>> it is noon in the east and we are awaiting the departure of former president donald trump from his home base in florida. moments from now. he's heading to new york city for what is that to be an unprecedented presidential arraignment in court. we are awaiting a news conference from city officials in new york city on the trump arraignment, what they want to do they are doing -- what they want to tell people they are doing to get ready for number 45's arrival. hello. this is "outnumbered."

i am harris faulkner with kayleigh mcenany, emily compagno, also joining us fox business correspondent gerri willis and fox news contributor douglas murray. the former president is flying out of florida to new york. he has had to spend the night at trump tower in manhattan the head of his court appearance. criminal court tomorrow. and he is scheduled to face charges related to the money payments made to an adult film worker, stormy daniels, in the run-up into the 2016 election. new polling shows nearly half of all americans believe these charges are politically motivated. kayleigh mcenany, i don't know that you would be able to look at them because of the timing of all of this. the fact that this case has been dropped so many times. >> kayleigh: jeb bush making that point. it's interesting the unlikely allies. some of them political opponents. jeb bush, former florida

governor saying that bragg's predecessor didn't take up the case and bragg said he would not take up the case. it's political, not a matter of justice. bill barr called it an abomination. the media, even some outlets defending the former president on this, the economists present building donald trump over stormy daniels looks like a mistake and then run really interesting piece i saw in the media was in "the new york times," a guest essay written by a former federal prosecutor. she says "at least one thing seems clear. mr. bragg may have been the first local prosecutor to do it but he probably won't be the last. every local prosecutor in the country will now feel that he or she has free rein to criminally investigate." >> harris: before i move on from you because you're the only person on the couch was worked for our 45th president, talk to me, if you will come about the inner circle around the president right now that the american people should know. he's at his home in mar-a-lago. we have had that picture up a

little while ago, getting ready to leave with the motorcade. >> kayleigh: he has his attorneys, none of whom i know personally. i know some folks were still on his campaign. what i would say, having had a relationship -- of course, my former boss, with this person. this is someone who loves this country. this is someone who always when i signed the decision-making during a global pandemic that we had not seen on our hands but the american people first. he loves this country. he did not have to do this. he was an affluent businessman. a lot of people go into politics because they want fame or they want money in the aftermath. this is someone who had both of those things and stood up because he thought the country was at a tipping point. he doesn't deserve this, something that's been roundly criticized by even his political opponents. >> harris: emily, what can you tell me about the statute of limitations. if you or i did something, what they apply? >> emily: under this current administration, i wonder, harris. who knows. i will say part of the argument

is that the underlying crime here, we know is -- what we think is going to happen has to do with the federal elections law infringement. that statute of limitation is five years. that's why some argue alvin bragg has shoehorned in what would've been a misdemeanor with the statute of limitation of two years unless federal elections law thing because it enabled him to actually state prosecution. you mentioned the unlikely allies. the flip side is how many elected officials have just sent i believe frankly really shocking statements in support of this, jumping to conclusions, 40 no sense of responsibility or duty of their office to afford some of the presumption innocence which they afford rightfully so two members of their own party but simply not this one. maxine waters has he finally got indicted, i predicted he would. i predicted stormy daniels would get him. sometimes justice works. >> harris: wait, she was rooting for the porn star? >> emily: yes.

adam schiff says "so too is the unlawful conduct for which trump has been charged, even more grievous conduct." there's been no conclusion to the investigations. we don't have specific charges. pelosi, as we talked about, everyone is afforded to write to prove their innocence at trial which was frankly a perversion of the system. in a statement, note that representative from new york says trump's protestations. he says they are racist attacks on the d.a. yet the representative calling supporters of trump dogs is somehow not racist. >> harris: new york police department commissioner keyshawn school and mayor eric adams are holding a news conference i have the former presidents arraignment. >> there has been no specific credible threats to our city at this time. people should go along with

their regular activities. going to work, going to school. we are going to do our job, as we always do. if you usually drive, we are saying take public transportation. it's easy to get around on public transportation because we expect some disruptions in additional traffic. there's a great deal of additional traffic that may come into the cities. there will be street clothes near the courts and the city. there may be some rabble-rousers thinking about coming to our city tomorrow, our message is clear and simple. control yourselves. new york city is our home, not a playground for your misplaced anger. the safest large city in america because we respect the rule of law in new york city. although we have no specific threats, people like marjorie taylor greene, who is known to spread misinformation and hate speech, she stated she is coming

to town. while you're in town, be on your best behavior. as always, we will not allow violence or vandalism of any kind. if one is caught participating in any act of violence, they will be arrested and held accountable. no matter who you are. i want to again thank the police department, the commissioner, for their response and for the necessary preparations as we deal with this major historical potential new event that would take place in the city. at this time i would like to introduce the police commissioner of the city of new york. >> thank you, mr. mayor. good afternoon, everyone. thank you for being here. as always, the nypd is prepared to ensure that everyone is able to have their voices heard peacefully while exercising their first amendment rights. we do this work in close collaboration with our federal, state, and local partners because keeping our city safe is absolutely a collective effort.

as the mayor stated, there are no credible or specific threats to new york city at this time. new yorkers may see an increased police presence in parts of the city and should anticipate intermittent road closures over the next two days particularly in manhattan. to avoid delays, i too urge everyone to use mass transit when possible. as i said, our job is to facilitate and safeguard the rights of people to access themselves and those going about their daily activities. but i will remind everyone that violence and destruction are not part of legitimate, lawful expression, and it will never be tolerated in our city. the people we serve know this. just as they know that the nypd will be out there today, tomorrow, and every day to make sure that they are safe. thank you. mr. mayor. with excellent questions.

