risk of abuse is high with students testing the limits of what is considered cheating. 43% of college kids have used a.i. apps. over half admit they used a.i. to help with assignments. school nationwide are pondering how to monitor student's use of a.i. and it is hard to stop. people can access websites anywhere even at home. chatgpt 0 that alouts educators to upload assignments if it's original or a.i. >> we have our own a.i. that we check against and we feed it the document and ask it how likely it is that you would have written the exact same thing? >> the educators don't get 100% proof a student may be cheating. they can create a discussion to find out what's going on. >> dana: the temptation would be there. mark meredith, thank you.

fox news top of the hour, three big stories topping the news. china's military carrying out massive blockade drills around taiwan today. china announced three days of drills on saturday after taiwan's president met in california with house speaker kevin mccarthy. protests expected in tennessee today where the state legislature is back in session for the first time since it voted to expel two democrats for their role in a chaotic gun control protest. a at the detention of erin gershkovitch. more on those stories throughout the hour. first. >> someone got shot. >> dana: the army sergeant convicted in the death of a black lives protestors in 2020 says it is self-defense but

facing a possible sentence of life in prison. texas governor abbott is calling for the state to grant a pardon. that is developing now. welcome to a new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm dana perino. good morning. >> bill: i know you had a good weekend. excellent. great easter weekend, thank you. i'm bill hemmer, good morning at home. lawyers for the army sergeant daniel perry claim he had the right to open fire after he says protestors surrounded his car and then one of them aimed an assault rifle at him. but a jury ruled otherwise finding him guilty of murder. ken paxton said he hopes the state pardon board will take up his case. >> they are not elected but pointed by the governor, seven members. i sincerely hope they will take what has happened to this into account and the investigator and let this guy go. he doesn't deserve to go to prison. >> bill: casey stiegel is in dallas today and picks up the

story. >> the story moved quickly since last friday. that by the way is when the jury down in austin convicted army sergeant daniel perry of murder for shooting and killing a black lives matter protestors at a demonstration, as you said, back in 2020. perry was driving for uber at the time and claims that a group of protestors surrounded his vehicle and started beating on his car. he says that 28-year-old garrett foster was in the crowd and raised his gun so perry shot him in self-defense. prosecutors argue it was perry who instigated the fight and a jury agreed. one day after that guilty verdict was reached texas governor greg abbott said he was working to secure a pardon for sergeant perry citing tough stand your ground laws for texans who protect themselves. >> governor abbott felt it within his authority by the texas constitution. i think he is making the right

decisions based on the facts that have been presented to him and i think he is on the right track. >> but others couldn't disagree more. critics say this undermines the entire justice system pointing to perry's nearly two week long trial that just wrapped. in a statement to fox digital the democratic district attorney garza says in part, in our legal system, a jury gets to decide whether a defendant is guilty or innocent, not the governor. yet abbott is still moving forward and already asked the state board of pardons and pennsylvania roles to review this case. >> bill: thank you, casey stiegel leading this hour in dallas. thanks. >> dana: dueling rulings on abortion pills reigniting national debate. a judge in texas nominated by president trump blocked approval of the abortion drug.

less than an hour later a u.s. district judge in washington state nominated by president obama ordered the fda to retain access to that medication in 17 states and d.c. health and human services secretary says he has not ruled out defying the texas judge's order. >> we want the courts to overturn this reckless decision. yes or no, we want yes that women continue to have access to a drug that's proven itself safe. >> are you taking it off the table that you will recommend the fda ignore a ban? >> everything is on the table. this is not america. what you saw by that one judge in that one court in that one state, that's not america. >> dana: let's bring in kim strassel at the "wall street journal" and fox news contributor and author of the book "the biden malaise.".

this issue in the courts has been building. the supreme court ruled on dobbs last year. we know there has been a lot of political backlash from the left on that and it is showing consequences such as in wisconsin last week when the republicans lost that supreme court race by ten points. now you have this other issue even though dobbs said let the issue be settled in the state legislatures, now you have the federal courts involved and you have this collision of two judges at the appellate level. >> it is a real pity. conservative movement spent 40 years trying to extricate this issues from a supreme court ruling that basically invented a right to abortion. they finally get that last year in the dobbs decision and yet now we have both the right and the left filing lawsuits trying to put this right back into the federal court system again and having judges decide. i think even further what's really problematic is if you look at both of these suits,

