arthel: texas governor if greg abbott says he plans to pardon if an army sergeant convicted of shooting and culling a black -- killing a black lives matter protester during a rally in the summer of 020 the. welcome to the a brand new hour of "fox news live," i'm arthel neville. s the easter sunday, so i say happy easter. hi, eric. eric: happy easter to everyone watching fox news, i'm eric

shawn. army sergeant daniel perry says he fired that day in self-defense. he claims that the protesters surrounded his car while he was driving through downtown austin and basically ran into a black lives matter protest. his lawyers argue that he had the legal right to open fire after one of those demonstrators raised an ak-47 and pointed it right toward him, so he feared for his life. christina coleman has the very latest. christina? >> reporter: hi, eric. texas governor greg abbott says he has requested the state's board of pardons and parole to expedite its review of this this case after army sergeant daniel perry was convicted of murder for killing air force veteran garrett foster, a black lives matter protester. it was an emotional day in court after the verdict came down on friday. members of foster's family could be seen crying and hugging the attorneys that they worked with. some eyewitnesses strongly kiss piewpted perry's claims in this case. they testify that foster did not

raise his ak-47 at perry. his father spoke to the media after the verdict came down. take a listen. >> we're happy with the verdict. we're very sorry for his family as well. there's no winners in this. >> reporter: per arely appeared to break down after the verdict was read as his family processed the fact that he had just been convicted of murder. this is nearly three years after the hooting that led to this trial. it happened at this black lives matter rally in july of 2020. perry's attorneys maintain he acted in self-defense when he fatally shot foster. video recorded at the rally shows people running after of the shots were fired. [gunfire] >> someone got shot, guys! someone got shot! [background sounds] >> reporter: a chaotic scene there. texas governor greg abbott believes perry acted in

self-defense. he says he's working as swiftly as texas law allows regarding the pardon of sergeant perry. he blamed foster's murder conviction -- perry's murder conviction, rather, on progressive prosecutors. in a statement he said, quote: texas has one of the strongest sand your ground laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive district attorney. he also said additionally, i have priorize thed reining in rogue district the attorneys and the texas legislature is working on laws to achieve that goal. now, perry was found not guilty on his second charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. the judge said sentencing on this case could start as early as tuesday, and perry faces life in prison for this murder conviction. eric? eric all right, christina, thank you. ing arthel? arthel: eric, investigators in minnesota say the disappearance of a 26-year-old woman is suspicious, quote, and her family is begging the public for

help. madeleine kingsbury went missing in winona over a week ago after cropping off her two children -- dropping off her who two children at daycare. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: saturday a marked the second largest search for maddie kingsbury. loved ones of the 26-year-old mom are asking everyone to keep their eyes is and ears open as this mystery continues to unfold a little more than two hours she's of minneapolis. -- southeast of minneapolis. the search is ramping up as law enforcement teams plan to begin targeted searches with new leads coming in. the move though follows days of community searches. police say on friday about 1900 people volunteered to search for kingsbury, and just yesterday another 700 people searched. these numbers represent those who are eager for answers. listen. >> if it was my child or anyone

in my family, i would want the entire world looking for her or them. so just an obligation, i think, between winona county and all the volunteers. >> reporter: detectives say on march 31st kingsbury and her children's father dropped the kids off at daycare around 8 a.m.. the the police chief says kingsbury then came home around 8:15 a.m. but then never showed up for work. investors said the father of her children told officers he left kingsbury's home add at around 10 a.m. in her 2014 dark blue chrysler town and country minivan, and when he got back to the house, kingsbury was gone. police say right now there are no suspects or persons of interest in this case. officers, though, appear on the focused on where kingsbury's van traveled that day, and they really want tips from the community. arthel? arthel: i hope they can find resolution. c.b. cotton the, thank you. eric? eric: china's military is holding lee days of war games