>> reporter: marjorie taylor greene or anyone else for that matter. [indistinct] >> the permit is done through city hall but i will say that anyone who protests the suspected to express themselves peacefully. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> under investigation at this time. >> repputter have you noticed ay movements at port authority or the airport? coming here for this event. >> we value our relationship with our partners and we are in constant communication with them so if they see an influx of people or something out of the ordinary, they will contact us. at this but we don't see that happening but we will have real-time information if that does occur. >> reporter: intermittent road closures. how many blocks around the courthouse will be close?

anytime there is movement. will that information be shared with the public question mexico there will be rolling road closures. will make sure we have enough officers to facilitate tran transport. there is an area close to the trump tower that will be enclosed. to facilitate his transport. we're trying to have a minimal amount of intrusion into city life. >> reporter: i wanted to ask what additional measures is the nypd taking not only in protecting bragg but other members of his office. >> we take any threats or concerns of our elected officials, anyone in the city, very seriously so we have provided some assistance in that regard and we are investigating any threats that may be made to the d.a. or his staff. >> >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> a number of laws were passed

in sensitive zones, restrictive zones. courthouses, federal buildings, first mimicked activity. we are not going to move those. responsible gun ownership requires that you know what the laws are where you're protesting and we expect everyone to hear to ours. >> going back to the police process, how many officers do you expect to be on the streets? secret service. >> harris: at the new york city mayor and police commissioner. we learned a lot in all of that. our team here at "outnumbered" will continue to watch. some of the questions were about, will, really politics. they are asking about congresswoman marjorie taylor greene because the officials that you just saw said they were going to ramp up and be ready and so on and so forth. just so you know, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene had put out a rally for trump notice on her personal twitter. 10:30, april 4, tuesday morning.

of course this would happen before the scheduled arraignment which isn't until later in the day at 2:15 p.m. eastern. what do you make of the response, the prepare motion that the city is in for right now ahead of his arrival? >> douglas: it's an extraordinary thing. it's extraordinary to see the police commissioner talking about this as if it's defcon 1 for new york. go about your business but take subways, be careful. the sort of thing. most new yorkers are going to be watching this and thinking, you know, i wish you had done something like this in 2020 where there were actually people -- >> harris: or last week because of the crime. >> douglas: any crime in new york. you get this horrible feeling this is a la fantastic deflection from the inability of mayor adams and others to make the city safe. talking like as long as this goes off okay in the trump arraignment works okay, that new yorkers will be safe. no. we will still have the same problems using the subways. we will still have the same

problems walking the streets. still have the same crimes and shops. none of that is going to go away but this is a fantastic opportunity for adams and others to pretend that they are really on the job. >> gerri: i think the subtle messages that we what we get is imported violence. what week it is people coming from the outside. oh, no, it's not real new yorkers who do this kind of thing. it's people coming in from the outside who are political conservatives who are going to bring this violence. i think that's really inviting violence. >> harris: what do you make of the politics of the moment, gerri? >> gerri: i have to tell you, what we see with this indictment is a continuation of what democrats have been doing for a long time. they get involved in republican primaries. they want to help pick the candidate who's going to show down with the democrat and they want to steer that. this to me is election manipulation, engineering, involvement they shouldn't have and i think it's because they don't have a lot of confidence

in their own candidates. they know they don't appeal to the broad middle class americans, right? their policies are way too far left. this is how they end up getting what they want, getting people into office. >> harris: you know, douglas, you think about the timing that we are getting reports from biden's camp that he may wait until late august, maybe early fall to say whether or not he's going to run for reelection, i made the point last hour that gosh, you want to run against him, that really squeezes you. you can't really fund-raising told the guy gets -- you could try but you've got to know if he's going to run or not. the donors will set out. it's going to be really hard to run against him. he's already playing politics within his own party but what about with the former president? how does this really work for biden to kind of sit on the sidelines while this plays out? is this better for trump, better for biden? >> douglas: this is just politics all the way down, isn't

