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dead, a male adult. three others have been rushed to area hospitals. they have suffered serious injuries, non-life-threatening. the gunman has not been identified and is on the run. police are asking for any help in identifying the suspect. not even clear yet if that suspect was driving or if that suspect was on foot. the police did just reveal in that press conference they believe the individuals shot were targeted but they don't know why. what led them to believe that is the funeral was happening, and it was just being let out at 12:17 p.m. locally, and these individuals appeared to the police to have been targeted. that presser is happening right now, they are taking questions. let's dip in and listen here. >> people who do these types of crimes. they need to be ultimately held accountable for their actions and we need to work hard in order to get us there. it's unfortunate someone so brazen to do such an act, let alone at a funeral. i mean, how low can you be of a

human being to target other people at a funeral. my goal is to make sure we are doing everything that we can to track the person or persons responsible down and asking for the community's help in this space. >> i understand there was another shooting in southeast, can you tell us about that, are you looking at a connection? >> it does not appear to be a connection to that shooting but we are unsure. this is very early in the investigation. it's not too far away from here. we have officers there on that scene trying to get to the bottom of what happened there. right now it does not appear to be related, but again, if there's information in the community that people are willing to share with us that lets us know that it is connected or is not connected, or who the suspect is in that shooting, that would be very helpful information. >> was this family fearful of violence at this funeral? >> i don't know that they were specifically fearful of violence but obviously their loved one died as a result of gun violence, so i think it's prudent that there could be some

reasonable fear there for anyone. you don't know who killed your loved one, people have concerns about that kind of thing and again, like i said, it's not out of the ordinary. our victim services who often times work with families, families will request that, sometimes say we don't want police near the funeral, we want to be able to grieve. unfortunately in this case someone decided to disrespent this family at this level and commit this senseless act of violence. >> was your officer here at the request of the family? >> yes, so there was a request by the family through our victim services branch for an additional, for additional police presence at the funeral. the funeral was over at this point, it ended around 12, so this is about 17, 18 minutes after the funeral was over when the shooting occurred. >> your question? >> i can't tell you the type of weapon used. >> do you know how many shots were fired? >> i don't know how many shots.

last question? thank you very much. >> sandra: all right, so the police there revealing and reiterating they believe it was a targeted attack and revealing a few more details about the funeral that had just been let out which these four people were shot, one of them killed, the loved one that they were there honoring at the funeral home was one that died from gun violence. and they were fearful to the point that something could happen that they asked for additional police presence there. but still a gunman was able to carry this out on the street there, vague details still about where exactly this happened around that funeral home, but the suspect is on the run and has not been identified by police. so they are asking the community and any witnesses for help in identifying who this was and why they did it. >> bill: interesting police pointing out the family did

request additional police presence at the funeral. they said the funeral ended about noon, 12:00 and the shooting happened after the funeral, about 12:17. police saying that whoever carried out this shooting very obviously disrespected the family as you just mentioned, they were burying a loved one who just died to gun violence, so you have a funeral for somebody shot and killed, at that funeral where more police had been requested, four people shot, one person dead so far. several others hospitalized with gunshot wounds, we are told they are not life-threatening. there was an initial report about a green vehicle seen leaving the scene. d.c. police were asked, was this a drive-by shooting, they don't know. they are asking for information, witnesses who might have seen something. obviously as a funeral you'll have dozens of people there gathered in one single place so it's likely people saw something, that's how they had

the initial suspect vehicle, but the family had concerns going into the funeral if they wanted additional officers there. >> sandra: we will continue to monitor and bring updates as we get them as police hunt for the suspect in the killing and those who have been injured have been rushed to the hospital. we'll continue to monitor that situation. meanwhile, fox news alert, national secrets so sensitive the u.s. would not even tell our close allies overseas. but instead of requiring background checks and clearances for access, all you need is a quick google search. >> bill: the breach is being called bigger than the leaks from edward snowden, yet the government is still scrambling. trying to find the person responsible even as we learn the clues investigators are hoping can lead them to the leaker. >> sandra: pictures of the dozens of classified documents show they were printed on paper, not electronic, helping rule out those who only read classified briefings on ipads. and the feds admit they cannot say for sure exactly what other

leaked intelligence might be floating around for anyone to read, saying it is not necessarily contained yet. the papers have a crease from a fold, leading some to think they were smuggled out of a secure room in the suspect's pocket. and in the background of the pictures, a magazine that has rifle scopes on the cover, potentially a crucial clue who their suspect could be. also big questions about where the leak appeared and what it might tell investigators about the suspect. and maybe even a motive. >> bill: and hardly the pentagon paper leaked scandal from 50 years ago, whoever is leaking these papers decided instead to post those photos on discore, a platform used by the gaming community, the younger generation, and new at 2:00, jennifer griffin with new details from her sources at the pentagon and the intel community and what all the evidence is telling them about the possible culprit.

