who doesn't love greece? grease. who doesn't love olivia newton john and john travolta in this. leave it alone don't make it to political. >> i tend to agree. >> ashley: guy, it's so great to have you on set live. >> thanks for having me. >> ashley: have a great weekend. "fox & friends" starts right now. ♪ >> ainsley: we begin with a fox news alert. israeli fighter jets carrying out airstrikes overnight targeting militant groups in south lebanon and the gaza strip. and hours ago authorities say two israeli women were killed in a shooting attack in the west bank. >> brian: the rare israeli strikes in help n lebanon come 4 strikes in israel. the jewish people observe passover and muslims mark the holy month of ramadan.

>> will: earlier clashed with worshipers inside the mosque compound. palestinians shooting fireworks at authorities and chanting slogans praising hamas. prime minister ben gentleman minute netanyahu says israel's enemies will pay the price for the attacks on its people. serious events over there in israel. >> brian: they say it stems over what happened wednesday police in the mosque. that was a response and the israelis know exactly where the fire came from. >> ainsley: 34 rockets were fired from lebanon. 29 of them were intercepted in israel. israel's response tonight and later will exact a significant price from our enemies says benjamin netanyahu. that's why they attacked back. >> brian: so about 2:00 in the afternoon yesterday admirable kirby took to the stand -- took to the podium and i thought okay. why are some of these stations taking admirable kirby in the middle of the day i wonder what's going on.

>> ainsley: turned up the volume. >> brian: got to it late. he decides that would be the perfect time for the go over there. 12 page review as you willry of more details to be released about how they view our exit from afghanistan. and it's so farcical and fantasiful and so devoid of facts and full of spin, it's one of the greatest insults to the american public that i could possibly remember. they don't want us to remember this. they say that this is not chaotic. they say that there's no reason for this to be about accountability. they say this went extremely well. how could they possibly put this report together and expect us to there was blame. there was blame on the previous administration who stuck us with a plan that was unworkable. >> will: kirby said he saw no chaos. >> ainsley: well, we did. >> >> will: he was proud of what happened in afghanistan. here is an official quote of the

withdrawal from afghanistan. president biden's choices for how to execute a withdrawal from afghanistan were severely constrained by conditions created by his predecessor. as part of the deal, president trump also pressured the afghan government to release 5,000 taliban fighters from prison including senior war commanders without securing the release of the only american hostage known to be held by the taliban. official line from kirby no chaos, they are proud. and to the extent anything went wrong it's the fault of president trump. that, of course, drew some interesting questions from peter doocy. >> ainsley: that's right. listen. >> peter: who is going to get fired over this. >> the purpose of the document that we're putting out today is to sort of collate the chief reviews and findings of the agencies that did after action reviews. the purpose of it is not accountability. >> peter: there were children being killed. there were people hanging off of air force jets that were leaving and you are saying that you guys are proud of the way this mission was conducted?

proud of that? >> proud of the fact that we got more than 124,000 people safely out of afghanistan? you bet. proud of the fact that american troops were able to seize control of a defunct airport and get it operational in 48 hours. you bet. does that mean that everything went perfect in that evacuation? of course not. but there was a lot that went right and a lot of afghans are now living better lives in this country and other countries around the world because of the sacrifices and the work of so many american government officials so, yeah. there's a lot to be proud of, peter. >> ainsley: he is saying that this is trump's fault and that trump needs to take responsibility for this. trump wasn't even the president at the time. keep in mind, joe biden took office in january. this happened 8 months later in august. at the end of august. and he says he didn't see chaos? listen to what he said about that. >> for all this talk of chaos, i

just didn't see it. not from my perch. at one point during the evacuation there was an aircraft taking off full of people, americans and afghans alike every 48 minutes. not one single mission was missed. i'm sorry i won't buy the whole argument of chaos. it was tough in the first few hours. you would expect it to be. will there was nobody at the airport, certainly no americans it took time to get in there. >> ainsley: we saw chaos. people running for their lives trying to get on these planes. incumbency were handed over the walls and we lost 13 service members in a bomb attack. >> brian: over 170 afghans got blown up. we could have killed the guy ahead of time. orders were not clear and were not given. we had a chance to keep kabul the taliban terrorists said do you want us to take us because the army has left or do you want us to go. we said all we want is the airport. the taliban ended up guarding the airport a disaster. we will have colonel douglas coming out in a short time who was in qatar evacuation when all