they are so legally weak both the case in texas, which is trying to suggest the fda made a mistake in approving the drug and the one in washington state saying the fda shouldn't be allowed to impose safety restrictions on the drug. it's a legal stretch and a shame we're having this fight in the court system again. >> bill: the judge ruled in texas to give them a week delay so the feds could get a response together. and then you have the other judge come in right away. aoc, she has a view on this as well. here is what she said on sunday during the talk show on cnn. >> the courts rely on the legitimacy of their rulings. when they make a mockery of our system, a mockery of our democracy and our law as what we just saw happen in this drug ruling, then i believe that the executive branch -- we know the

executive branch has an enforcement discretion especially in light of a contradicting ruling. >> what she is predicting i take it, the president will come in with some sort of executive order? is that next? >> i guess but what we're basically having here, bill and dana, is democrats suggesting that the federal government should simply ignore a duly issued order from a federal court. that's dangerous, okay? we have a problem right now in washington with too many politicians on both sides trashing standards and norms. this is another example of it. and i think the really frustrating thing here is you heard this isn't america. this is america and how we do things. there is a process that plays out. the pity is they aren't letting the process play out. the judge issued a stay waiting for a federal response. whatever comes after that the 5th circuit court of appeals

will look at this. just to note, too, even if the fifth circuit were to uphold this. the fda what they are being accused of not that the drug is unconstitutional or violates a statute but that it erred in its process for approving it. the fda can approve it in a new process. a lot of things to play out before politicians are calling for federal officials to ignore the federal judiciary. >> dana: last friday in your column you were talking about how republicans need to figure out their message and execute on the message about abortion. ronna mcdaniel was on last week. we're losing by ten points there is a messaging issue and abortion is still an issue. where do they go from here? >> that's a reference to the wisconsin supreme court which conservatives lost last week in that election on abortion. republicans have a problem here and why you don't hear them talking much about the ruling that came out.

they did manage to get the issue back to the states. in ztoo many places they are ignoring the fact the country has changed over the last 40 years. i think they are beginning to get that message from voters in michigan, from wisconsin, elsewhere that really want to see a common sense in the middle position on this issue. they will have to figure out where they stand. some of these abortion bans which are really being pushed by some in the party are just not going to stand in swing states and it will have a devastating toll on the gop. >> bill: "wall street journal," kimberly extras el. nashville now. we expect protests again today as the tennessee legislature comes back to session for the first time since kicking out two democrats from the state house over their roles in chaotic gun control protests a week ago. charles watson watching this is live in nashville. charles, hello. >> good morning, bill. we do anticipate more protests

today in support of gun reform and in support of those two expelled democratic lawmakers who by the way say they will run for re-election. in the interim would like to be reinstated into the now vacant seats until a special election is held. >> yes, i would be honored to accept the appointment of the commission and run in the special election. >> yes and yes. we'll continue to fight for our constituents. >> reappointment could happen as soon as today for justin jones. a metro council could reestablish him. across the state the chairman of the shelby county commission says that voting body will hold a meeting wednesday to discuss the reappointment of just pearson to his seat. he believes the expulsion of

state representative justin pearson was conducted in a hasty manner without consideration for other action. the move to expel them both who are black followed a gun reform demonstration that they held with gloria johnson in march. the protest was disorderly and broke chamber rules. jones and pearson say the motivation seemed racist after pointing out johnson, who was white. was not expelled. others say the implication is false. >> representative gloria johnson pleaded apparently convincing people enough to say that she was not a very active participant to imply that it has anything to do with race is really, really untrue. >> protests are expected out here behind me as the house goes back in session this afternoon. we'll keep an eye on it. >> bill: another week in

nashville. north of where charles is reporting in the town of louisville, kentucky we expect a news conference any moment now. there is word of multiple casualties after a shooting that was either at or inside of a bank area or a bank itself. we're piecing this together. we haven't heard word about fatalities. we hope that holds up but we'll find out when police brief in a moment in louisville. >> dana: russia's arrest of a "wall street journal" reporting putting a spotlight on the growing number of americans being arrested by authoritarian regimes around the world to get concessions from the united states. benjamin hall is ahead with a look at what, if anything, can be done to get them free. >> bill: the biden team speeding up efforts to change the way americans drive. the strict new rules being pushed by the epa. plus this. >> rahm wins the masters marathon.