>> sandra: and bring in bret baier for the big picture of the breach, and how an act as seemingly simple posting a picture to facebook could have the u.s. government scrambling for answers and information all over the world. ukraine, south korea, and israel. >> bill: and general keith kellogg joined us last hour. >> not only does it hurt our ability to work with our allies, how can i even trust you, but the treasure trove of information is enormous. >> bill: jen, you told us last hour about the importance of the documents printed on paper. what exactly ares investigators able to glean like the magazine we are looking at. >> it's interesting, bill. "new york times" was the first to report this last thursday, the photos that we see online,

you see both folded paper, suggesting it was a human being who folded the document, put it in a paper and then uploaded it, took a photo of it, photographed on a bed, behind it you see evidence of gorilla glue, not clear what that would indicate other than it's in a bedroom and also a magazine that shows some rifle scopes on the cover. so all of that is going to be evidence for the justice department and the intel community as they try and trace back the origin of these documents. but what we have also learned, bill, is that these documents came from multiple agencies. original we were reporting on these daily briefings created here at the pentagon about the war in ukraine, those documents are often presented on ipads, they are read here, but they also are distributed electronically to between 1,005,000 official the. what we are learning now, there

is really very highly classified intelligence, some more embarrassing leaks come from other agencies. so it's causing investigators to start to think and look outside of the pentagon because the leak may in fact have come from outside. >> bill: and what are you hearing from your pentagon contacts about the fact the leak appeared on discord, a gaming platform used by younger demographic. >> it's interesting. i'm not hearing anything directly but i know from past cases involving -- some of these chat websites that gamers frequent like discord, that sometimes it is actually classified to win an argument on those platforms. it's not clear that's what was happening here. there is a lot of speculation,

but what is clear, it looks like there is a human source to this posting and that the investigators may be able to find that source pretty quickly because they are going to be a lot of electronic clues in what they posted. >> bill: and we know you will keep shaking the tree with your sources over at the pentagon. jennifer griffin, thank you. >> sandra: bret baier, welcome to you. good to have you here this afternoon. here is the latest that we heard from john kirby on not knowing exactly what else is out there. >> we don't know what's out there, james, we don't know who is responsible for this. and we don't know if they have more that they intend to post. so we are watching this and monitoring it as best we can. but the truth and the honest answer to the question, we don't know, and is that a matter of concern to us, you are darn right it is. >> sandra: there's a lot we

don't know, right, at this point, bret? >> yeah, there is, jen does a great job, i had that job six years, there's a lot of concern about this, sandra, a lot. even more potentially than the edward snowden leak years and years ago. they think this is not the end of this, and that may many more documents like this could come out. now, why is that troubling? it's troubling on a number of fronts. one is that it shakes the allies' confidence in anything that they communicate with the u.s. or also that the u.s. is listening in or somehow spying on allies in some of these documents. and also the assessment about ukraine is troubling and may give really valuable intelligence to vladimir putin and russia and may embolden him as ukraine gets ready for a spring offensive that's largely

been planned for weeks and weeks, maybe it's not as robust as many believe it could have been. >> sandra: here is mike rogers on the leak are having more information and what he details is the most disturbing part of this moment. >> the scary part. that leaker has more information, it's on an electronic medium today and that person is also likely sitting on a bunch more than just this. this is just the piece that you caught. this person is isn't new to this. these messages sounds like to me have been going back a while. u.s. intelligence just did not catch it until very recently. >> sandra: and that is scary, bret. going back to kirby's initial point, we don't know what else is out there. what do you expect next will happen? >> the justice department and the pentagon have launched criminal investigations and i think a red alert sense of trying to figure out who this is and how to stop it. the stop it parting is the most

troubling because as former congressman rogers said it's probably out of the barn, the intel is likely going to be posted if not already someplace. so far 53 document but don't know what the total number is. and i guess what we really are concerned about is the realtime info that may affect relationships around the world. and we may be learning more that we are not supposed to be learning that's classified intel about those relationships. >> sandra: obviously the concerns and the message this sends to our adversaries, right. but to your point about our allies, that is what general kellogg was talking about earlier and what effect on the allies all over the world. >> any time a leak or breach happens like this it shakes confidence and in this time, when it's so tense and so many parts of the world, it's not the best time for something like this. >> sandra: an incredibly urgent matter.

we will continue to cover it, jennifer griffin, awesome on that at the pentagon. see you tonight at 6:00 p.m. >> bill: the state department has officially reported evan gershkovich as wrongfully detained by russia, and new at 2:00, the white house says president biden did speak with gershkovich's family while he's on his trip to ireland, that kicked off today. senior national correspondent rich edson has more from the washington, d.c. newsroom. how does this try and get evan back? >> the united states now officially views evan gershkovich as a hostage, that the russian government fabricated the espionage charges. they elevate it to the state department envoy for hostage affairs, it has the authority to coordinate the response across the u.s. government.

