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inside the offices of a bank before the gunman was killed after a shootout with police. all the attention now turning to the victims as well as a possible motive. >> sandra: and we are expecting another news conference from investigators in louisville coming up, that is happening less than an hour from now. a lot we still don't know. welcome back as "america reports" rolls into a second hour. i'm sandra smith and a big welcome to you, bill. >> bill: i'm bill melugin in for john roberts today. the white house set to face a whole lot of important questions at the briefing, how the white house reacts to the china dress rehearsal of a threatened invasion of taiwan. >> sandra: a snub from america's oldest ally, france. french president the latest leader to cozy up to china as that country works to create a new world order. >> bill: and now china scoring

another political win, president biden heads to ireland, expecting john kirby to join the white house press briefing to preview the president's trip to shore up some relations overseas as america's standing in the world continues to come under attack. >> sandra: morgan ortagus will react to the france snub and how president biden should react to it. but breaking news of the hour. as we learn more details out of louisville, after a shooting at a downtown bank left at least four dead and eight injured, two of the wounded being police officers. >> bill: so far police have said they believe the gunman did have a connection to the old national bank branch, including being a former or current employee. nate foy has the breaking details from our new york city newsroom. nate, what are we learning about how this incident all went down in the first place? >> bill, as of the last update, we were told that four people were killed, not including the

shooter, and eight were injured as sandra just outlined. but the university of louisville hospital is saying it received a total of nine patients this morning so we are hoping to get some clarity on how many were injured in the upcoming press conference at 3:00. of the nine injured, two are police officers, one officer is in emergency surgery this afternoon in critical condition, the other officer is expected to survive, their injuries less serious. the gunman opened fire at the old national bank, which is in downtown louisville at about 8:30 this morning. police also say the gunman, as you mentioned, is believed to be a current or former employee at the bank. it's located on east main street in louisville, it offers typical financial services for individuals and businesses. authorities now gathering all available evidence and unfortunately, notifying the families of those who were killed. kentucky governor andy beshear tweeted an hour ago, today is a

tragedy. louisville and the entire commonwealth are mourning and we call on everyone to share the love, support and compassion this community desperately needs right now. louisville police say their officers likely prevented more deaths. listen here. >> it is clear from the officers' response they absolutely saved people's lives. this is a tragic event, but it was the heroic response of officers that made sure no more people were seriously injured than what happened. >> bill, witnesses say the shooter, a man, walked in with an assault rifle. you can hear several rounds being fired as the workday was just getting started. this happened at 8:30 this morning. we are expecting a press conference at 3:00 p.m. hoping to get clarity on the number injured, and the officer in emergency surgery. we'll see if police share the

name of the gunman or more details. >> bill: and the attack personal for governor beshear, he lost two friends in the shooting. >> sandra: emotional governor beshear, said that he had lost someone close to him at the bank and another that had made it to the hospital. the updates on the hospital numbers, bill, have been changing throughout the day. there can be, as we cover these shootings in the past, there can be many reasons for that. sometimes they tell you exactly how many are in the hospital at that moment they provide the update, how many total sent over a period of time, some are released right away, but the latest from the ground nine were injured and sent to nearby hospitals. three have been released so far. two were the police officers that were shot. one was in critical condition. two people in critical

condition, one of the police officers was in surgery. so, hopefully at this news conference at the top of the 3 o'clock hour we'll get further updates on all of that and the shooter and the shooter's relation to that bank. chris, thanks for joining us. i'm sure you've been following the coverage throughout the day. what can you add as we await the update top of the hour? >> yeah, sandra, our prayers go to the victims and their families and what makes this especially tragic, we have a police officer fighting for his life because he did the right thing. and that's, you know, that's the trend, that's where we are now when there's a shooting without any special equipment, without any real back-up, police officersers go straight to the sound of the gunfire knowing they may not go home that night. so, you know, this is a tragic incident. we are going to learn more about it. sounds like there may be a workplace disgruntled employee aspect to it.

sort of fog of war hanging over the scene now, but you know, it will inevitably triggers discussion about the firearms and that sort of thing. i hope the politicians and so-called leaders don't dwell on that right now and dwell on what we should, which is that we have these victims and just have to reach out to their families. >> bill: and chris, regarding the firearm, we don't know what kind of weapon was used but the atf is on scene, and normally with the mass shootings, once they get there, they are able, b the atf is, urgent traces on the firearms if they have serial numbers. how quickly would the atf be able to find out where this guy got the gun? >> under these circumstances, pretty quickly. routine, it could take a while. the forms they use are paper and if it's been a while, they are stored in a warehouse so. that could slow things down.