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>> bill: now police in louisville are saying there is no longer an active aggressor threat. the suspected shooter has been quote neutralized. drop in here. cops in louisville talking. >> i will reiterate it is an ongoing investigation. this information is preliminary and it will be updated shortly. we ask that the public remain away from the scene. it will be an ongoing scene that will take a long time to investigate. there is no active danger known to the public at this time. if anyone has any information related to this incident we ask that you call 574-lmpd.

we'll have another update press conference at 11:30 where we will be able to answer more questions and put out more information. that's all the information we're able to provide as of now. >> would you please -- >> thank you. >> we have confirmed at least five deceased at this time. we have transported at least six to university of louisville hospital. >> thank you all. >> bill: wow. that's tough news. 5 or 6 dead as a result of this shooting and when they talk about a shooter being neutralized oftentimes that's he would be or she, depending on the outcome here, would be one of the victims. this is right near the louisville slugger field. the heart of downtown louisville, kentucky. we're waiting for more details on this. going on for about an hour, i believe, dana. that's a tough way to start the week. >> dana: police trying to figure out a way to get some message to

the community once they were able to neutralize the shooter. but in that follow-up question that the reporter asked, we learned that five have been killed and six are on their way to the hospital. so our prayers with them as they get to the hospital where no doubt they will get the best care they can possibly get in louisville. >> there is a ball field there, aaa and louisville influencinger museum near the ohio river where i-64 and 65 intersect. the goth of the city of louisville, kentucky. we'll bring you back there when police bring us more. >> dana: 11:30 a.m. another press conference. we'll follow it. first the gas stoves. then the light bulbs. now the administration is going after cars. the epa reportedly set to propose new rules on tailpipe emission standards in order to

boost electric vehicle sales by 2032. what's going on here? grady trimble with fox business is live at the white house with the latest. >> hi, overon the south lawn they are rolling easter eggs. north lawn we talk about the biden administration potentially rolling out new emission standards. the president has already set a goal of half of all new vehicles sold by 2030 to be electric. these new standards could go well beyond that. the rules could insure that more than 2/3 of all new vehicles sold could be electric by 2032. that's according to the "wall street journal." the epa is expected to make the announcement of new tailpipe recommendations in detroit. the journal reports new standards will apply to model year 2027 vehicles and gradually increase through model year 2032 vehicles. the white house hasn't confirmed the rules yet. they aren't final. an epa spokesperson says as

directed by the president in an executive order the epa is developing new standards to accelerate the transition to a 0 emissions transportation future. republican lawmakers point out these new rules and electric vehicles in general could do more to help china than the environment. >> we can do so much better. if we want electric cars we can do that. we knowed to find the critical min nails -- minerals. china is a proxy for us engaging in slave labor, child labor in african mines with no safety or no worker safety standards. no one is producing a fair trade electric car. >> for perspective evs make up 5% of all new vehicles sold. >> dana: a beautiful day at the white house. >> bill: now to the detention of the "wall street journal"

reporter evan gershkovitch by russia. it sparked condemnation from western governments and global news organizations as well. a new report saying his detention is a growing pattern of authoritarian regimes arresting americans specifically to squeeze concessions from the u.s. our own colleague benjamin hall with us today. ben, good morning to you and hello in london. first day back on the job. you clock in and here we go. like you never left. >> absolutely. >> bill: i think about the case of danny pearl, 20 years old. "wall street journal." i think what al qaeda tried to do. i think about britteny griner with vladimir putin. they use us, american citizens, as tools and how we respond is going to be very, very interesting for evan. >> there are two big questions.

first is how to get evan home. he was away and his family weren't with him over easter. how do we prevent something like this happening again? the easy way to get him home is a prisoner swap. a number of times in the past year. britteny griner exchanged for a major arms dealer. trevor reed exchanged for a big drug trafficker. who would the russians exchange evan for? there are no big russians in prison. who hops could they exchange him for? russian spies have been arrested in brazil and latvia. some question about handing those over as well. there is a cyberattack in the u.s. they might want as well. the big question is once you start paying for hostages, once you start handing people over how do you prevent it happening again? what sanctions can you put in place? we expect the state department to say evan has wrongfully