these people left afghanistan and got there the chaos that he saw is defies what he read. and keep in mind, too. a lot of those planes left empty when they should have been full of people. and the state department not only was not processing the visas. they were drinking the night before in the state department celebrating their last day. the president of the united states and the first lady were calling in demanding certain vips get through the date and some doesn't. he didn't include that in that. would he also include this? that we left behind $7 billion worth of weapons and equipment leaving the taliban the best armed force outside america? certainly in the far east and middle east. this, to me, if this makes saigon seem like a day at the park. it seems like the good old times. how many people were hung by their fingernails and tortured and families wiped out because of the way we left. how many of our special forces gave up their livings, cashed in

their 401(k)s to put together makeshift organizations to get americans and allies out and still doing it today? ainsley: think about all the stories, will. remember we heard all those stories of people hiding in their houses trying to call people in america to come find me, come and rescue me. joe biden goes to the tarmac. remember when the bodies are delivered, the service members are delivered for the transfer at dover? and he is checking his watch over and over and telling the family members i can relate to this because i lost a son to cancer? >> will: yes. yes. i do remember those things, ainsley as i think most of the american people do. which makes you wonder why did the administration feel it advantageous this is how politics works. it's not about accountability. kirby said blatantly this is not about accountability. peter doocy pressed him who is going to lose his job. this is not about accountability, peter. so what is it about? there's no possibility or conclusion to reach but for us to rewrite history. it's to officially set stone

just like they have done with covid on so many different angles of that throughout the years to rewrite history and set it in stone they were on the right side of history. pompeo said you are going to put this on an administration seven months out of power. >> i'm not stunned because the biden administration has consistently tried to blame someone else for every failure that they have had in these two years where they're leaving americans more at risk today than when they came into office two years ago. i am outraged. i'm outraged by the fact that the 13 americans that were killed there didn't have to happen and president biden made the political decision to announce the date of withdrawal to publicize it and withdrawal in spite of the fact that the military had clearly told him that was a likely outcome. i don't know what they're talking about. >> brian: he had his objective to get out of afghanistan. that's your objective. it was trump's objective. i thought that obama also said although that was listed as the good war, that was his ultimate

objective. it didn't happen, look at the reality on the ground. they said we have got about 2500 troops there. okay, maybe not enough to control the country but certainly bagram air force. provide cover for the taliban to fight. if you leave the country and don't support the afghan army at all at least with air cover, of course they were going to run. it was them or their families. they decided either to run or flip sides. so we got 2500 troops there. does he bring up the 7,000 nato members who weren't even informed of joe biden's so-called plan to leave? and, guys, when is the last time joe biden held on to any donald trump plan? did he hold on to donald trump's plan at the border? did he hold on to his xl pipeline plan and his energy programs? he sat there with a stack of executive orders and reversed everything he could. but this is the plan he couldn't touch. >> ainsley: brian, in the 12 pages, it says the outgoing administration provided no plans for how to leave and how to conduct this final withdrawal.

the former president didn't leave me any plans is what he is saying. >> brian: i don't know what to do. he could have called him. i surprised he didn't. left a little note in his drawer. this is an embarrassment for a military officer to say this isn't about accountability, will, have you ever heard that in your life. you write an after action report and no accountability. big in life big and small preschool to the ceo of a major corporation. when you have a disaster, why write a report and say my goal is no accountability. >> ainsley: how do you explain that to the parents of the 13 service members. we don't need accountability why your chi children died. >> brian: came back dead, came back wounded, gave their lives and can't believe this is their legacy. >> will: in fact, they are proud. heated hearing leads to the expulsion of two tennessee democrats expulsion nashville

following the school shooting. president biden calls the fact that these two have been booted undemocratic. they were voted out, i think, brian. >> brian: i thought camp david. plus today is good friday. i got a chance to catch one timothy cardinal dolan for holy week. >> the death of winter give way to new life. that's spring, that's easter. >> brian: coming up. ♪ spirit in the sky ♪ where i'm going to go when i die ♪