they really need to automate that system but for some reason it has not happened. time is the factor here in terms of the when the gun was purchased. >> sandra: we hope to get some more answers when the news conference happens. emotional stories. the governor shared with us he lost two close friends in the shooting at the bank. you are reading other stories about folks who, one man said his wife was hiding in a bank vault as this active shooter situation was happening. but thank gosh for all involved that the police were there within three minutes of the first phone call that shots were fired, and that is -- that's a quick response, and likely saved lives according to the police chief. >> yeah, you know this is what we call a low risk event but high consequences. meaning you have to prepare for this no matter what it costs, whether you have to have a security guard, depending on the

type of business, whether there needs to be an armed guard present, you have to plan for these contingencies. the consequences are off the chart. you are seeing police departments training and seeing that in this type of response, three minutes, that's record time and from the private sector and in schools and churches. everybody needs to be prepared, even though it's highly unlikely it won't happen, you have to prepare for it to happen. >> bill: and chris, given the shooting happened inside a bank, i think it's safe to assume there were a lot of surveillance cameras that might have captured the shooting. wouldn't you think? >> no doubt about it. i was head of security for bank of america and it's all about the cameras. they probably have some of the best resolution and you know, number of cameras of any business out there. so unquestionably this will all be on tape. >> sandra: chris swecker joining

us. we'll have updates, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> sandra: we are also awaiting on the white house press briefing at which john kirby will be present as a major development plays out overseas with ramifications that could reach every corner of the world. china's military declaring it is "ready to fight" after wrapping its three-day military drills off the island of taiwan, and it says it's ready to smash any form of taiwan independence. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot with the latest on that. >> the latest flurry of chinese saber rattling is over, but this is, yes, really serious stuff. chinese war planes, warships were launched around taiwan's coast in what is called combat readiness patrols, meant to simulate attack on and a sealing off the self-governing island china claims as its own. included in the exercises for the first time, fighter planes

practicing attack missions from the deck as well as nuclear capable bombers in the skies. multiple crossings by chinese planes and ships, the midline strait between china and taiwan, plus the taiwan defensive air zone. those launched a range of defensive responses from the eye -- island, triggered by president tsai meeting, when tsai returned, fireworks started. also after french president elect -- macron said that europe should not get involved in a u.s. china spat over taiwan. and finally, sandra, the chinese drills also came after the departure of another u.s. congressional delegation from taiwan headed by representative michael mccaul.

he and others were talking hawkishly about, for example, u.s. boots on the ground in taiwan at least in a training mode. so, they are talking hard and the story, back to you. >> sandra: and mike pompeo saying we should do anything we can. very good to have you, thank you very much. greg palkot on the latest on that for us. thank you. >> and then the french president macron fly to china, take french businessman with him to hustle up business with the communist in china. >> his comments were embarrassing, disgraceful and play right into the ccp strategy. >> bill: the french president sparking international backlash for a three-day visit to china, he says europe should not help fend off an invasion from china. china launched drills that we just reported on. beijing is pushing more and more countries to isolate taiwan by

dropping diplomatic ties with the island, as recently as last month, president biden said the west is coalescing on the china threat but experts say the macron visit proves that is not true at all. morgan ortagus founder of polaris, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> bill: first thing i want to ask you about, pull up the statement from macron, the paradox would be overcome with panic we believe we are just america's followers. the question europeans need to answer, is it in our interest to accelerate a crisis on taiwan, no. the worst thing would be to think that we europeans must become followers on this topic and take our cue from the u.s. agenda and chinese overreaction. morgan, is france turning their backs on us? >> this is probably the lowest

in relationship with the united states and france, i mean, tom cotton and mike gallagher just said, unconscionable macron would not only make the statement but fly to china and do so. he's doing it in the backdrop. and you have an ongoing genocide against the uyghur people. you see china's territorial expansion, hear the rhetoric from all corners around the world what they are saying, their plans for a new led world order with putin, put communist, the chinese communist party at the front of that new world order that they want to lead. so, for france to do this, especially at a moment when you have seen the united states so behind europe in the russian aggression and the war in ukraine, france has been, let's be honest, france is doing the minimum. wherever there is a war on their own continent and i've talked