detained and his case gets moved over to the presidential hostage association. they have the ability to impose sanctions. what more needs to be done at this point? >> dana: don't know if sanctions are enough, right? antony blinken spoke about this conundrum they're facing. >> in any of these instances, there is a balance to be done between trying to bring home people who are being unjustly detained in one way or another and what it takes to do that even as we engage in efforts to bring people home, we can also increase the pressure and increase the penalties on those who would engage in the practice of unlawful detention of american citizens. >> dana: one thing i wanted to ask you about, benjamin, is the importance of having reporters on the ground reporting from places that might be hostile in

terms of our government and the danger that puts some reporters in, as you know. >> yeah, evan and i share something in common. both journalists doing our work and attacked by the russians. i feel for him and his family and i no he what he was trying to tell the best story, trying to find out the news out there. the state department says americans shouldn't travel to russia at the moment. it is too dangerous. he had a kremlin visa, journalist visa and he was captured. the irony is in war zones it is taking ukraine where i was. you still have an idea of where the enemy were and firing from. when you are in russia the way evan was there is nowhere to be safe. if the russians choose to pick you up, they will. how long with news media continue to keep journalists there? it comes with real risk. that's the risk we have seen in the last few days. >> bill: i like the public

posture the "wall street journal" is taking. keeping his name and story out there and we'll try to do that, too. as an american during putin's war he is reporting from behind enemy lines and i think that's the best way to characterize it right now when you consider his circumstances in jail. ben, great to have you back in the fold. get to work. >> dana: hope to see a lot of you. take care. >> bill: back to louisville. the facts as we know them, dana. police say five dead in downtown louisville as a result of that shooting. the shooter is dead. don't know if he is included in the five or not. it does not say. six others have been hospitalized. >> dana: the police there say they will give another update, a fuller update at 11:30. just a little over an hour from now. they had to -- they came out around 10:20 a.m. to try to give the public some information

because this broke just as people were getting off to work and school after their easter sunday and no doubt in downtown louisville this caused an enormous amount of concern. the police wanted everyone to know the aggressor was neutralized and got out right away with that. they are giving more information to the public at 11:30 this morning. >> it houses the old national bank not far from louisville slugger field and baseball park. the governor andy beshear might be on scene by now. he said pray for all the families impacted and the city of louisville. some of the eyewitnesses heard gunfire inside the building. so this is right the beginning of the work week right around that time for this shooting to take place. numerous police vehicles were

seen on tv footage. reporters locally said they saw people being taken away in ambulances and we can confirm that. we have been hanging on to the hope about multiple casualties suggesting that possibly people did not succumb to the bullet wounds. that hasn't been the case for several. >> dana: want to bring in former chief of police dan linskey. we don't have a lot of information. in a situation like this you can imagine those authorities want to get one, the aggressor neutralized, that they have done. as much information as they can to provide to the public within an hour. your thoughts this morning. >> yeah, very important to get information out that the event is over, right, the threat is neutralized. that's the first thing so people realize that their loved ones are no longer in danger. now we have to figure out what happened and deal with the

impact of the trauma for those who were impacted, assaulted and lost their lives. a police officer was being shot in the head. don't know what the outcome of that is. another tragic event to start off our week after the holy weekend. it is important to figure out what was going on here. reports it might have been in the bank conference room. was there a presentation, was there a conference, a meeting? is that a former disgruntled employee or a robbery attempt where individuals were engaged in violence? so folks will want to get that information as quickly as possible so they know what happened and then authorities can try and figure out if we can ever make sense as to why these events happened and why this particular one happened. >> bill: indeed. half a dozen or so that have been injured to a hospital now. we don't have the extent of their injuries, hoping the best for them and their families. i imagine police right now, the fact that they are not going to

brief for another hour are trying to reach next of kin at the moment rick aren't they, dan? >> they are trying to confirm information and know exact will i what they have and at some point somebody is trying to -- the first process is to identify victims. that takes time. and to do the process of alerting next of kin in a respectful manner. sometimes with the speed of social media today, oftentimes police officers are beaten to the door by a friend or associate who has the information that's texting the next of kin and getting that information out there. there is a balancing act to make sure they get accurate information. we've seen instances where family has been notified and in fact their loved one wasn't the victim. we've seen instances where victims' families are notified they were okay and turned out they weren't. it is important to get that proper. we've got to make sure we respect those individuals who are slain and process that crime