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>> brian: you hear about this. chaos erupting in tennessee's capitol as lawmakers expel two democratic state representatives who took a major role in a gun

control protest after the deadly shooting in nashville. >> ainsley: president biden now calling the move undemocratic. >> will: alexandria hoff has the latest. good morning, alexandria. >> tennessee republicans maintain that house decorum rules were clearly violate dollars as the representatives utilized bull horns on the house floor. >> the bill we are going to pass that [inaudible] >> gun reform resolution to expel three lawmakers representatives justin jones, justin pearson and gloria johnson. the vote to expel johnson did not pass. ecommotion did pursue expel jones and pierson. here's what they had to say about that yesterday. >>

>> speak up and to fight on anyhow. this is undemocratic. this is wrong. situation of patriarchy and white supremacy. >> president biden offered this statement yesterday saying today's expulsion of lawmakers who engaged in peaceful protests is shocking, undemocratic and without precedent. rather than debating the merits of the issue lawmakers have punished expel elected representatives of tennessee. republicans disagreed. gina bull so he called the way the protests were carried out a mutiny. >> we see that collectively this representative and the other two pounded on the podium. led chants with citizens in the gallery and generally engaged in disorderly and disruptive conduct. that's exactly what they did.

that not undemocratic bass the representatives are still able to be voted back into office. >> brian: out for now. alex, thank you. >> ainsley: sending a message not to storm our government buildings. these three were leading onto the balcony and house chamber last week. then it carries into this week. the republican-led house has said we won't stand for this. these three individuals are removed from committee assignments are out. they took a vote. gloria johnson didn't have enough votes to be expelled but the other two, justin jones and justin pearson are out. >> will: i'm so -- i'm listening to president biden and just trying to understand. and i'm going to feign some inability to understand this because i fully get that the use of protecting democracy or accusing something of being up democratic is just a proxy for i want you to lose. so, during january 6th, people

condemnedly riot and storm the capitol and described as undemocratic. in tennessee people storm the capitol, interrupt a democratics undemocratic. so it's undemocratic as long as it is in disfavor with joe biden. >> brian: right. and here's the big difference. it's okay to storm the capitol if you are against gun control or if you are for gun control. it is okay. here's the difference. it's a state house, as opposed to the capitol, i get it. number two it is, lawmakers were leading. this they weren't just like hey, guys i agree with you but get out of my seat. get out of the capitol. you don't belong here. okay. >> will: they took up with the rioters and did it again and said two of the three they were kicked out the woman stays and she is white. she says' it's simple. it's because they are black, that's why they got kicked out. so, here is gloria johnson, the democrat.

that stayed. watch. >> why were those two expelled and you weren't? >> well, i think it's pretty clear. i'm 60-year-old white woman and they are two young black men. in listening to the questions and the way they were questioned and the way they were talked to, i was talked down to as a woman, man explained, too. but it was completely different from the questioning that they got. and this whole idea, you know, that you have to almost assimilate into this body to be like us. >> ainsley: guys, what do you make of that? >> what do i make of it? here's the thing. you have serious issues in tennessee. they want to look at -- they want to look at the red flag law. they want to look at arming every single school putting armed guards in front of them.

they are going it look at everything that's going on with the private schools as well. and the way i understand it, they were trying to get through all this legislation. obviously people are hot. they don't want to get into the shooter why the psychiatrist thought it was okay to let this shooter not tell everybody how dangerous this shooter was. the parents? woman, transitioning, i don't know. audrey, the shooter, the killer was able to get seven guns legally. you don't want to talk about that. you don't want to talk about the fact that they had -- she had an elaborate plan and this was a death wish. instead, they want to say assault weapons. republicans' fault, guns the problem and the president uses this opportunity again to talk about assault rifles. >> if i'm understanding correctly. >> >> brian: no manifesto has been released by the way. decorum and roberts rule of order and constitutional procedures would be forced assimilation. if i'm understanding the congresswoman correctly. >> brian: yeah. >> will: i do not know why she