intended to surround the island of taiwan. beijing began those drills yesterday. that happened to be the day after taiwan's president returned home from a trip to the united states. aishah hasnie live in taipei, taiwan, where it is the 1:05 a.m. in the morning with the very latest. >> reporter: hi, eric. good afternoon to you. there is a very tense situation unfolding right now just about 50 miles away from this island in the taiwan strait. reuters is reporting that about 20 naval vessels, just half chinese, half taiwanese, are locked in a, quote, standoff near the median line in that strait. china is now on its third and final day of military drills, a whopping 70 chinese aircraft detected on sunday half crossing the median line. the military also simulating precision strikes existence taiwan this -- against taiwan this weekend. all of this in reaction to

what's been just a historic week for u.s./taiwan relations. back in the u.s. i more lawmakers say they would support sending u.s. troops in to save taiwan. >> the question for the congress, should we have a defense agreement with the island of taiwan. we don't. should we have one. but, yes, i'd be very much open to using u.s. forces to defend taiwan, because it's in our national security interests to do so. >> reporter: and, eric, a spokesperson for the american institute in taiwan tells fox news that they are monitoring beijing's actions closely and that there is no reason for the ccp to overreact. eric? eric is there any indication, you know, china, beijing has repeatedly crossed over that zone. is there any indication what the latest is there, or are the taiwanese vessels holding off the chinese vessels? is there any possibility for potential conflict between them?

do we know where that stands right at this moment? >> reporter: eric, there is always a possibility that there could be a mistake made, there could be an accident. right now it's just a very tense situation. like you said, this has a happened before. this is not as bad as what happened when then-house speaker nancy pelosi visited here on the island about a year ago in august. everyone just watching this situation, again, very closely because we know that china, the ccp not very happy with all the events that took place this week, and day after day they have amped up, ramped up tensions between the ccp and the island. so just a very tense situation that we're all watching very, very closely. again, anything could go wrong, but so far just looks like a standoff and possibly those vessels from the pla could move out of the way after their 3-day drill is over. eric: yeah, hopefully that's the

way it will occur. and finally, any reaction to the potential deployment of u.s. troops, potentially, among the officials there? >> reporter: yeah. you know, we actually got to speak to what is the equivalent of the house speaker here in taiwan, in taipei a couple days ago, and i directly asked him would you welcome u.s. troops if they were to come many, because at that point people were not willing to even talk about u.s. troops. and he said, absolutely, i would welcome any of our friends to come in and help taiwan if that day were to come. but, again, right now all the talk is about deterrence, making sure that they can get weapons that they need to send a signal to china that it is not worth the fight. eric? eric aishah hasnie live in taipei for us, thank you. arthel? arthel: for more on this, let's bring in kiron skinner, professor of international relations, and politics at

pepperdine university and a fox news contributor. as you see it, kiron, what is at stake here? >> what's at stake is the, really the control of the incopacific region -- indo-pacific region, making sure that china is not in charge of the economies of the region, the political dynamics and of the sea lanes, that they remain open for commerce. that's a huge task, but around the chinese action its skittishness, its nervousness about the historic week in california at the reagan library where a bipartisan group of american lawmakers met with the taiwanese president to talk about keepenning economic ties -- deepening economic dies, keepenning bilateral trade, more military assistance and grants and even democracy promotion, china finds itself with a south

south korea that has its own indo-pacific strategy that is tilting toward western values, toward the rule-based international order that the u.s. helped forge years ago and the biden administration last year put forth an indo-pacific economic framework with 12 asian countries along with the u.s. that includes many economic dimensions around integration and trade that republicans endorse. all of this is happening as china tries to flex its muscles and loses credibility globally as the new peacemaker among the great powers. so its aggression can, i think, will only hurt it, and it has almost no supporters. arthel: well, all good points you make there, ask as you said china wants to the control the economy, china also craves confirmation and notoriety as a

global peacemaker. and that flimsy theory will be tattered and shattered if china takes military the action over taiwan. and the war games, they're not a good look either. so what is china's move? [no audio] can kiron hear me? >> [inaudible] arthel: i can't hear her. kiron, can you hear me still? >> yes, i can. i hope you caught what i said. yes. arthel: i didn't. go ahead because if i didn't, perhaps the audience didn't. go ahead and answer the question. let me reset the question because you were talking about how china wants to control the economy, they also want to be the global peace merrick, but heavy got war games happening. >> absolutely. it's doing all of these things -- arthel: so what do they do? >> it thinks that it can become