scene. there is a process that has to take place. it is painstaking. at the same time we want to make sure we're doing it in a manner that's respectful of individuals who lost their lives. there is trauma for those who were there that need to be dealt with making sure that, you know, witnesses are able to be dealt with. they have got to get their statements but we want to do that in an informed way taking into consideration the crisis they just went through and we also will have first responders who went through crisis as well. it appears it was a confrontation. we know the subject is neutralized. we don't know if it was self-inflicted or from police officers or a bystander. there has to be a full, thorough invest into that and that utilization of force as well. credit for getting at least initial information out quickly so that we don't see -- sometimes these events go on for 2 and 3 hours where people are terrified whether or not the

threat is still there. it is important as louisville did today to get that information out as quickly as possible that, you know, the evil has ended for today. and they are trying to identify exactly what happened and what the next steps are. >> dana: dan, one thing if this is a bank building, it is likely there are many cameras that can help piece things together and possibly also i think about the police and how quickly they might have responded here. any thoughts on that in terms of the type of place this took place? we have had shootings, unfortunately, in the last couple of weeks at schools, for example. but a bank building is a different situation perhaps with security. >> it is. it might have been a security officer at the bank. banks definitely have amazing cctv coverage to cover every inch of the location. they often have remote alarm systems that can alert that there is a crisis, an event

going on there. we even have buildings that are equipped with gunshot detection systems these days. like we saw in nashville. what was the response of the police? how long did it take? reactions when they got there. these are standard questions being asked at every one of these incidents now and sure something the louisville department is trying to get the timeline as exact as policy and confirm what happened. tragic event occurred. we don't want to exacerbate it with information that is wrong and bring further concern for those impacted by the violence that occurred in their community today. >> bill: we are trying to walk carefully because there is a lot of stuff we don't know. a report that we're looking at now from the local abc affiliate suggesting one of the victims is a police officer. now, it is hard for us to piece this together whether or not there was a cop on scene or

whether an officer responded to a shooting. this is something we just don't know. what strikes me is that the first reports happened around 9:30 local time about an hour go, can we agree on that thereabouts? so if you are at a bank and the bank opens at 9:00 a.m. and you are coming off a holiday weekend, then this is right when the new week begins. so if this shooter felt aggrieved last week or over the weekend or something was said or something was done, they were in all likelihood, dan, waiting for their opportunity unfortunately on monday morning inside that bank building. >> right. you know, we see three types of threats that can come their way, maybe four. robbery attempt that might have occurred, maybe they were hoping there was a large sum of cash in

there after our holiday weekend. we see disgruntled employees that come to facilities to have an axe to grind and let's be clear, most of these people, if not all of them are suicide all. their intent is to commit suicide and they want to take other individuals innocent lives and have somebody take their life and they take their life in the process when confronted. do i see this as a terrorist activity? doesn't have the earmarks of that but there is domestic violence in our country. if somebody is estranged from their family. had the holiday weekend to figure out what's going on and gloat over it and hold the person that they are estranged from who might have a restraining order against them, we often see individuals who will go to workplaces to do these incidents when they look to harm a loved one that is the breakdown in the relationship. we don't know what happened yet.

>> bill: we don't know, you're right about that. one more thing here as we piece this together. the fox affiliate there, which is wdrb in louisville. they are saying when police showed up on the scene that they still heard gunshots firing inside of the building. the building is known as preston point, two words. and point is spelled pointe. the image i have here, dan, is the cops show up. they hear firing inside and they in all likelihood had to make a choice whether they respond to that. that's very similar to what happened in the school in nashville two weeks ago. >> that's exactly what happened in the school in nashville two weeks ago. don't know if shots were coming out of the building at police but police were faced with an imminent threat. the only response you can have

to that is to go in and address the imminent threat as quickly as possible. hoping that is exactly what happened here today. and time will tell exactly what the threat was, what was playing out when officers arrived and what they did when they responded. >> bill: dan, thank you for your time. appreciate you jumping on the call and see how it turns out. thank you, dan. >> dana: just to recap for you here around 9:30 this morning we got word there was an active shooter in louisville, downtown louisville. not exactly where it was, bill has confirmed it was at a location called preston pointe. we were just talking with dan linskey who knows about police work from his time in boston, the officers get to the scene and hear gunshots. we'll find out from them in about 50 minutes from now when

they plan to have a press conference about what the officers decided to do at that time. it was around 10:20 a.m. we found out the aggressor had been neutralized and then we get word from the police officer who came out to try to let everybody know that one, they believe the shooting had stopped. aggressor neutralized. unfortunately also word that five people are deceased, six are at the hospital. >> bill: retired nypd lieutenant is on the phone right now. we're just learning it together. dan was trying to help piece things together for us. what is your initial reaction as we get reports of what was considered to be a mass casualty incident and with six dead, another half dozen headed to the hospital, we are back at this again, joe. >> yes, sadly we are.