it? consider d.a. bragg, why is he doing this? potentially to build a national platform? i would have said so. everything a person involved in this from the top down, it's all politics. as for our place at with trump and biden, the thing that the democrats don't seem to realize is when you do something like this you effectively open pandora's box. they think they can control this. they won't be able to control it, you can't control whether this will help trump, harm him, helped biden, harm him. i'm sure that they think they've got a fantastic grip on this but they are doing something unprecedented and when you do something unprecedented, it's the nature of it you cannot control. >> kayleigh: helping trump monetarily. $5 million raised in 72 hours, 25% of which were new donations. that's extraordinary. >> harris: we are watching and above me on the right side of your screen is outside of the former president's private

residence, mar-a-lago. in palm beach, florida. it's about five minute drive, i understand, to go from there to palm beach international airport which is where he will take off on his plane, as you see on the left side of your screen as you watch. we have known all along that of course the motorcade will leave there. he will get to the tarmac. one of those unknowns with this particular former president, you never know when he may speak so all cameras are ready. we do know that he likes the backdrop of a tarmac and i understand that the doors that mar-a-lago have opened. can we take a full shot of the home so we can see this please? can we get off the three shot? can we get off the two shot? we want to be able to see. we have seen our first part of the motorcade leave. this is mar-a-lago in florida. normally, kayleigh, i know you've been in a lot of motorcades with him before, that first car is not the president of the united states or former one in this case.

we will continue to watch the archway here in palm beach. what awaits him when he gets to new york? i know the commissioner and the mayor of the city would lead you to believe there's a reason for people to be on alert phys physically, secure wise. what awaits him? >> emily: the arraignment is tomorrow at 2:15 p.m. he is scheduled to speak at 8:15 p.m. there will be fingerprinting involved, a formal booking process that remains to be seen how much of it will be leaked. i expect at least some given the tenor of this political organization at the time. i'm grateful for everyone's comments about the contrast with the mayor was saying, where he adamantly says if you dare come to the city, imported people, you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i wish she would have the same vehemence to and murderers who somehow escaped prosecution and conviction. i would wish he would say that

to career criminals that account for 600 arrests in the last two months alone. i wish he would say that to the face of cop killers and those who have shot police officers. currently walking free like the one who shot a detective. he took all the bullets been for his s.w.a.t. team on staten island. this political spectacle is difficult to swallow as a new yorker. i live here. this is my town and it's disturbing they tell me to take the subway when chances are i will probably be beaten and raped on it. you ask, what is alvin bragg thinking. cyrus vance was asked, why did you declined to prosecute? why is alvin bragg prosecuting. he admitted it's never been done with regard to federal election law. the question is not so much why didn't i do it but why this d.a. is doing it. he said it requires us to be patient and wait. this process isn't going to be accelerated by us talking about it. as we reference the fact that

the doj, fec, prior d.a. cyrus vance included an alvin bragg himself declined to prosecute, we have a prior prosecutor saying yeah, i actually don't know either. the world is waiting for not only the legal concept that this is based on but perhaps some reassurance that it's actually a bit stronger than from what we anticipate thus far is so flimsy. 34 counts of flimsy does not make it stronger. >> douglas: it is said, isn't it, "the new york post" reported that bragg might've been partly pushed into this by his former associate publishing his book. saying that bragg had dropped the ball on trump. bragg was kind of stunned by it and gets back into it. do you think there's something in it? >> emily: that are -- there are reports to that. that there was some type of pressure not only from prior prosecutors who work in part at the law firm where chuck schumer's brother practices.

the tenor and tension between that and the political machine that is the democrat administration. people have wondered about that tension. local tension versus national tension. >> harris: i want to let everybody know if they are tuning in to "outnumbered," this is the archway, these are the open gates, one is open from this distance. this is mar-a-lago, the beautiful estate of our former president, donald trump. one car has left. we have reports from crews on the ground this will be a motorcade type situation and now you've seen the second car, let's watch this live. the president, number 45, for the united states, is on the move to palm beach international airport. as we grab these photos, i want to remind everybody the types of decisions that have already been made ahead of him arriving. one of them was the secret service is in charge of anything having to do with the

president. new york police department here in the city will secure the streets. you will have other presence inside the courtroom tomorrow when he is arraigned at 2:15 p.m. eastern but for now the secret service is in charge. they have already made the kind of decision of whether or not you would see him in handcuffs. they had said no. they wanted to make sure that wherever he is going to be had been swept. this is our former president. we have never seen anything like this. what we have seen, 1832. spiro agnew. under nixon. former vice president's, and then a sitting vice president with spiro agnew, facing an indictment and charges. we have not seen his former commander in chief indicted in a state that he used to live in, doesn't live there and look at the people that are lined up against the freeway. everybody knows the route. this is a very, very short ride. they are not going very fast.

normally you can make this drive from his estate i understand to the airport in about 5 minutes because you're going faster than the motorcade would be. right now this is a slower ride and you are seeing people in certain areas waiting to the former president. kayleigh, you have been with him. what is his sort of mind-set right now that you know of? >> kayleigh: i haven't spoken to him so i can't speak to his mind-set but what i can speak to his ident on of those rides. i often times you will see supporters lining the streets. i viewed some video today on social media of throngs of supporters with flags showing their support. i know that he always found that to be very encouraging and i'm sure even now, what is so remarkable to me about this moment, not only is it a politically motivated prosecution, in the words of jeb bush and bill barr and all the folks we went through but the notion -- >> harris: and senator manchin from west virginia who is a democrat.