was not kicked out versus them. i will be asking. we'll be talking to state representative cammeron sexton. >> brian: only survived by one vote. >> will: we will ask why did she survive. >> ainsley: maybe she has been there longer and knows more people on the republican side? >> brian: or she didn't lead. maybe she didn't grab the bull horn. >> ainsley: everyone agrees you can't be chaotic in a state building or government building, the capitol of the united states. >> will: apparently everybody doesn't agree. >> brian: insurrections once in a while. 22 minutes after the hour here is ashley. >> ashley: a fox news alert. lawmakers holding a news conference along leaders of taiwan. mccaul spoke with aishah hasnie if the u.s. would send troops if china invades taiwan. >> it's always a last resort. i think we are here to provide tee terence. to demonstrate to china that it

would be a gross miscalculation. if communist china invaded taiwan it would certainly be on the table and something that would be discussed by congress and with the american people. are they prepared to do this? is taiwan worth it? i can argue for a lot of reasons why it is. >> the president of taiwan is returning home today after a quick stop over in the u.s. that included a meeting with house speaker kevin mccarthy. she will meet with that u.s. delegation tomorrow. cash app founder bob lee's tragic final moments and just a warning the security footage we are going to show you graphic nature. video exobtained by "the daily mail" shows a wounded lee dropping to the ground after a stabbing attack in front of his luxury san francisco apartment building. he clutches his side and tries to wave down passing cars for help. actress sarah foster daughter of musician david foster is a

democrat blames liberal politicians for quote ruining cities. the killer is still on the loose. bob lee was just 43 years old. new reports revealing boston whitey bulger visited the white house in 2016 when president joe biden was v.p. bulger who has numerous ties to china writing this email to hunter, quote: a u.s. embassy staffer met with the former ceo of the in 2008 and wrote up a report on the meeting. new york city exhibit last night. he had three paintings on display and the asking price is $85,000 each. and those are your headlines, guys. they were on sale. >> brian: three paintings, $85,000 each. of course two years of experience. got have great value. he's a magician about that little pipe of his. >> ainsley: throw paint against the canvas.

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white house review of the deadly exit from afghanistan which they say was great. he is laying almost all the blame on former president trump. let's take a look at the report and what president biden said about the withdrawal. i mean, first off, one of the claims and we are going to go over it in detail -- no one predicted. we can go back again. no one predicted during the collapse of the afghan army august 19, 2021. the reality, the military and all intel officers said if you get down to a certain threshold when it comes to troops, we're going to have trouble holding the country. and there were some signs that they are losing half the country already when they were still debating what they were going to do in august. the claim, military advisers did not urge him to keep 2500 troops in afghanistan. the reality? top general advised keeping several thousand troops in afghanistan. holding on to bagram air base. keep in mind you had 7,000 nato troops there.

so, together, they had enough to sustain the force. and maybe give this war a chance for a soft landing or a transition and a government to hold itself. after all, technically, they had hundreds of thousands of troops between the police and between the military. and finally in the last visit, in the last wall visit we have this. the afghan fund. they have money. it's frozen because the taliban promised to do certain things in order to unfreeze those funds. they have done almost none of it. our our allies and some americans are still there so they have 3.5 million frozen afghan assets. and, guess what? they are going to start using them. they are going to start getting ahold of some of those funds. let's expand on what we learned with now retired lieu ten be nant colonel c.j. douglas. great to see you, colonel. >> great to see you. >> brian: what role did you have in the after action report of the afghanistan operation. >> brian, i was part of the central command ar-15 6 investigation.

that looked into the actions before, during, and after the attack at abby gate. >> brian: where were you during the exit? >> during the exit for part of the time i was in tampa down at marine central command and then for the remainder i was in qatar assisting with the evacuation efforts. >> brian: when you see qatar, that's where you were? >> yes. >> was that chaotic. >> it was chaotic. you have to remember that they received -- that iconic picture of the plane filled with afghans which is about 800, that landed in qatar, those people all got processed through there and it was chaotic. >> brian: there were people will -- you had to scrape human remains off the wheel wells when those planes landed, did you not. >> did i not but service members did. >> brian: when austin and showed up operations in qatar. they saw hangers that were organized. they chose not to go to the