right after the long weekend, the holiday weekend. i think dan was spot on with a lot of his observations. the fact that he got a long gun in there. i'm sure the cameras will tell once he is inside that location what his actions were and how he took those actions. but also prior to that they will be piecing everything together. is there an accomplice, was he dropped off? does he have a car there? they want to see how he got the long gun in there as quickly as he did. the police response i just -- i feel so bad that so many were injured and killed in this incident. the police did what their training teaches them. go into an active shooter. but the fact that they said that he is neutralized, that's the immediate threat. so they don't see any other threat in that area. doesn't mean he did not have an accomplice or aren't other people involved in this. once again we're left with a massive shooting over here and

we have to piece everything together because the shooter is neutralized and now we have to see what the motive was. was it disgruntled, a bank? the fact the feds are involved immediately because there is a bank there tells you a lot. the pieces will come together. there could have been an incident there before and they'll do any calls to the area and put it in the system and see if the address picked up anything in the past and piece it together with his identity and see how he fits into the picture with this location. or it could be a random robbery. he went in and decided this is what this person is going to do. for a robbery they don't want to draw attention. this was targeted. >> dana: could you speak a little bit, joe, about police officers being prepared at all times for something like this?

we just came off of a lovely easter weekend. a lot of people watched the masters, families gathered and monday americans go back to work and you never want to expect something like this to happen. but the police seem to have responded, as you said, in excellent amount of time with a good result for when they got there. >> you know, when you put that uniform on, i've said this a million times -- you go out there and you don't know what your day is going to bring you in the world of policing, all right? the fact that they have the training and it kicks in to do this and we seem them do it so well as we did in the past, and i just -- i applaud them because we did it for so many years and we just -- everybody talks about it. police never run away from the shots, they run to the shots. that's what they are trained to do. it doesn't make it any easier

knowing that -- just picture yourself going to an incident like this. everybody has to realize the adrenalin is pumping. your training kicks in but you are going into an unknown situation. if one of the officers was one of the victims over here, then it makes it that much sadder because people just don't understand what police go through every single day. you could have all the training in the world. when you are approaching the unexpected it is a different scenario. >> bill: here is the associated press and what they're saying now. they call it a bank building downtown louisville killed five, wounded at least six others, joe. suspected shooter was also dead according to police. this is important. paul humphrey is the deputy police chief. officers who arrived on the scene encountered active gunshots fired inside the location at that time. another quote shooter confirmed to be dead on the scene. we do not know exact will i the

circumstances of his death at this time. end quote. we know it was a male, joe. what we don't know is whether or not the gunman took his own life or killed by police who responded there. >> once again, bill, we have to wait. i guess we'll wait for the next presser that comes out with this and the official presser from the police and the fact that he is out of the picture right now doesn't make a difference whether it's by police or by himself. it makes a difference to everybody out there but the police went in knowing they had to do their job. if they took him out that's great. if he took his own life, this is his plan to go in there and there will be suicide by police or himself. the fact that he has a long gun and gets into these places with a long gun tells you a lot. that's what causes the most damage. he might have had a handgun or what else was done. >> bill: maybe he worked there. we don't know. >> exactly. as i said before, bill, you will find out. they'll do a victimology and see

what the association is to him with that building or a person or persons within that building. maybe he was an employee. maybe somebody just annoyed him in the past and it came back and this is something he planned and came in there and look at the carnage once again from somebody planning something. >> dana: we were told earlier this hour that the f.b.i. was on the scene responding to the shooting. what kind of resources and support does that help provide? >> when the f.b.i. and a.t. f.get involved in these, they have the resources to run through their databases any piece of information as it evolves. they'll get his identity and run him through the databases. some are entwined throughout the united states. they'll get the weapon and trace the weapon. a.t. f.assists with that and f.b.i. will see if he had flags on him in the past for anything