>> kayleigh: some writing on the pages of "the new york times." not only that but the fact that that the justice system is being weaponized and that his attorneys are worried about a gag order which emily mentioned those remarks this evening at mar-a-lago. a gag order, as jonathan turley pointed out. it would be perhaps unconstitutional in this case. think about not only are you politically motivated and going after this person but now this individual, presidential candidate who has support of much of the country cannot even speak. >> emily: the irony, similar to the statute we talked about earlier dealing with grand jury proceedings being leaked, it has a stiffer penalty if you break a gag order then the original misdemeanor charge that alvin bragg has decided to bring against president trump. i will let the irony speak for itself. yes there is absolutely first amendment unconstitutionality arguments here. gag orders are mostly often used in times of incitement or witness intimidation, calls for

violence. high risk cases. i note that much of president trump's statements which are only to protest this and proclaim his innocence has been declared and described as incitement, declared as racist and intimidating. i wonder, kayleigh, in terms of the political nature we have seen in this entire thing from the beginning, if merely his comments will be weaponized against him in that way and will be used to justify issuing again order which is frankly sort of rare especially in these of cases. >> harris: we continue to see the former president making his way from his home there at mar-a-lago onto the palm beach international airport where his jet is waiting on the tarmac. this is a pretty short ride. they seem to have sped up a little bit. we are going to see him on the right of your screen the plane where they are going.

gerri, he comes back to new york city, you know that's what the prosecutor wanted. he wanted the visual of donald trump coming back to his home turf. competing somewhat as a businessman many, many times over with people who like tim, who hated him, whatever. he is coming back to all of this will be a backdrop in the seen center that was of late for us by the police commissioner new york city mayor, it wasn't about that. it was about what happens when he comes back. is congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, should we secure the area in lower manhattan where they are going to have a rally ahead of his arraignment? >> gerri: insight the fear. you are saying it's like putting spice in this two by democrats. i would say people have consistently underestimated -- >> harris: can you hear that? >> gerri: it's a siren.

right outside our offices here on sixth avenue. people have consistently underestimated donald trump. he has faced very serious criticism for over 30 years as a businessperson. even in the pages of "the new york post." he has been vilified for years. this is not a man who takes that sitting down. he's a man who jumps up and starts fighting. if you think for one second this is going to be a quiet donald trump who's not going to have anything to say, think again. i think the real danger is not bad. the real danger is to present to come after him. that's what i really worry. it's the danger to the institution. i find that the democrats really don't care about that. >> harris: i mentioned that siren because that's what they want us to be sensitive to. don't have any connection for the same thing could be happening tomorrow. there's always crime in the city. there's always something going on in the irony is there's going to be prepping in their sirens

right now. it's really interesting. the president biden is going to wait so long potentially to get in for reelection. a lot can happen between now and then. i love what you said, douglas. it's never what you think. if you go any kind of way. look at the case they are building right now with the new chairman of judiciary, jim jordan. all of those subpoenaed documents that went to the new chairman, james comer of oversight, the banking, subpoenaed records. we are getting some ideas now of what's exactly in those. we won't know. suspicious activity reports, over 150 of them with behaviors of the biden family. we may get some dribs and drabs but the fact that there are 150 of them tells us a lot. >> douglas: it seems that all of this will be fair game now. donald trump went into politics for his own reasons, genuine

reasons. aspects of america that he saw as having gone wrong. if we see this situation -- you can't run in american politics if you don't have base or support or money. you've got to find that. donald trump managed to do with his own money. the idea that after this, if his total career and family decimation, if you tread on the -- if you tread on the wrong people's toes, that they wouldn't sort of criticize you. it's not just normal criticism, it's an attempt to make you go down. if that is the message that this country has, who would go into politics. why not get the bidens next? why not get everyone one after another. the result will be will have the worst people running for office. harris: a point of fact, with the biden situation, you want to talk about having classified documents, he had, it was like an easter egg hunt. they were all over the place.

took them four months to tell us that they were -- >> douglas: they were by a car but the car was in the garage. >> harris: two homes of him. first it was at his offices that have been set up. the million dollars or so that he got to use his name so i mentioned it's 5 miles between his home in the airport. clearly they are going to bit slower than the norm because that normally would be a five minute drive. if you are going pretty quickly. they are not. they're already behind schedule but not by much. wheels were set -- they were set to be in the air from palm beach international at approximately 12:20 eastern so they are a little bit behind schedule. trump force one, private plane of the former president is what they will board. kayleigh, i look at these people on the roadside and yes some of them are law enforcement.