about and warned for quite some time i don't know the french or germans are going to be with us in a china fight. macron has clearly put that on now on display for the entire world to see and so the you state must ask ourselves who are our friends, who are our allies in the region that would be in potential fight. and those are the relationships that we need to invest in. so i don't know if macron was doing this because he is still angry when united states got the submarine deal and french didn't, alliance of the australian, united kingdom, he could be sore over that. and the biden administration, i hear it from leaders in latin america, leaders in the middle east, every time i speak at a conference, leaders from other parts of the world tell me the biden administration is ignoring them in favor of only focusing or singularly focusing on europe and what's going on with ukraine. and while that's incredibly

important, to spend all this time on europe but to lose france in a potential fight against china? what have they been doing from a diplomatic perspective. >> sandra: that was the easter bunny at the podium at the white house press briefing, that was happening as we are discussing this red threat rising and how we are responding to it. morgan, your former boss, mr. secretary mike pompeo joined us last hour. i asked him if he agrees with senator lindsey graham who said he supports u.s. troops in taiwan. his response. >> the united states is going to have to be all in to protect american interests throughout the pacific. that includes taiwan, japan, our friends and allies in australia, south korea, this is not the american tradition, let's get deterrence right and don't have to face that question. >> sandra: to be clear, that's a yes. >> we should do everything we

can. >> sandra: all in, he said. troops in taiwan. >> yeah, i was with secretary pompeo whenever we had meetings that started in the bush administration called the quad, a lot of diplomatic speak, but essentially we were focusing at the state department when i worked for him. every single day we were focused on china or iran. certainly had the whole world under our belt. there was not a day that went by we were not thinking and plotting and strategizing about how to isolate the chinese communist party and their influence from the region. this is a threat to the united states. listen, just look at what xi jinping says. we have been ignoring about 20 years until the trum administration, we had blindsers on. when vice president biden had the portfolio, building of the fake islands, security clearance information, i.p. theft was also continuing to be stolen.

and so we have seen both parties to be fair until the trump administration for about 20 years really ignored what was going on. and when xi jinping came to power he took the rhetoric and lit it on fire, sandra, and we have to take the chinese communist party at their word, when xi jinping says they are likely to invade in order to secure taiwan, that they are willing to do it militarily, when they are doing the drills and when xi jinping is meeting with putin and saying a change in the world order the world has not seen in 100 years, we need to believe him and understand how it affects every person watching the show, how it affects every day lives. >> bill: and morgan, last 20 seconds. the wall street journal had an editorial, taking a shot at macron, saying mr. macron wants the u.s. to ride to europe's rescue against russian aggression but take a vow of neutrality against chinese aggression in the pacific. that kind of goes with what you were saying about ukraine.

essentially feels like they are going to turn their backs on us when it comes to anything involving china, right? >> it's unconscionable and i think there are plenty of good leaders in europe who should stand up and say macron does not speak for the whole of europe and does not speak for them. i hope we see that in the coming days. if not, what is the biden administration spending their time in europe only to have these guys spit in our face? >> bill: former state department spokesperson morgan ortagus. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> sandra: bring this to you, just in to us, a statement from president biden on the shooting in louisville. reading some of it to you, he says we are grateful to the louisville metropolitan police department officers who quickly and courageously stepped into the line of fire to save others. he goes long to say and call for safe storage of firearms, require background checks for

all gun sales, eliminate gun manufacturer immunity from liability. we can and must do these things now, ending his statement, it's unconscionable, reckless and too many americans are paying with their lives. as we await a response through karine jean-pierre, she'll be hosting the press briefing at the white house a short time from now, the easter bunny took to the podium, and john kirby, and you can assume a lot of questions or at least some on our discussion we just had on china's growing threat. >> bill: easter bunny in the room and then the president going to ireland of all places, right? >> sandra: we are going to watch for the briefing. fox news alert, we are waiting on the briefing, will take you there when it begins. but meantime, also at the white house, president biden is making news on 2024 and the presidential election. this happened earlier today, watch. >> are you saying that you would