else. anything that was being worked on, a case that might have been in theaire that we don't know about. the fact they put all the brains together and resources together is a good thing. i think the fact that they are on scene right away is even better. once again it could be because it with as a bank. it may have come over originally across their wire as a bank robbery. >> bill: our fox affiliate saying it occurred at 8:30 local time. not 9:30. we're two hours and 17 minutes into this. police will brief again at 11:30 which is 43 minutes from now. they say a witness, not identified, said she was driving by that intersection and heard several gunshots and breaking glass, quote, i had just dropped my son off at work on river road and at the stoplight. first thing i saw there is a guy across the street of the intersection laying down at the entrance to a hotel. a civilian and being the ended to by someone with a

walkie-talkie. at first she thought it with as a jogger who had fallen until she noticed he was on the steps and not on the sidewalk and heard the gunfire. another quote as i was sitting at the intersection gunfire erupted over my hand. i didn't know if it wasing at the bank or out of the bank. not clear if it was inside or outside. i turned that one of the windows in the bank was blown out. at that point she said several police officers pulled up in their vehicles. they were coming from everywhere she is quoted as saying. police were coming out of the cars with black rifles. i just ducked in my car and waited. so we wait, joe, until we get more information from police. sometimes there is a lockdown on information that appears to be where we are at the moment. >> dana: and as we wait for that press conference, the other thing, joe, as i understand at this point what is it like for a

police officer to scramble and need to get in touch with the victims' families? >> that's the painstaking part of this is the victims and their families and making the notifications. i can tell you firsthand it is not easy. especially like the last shooting with the children, it's very difficult. but bill, you brought up another point here, by the way, that it is 8:30. the fact that this woman saw the windows -- heard the windows, apparently this bank would have been closed at that time. they don't open until 9:00. this person who wanted access may have shot the windows out to get access before it happened. that would make him familiar with this area. >> bill: thank you, joe, stand by. we're trying to piece it together as we go. we won't get a ton of information for at least 40 more minutes. nate foye is doing his best to report on it as well. what did you find out? >> good morning to you. right now, of course, everything

developing in this shooting in louisville but we do know that five people have been killed, six more taken to the hospital. that from local authorities, the mayor tweeting about this. governor andy beshear is on his way to the scene asking for everybody to pray that hopefully the six people who were injured can pull through in this horrific shooting. police do confirm the shooter is dead. the call came in at 8:30 this morning and happened at a building that houses an old national bank location. multiple law enforcement agencies on scene right now. agents from the atf as well as the f.b.i. alongside local authorities and as you have told with some of the witness accounts, just an absolutely horrific scene developing in louisville. local media says a man with a long assault rifle opened fire on the first floor of the building at 8:30. police say an officer was on

scene within minutes. they took down the shooter. we are working to learn more, as you mentioned. police will be providing more information shortly and we'll keep you abreast of that information, bill. >> bill: thanks, nate foye on that working the story with us here in new york. >> dana: we await the press conference in about another 49 minutes or so as they are doing the very difficult work as joe was explaining to us to alert the family members of the victims which is a very difficult job for the police. imagine the devastation of their loved ones who have spent a beautiful easter sunday with them and monday morning they go to work and this happens. >> bill: joe, you are still with us, right? thanks for riding with us on this. we're just trying to do our best to bring it to our viewers. here is an update. they are now saying 11:00

eastern, okay. so 11:00 is only a few minutes away. we'll get more information then. what's going through your mind, joe? what are the first questions when the police come out and talk? >> once again i want the victimology as soon as possible. an active crime scene and it will remain that for quite some time. maybe the fact that he did shoot the window -- the only thing going through my mind. if it was a bank and he did shoot his way into the bank, maybe somebody hit the alarm inside the bank and why the rapid response from atf and f.b.i. as well. but the fact that this is just going -- this will be an all-day and a few days moving forward. i want to once again believe we will find out this individual was very familiar with the area and had a beef with somebody inside that location or had a past history for some reason and

decides to take matters into his own hands. >> bill: 3 1/2 weeks louisville has the annual kentucky derby. they will run for the roses on that day and this is a part of town, dana, that is just packed with people who will come in town from all over the midwest and all over the country, for that matter, to attend the race. a great little ballpark down there, a great place. if you've never been to the louisville slugger museum it's where they make the baseball bats. >> dana: i have loved louisville. you have more experience. this is a very close knit community. >> bill: it seems to me everybody knows everybody in the town of louisville. a river city on the southern banks of the ohio river. they put a lot of effort into this part of the city trying to revitalize it again between the