a lot are citizens that know this route and he's going to slow down a bit. >> kayleigh: apparently sent a box of hats to those peacefully gathered over the weekend. one irony just hit me as douglas was speaking. when i'm set the podium oftentimes has press secretary we would say the names of victims of violent crime across the country. children, many of them, ages four or 5 years old. we would say their names intentionally because we wanted to give coverage to the stories that were often ignored outside of just local outlets or maybe here at fox. a young girl came to me on the press staff and said do you think president trump would sign letters to these families and we will send them very quietly. no notoriety. he agreed and he would do this regularly, signed letters and send them to these victims, these kids because he cared about the victims of crime. you contrast the former president and his attention to crime of the local level and those of lost children to alvin bragg, criminally prosecuting the former president for political motives seemingly no care for the victims of crime in

his city. it really is an interesting comparison. >> emily: your point, douglas, he campaigned on suing the trump organization 100 times. this is a district attorney who campaigned on taking town a figure, political figure on the basis of essentially political vengeance. because he had at that time no proof. did we have the results, the conclusions of investigations, this is the district attorney. the subject of which is $130,000.130000 respectively allegedly. i have to commend the members of the democrat party that have restrained themselves, representatives liu and swa swalwell. what we are watching is a very

sobering moment, especially when you look at it through the lens of the fact that this is so political decision by a local district attorney toward a former sitting president. >> harris: did you see that very large, people -- very large group of people. president trump getting close to the airport. we had a shot in the audience could see. i am looking at different remote satellite images coming in. we did see the stairs have come down and you've got people at the base of the stairs on trump force one anticipating an imminent arrival. their team is in place. he is only about 10 minutes or so off schedule. they will take off pretty quickly. if he doesn't end up speaking. there it is. now we have the two shots. that shot is steadier. i know you wanted some complete thoughts.

we are watching to see if trump will say anything. this is his home state. >> gerri: this is his home state. i have to say this event is making everybody insane particularly in the media. the media has lost their marbles over this. let me give you just one exa example. alvin bragg, the prosecutor here, takes a lot of money from george soros. people have been pointing that out but some of his campaign contributions -- >> harris: it's not hard to find out. >> gerri: exactly. and they are being called anti-semitic for reasons that mystify me. at what point are we allowed to mention george soros and talk about him with facts? i don't understand. this is the kind of craziness and naughtiness that this has engendered into doug's point, you don't know where this goes.

>> douglas: when i watch this, i'm reminded, they are using a very old story against him to take down a former president and i am reminded of that saying, that somebody who is willing to use any stick to beat an opponent may well find that they have just picked up a boomerang. this could so easily boomerang against everybody who is doing it. >> harris: you don't have a statute of limitations as i understand with some of the biden stuff. you are dealing with national security. sensitive issues. away from all the classified documents because as we found out many people have them but it was those four or so top-secret once it former president biden had at that pen center that bears his name. it was those four top-secret documents having to do with russia and china and ukraine. that's what people want to know the essence of so will those ever be declassified? we don't know but we do know

that it's evidence of something that they wanted to look at. and then the suspicious activity reports, who was talking to china, different countries, just because they had the last name of biden. hunter biden. the president who owns this plane, trump force one, has arrived. at the transportation that will take him from palm beach international airport to new york city. the arraignment is set for 2:15 tomorrow. he will go into criminal court to face these charges which emily was just telling us amount to about $280,000 in -- >> emily: alleged funds. >> harris: we have already seen -- not to litigate the case because we haven't seen the indictment so we don't know all that is in it. but at least some of it if it's touching on what you're talking about, let's watch for a second. as trump boards the plane. i don't want to be talking through that.

it's kind of hard to see exactly. he has boarded the plane. it looks to be -- he looks to be alone. obviously he's got secret service with him. this is a big moment for the united states. this is a moment where conceivably many in the country will see the politicization of this plain and clear, some of them are republicans, some of them are independent, some are democrats. senator joe manchin of west virginia said be careful with this. this is something that you better be really sure about. there you see the rest of the team traveling with the president. we do know his attorneys obviously will be with him. i was looking to see if there were any family members who might come. i haven't seen any of them. >> kayleigh: i haven't seen any though it's hard to make out exactly who is ascending the stairs. this would look entirely different if he were president, there would be a gaggle of reporters that he would swoop in

and talk to. sometimes he has brought reporters on the plane in the same fashion as he would as president. speaking with them about the matters of the day. unclear if this any on this trip. i wouldn't think so. he brings them to the rally situations. interesting to watch and you have to ask, i thought the jeb bush comparison was so apt. have we made the jury voters? it is so problematic. not just a jury but a manhattan jury, it's no secret which way the city we are sitting and swings politically. are they now the voters? let the voters decide. that's ultimately what it should be, franchising and letting the voters have their say on the future president trump. >> harris: we can confirm that was former president trump who was the first to board the plane. this is difficult to see. but we at least wanted to bring you into the moments of his day, the history that's being made on his particular day, as we have talked about, it comes with a lot of asterisks and warning