place that was total chaos. >> i can say in their defense in this? they were steered towards hangers that were prepared for their view. what they were unaware of was the absolute chaos that was created by putting all the personnel that were in the hangers is that they saw and that created additional chaos. >> here is what john kirby said yesterday. let's listen. >> and to for all this talk of chaos, i just didn't see it. not from my perch. at one point during the evacuation there was aircraft taking off full of people, americans and afghans alike every 48 minutes, and not one single mission was missed. so, i'm sorry, i just won't buy the whole argument of chaos. it was tough in the first few hours. you would expect it to be there was nobody at the airport. certainly no americans. it took time to get if there. >> brian: do you agree. >> i disagree completely. i have can say that while i have got great respect for mr. kirby, he came in late during the briefing that we gave the

secretary of defense, so maybe he missed some of the images and videos that we showed post return from qatar. >> brian: as of late of may of 2021 the assessment was still thatkabul would not come under serious pressure until late of 2021. that's the claim. what do you say about that. >> i say that's ridiculous. anybody who was watching the news saw the increase of taliban encirclement of the provincial capitals throughout afghanistan and ultimately tightening the noose around kabul to the point that, you know, it didn't take a student of military history to see what they were getting ready to execute. >> brian: the decision to notify coalition partners preparing for the neo ended up being a tremendous mistake and resulted in a chaotic evacuation. what do you mean by that? >> the. >> brian: they write. after the entire assault

afghanistan fallen to the taliban neo on august 14th. you started months earlier when we still -- should have started months earlier. >> should have started much earlier. let's be honest if it was a we are going to withdraw, the president himself had made this reflection upon iraq saying it would take a year to get all the personnel and equipment out it. would take seven months if we left everything and our grandchildren would ultimately pay the price for those weapons. >> brian: was the president and first lady calling in to kabul airport, harmid karzai airport demanding certain vips get in? >> from our interviews we found the senior leadership all the way down to the lower levels were receiving calls from the president and first lady, the administration general officers flag officers and elected officials. >> brian: was the state department drinking before the night they were leaving having an exit party in the embassy? >> as a result of the investigation, what we learned was personnel saying it physically took service members, u.s. service members to go door

to door to pull personnel from the embassy out of their rooms at the time of the evacuation. >> brian: was there a plan left for president biden. >> let's be honest, you know, as far as dod is concerned. they were working a plan. but, you know, and that's well before the 14th of august. i mean, but, whether or not there was a plan, you know, i think you have said it before, i mean, ultimately, the decision to leave and to follow the trump established timeline rests solely on the administration. i mean, we have seen that he has, you know, he had the ability as the president, the original plan was to leave 1 may. they moved it to september 11th. it was backed up to the first of september and ultimately the 31st u.s. forces were out. to say that there was no plan, dod personnel, central command personnel were rapidly planning to coordinate and execute an evacuation. >> brian: this is outrageous?

>> it's outrageous. >> brian: and inaccurate. >> inaccurate. >> brian: all right, colonel. i will talk to you later on radio. general jack keane is coming up in an hour. they can't get away with this. brand new report on the origins of covid. we will talk to dr. robert red field about it next out here, you're more than just a landowner. you're a gardener. a landscaper. a hunter. because you didn't settle for ordinary. same goes for your equipment. versatile, powerful, durable kubota equipment. more goes into it. so you get more out of it.

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>> ainsley: a long awaited report from chinese researchers studying the origins of covid reveals that d.n.a. from animals were found in samples taken from a wuhan market back in january of 2020. but they say this does not mean that the virus was caused by animal-to-human transmission as earlier samples are needed to make that determination. so, this still begs the question did the virus originate in the natural origin from the wuhan marketed or was it a leak from the wuhan lab? this all comes after biden signed that bill to finally declassify the intel on the

origins of covid, which is yet to be released. here to react is the former cdc director dr. robert redfield. good morning to you, dr. redfield. >> good morning, ainsley. >> good morning. they go into the wet market and they take a thousand samples. 73 of them from the wet market show evidence of the virus. but they say this doesn't mean it land or the origins came from the market it. still could have come from the lab splafn there for us. >> it's important to know what they did. my counterpart cdc director in china. what they did between january and march, they went into the wet market and they took samples from animals and they took samples from the environment. and what they found is none of the animals had covid that they sampled. they obviously found the animal d.n.a. but they didn't find the covid in any of the animals directly. what they did find is the virus in the environmental samples. and some of the environmental