be taking part in our upcoming election in 2024? >> i plan on running, al, but not prepared to announce it yet. >> sandra: so that happened, still no formal announcement, though, from the president. what exactly is he waiting for? kellyanne conway is here, former counselor to president biden and fox news contributor. what is he waiting for? >> i hope he's waiting for more democrats who want him to run. he's getting a lot of backlash and pushback, a third of democrats want him to run for re-election and about that number of democrats saying he deserves re-election, a different measure. we all see joe biden's approval ratings on core issues like border security, even gun policy, immigration, the economy. he's in the high 30s, mid 30s on some of the core issues, but i think the most -- biggest indictment, the worst indictment of joe biden's presidency is

personal attribute polling numbers. according to cnn poll of all places, two-thirds of americans say joe biden lacks the stamina and the strength to be an effective president. 65% say he doesn't have a vision for the future. and he's not the unifier and the straight talker, truth teller he promised he would be. he's been anything but that. independents, have no confidence in your competence, it's troubling and i think he's waiting to get more endorsements. people run around asking senators and governors and members of congress and are you supporting, do you endorse donald trump. why are these democrats in congress and the senate all endorsing the sitting president of their party? i think they should be starting to ask that and he knows he has trouble in his own party. >> bill: biden's overall approval numbers continue to

fall. but republicans will find themselves in more political hot water when it come to the abortion issue. see some of the approval numbers here, overall, 42%, economy 37%, the rest across the board in the 30s. if republicans don't come up with a singular coherent abortion policy, they are all over the place. do you think they risk blowing the numbers, the opportunity they would have with it? >> the dobbs decision turned out to be great for unborn babies and good for some democrats at the ballot box. planned parenthood gave them close to a half billion dollars in a very short compressed time in the midterms and a lot of democrats hiding under the desks hoping the shrapnel will not hit them. they need to have a conversation about this. we should not be losing to a party that thinks it's ok to have abortions 8 or 9 month.

or ok to have abortion after non-partisan doctors and scientists say the baby can feel pain. that's a modern democratic party, i've memorized their platform, pro abortion platform, it has very little give in it to match the 71% of americans who say no abortions after the first trimester, basically the dobbs fact pattern. but you are correct. until republicans, yes, singular voice, but individually, too, have the courage to stand up and say this is what it means to be pro life, or not against anyone, young people look at many republicans denying a right they already have, and that is very bad at the ballot box, and what is good is standing up and saying i'm for life because we have babies born at 21 weeks and six days and surviving and thriving. i'm for life because i think the other side so so unreasonable now and extreme, and look, i'm pro life and i got to tell you, i have said many times that

after the dobbs decision, pro life community at large really should still good out and talk about the work of crisis pregnancy centers, creating a culture of life and making sure that people understand, friends, that you need to be pro life for the child's entire life, not just that. be for school choice, make sure they have the resources to thrive and survive in a healthy society. this should not be difficult. and i think it's being made more difficult by a bunch of people and consultants, shop worn, tired consultants, telling their candidates just ignore it, it will go away. >> sandra: if you could, stand by with us, we will dip into the white house press briefing. john kirby is getting one right now. >> pick up the phone and call president xi, we have been told the call is coming for months. why hasn't he just picked up the phone to say knock it off? >> the president looks forward to having another conversation

with president xi and we'll do it at the appropriate time and keep you apprised of that. it's important the lines of communication stay open. the tensions are certainly high right now. we would like to see this relationship get on to a better footing and when it's appropriate to talk they will happen. i want to stress, that said, that we are and have been able to maintain lines of communication between our two countries, even throughout all these tensions, and we are working to get secretary blinken back on a plane over to beijing as he was planning to do a couple months ago, and we are in talks with the prc about potential visits of secretary yellen and secretary ramondo at their invitation to talk about economic issues. >> it's not popular, would the president speak directly to president tsai. a conversation there, perhaps, what is his take on the meeting between house speaker kevin

mccarthy and president tsai? >> it's not uncommon p to come to the united states like president tsai did, or taiwan to meet with members of congress, no reason for overreaction here. >> thank you. still on taiwan, how does u.s. see the latest military exercises, and taiwan and help from the u.s. could continue to deter china from military, you know, solutions? what they have been -- the saber rattling was a lot more than sabers, and it's more than rattling. >> appear to be a reaction to something that did not need to be reacted to, in my previous answer. this is not uncommon for presidents of taiwan, and this one in particular, to transit