the global peacemaker. the entente that it's attempting to broker between iran and saudi arabia, its no the-limits relationship with russia, its attempt to cut trade deals all over the globe. but with its actions in the last few days, really the last tree years -- three years, its growing aggression against taiwan, i think it undercuts its global reputation. and it is emerging as a bully against a fully functioning, democratic, independent nation, the island of taiwan. which has increasing support throughout the indo-pacific region, throughout europe, and there's not really anywhere to go for china in terms of finding support. for something -- arthel: well, that's interestin- >> -- an invasion of taiwan, not that i'm arguing that that is imminent. arthel: right. but i, you know, listen, i asked

this question of jamil jaffer yesterday, is there room for diplomacy in this scenario? if so, what are those diplomatic deal points? because you just called china the bully. bullies don't usually like to be diplomatic. [no audio] okay. i think peter cottontail has gotten in here, there's yes, ma'am lins in the system. [laughter] we're going to toss it back over e biden administration is set to begin credible fear screenings for migrants at the southern border. this as state are now gearing up for another

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arthel: welcome back. the biden administrations will soon begin enforcing stricter rules at the southern border before the trump era title 42 public health policy officially ends next month. matt finn is live at eagle pass, texas, with the very latest. hi, matt. >> reporter: hi, arthel. happy easter to you and everyone watching. the biden administration says it will start holding credible fear interviews with migrants seeking asylum here in the united states, and this is basically going to be an added layer where migrants have to establish that they have a general or a genuine fear of persecution in the country where they are coming from and that the added layer is basically going to possibly weed out asylum seekers who are here for the right reasons and others who are not going to be granted asylum. it continues to happen around the clock here. in san antonio, the, dps stopped a u-haul truck, the passenger in

the truck bailed out into the thick texas brush, something we see so often. the trooper discovered the driver was from san antonio and was smuggling five illegal immigrants. texas dps tells us they've been consistently busting everyday people from all across the u.s. who are saying yes to the lucrative offer of making thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars to stuff migrants in a vehicle and smuggle them to their next destination. in the arkansas a man from pine bluff was pulled over for speeding this easter weekend, he was caught with four illegal migrants in his car. those migrants, they tried to bail out but were caught. they were from mexico, honduras, chile and the dominican republic. and a man from new jersey was busted in texas, pulled over for speeding. deputies say he jumped out of his truck but was caught. five mexican nationals were found hidden in his car. he faces fiveny counts of smuggling -- five felony counts of smuggling. the fentanyl busts, they are happening just as consistently.

arthel? arthel: matt finn live at the southern border there in texas, thank you very much, matt. eric. eric: and for more on on the policies by the administration, let's bring in the vice president of the national border patrol council, john. is the administration really cracking down, or is this going to just expedite the flow of more migrants into our country? >> well, it's hard to tell at this point. the process that they're instituting is something we used to be able to do, but it was e ended around 2012 or so. the problem and if they're still going to institute sort of this liberal interpretation of the law about who actually has a credible fear, then it's going to the speed it up. but if they were to actually be forced to hold them to the standards in the law about what qualifies as credible fear for asylum, then it could make a difference, but we don't have any expectation that that's going to happen. eric: what migrant's going to not say they have a credible

fear? don't the smugglers coach them, tell people what to say? there are the obviously some who do have a legitimate, credible fear of going back to the violence, the gangs and that sort of thing, but isn't this part of the process that we've heard they've been coached what to say when they arrive? >> 1000%. the cartels have in this figured out. if people were giving the legitimate explanations for why they're leaving their country, many of them will say that they're fleeing gang violence. and i would say, well, there's gang violence here too that's not one of the things listed in the statute because you have to be fearing persecution based on your status in a certain group like based on your race, your religion, that sort of thing. just being afraid of violence in your country doesn't meet the statutory requirement. so if they're just going to continue to the allow people with those types of claims to be able to claim credible fear and come into the country, this is just speeding up the process. eric: so if it does speed up the process, can you describe what then happens? if they say they have credible