signs. be careful when you play with politics because they are fiery hot and they don't just squash more than reputations. they can damage the trust that a people, that a citizenry has on the nation and the leadership. we must show so much deference before we take punches and shots at people. we must have our evidence together. alvin bragg is reaching and i don't know how much of his, he's on right now but he better get his facts straight. because while the joke may be over, the president is coming back into his territory where people don't like him. he has a lot of friends here. he's got a lot of people who will try to defend him. and he's got an entire house led by republicans right now that are going to be looking closely at alvin bragg and others for any weaponization of office against this president. jim jordan, the chairman of judiciary, told me last week they want to bring in alvin

bragg in several committees in the house to talk with him and see all communications between the federal government and the district attorney's office in manhattan. they want to know what's in those documents to see if there were any mentions like what we saw with some of the people at the fbi. that there might have been some political sway or some targeting for this president. i thought it was so helpful for emily to lay out, to get us beyond the statute of limitations which we know would have been about two years with the original case. now alvin bragg has scooped up five more years for himself so that's why we really don't know what's in the indictment until it's unsealed. that will happen tomorrow. >> emily: 2:15 p.m. et. a justice on the new york state supreme court, he was the judge overseeing the case and trial of the trump organization and its former cfo, allen weisselberg and he is the judge handling the

stephen bannon we build a wall case. in addition to him presiding over this case now that an indictment has been handed up and in january he sentenced allen weisselberg to five months in prison. he order the trump org companies to pay a maximum fine. that's the landscape against which this former president is arriving to new york state and city in addition to the district attorney alvin bragg. he comes with his campaign promise of suing president trump 100 times. and what he will do if assumed office. contrast that what -- with he has not done, successfully prosecute so many career criminals in this town and city that make it such a dangerous place for regular folks like me and law enforcement. it's really devastating frankly to see this play out. just seeing this as a noun new yorker who lives here, that feels so unsafe on my streets that the statistics reflect 300%

increase in ambushes against law enforcement, 22% increase in violent crimes here on the city, on the streets of new york and yet here we see a former president being indicted for a misdemeanor elevated to a felony on the back of a district attorney who is reduced 50% of the felonies here in the city to misdemeanors and has reduced violent crimes to reclassification of nonviolent crimes. it's sickening to see, as douglas has, we have yet to learn what will play out, we have yet to learn the contents of the indictment and what we expect to be around 30, 34 charges tomorrow. >> harris: they are pulling the stairs away from trump force one. get scheduled department was 20 and it's a go. 20 minutes ago. pretty tight window of when they said they would be leaving. douglas, i want to know because it seems like china plays the role of someone with a gun and a knife to her head. what do our enemy see when they

see this? >> douglas: it's interesting. i was in d.c. last week. former vice president pence spoke just after the announcement had been made of the indictment of former president trump. as he said, this gives us an amazing signal to our competitors and enemies around the world. the chinese and the russians in particular say the whole system of democracy in america doesn't work. it's unstable. it doesn't give people the security they need, and that's why the communist party of china's version of things is right. it's one of the things they constantly trot out. >> harris: that's frightening. they think they can sell what they have and they have people in concentration camps right now, the uighurs, muslim families. >> gerri: there is a point to be made. the entire country is focused on these pictures when we could be solving big problems. like an open border, like inflation, like crime. we could be doing other things

rather than being preoccupied. >> harris: what about the democrats when they say that they can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> gerri: right. >> douglas: have waiver seen that done? >> gerri: exactly. >> harris: i haven't actually handed them gum and tried to trip them. whenever i host a debate with the power panel every day, we go back and forth. when i hear is a drumbeat about how democrats do things better and stick together better terms of fighting the other side and they are able to chew gum and walk at the same time. i don't think our vice president can do that. if so, don't give her a stick of gum. that would be her ninth job. we can joke about it. we want to find a light moment in this time but we don't have anybody in charge of the border right now. they are calling for the resignation of the dhs secretary while this is going on. i asked you, what do our enemies

think. i think our enemies look at this and say oh, my gosh, they are open for business. who can recall in the united states and do anything we want to do with because this is what they do to a man who obviously had treated china very differently than the current president. >> gerri: this is the time that you fly the chinese balloon over the country, right? we have seen this movie play out. >> harris: they already did it, old material. that was last month. >> gerri: maybe we'll get another one. >> harris: as we watch as we know that we are very, very close to the former president taking off for new york. we have watched during this hour, it's already been a very busy hour, pretty good portion of the police commissioner and the mayor of new york city talking about all the preparations they are going to take. kayleigh, you and i went to marjorie taylor green's personal twitter page, not the congresswoman's work one but on the personal page she has a word out that a couple hours ahead of

one he is scheduled to be in court tomorrow, trump, that there is an that's going to take place in lower manhattan. you and i were pointing out, everybody was in a thread says peaceful protests, peaceful protests. people are sensitive and they want to show their support president when you saw the people lining up. i wonder, like jerry said, if they are not trying to gin up trouble i think this is going to be terrible. not seeing any indication of that. >> kayleigh: nor mri. i saw the same peaceful words that you did. but you heard in the press conference, beyond your best behavior, marjorie taylor greene, paraphrased. >> harris: is it a threat against the congresswoman? >> kayleigh: it kind of feels that way. gerri, you mention what a a terrible precedent what a troubling precedent it sets for every single simpson in this country who might have a government opposite of them politically.