the united states. no reason to react in any way, militarily or otherwise. they also reacted rhetorically, but we are very comfortable and confident that we have in place in the region sufficient resources and capabilities to protect our national security interests in the indo-pacific. i would add more specifically to the second question, no reason for tensions across the taiwan strait to go into any kind of conflict. nothing has changed about the one china policy, or nothing changed about the fact we don't support taiwan independence, or see the status quo uni laterally and not by force. >> macron's visit to china, how did you react to the third super power and do you wish him luck, just rhetoric, or is it kind of annoying to u.s. administration? >> i'll let the lsa speak to

president macron's comments. we are comfortable and confident in the terrific bilateral relationship we have with france, and relationship that the president has with president macron and the fact that we are working together on so many different issues, and the french are stepping up in the indo-pacific. i mean, they are conducting naval operations, even as you and i are speaking right now in the indo-pacific, all in keeping with concerted effort by all of us, this vast network of alliances, free and open indo-pacific. >> in light of the classified documents, i wonder if you could tell us, when was the last time the protocol to grant security clearances was updated or revised in the government, and in light of the leaks, did the president believe he should take

another look at that? >> i think the department of defense has already started to take a look at distribution, for instance, being at the pentagon. i'll let them speak to that. i don't know the answer to your question on protocols for who is or who is not granted security clearances. there is already in place and remains in place a very diligent deliberative effort to manage security clearances and sometimes we get knocked because it takes a little too long for clearances to get approved because the process is so careful and deliberate. to your question, i think we just need to be careful right now, speculating or guessing what might be behind or who might be behind what looks like a potential leak here of classified information. so we are -- we need to let the process sort of bear itself out. >> are you saying there is a

question over whether this was a leak by someone who had access -- >> i'm saying we don't know. you are getting to remedies, and i understand that. we are only a couple days into this. we need to let the department of justice do their job, investigate this, see what they learn. now again, that said, the department of defense has already said that they are taking a look at distribution and looking if there's changes they need to make administratively at the pentagon says it appears that they are -- that they have the most of the documents. but before we make major muscle movements we need to know what we have here and a better sense from the justice department. >> just a couple of quick follow-ups. do you have a sense of the number of people who had access of the documents prepared for the joint staff. hundreds, thousands? >> i would refer you to the

defense department. >> given this leak and previous leaks, the americans think administration is losing the battle whoever wants to steal the secrets, foreign adversaries or hackers or -- >> i think the american people need to know and deserve to know we are taking this very, very seriously. the president -- the president has been briefed on this, the department of defense has looked into this, leading an enter agency effort to review whatever national security implications might come out of all this. and the department of justice is leading a criminal investigation. so we are taking this very, very seriously. there is no excuse for these kinds of documents to be in the public domain. they don't deserve to be in the public domain, they deserve to be protected. we are going to get to the bottom of this, and if there are actions that need to be taken as we learn more about the extent of what happened here, we'll obviously take those.

>> are there plans for president biden to speak with president zelenskyy over the leak or the white house offering assurance to ukrainian officials about the safety of some of their most sensitive information? >> u.s. officials have been in touch with relevant allies and partners over the last couple of days at very high levels, i'll leave it at that. >> can you speak to not just the potential leak but what appears to be doctoring of the information. is this something where it's possible there may have been a leak but then a different actor came in, manipulated the information and posted it online? what's the working theory in terms of the actual altering of this information? >> i don't know that we have arrived at a working theory. it does appear at least in some cases the information posted online had been altered from what we think would be the original source. but there is just no way i could tell you with any granulaity right now how it came to be.

again, we are diving into this as strenuously to try to understand that, and keeping with your point, we urge all of you to be very careful about how you report on this story since we know at least in some cases that information was doctored. >> two questions, john. first on china. you said that was a reaction that didn't need to be made, some call it an overreaction. how confident are you that there won't be further overreaction leading to actual conflict, if this reaction was an overreaction -- >> certainly don't seek any conflict and again, there's no reason, brian, to be any conflict or confrontation, since really this is all very status quo, nothing has changed, it's not about our policies or common for a president of taiwan to transit the united states. but to the exact question you asked, that's a question that

needs to be asked in beijing about what next. what we hope is next is that again tensions deescalate and that we can continue to communicate with the chinese, that we can continue to work on getting secretary blinken over there. the whole purpose of the trip was to restore some additional lines of communication that are still closed after speaker pelosi's visit. that is what secretary blinken was heading over there to do and we would like to see him get back on the plane and do that. >> the second question on the classified documents. has any of that leak led to a direct compromise of efforts to support ukraine from this administration, and secondly, those who are in that business say that the biggest problem we have is that we need software and hardware upgrades to guarantee we don't get hacked.

