkansas. work crews are clearing streets and communities have come together to help one another. >> i think the real story here isn't the damaged that happened but the heroes borne out of the tragedy. >> looking ahead to tuesday into wednesday, more severe weather and much of what we saw on friday we're talking about damaging winds, large hail and unfortunately another threat of tornadoes. harris. >> harris: thank you very much, max. white house insiders are telling the telegraph that president biden is too old to be jetting around the world even if that means attending king charles's coronation is off the table. the guy is 80. a big burst of activity, when biden does something like the state of the union address we didn't see him in the following 48 hours. they don't like to push him around the world too much. that's all a quote.

meanwhile at home americans are quick to say they are not pleased with president biden's performance. >> i give him about a d. >> f. >> i give him a good g. >> f. >> d plus. >> b minus. >> i would say f. >> harris: axios reporting president biden don't appear to be in a hurry to throw in his hat for the ring in 2024. it could in july or as late as this fall. we have our panel here. so why do you wait until the fall potentially? >> first the fact that president biden has had an incredibly aggressive schedule. he is traveling to 20 states to tout the largest ever investment

in infrastrk tour in history. not going to u.k. royals core coronation, no president has ever done it. >> harris: so my question was why wait until the fall or late summer to announce you are running for president? >> i don't know if you understood the question. we'll run short on time. i will go to gianno with the same question. >> for one, he is not up to the job. that's fairly clear. when we look at polling, a harvard poll showed that majority of americans believe that he doesn't have the mental fitness to be president. they believe that he is too old to be president. in addition to that, 66% of independents, which are the ones the voting block that determines who becomes president, feel he doesn't have the mental fitness or up for the job. they think he is too old. more interesting about this

story is the fact that we have a former president, who is the number one opponent, donald trump who has been indicted, who in any normal set of circumstances would be thinking it was a win for them. it is not a win for joe biden and his white house. they are talking about this story, which for a lot of democrats they should be like okay, this is not what we should be talking about. they are in trouble here, harris, i really believe that. >> harris: the latest fox poll shows that more than half of democratic voters want to see another candidate and 44% want to keep biden. 52% want somebody else. so i will come back to you and make it really clear. so if he doesn't announce until the end of the summer, does that help or hurt other people who might want to get into the race against him? >> he is the president. the leader of the party. he doesn't have a time clock when he has to announce. he is the presumptive nominee should he chooses to run. i anticipate he chooses to run.

these polls, this mid year polls we saw them before the mid-term election that resulted in historic overperformance by the president's party. you don't take much stock in these things. the leading republican candidate is scraping mid-30s approval rating and scraping 80 years of age himself. we are in a moment where these polls will always be -- >> harris: you haven't looked at the latest. i assume you are talking about trump. his numbers moved up and raised $5 million in 48 hours. i hear what you are saying. my question is why would you wait whether you go to the coronation of a king in the u.k. or not? what about the race for president if you know half the people polled. potentially don't want the incumbent present who would be 82 at the time. they don't want him. they want somebody else. why wouldn't you get in?

gianno, does this help or hurt the cause of people who might want to run against joe biden in his own party? >> look at gavin newsom doing a red state tour now traveling the country touting his policies in california, which were disastrous and the reason i left and moved to miami. there are a lot of democrats waiting in the wings because they have no idea what will happen with joe biden and the longer he waits, the more there will be interest of his fellow democrats to want to get in. i really do think it is a problem for the white house. they shouldn't be having this discussion. >> harris: so interesting. we'll watch all of it. thank you both very much. power panel today. will cut it short because i want to get back to the pictures of the former president of the united states getting ready to leave florida. can we do the side-by-side and show the view outside the motorcade at his home. that has just pulled into place.

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>> it is noon in the east and we are awaiting the departure of former president donald trump from his home base in florida. moments from now. he's heading to new york city for what is that to be an unprecedented presidential arraignment in court. we are awaiting a news conference from city officials in new york city on the trump arraignment, what they want to do they are doing -- what they want to tell people they are doing to get ready for number 45's arrival. hello. this is "outnumbered."