what does it mean for the tom and harry sitting around watching this who perhaps gets in the wrong side. i encourage everyone, read the guest essay by the federal prosecutor. here's a line that she had, this was from future justice robert jackson and he said a prosecutor stands a fair chance of finding a technical violation of some act on the part of almost anyone. think about that. that's why we have prosecutor in a discussion we look at precedent, it where jim comey said there might be some sort of violation of law but no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case against hillary clinton in that same former fbi director saying it's a very good day on the day that trump was indicted. stunning remarks. >> harris: i believe that they are next for takeoff. palm beach international airport. on board is the 45th president of the united states facing now

charges in criminal court following the indictment from last week under manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. we know him to be a political animal to be rather thirsty on the left, how much will that play a role? we will watch and see how it unfolds. i love what douglas said, our guest today on "outnumbered," you just don't know. we will watch. we will see. we will see, follow the facts and all of this. one thing that does come to mind is we are seeing a flip, as you were describing how things are supposed to go. there supposed to be innocent to proven guilty but with this particular president now former president, it's that or it assumes to be this way. he is guilty, let's find something, let's figure out how we can make it look like he's guilty. it's always complicated if you're not chasing the facts and

you run out of roadway, where do you go? for alvin bragg, yeah he may be rising today. i have heard more than one person say politically speaking don't with it -- whiff it. >> emily: there is a standard that we see at the federal level that's quite more rigorous and vigorous than at this local level and that's what we are seeing here. this is why the sec and doj declined to prosecute. sending the message undoubtedly that there wasn't enough to bring the weight of the federal government towards a charge and yet here we have an elected official who now deems to find a "there" there, that the ends justify the means and you've lost that gravitas and credibility the carol caliber we depend on.

as we talked about federal public officials. reserve for the federal government so it takes away the tension between local officials that are so politically swayed. that's the protection afforded them because it takes into account. >> harris: that's fascinating. we know how to do this but i guess we are choosing not to do with the right way. the former president of the united states is in a rather unique political position. kayleigh was mentioning the money that's been raised since the indictment came down. 48 hours. 5 million. he's also in this position. he's not quite be talking about policy but he is going to soak up every second of airtime and if you're buying, maybe that's why you don't announce because or simply is not enough oxygen in the room. trump is taking it all up. his plane is getting ready to take off now. they are on the move on the tarmac. this is what we've been watching for and we don't know what destiny looks like on the other side of this trip when he gets

here in new york city. but we do know what it has looked like until this point. the president has called it a witch hunt, his opponents and democrats have said they are only seeking justice. when they voted to impeach him, the senate said you can't kick him out. there he sat and got stronger, much like bill clinton. they made him stronger politically because he said he did these things, you voted that he did these things but he stayed in the position and was able to make a difference in that. after those impeachments, after those times we saw a lot from this president. i know his son-in-law worked with him on the abraham accords. there's a lot that went on that we don't talk about in his presidency very much. but all of that, all of that legacy faces destiny on the other side of this trip. what are your thoughts? >> >> kayleigh: we mentioned,

his family on board? eric trump had a tweet "watching the plane from the plane." we know that eric trump is there are perhaps other family mem members. we reviewed this last week but it's worth emphasizing that "the new york times" surveyed election experts, they could not find one example ever in history of the manhattan d.a. freeing a charge for a federal election. never in history. so why now is the? line now. as we referenced justice jackson, former justice jackson, he went on to say to your point douglas is not a question of discovering the commission of a crime and then looking for the man who has committed it. it's a question of picking the man and then searching the law books or putting investigator's to work to pin some offense on him. those words ring true. >> douglas: we have seen this gathering for a long time. remember the sco scooter libby scandal.

george w. bush. they found something, it was all cooked up. he ended up going to jail. prosecutor said give us the vice president. it didn't work then but it was a very bad warning sign. none of the first time we actually see all the way up to the presidency, but justice is not blind in this country. and that a rubicon we will dread having crossed. >> harris: they have paused. we are on an imminent move. as soon as that happens we do want to watch. let's give them another beat. i'm always curious about the fact that no one talks about, at least i haven't heard it, this could go on beyond 2024. how is that even possible and is it on purpose? >> emily: it depends to whom that benefits. the wheels of justice grind

slowly especially in the state here, we know and to anticipate lots of motions. the procedural aspect of this case will likely play out over quite some time, many months. you're right. kayleigh, you mention how it's ever been done on the basis of federal elections law. here it's been used on the basis of federal law in general. federal elections laws highly specialized, highly detailed, highly nuanced. therefore the novelty of this particular piggybacked charge, that's why it's so incredible and that's why people are so incredulous. for a detailed, specialized body of law. this local political animal, as you described him, has charged himself with what he deems as a successful outcome for this is quite shocking. >> harris: he forecasted. he didn't say he wouldn't bring this case. people who say that didn't listen. they didn't read what he said. what he said was i'm not going to bring it now.