invest in infrastructure to block that in the future? >> the first question, no, we continue to support ukraine. i'm not going to talk about the specific documents that are out there or speak to intelligence. i think you can understand why i wouldn't do that. your question was has there been any effect on support to ukraine, the answer is no. we are going to continue to support ukraine as the president has said for as long as it takes. technological upgrades, i don't have anything to speak to today and i don't know that even if we did that we would talk about that in a public setting. but again, we are only a few days into this. we have an investigation going on at justice, we have dod looking at their processes over there, i think we need to let those two agencies do their job, do that work. >> just on the documents, is the white house concerned about the period of time that elapsed from when they gained traction? >> they shouldn't be out there, period. and trying to figure out how that happened and as a part of

that, the timeline will be looked at as well. the main concern is that they are out there, period. they don't -- they shouldn't be, shouldn't be in the public domain. >> john, has the u.s. changed its timeline for getting the necessary weapons to the ukraine military in any way? >> i'm not going to -- i wouldn't even in the wake of -- even before this story, i would not sit here and talk about specific timelines of equipment deliveries, you guys know that. i'll go back to what i said to ryan. we are going to continue to support ukraine, that has not changed, it's not gonna change. >> a second question separately on nato expansion, now that finland is officially a member of nato, what's the timetable for sweden being a part of the defense alliance? >> we would like to see sweden join the alliance as soon as possible, but that's going to be a discussion between sweden and the alliance and as you know, there is still some work being done in that regard. we are excited to have them as

new members. >> back here. good afternoon. i don't know if you are familiar with this, but making a lot of headlines, walter reed and bethesda, saying walter reed is violating the freedom of service members at the facility and because walter reed ended the contract with the archdiocese for pastoral care, archdiocese calls the move incomprehensible. are you familiar with the story? >> i'm afraid i'm not, even if i was this is a better question for the department of defense. >> john, is it true that china refused to open the channel of communications with the pentagon over the last several days? >> i can't report on that, i don't know. >> on the document, have you been contacting any of the governments mentioned in the documents to talk about it, to try to smooth things over?

>> as i said, u.s. officials have over the last couple days, certainly throughout weekend, communicated with relevant nations, relevant allies and partners as appropriate at very high levels to communicate with them about this. >> bring this up when he speaks to the british prime minister later this week? >> i won't get ahead of specific items on the agenda in that bilat, but we'll be able to communicate with you after the fact. >> thanks, john. is the president concerned about recent threats of violence in belfast and more broadly, can you walk us through the decision to visit northern ireland at a time in which their assembly is not functioning? >> so on the recent violence, over the last couple of days there have been some and the president is grateful for the work that northern ireland security forces have done and continue to do to protect all communities, and certainly the people of northern ireland and looking forward to going to belfast. the timing around this, the 25th

anniversary of the belfast good friday agreement, agreement that the president has a personal connection to and obviously is very proud to see has really changed lives and livelihoods in northern ireland. and again, that's really what is driving this. >> i just interest to try again on president macron. do you have a response to him saying that essentially europe doesn't want to be seen as following the united states' lead on china? >> i'll let president macron speak to his comments. we are comfortable in the strong alliance and friendship that exists between our two countries and the fact we have been working together on the continent and elsewhere around the world, with france, the indo-pacific, certainly on ukraine, africa, going after terrorist threats, a lot of terrific bilateral cooperation just alone between the united states and france. we are focused on that.

focused on making sure that together we are meeting the national security requirements of both our peoples. >> sandra: so we are going to continue monitoring the presser out of the white house right, john kirby is leading that, kellyanne conway, and bill melugin on set with us in new york. the military classified documents leak, he was asked a lot about that in the last few minutes, and said we are worried these documents are out there, they shouldn't be out there period, they should not be in the public domain, said john kirby when asked, are the leaks contained, we don't know. we truly don't know. what was your reaction to what we just heard out of the white house there? >> look, i worked in the white house, these briefings are difficult but there is a man long on words today and very short on information and education to the public. he seemed worried, somebody that does not have the answers we