fear, they're given a court date later, how does that work? >> that's right. so they'll, instead the of having to sort out this piece of the process later on, they'll handle it now, and they'll set up a court date sometimes years in the future. and then the concern is, is this process becomes even more expedited, then you're going to see more people want to try and cross. and we actually here in the field, we don't have any idea how this is going to look. there's been no instructions or guidance given to the us. so as we get closer to title 42 the ending, more people will then be eligible to go to the port of entry and request asylum like this. so we're concern we don't know really how they expect border patrol to handle this or even the folks at ports of entry and customs. and with that confusion, you'll see more people that are just going to try and cross hoping to take advantage of that. eric: and you just mentioned the end of title 42. what do you expect will happen over the next coming months with title 42 the not there anymore?

>> we've been here many times in the past, and every time we've gotten closer and closer to title 42 going away, people on the other side of the border and elsewhere have started making preparations to come to the border. this isn't going to be any different x. now that there's this talk that potentially they're going to speed up the process to move people down this sort of conveyor belt of the process, we expect it's just going to get worse. eric: you just said it's a conveyor belt of a process. that's a very visual, evocative way to describe it. when you see all these groups showing up at the border being toll or coached on what to say -- told or coached on what to say to the agents, and the conveyor belt just brings them right many in. >> that's right. we have people that have to handle certain steps of the process, and you have to keep things moving because we've seen what happens in the past. you have groups stuck at the river, you have people, like thousands and thousands of people over capacity in some of our facilities. so whether it's border patrol or the folks in customs, you have to keep everybody moving because

if there's any breakdown in that process, things just get backed up, and the conditions end up being terrible, and is you end up with situations like we had under the bridge in del rio with that haitian migrant camp that was set up. there's a lot of different, moving parts to to this. and if this speeds up that process, it's going the make things worse. but this is an opportunity for the white house to actually hold people to the requirements that claim credible fear and turn away those who don't meet those requirements, but i'm just not holding out hope that's going to happen. eric: yeah. do you think that'll work many. >> if they do it properly, like i said, we've done this before. border patrol agents were able to handle some of this credible fear discussion back in 2012. but the white housing back then ended that process. so instead of people having to explain to us what they're afraid of, all they had to do was say, yes, they're afraid of going home, and border patrol agents just said, okay, come on in. eric: well, sounds like you're going to have a pretty busy

summer. the vice president of the national border patrol. john, thank you. >> yes, sir. thank you. eric: arthel? arthel: well, speaking of summer, eric, americans are expected to feel a lot of pain at the pump this summer. next, why gas prices could hit new record highs. it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. there's always a fresh deal on the subway app. like this one! 50% off?! that deal's so good we don't even need an eight-time all-star to tell you about it. wait what? get it before it's gone on the subway app!

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in a different location and then ditched their car in a pond. the marion county sheriff's office says that they will push to charge all three juvenile suspects as adults. arthel? arthel: brace yourself. experts warn gas prices could rise in time for the busy summer travel season. now, this is after saudi arabia and other oil producers announce surprise production cuts. according to aaa, today's national gas price average hitting $3.90, that's up -- 3th 60, that's up 10 cents from just last week. so what can we expect as we head into the peak driving season? bringing in gary kaltbaum, fox news contributor. gary, surprise cuts? this happens every year before summer road travel and road trips. so what is saudi arabia up to the? why are they cutting production now? >> yeah, opec was determined to get prices higher.