samples that had covid, the sample -- that same sample also had say d.n.a. from an animal. but it didn't mean that the animal was actually infected. it just means there was animal d.n.a., and covid in the same sample. and george concludes very clearly in the paper that this is not provide any evidence that the animals were the source of or the wet market was the source. other thing i want to say just very briefly because i talked to george about this back in december, january 2020. when their original case definition for this outbreak was individuals with a flu-like illness that came from the wet market. so his first 27 cases all came from the wet market. but they came from the wet market by definition. they only tested people from the wet market. so, from the very beginning, there was sort of a set-up for people to try to focus on the wet market as the source as opposed to alternative hypothesis that i support clean-up is obviously the lab

leak. >> ainsley: people had covid might have been working in the wet market and working with these animal because it says most of these samples were taken from the southwest corner of the market where suspected illegal sales of wildlife occurred. so maybe the animal d.n.a. found in the environment is because they are selling these animals there and people who are working there have covid, right? >> that's right. so george concluded that, you know, it's very likely that the virus that was in the wet market, even if the animals had it, it, in fact, was a human to animal not animal to human. he couldn't prove it either. >> ainsley: do you trust him? >> people in america -- yes, i do trust george. i think is he an excellent scientist. i think he wasn't in the know. i think he found out about the outbreak the same time that i did. i want to remind people one of the other problems with this study from january to march is the outbreak we now really know -- know now really did

start between august and october. so these samples are already four to six months out of date from when the outbreak started. clearly the wet market was a super spreader event. clearly the virus was in the wet market. i would argue if you did the same experiment at the train station, or the bus station, you would have probably found very similar results from covid. you wouldn't have seen the animals, of course, but you would have seen covid. >> ainsley: fascinating. dr. redfield, hopefully we will be able to see this declassified information and have more answers on the origin. thanks for being with us. >> yep. thanks. bye-bye. >> ainsley: you are welcome. ashley has headlines for us. french president emmanuel macron pension reform plan. protesters setting off fire crackers and locking the entrance of blackrock. demonstrators setting a restaurant awning on fire. one of macron's favorite spots to dine out. 77 police officers were hurt and at least 31 protesters were

arrested. a moscow court says it will hear the appeal of detained "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich on friday. denying the claim he was spying on behalf of the u.s. gershkovich arrested last week unclear whether the american will appear in court in person or via -- he does face up to 20 years in prison. those are your headlines, ainsley. we will send it back to you. >> ainsley: thank you, ashley. still ahead, it is good friday and brian was able to catch up with cardinal dolan for holy week. his hopeful message that we all need to hear, next. choice hotels has a hotel for every type of stay. like a comfort with the kiddos. spacious! that's what they all say. stay twice and get a $50 gift card when you book direct at choicehotels.com. king's hawaiian sliders are ready. great - i invited a few more friends. ♪

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ing >> ainsley: today is good friday, the day of jesus' death. before his rurexz on easter sunday. >> will: it is one of the most important days of the year for christians around the world. >> brian: and this is holy week, i think we have concluded that i had a chance to catch up with one of the most important leaders in the world when it comes to the catholic church timothy cardinal dolan right outside of saint patrick's cathedral right over there watch: saint patrick's cathedral midtown, manhattan, i'm sure you figured it out already. no better place to be easter week especially with the person i'm about to meet cardinal

dolan. a long-standing version special interest to meet him. brian, how are you? >> i asked you on christmas can i come by on christmas? you said brian i have a better idea let's choose easter i thought wow that's forever but it is here. >> thanks be to god it is here. can you remember easter 2020? three years ago. empty church. we're glad that you livestreaming. so many of you can be with us. at saint patrick's cathedral. america's parish church here on fifth avenue in new york city. we miss you though. >> i thank god 2 million people tuned in to livestream our mass that was broadcast oh my lord, what a difference we weren't locked there. there is refresh your recollection that comes from that. >> brian: was the cardinal dolan easter week message? >> the message is the