seek and deserve. this is an administration and party going after the former president after documents he may or may not have had in mar-a-lago for this, that and the other and we have leaks of classified documents as we speak that affect countries, allies and others around the globe. i thought some of the questions from the press corps were pretty darn good and on point and did not get example. have you notified the allies mentioned, is this impeding the ability to help ukraine and impeding ukraine's ability to defend its sovereignty, its borders, its people. did not sound like they had any more information than the rest of us. key point, sandra, bill, john kirby did not say i can't comment on that right now, as former pentagon spokes people and folks at the white house need to say because it's sensitive and developing, he basically said i don't know. this is unacceptable. something like there is no room for any kind of tolerance for

the classified documents. people should be very concerned because we believe that our government and the pentagon will keep the secrets safe. there are some things we shouldn't know, but once they are out in the public domain, we all have a right to know, in fact i would say an urgent need to know how this is happening and who can stop it. today, no confidence from the white house podium for the rest of us who are worried about that. he seemed very worried. >> bill: and following up on that, what are the allies thinking. if they are willing to share secret intelligence, ukraine giving us numbers of troop deployment, weapon needs, where they have people, when they plan on doing things, what are the allies thinking if it's on twitter and online the next day? >> it's so dangerous, bill. it's true, it just sounds like there is chaos and crisis everywhere we turn, parts of the world are on fire right now, and those allies need to have faith that they are not going to be in a teenage game of telephone if they give the u.s. access to

some of their secrets. and their strategies. that has been breached here and we don't have a good answer. i want everybody to recognize what john kirby did not say when asked from the white house podium, give us faith and comfort that at least those in charge know something we don't. it sounded like he doesn't. and look, just to move on to china very quickly, he said oh, president biden looks forward to having another conversation with xi jinping. when? vladimir putin just sat down with him and we don't have a seat at that table. what would that conversation include about the uyghurs, fentanyl, the origins of the virus, stealing our technology, about trade, about everything you can imagine china basically, you know, number one global threat here in china to take over the world. so, he's not being glib and i would point out to everyone, they need john kirby at the podium, they can't stick these comments into the press secretary's binder and have any level of confidence that she could read from there and take

the questions, but he who is an expert in the areas do not provide much information today. >> sandra: kellyanne, finish off where we sort of started, ties all of this in what we are seeing on behalf of foreign policy by this administration, and to your point that reporter and to john kirby a moment ago saying we have been told this call is coming for me with president xi of china. yes know the president can pick up the phone and call any time. why hasn't he picked up the phone and call. 2024 and the field and what it could eventually grow to, i put this question to secretary pompeo last hour, listen. >> i don't view foreign policy as an opening, i view it as central to the way we live here and our kids and grandkids are going to live. try to keep politics out of it when it comes to the things that matter to our security here in america. we'll have plenty of time to

have that debate. today is the moment to make sure america gets this right. >> sandra: knowing he is out there and considering a run, wouldn't this be the moment, i asked him, for him to jump in the race? so, will he? and what does the field eventually look like, kellyanne? >> he may, and look, i think foreign policy and national security will be on voters' minds in the 2024 election, no question. particularly the presidential level. and joe biden, vice president eight years, in washington more than half a century, chairman of the foreign relations committee, people like me who did not vote for him or want him to be president would have faith maybe he would be able to work across the aisle get things done, and be respected around the globe. the opposite is happening. we are not respected, not a seat at the table. pence, former president trump,

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>> so we've heard a lot about warnings when it comes to the rise of artificial intelligence. now one warning is hitting close to home from one of our fox news contributors. jonathan turley had a wild encounter with chat gbt. he joins us now. i'll let you enplain this. parent le artificial intelligence accused of you of sexually harassing somebody.

explain what happened. >> a ucla professor contacted me that he had done research using chat gpt asking whether professors have been accused of sexual harassment. five professors came up. three stories were false including my own. what was really menacing about this incident is that the ai system made up a "washington post" story and then made up a quote from that story. and said that there was this allegation of harassment on a trip with students to alaska. that trip never occurred. i've never gone on any trip with law students of any kind. it had me teaching at the wrong school. i've never been accused of sexual harassment. so you had an ai system that made up entirely the story, but actually made up the cited article and the quote. when "the washington post" looked at it, they were

mystified and said we can't even figure out how an ai would come up with this. there's not even a story we can find that seems at all relevant or could be referenced. >> i mean, just hearing that is absolutely terrifying. so what was your reaction when you were told about this and what do people do in the future in a robot or artificial intelligence says something about them that is not true? what recourse do you have? >> well, it's ironic. i've been writing about ai. very critical of this movement. news organizations said they're going to start using articles. bill gates said that he felt the world should use a.i. to reduce politpolari politpolari politpolarization. i was fortunate to learn early