they were $67 a monthing ago, now over $80. and now they do it is right before summer knowing we get into peak season knowing that our strategic petroleum reserves are at lows of 1984. and what do they do the? they cut and here we go. we're at $3.60, i can pretty much almost guarantee $3.8ing 0 in the next couple of weeks if prices just stay where they are right now as we just spiked up in the last week. and bottom line, nothing good comes from higher oil prices especially in an inflationary environment that finally has had some relief over the last few months. arthel: yeah. because, as you to said, prices were just down. people were driving more. as you know if you're selling more widgets, you can sell them for less. why because that not apply to gas prices? >> well, look, when there's less gas, the prices go up. it's simple as that. you've got to remember the price of commodities are based on

traders, speculators and investors -- arthel: no, excuse me, gary. i understand that. excuse me, i understand that, but they're cutting the supply intentionally. >> they want higher prices, is so they can get more profit on everything hay cosell. and just remember they're -- do sell. they're in another part of this world. and look, the bottom line, every 10-cent move over a 1-year period is about $10 billion coming out of our economy. that is a lot, especially what i would call somewhat of a fragile economy and somewhat of an inflationary environment. so the hope is no more. my problem is i think opec's determined here, and they may just keep cutting more as we head into the summer months, and i think that would be $4 oil on average going forward. obviously, depending on what state you're in. arthel: well, what happens if people choose staycations over road trips? what would happen to the oil prices and profits then?

>> well, less command will mean there'll -- demand will mean there'll be some slack and maybe prices won't head higher as much, but less demand leads to less an economy. so it's kind of like a little bit of a vicious cycle. and let's just hope it stays in and around here. the problem is, again, it's an important point, i think they mean business many here. this is a concerted effort or not just by the saudis. they got all the other countries involved, and i think there is room for them to cut more, unfortunately. our remedy would be we have 300 billion barrels of provable oil in this country. if we can just turn that up a notch over the next few years, i can promise you as i said the traders, speculators, investors, they'll sell down the price. but that's not happening just yet in any meaningful fashion. arthel: yeah, that's what i was just about to ask you, so where because domestic oil prices, or production fall into this

equation? i'm sure they would like that. >> we just need to do more. anybody can look up the permian basin in texas, unbelievable amounts of oil. they're already bringing a lot out, but we can double that. it'll take a little while, but just knowing that we were going after it in a meaningful fashion would do the trick to a certain extent. that's what i'd be all for, but right now there's a political thing about how much should be done, how much oil should come out from the united states. arthel: so the main u.s. oil producing states, alaska, new mexico, north dakota, oklahoma, texas. politics always gets mt. way, right, gary kaltbaum? what's going to be the solution? give me 30 seconds. >> there is really only one solution is we get control of the situation by drilling more and producing more and making it well known and sending that message to the world.

and again, as i said, we have a ton of provable reserves. that is the main thing, to take it out of opec's hands. and right now the message is they have a little bit more control or a lot more control they've had over the last few years. that dynamic needs to change. arthel: gotta go. we'll leave it right there, gary kaltbaum. thank you very much is. take care and happy easter to you and your family. all right. eric? if. eric: well, arthel, the white house says it is doing every possible -- everything possible to try to get "wall street journal" reporter evan gersch covisits released from a russian pretty prison, but it could take weeks or months. evan's colleague from "the wall street journal,"s john bussey, joins us next on his plight and what the world can do to free a journalist. together we provide nutrients to support immune, muscle, bone, and heart health. yaaay! woo hoo! ensure with 25 vitamins and minerals

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the pontiff urging the international community to help put an end to the 13-minute-old conflict. mike tobin is lye in kyiv with the latest. -- live in kyiv with the latest. >> reporter: and the fight cons in the east of this country and along the southern axis, but still russia was hitting targets deep inside of ukraine today. there was a rocket attack in zaporizhzhia, very fear the largest nuclear facility in all of europe. to rocket collapsed part of an apartment building, a father and a daughter were kill on the scene there. a 46-year-old mother was buried in the rubble, taken away in an ambulance for some help. she survived. the regional ukrainian army says attack involved two s-300 missiles from russia. in light of that strike, people in zaporizhzhia were advised to the avoid public gatherings. however, in kyiv christians gathered for eastern sunday mask. in ukraine an easter basket is filled with meat, bread, cheese, willows and flowers, and it gets