supernatural version of spring. the death of winter is giving way to new life. that's spring, that's passover. that's easter. so death, evil, darkness does not have the last word. life and goodness and light has the last word and that gives us hope. and i don't know about you, but when i listen to the news, we need hope. like the shooting in nashville. >> brian: three 9-year-olds lose their lives. >> you think how can somebody go in and shoot up a school? how can somebody go in and shoot up a shopping center? how can somebody go in and shoot people in the synagogue? how can russia invade an innocent country? i know why. because we don't value human life. out of one side of their they are saying what's wrong with the world why can't we georgia tech long? why all this trauma and why all this division and violence? on the next hand they are saying but i don't go mass anymore and my trust in tradition and

patriotism and morality and region is down. i would like people to put those two together. >> brian: i look at the stats in 1998 they say 62% of the people say religion is important in my life. >> i have got to take that seriously. that is -- that is sobering. i'm in the enterprise of faith and religion. we learned from the bible that the best thing to revive a sense of faith and religion is a calamity. in our history, when there was prosperity and peace, that's where forget god. when there is calamity we return to him. i'm thinking god lord, why aren't we? we sure got enough of them. >> when we took prayers out of schools, guns came into schools. >> boy did he ever get blasted. he was right on target. he wasn't saying the church has to have prestige or clout in society. he is just saying our people need to be guided by faith. >> we need to build children

that's better for our world. and it means instilling in them some level of faith and belief. >> brian: do you worry what we are teaching in schools? >> do i ever. >> brian: what do you think about it? >> that's one of the reason why people are coming to the catholic schools. >> brian: seems like you are having a hard time keeping them going. >> it's nigh to impossible to keep a school going if you have less than 200 kids. you just can't do it. good news is they are more than ever. bad news is we are as afflicted as anybody else with the shifts, so in this city as you would know we have a huge demographic shift. the neighborhoods where we had families and kids aren't there anymore because they are moving. they're leaving the state or they are moving beyond. >> we have overturned roe v. wade with the mississippi dobbs

case. [cheers] >> brian: over the past two years one of the big missions of the catholic church has been to overturn roe v. wade, right? >> yep. that's good news for us. >> brian: some say because of the overturn the roe v. wade republicans may not win the election. if it costs you seats and influence did you do the right thing. >> we did. of course the sense of right and wrong doesn't dip into political implications. if we don't defender of the fragile life of the baby in the womb. no wonder cheapening the dignity of the human life is becoming lessened. goodness and right and virtue prevails at the end. that, too, is a message of spring and easter. ♪ >> of any church outside of rome, the one most visited by popes is ta da. >> brian: right here? >> when pope francis was here. and he came down fifth avenue in the pope mobile i had a great

seat with him. >> brian: you should. you is it exsubaruered hundreds of thousands of people. still not looking at the cathedral he turns to me and says. [speaking in french] >> i said. cathedral is here. he turns around and looked up at saint patricks he says but it's in the middle of everything. and then he smiled and he said and said that's where it should be. saint patrick's smack dab in the middle of manhattan. >> brian: is it wrong for you to have ambition for the next step to be pope or is that wrong? >> it would also be stupid of me. i'm not trying false humility here. i don't think i have got whether a it takes. i'm 73 years old. i'm very happy here. what i said earlier all i want to do. >> brian: on your way. >> i hope so: a blessed easter.

>> will: nice job, brian. >> ainsley: you talked politics, you talked easter. what a great, remarkable man. i love his humility there. >> brian: he doesn't have a bad day. every day he looks half full but he does not run from problems. he brings up the news he doesn't say i'm a holy guy. no, he dives into it. >> ainsley: do you know what i love about him. i feel like you could tell him any of your problems and he would not be judgmental. >> brian: he offered for me to go to confession i said so far i have been perfect. he said all right, i carved out some time for it so i guess we will call it a day. >> ainsley: humility. >> brian: so true. nice to give us an afternoon. >> will: love his easter message. >> ainsley: it is friday and sunday is coming. god bless you. congressman wesley hunt joins us at the top of the hour. ♪ ov ca ♪ like going hiking, just to hike to the bathroom. reaching for the bar, just to reach for pads.

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