university of louisville itself and the ball team. frankly, they've done a great job. you find this all over the midwest, frankly, when cities have tried to revitalize themselves. a lot done through technology. you can live downtown, walk to an office, use an uber driver, work from home. it created revitalized urban centers across the midwest. >> dana: a lot of people found a great new home in mid-size cities like louisville, which is a beautiful place. shaken to the core this morning as 8:30 a.m. the shots started. we found out around 10:20 that the active shooter had been neutralized. the report five people killed. we aren't positive if one of those is the shooter. it would stand the reason that is the case. six are now in the hospital. we pray for their recovery and

for the doctors that are taking good care of them. bill, a lot of people will ask some questions today about on a weekly basis america reporting, if you watch fox news or any other location, these are the stories we're reporting. it is very difficult. you see the heroics of the police officers but getting in front of these and stopping these from happening in the first place is a difficult problem for america to solve. >> bill: a former swat team member on the phone. live on camera now. i see you, chad. thanks for the quick work on that. what's going through your mind and what is your question for police in four minutes' time? >> you know, absolutely. another devastating day. it seems like as we know active shooter events are up 53% in the last two years. it seems like it is a weekly occurrence. but it sounds like law

enforcement officers did a great job getting in there. like we saw in nashville. getting in there and getting work done, going to the sound of gunfire and eliminating the threat as soon as possible. a devastating time. >> dana: chad, what do you think might have happened there with it being a bank building? security -- it would have been a secured building in terms of somebody even on scene but with a lot of cameras giving the police a little more information as they tried to enter the building to neutralize the shooter. >> more information we can get upon arrival is great. obviously in a chaotic situation a lot of times you won't hear radio traffic. you are trying to get to the scene, get inside as quickly as possible. we hear a lot of times organizations and schools who will give the blueprint or plans off to people. a lot of times that's great but in a stressful situation i won't

have time to look at the plans on my computer. i go to the scene and the sound of gunfire as quickly as i can. >> bill: what does it tell you the f.b.i. was on the scene so quickly? does it tell you much? >> i think a lot of times in any of these situations we'll have all partners, state, local, federal agencies there to work together as a team. i know in situations i've been in like this, you have the bureau and the atf and provide resources to dive into this investigation and get the citizens answers as quickly as possible. >> dana: it seems the police did act very swiftly here and time is of the essence on any of these. the training seems to be excellent. we had the opposite in uvalde and that seems to have been an aberration. the training here to your mind excellent? >> 100%.

we have seen an increase in training on the law enforcement side. my belief is we need to see more increased training on the civilian side of people being trained on what to do in these situations. law enforcement is doing an amazing job in their in-service training. going to the sound of gunfire and not hesitating and not stopping. like you just said we have seen what happens when you hesitate and stop. it doesn't end well. these officers in louisville today reverted to their training. excellent job. kudos to them. our hearts go out to the offices and anywhere else injured or lost a life. >> bill: in your own professional career how much training have you taken part in this type of scenario? >> that's a great question. in fact, i was part of a team that wrote the active shooter curriculum for a large agency in south carolina and we would do that every year. in our yearly in-service

training active shooter response was part of that training. scenarios were laid out and we continually trained on that. the patrol officers will even on their days off come in and work on these type of scenarios. we'll find vacant banks and schools that we can use to train in. so again, it is very -- it is one of those things if you don't use it, you lose it. you have to continually train on these types of events. there is a reason why professional athletes get to a stadium four hours before batting practice and hit ground balls. when game time comes around they don't want one of the ground balls to be something they never saw before. if we can continue to train on that we can eliminate the threat sooner. >> bill: thank you for joining us today. old national bank is the scene. what happened we don't know? we're trying to police it together. police will brief in a matter of

minutes. >> five killed. six at the hospital. we're waiting for the details. sandra smith is in for harris and "the faulkner focus" will take it from here. we'll have that press conference for you in just a few minutes. >> sandra: thank you. fox news alert. five people killed in the shooting in downtown louisville this morning. s six others taken to the hospital including a police officer. the shooter is also dead. we expect an update as dana and bill just mentioned any moment now on the ground there in louisville. more details expected as the police chief on the ground told reporters earlier that the officers who arrived on the scene quote encountered active gunshots still being fired inside the location at the time they arrived. let's get to nate foye following everything that has happened so far as we await the update from the police. >> what we know right now from louisville police is that five people were killed i