blessed by the priest. churchgoers said it gave them a chance to feel what normal life is like. >> this easter is like a reminder of what life we had before war when we all together go to the church and just singing songs and, you know, easter as usual. so it's like something that we had before war, and now it's all the same. >> it was a tough year, but we believe in victory. that that's enough for keep fighting. >> reporter: it is east -- in his easter sunday mass, pope francis offered prayers for both ukrainians and russians. the pope has made a point of avoiding criticizing russia with the intention of not alienating them. arkansas arthel, back to you -- arthel, back to you. arthel: praise for -- pray for

peace. mike tobin, thank you. eric? eric: the white house says it's doing everything it can to try and free "wall street journal" reporter evan ger. covisits being detained many russia -- evan gershkovich being detained in the russia. the biden administration says evan is being wrongfully detained. he's set to receive an appeal hearing nine days from now, but until then he remains in a russian prison. john bussey is one of evan's colleagues at "the wall street journal," associate ed editorial to have and fox news contributor. john, grab an american, a reporter, throw him behind bars on fake charges. what efforts are there ongoing now to try to get him out and do you think this will be successful? >> it is right out of of the playbook. there are a lot of efforts not just by the journal and lawyers that we've hired ins cow, but be state department, the biden administration. they've been quite supportive on

this, very outspoken on the matter. the charges against evan are just nonsense. he's not a spy. he's a reporter for "the wall street journal." he is there to explain to the world what's happening in russia. he had just published a story in the journal, he had co-authored it with another journal correspondent on how the economy in russia is getting damaged by the sanctions and by the war. who knows, maybe that got some attention in the security apparatus the, and they didn't like it. we just don't know. but we've gotten quite a bit of support from the administration. we are waiting for the determination of wrongful detention. that's a bit of a bureaucratic process. it's already been proclaimed thus by the secretary of state, antony blinken, and once that status is acknowledged within the administration, again, it's a procedural matter, that will open up opportunity for the

administration to negotiate even more forthrightly with moscow over the detention and seek evan's release. eric: it's been suggested that evan, totally fluent in russian, and that means that sometimes folks when you go on foreign assignment, the government gives you a fixer or a minder, that meaning he could run circles around them, he knows what everyone's talking about, and they can't control him. do you think that is part of this and also a potential swap that we've seen before with that alleged russian spy who posed as a brazilian who just graduated with a master's degree in international relations from johns hopkins whos' been arrested by u.s. authority -- who's been arrested by u.s. authorities? >> yeah. we don't know whether russia felt particularly vulnerable by the fact that evan was highly qualified to be a correspondent for the journal in russia. that's not uncommon, what you're describing, erin. we've seen it in china as well where concern eric, where we

have fluent chinese speakers, and that throws the chinese off a bit because that gains those individuals, those correspondents additional session -- access to people. he can speak directly to them. they don't need to go through a minder or a fixer, as you point out, who because sparse translation of what individuals are saying. we don't know what got the their attention on evan. we just know that he's being wrongfully detained the. he's not a spy. he's a 31-year-old highly qualified u.s. citizen born many new york -- in new york, reporting in russia percent "wall street journal." and, yes, this is becoming a bigger problem around the world. you're seeing authoritarian governments use correspondents, this is kind of a generalized attack on the free press. you're seeing governments use correspondents as bargaining chips, throwing them in dee tension to try to keep their own press domestically in line and

to prevent -- of their countries by outside organizations such as the journal. you're seeing also the same thing happen to business people, eric. you're seeing business executives tossed into prison. you saw this in china, used as bargaining chips, essentially as hostages in preparation percent exchange of either a spy or -- for the exchange of either a spy or somebody that has been convicted in the united states or convicted in another country. they want to use them as an exchange. there's a good story on this right now on wsj.com, how common this is becoming. eric: the truth threatens totalitarian regimes. evan was doing the his job. john bussey, colleague of evan's at the "wall street journal", john, thank you. and, of course, we here at fox news, we call on evan to be freed. journalism is not a crime. we'll be right back.