on, in most cases this will be replicated a million times over on the internet and the trail goes cold. you won't be able to figure out this originated with an a.i. system. for an academic, there could be nothing that as harmful to your career as people associate this type of allegation with you and your position. so i think this is a cautionary tale that a.i. often brings this patina of accuracy and neutrality. but like an algorithm, it's only as good as those people that program it. as for chat gpt, i even heard from that company. that story, they've been -- various news organizations reached out to them. it's dangerous. because when you're defamed like this, in an article by a reporter, you know how to reach out. you know who to contact. with ai, there's in there there. chat gpt, looks like they just

shrugged and left it at that. >> just an absolutely bizarre story there. glad you could get it cleared up and you had a heads up in time. it shows the risks moving forward. thanks, jonathan. >> thank you, bill. >> sandra: interesting stuff. chicago is a breeding ground for crime and chaos putting residences and small businesses on high alert. couple that with high taxes and major corporations like boeing and cat pillar ditching the windy city, it's delivering a blow to the economy and its image can a new mayor further to the left than lori lightfoot gets things back on track? thanks for joining us. robert, i'll start with you first. you know i know that city very well. it's hard to imagine it turning around any time soon. it has gotten that bad. is this new mayor going to bring

about necessary change? >> you know, i'm a big fan of the governor. i don't know anything about this mayor. he's more left than i would be. i'm much more of a moderate. i like mayor adams in new york city. i think you have to find the right balance between crime and education. and listen, this is not about chicago. right? chicago is in the top ten city for crime. i'll not is not a top ten state for crime. i've been listening to you. crime is everywhere. south carolina, new hampshire. it's all over the country. we have too much crime. i do think and i will agree with art, even i know he will say this, low taxes and good climate, good weather are bringing people to the southeast and southwest. i'm not surprised with an older generation, more folks are moving. >> as they leave, what hope does the city have of turning things around, art? in some cases, residents in chicago that were willing to stick around, their property

taxes have doubled, tripled, quadrupled all while dealing with more criminal in a weakening economic environment. the "wall street journal," art. mr. johnson's margin of victory was about 20,000 votes. how many do the ex-pats would have voted for moderate reform or paul valis? there-in lies the problem. left-wing policies are driving away the types of voters and businesses needed for a course correction. that can be a problem, art. >> oh, come on. you can't make people stay in a state because you want them to vote these silly lefties out? you can't. illinois has the second highest property taxes in the nation. illinois is one of only 17 states that still has a death tax. illinois has the third largest revenues from income taxes. second largest revenues from corporate taxes. if you look at illinois, they are the third largest outflow of agi in the nation. not only are the people leighing

in droves, they're taking their money with them and that increases accelerating dramatically. illinois has the largest gap between the incomes of those that move in to illinois versus the incomes of those that move out. illinois is a basket case. i taught at the university of chicago for ten years. i know chicago really well. i know the south side of chicago really well, which is where a lot of the crime occurs. it's a wonderful city a wonderful people but you can't chain people in to illinois to get them to vote this guy out. people deserve the governments they get. as long as illinois does what they're doing, they'll several the consequences. robert and i agree except for the good temperature. we can all vacation to barbados. but we don't want to live there. chicago should be a place where people live, work and produce. >> sandra: robert, 10 seconds. go. >> gen zs, ages 21 to 26 are moving to chicago, new york and la so young people are moving

there. it's a fact. look it up. >> sandra: they're not filling up office space. office vacancy in the business direct, 23%. it was 13% prepandemic. i'm going to have you both back, a good conversation. thanks to both of you. >> good to see you. >> bill melugin is awesome to have you here today. >> great to be with you. >> sandra: we'll keep watching the press briefing ands will monitoring the news conference out of louisville. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> i'm bill melugin. "the story" starts right now. >> bill and sandra, thank you. good afternoon. i'm trace gallagher in for martha maccallum. any moment now, we'll have an update from a bank shooting in louisville, kentucky. we anticipate this will begin any second, any minute. four people are dead, nine injured including two police officers. the deputy police chief has revealed the shooter who was killed had a connection to the bank, possibly a current. maybe a former employee. president biden and