people started quitting. one of the attorneys in the d.a.'s office. oh, you're not going to bring charges against trump. we are quitting. he said no, it's not a strong enough case right now. when i have what i think i can win i'll come back. i guess that's when he things he has right now. you mentioned the wheels of justice and i am watching the wheels on the plane. i'm wondering if you were the former president of the united states and you've been saying since the beginning witch hunt. people are after me. they're going to keep coming for me. they don't want me to win. i'm winning. so on and so forth. you've heard it time and time again. there will be as far as we know our rally in lower manhattan. that will be about 10:30 in the morning, couple hours before the president, former president makes his way to court. so all of that, all these people to talk about, what he normally is talking about and they've got them right here in new york. what backdrop. what a backdrop. we're all watching history right now is the president gets ready

to take off for new york. >> emily: you mentioned the resignations that occurred. i note the contrast, how many d.a. resignations that we solve because the das field prosecute actual criminals because the real victims began growing by the millions of those affected in these democrat lead cities. this george soros backed district attorneys that fail to implement true justice, to prosecute actual crime that's harmed so many people who pay their taxes and vote whichever way they please because that's the beauty of this country. >> gerri: i think you are going to face even more of a lack of leadership because of what's going on right now. people are not going to want to run for office if this is where it goes. nobody would want to do that. you're not making a lot of money. the downsides are so much bigger than the possible upsides. we are kind of signing our own death warrant. >> kayleigh: i hate to go back

to the same piece but it was fascinating in the times. she goes on to write out what a case by a local d.a. would look like against hunter biden. she has the jurisdictions of florida, texas perhaps where you could technically use local laws and do some fancy footwork which is not what you should do when you're in law, emily can tell you. you look at president, tradition, those things matter. jim comey when he declined to bring charges against hillary clinton or recommend them, he said this and i quoted this in part paraphrasing "although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information our judgment is no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case and he cited the part of the reason was he ls been handled in the past. that's what you do. when you're the fbi, doj, manhattan d.a. that clearly was not done here. here we have, it seems to be fancied usual footwork to attack one individual because of his

last name and political party and his threat to the political ambitions of the left. >> harris: can you talk about your thoughts about trump running? can he run for president while his -- as emily laid out, this could take months. >> douglas: democrats are hoping that he can't and this will tie him up. i think it's a serious mistake elation. the one thing we know is that all the republicans were running against trump would like to run against trump, are going to have to spend all their time talking about trump. he's not going to mind that. but some of those competitors will. some of the other republicans in the field who want to be talking about some of the subjects we've raised over the past hour, they won't be able to talk about it. they will have to be talking all the time about trump. democrats are boosting trump by doing this. is this what they wanted all along? quite possibly. >> harris: they are boosting him among his own party. which is problematic because the voters feel very differently than the people who want to run

against him. it's already happened. some of those who've come out and declared, i'm sure you could have said an egg timer for how long it took for people to be asked, what do you think about trump's situation. i had on nikki haley. she's at the border today. she laid out a really detailed plan shutting by an 'is worked down and we got into it and we went on there and then we had a quick question because you can't ignore the news. about trump. >> gerri: you can't ignore the news, this is what i was saying at the beginning of the show. perhaps the calculation by democrats is we really prefer to run against donald trump so this is why they are missing, as i said, with the electoral process. because they would really like to see him run, they think they have a good chance against him. i think this is a horrible way to go >> i think there could be something to that. to your point, this might be the only moment of republican unity

we see in the next year, everyone is unified around this injustice. >> you are like look, just back the nominee. you always say that, just back the nominee. don't get divided, some debates and some talk. ok, this plane is now next in line. when we were watching before we did not have the purview of the entire tarmac. apparently this airport, palm beach international, is very busy in west palm beach, and number 45 is ready for takeoff. eric trump is on with him, could not see this from the people getting on. he just tweeted, watching the plane from the plane. and so there they go. and in the last 45 seconds of the show, the former president of the united states will come to new york city to face an indictment that will be unsealed tomorrow so the rest of the world can see what charges are against donald j. trump. and what will that look like?

and what will he face at tomorrow's arraignment. on the other side of this flight, trump will be in new york city and we have already seen the police commissioner, the mayor, everybody getting ready but they are going the one thing gerri said, they are talking trump and cannot stop talking about him. we'll be covering every second. we promised to do that. and now "america reports." >> john: harris, thank you, the former president on his way to face the first criminal indictment of a former u.s. president in history. hello from washington, i'm john roberts. hello to you today. >> gillian: good to be with you, john, i'm gillian turner in for sandra smith. the former president departed his home in mar-a-lago, he has big plans to spend the night at trump tower. he will face the