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eric: well, after tying a masters record, tiger woods is now out of the tournament. the five-time champion withdrew this morning due to a flare-up of a foot injury. yesterday he was seen limping through a rain-shortened third round after making the cut for the 23rd straight time, tying

for the longest streak in masters' history. we wish tiger woods the very best. arthel? arthel: tiger is always a champion. well, easter is the holiest day of the year for christians around the world as they commemorate the resurrection of jesus christ. and the victory of light over darkness. joinings us -- joining us now is pastor of our lady the of lords church on long island, new york. oh, man, i used to go to our lady of lords church every sunday in new orleans. all right, just thought about that. monsignor with, i'm here with you now -- [laughter] seriously, though, how is it that there can be conflict on this holy day and in the name of religion? >> yeah, that's always a disappointment. you know, there are signs of hope though, arthel. fact that you're having me on to talk about this great celebration. you just said it beautifully, we're talking about something that reminds us, first of all, of the sacrifices of our lord in

dying for us and then destroying and vanquishing the great fear of death by resurrection. and if we could embrace the love that he brought into the world and shared with each other, i'll give you a sign of hope. a couple years ago on easter sunday you and i would be talking about empty churches. today at the mass i celebrated, over a thousand people, we're back. and there are signs of hope that people want to be spiritually fit. i'm hoping that the love we celebrate in church we can carry outside of church. i'm concerned, as you are, about the outside world. mr. putin says he's a christian, but how do you follow a jesus that lives and stands for everything loving and then do such unloving things? if we could just take the message of this easter season seriously and live it out to the confines of church, we'd be in great shape, wouldn't we? arthel: yeah. but then that's my question. so as we take inventory of our personal stock, you know, how can we fewly and in a manner

that will, in a way that will matter, learn to see each other not through lenses that reflect color, but see each other as fellow humans? >> yeah. it's a problem i think in every religion too, compartmentalization where i have my god relationship versus my people relationship. god is love, we say, and as often as we love one another, we are experiencing the love of god made real. so we talk a lot, every religion, about how much we are talking to the god upstairs, but to the god upstairs doesn't impact on the way i deal with my neighbor of any color, culture, religion, then what's the point? religion's a wonderful thing. i'm not one of these people who believe it's a negative force unless we don't live it by separating it out and deciding we've got our god life and our real life. they've got to be one and the same. one of the things i'm happy about is when i go home today, i'll be celebrating dinner with my 102-year-old mother cecilia.

and she talks about living through the depression, world war ii and all the things that have happened since then, and she's still living as a person of hope in our year 2023, i'm saying, okay, if my mom can have hope after all she's seen, i'm going to be a person of hope too and and believe that we can take the stuff that we do in church, many in synagogue and mosque and try to live it in the real world. arthel: happy birthday, miss cecilia. oh, by goodness, god bless you, miss cecilia. [laughter] that's amazing. 102? what? >> 10 is 2. arthel: yeah, go ahead. >> no, no, no, thank you. i'll tell mom you sent love. i'm sure she's watching right now because i am her favorite and only son, you know? arthel: that's how you're her favorite, because you're the only. ha ha. [laughter] >> but isn't it interesting today, arthel? arthel: go ahead. >> it's wonderful to me that when i looked out today and i

saw standing ram only, over a thousand people who are hungering for the spiritual, and i said at the end, you know, the first test is going to be how do we leave the parking lot today. are we cutting people off because we fall back into the same pattern of not taking our god love life and bringing it into our real life? is what about you, arthel? we compartmentalize, if we can just be consistent. you know, jesus, of all the suns he con con 'em -- condemns, the one he condemns the most is hypocrisy,ing not saying and living what we believe. arthel: amen. happy birthday to you, happy easter. eric, that's it for us for now. eric: happy easter, monoseen -- monsignor. look what i picked up at the easter parade -- [laughter] versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein.

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p6 i am shannon bream from the middle east their rising tensions around the globe this morning. in almost two years since the end of the war in afghanistan, divided administration releases its report on america's withdrawal and points the finger of blame elsewhere. ex-president's decision to end the war in afghanistan is the right one. from the stock of chaos i just did not see progress white house officials shift the blame of the chaotic exit from america's longest wato