speaking a few hours ago on his way to belfast, he stressed his administration is working to free evan. >> we are making it real clear, it's totally illegal what's happening and declare it so, changes the dynamic. >> the special envoy could consider a prisoner exchange, could be the motive in many cases, taken american hostage on false charges to free a russian from a u.s. prison. although white house officials refuse to discuss that strategy at all. they say journalism is not a crime. we condemn the kremlin continued oppression of voices in russia. we call for the russian federation to immediately release mr. gershkovich, and release paul whalen, he and his brother david says paul has been a hostage of the kremlin more than 1500 days and worries about

getting left behind again. the state has recently negotiated with russia prisoner swaps to feed trevor reed and wnba star britteny griner. >> also important to point out, they credentialed him as a reporter in the country. obviously know how stressful it is for his family. >> sandra: move is now raising concerns about a handful of measures enacted under its tenure, from the student loan handout to the title 42 at the border. >> bill: and the biden administration says nothing to worry about when it comes to the border. >> let me be clear. title 42 or not, the border is not open. >> bill: folks who have seen the crisis firsthand are bracing for

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>> sandra: chaos at the border continues, it could be getting a whole lot worse with the covid era policy title 42 set to expire one month from today, all this as we are getting a new look at new video of more than 300 migrants swarming a bridge near el paso, forcing it to temporarily close. brandon judd is standing by. but first, matt finn spoke with a property owner fed up about the biden administration lack of assistance when it comes to border security. he's live in eagle pass, texas

with that for us. hi, matt. >> hi, sandra. well, for well over a year now ranchers and property owners along the southern border have told us they are bearing a disproportionate burden of the immigration crisis and we talked to the owner of a pecan orchard along the rio grande river and she and her husband tell us they have seen migrants drown in the river, sometimes bodies float up to the banks on their property, and it's deceptively high and deadly for migrants trying to cross. >> i don't think they realize, oh, it's higher than usual. they probably don't know how to swim. they just want to get to the united states, they don't want to be in mexico anymore. they don't want to be in mexico because they say they are being kidnapped, taking money from them, a couple weeks ago ran into two families that say the wife had been raped, and they

were all crying. >> and sandra, this is not relatively new but you can walk along the banks of the river here and find all the scattered identification cards. we just found this one of a very young child from mexico, and we are told that migrants toss their i.d.s so that they can misrepresent their country of origin and their immigration status, sandra. >> sandra: got it. matt, isn'ting b-- and bill, yo are extremely familiar with this. brandon, normally i see you on the bank of the river. title 42, set to go away one month from today. we'll talk about the numbers, it's been in place under the trump administration and the biden administration more than 2.5 million title 42 expulsions since march of 2020 when the pandemic first hit.

again, supposed to drop a month from today, a couple delays, the administration has had all sorts of time to prepare for this. what do you think is going to happen on may 11? >> you first have to consider the only deterrent is title 42. the total number of people crossing illegally and released in to you -- to the united states, millions of people. we expell 40% of the people that cross illegally. once title 42 goes away, it's not just that. it's going to be the draw factor. now people know that they are not going to be expelled under title 42, so even more people are going to come. so, whereas we have released close to 4 million people into the united states since biden has been in office, we can expect that number to double within the next two years. that is a scary -- when you look at everything that we have to deal with, it's very scary to

consider that we are going to deal with even more illegal border crossing when we have to try to also deal with the drugs that cross the border as well. it's crazy to see what's going on and crazy that this administration hasn't put anything into place to help us get this under control. >> bill: and set to drop in the middle of springtime, traditionally the busy time at the southern border. i want to talk about human smuggling, pull up the photo posted yesterday, they caught yet another u.s. citizen who had 13 illegal immigrants in his car, agents also found meth and fentanyl and cash in the vehicle. brandon, we see this every single day, sometimes multiple times a day. what is with all those u.s. citizens sucked into the human smuggling. how is this happening? >> this shows how effective the trans national criminal organizations are. they are not just operating in mexico or the united states, they are operating and the world. they are able to advertise

services, convince people to enter into the trade. what they are looking at, constantly looking at what is the risk reward. crime always takes the path of least resistance and a lot of reward with very little risk, people are going to enter into that. when you look at the u.s. attorney's office and how few prosecutions they have, if they get into the business there is not a lot of risk to them even if they are arrested for smuggling the individuals or drugs, and that's again one of those magnets that continues to draw people to enter into this business which makes this business even more booming and it puts united states citizens in harm's way. >> bill: and we will continue to keep an eye out for may 11 when title 42 is expected to drop. fox will be down there as we have been the last couple of years. and all of this happening as dhs secretary mayorkas refuses to call it a crisis. he calls it a challenge. >> sandra: what you see in some

weeks of your reporting every day. a lot of fear it's going to get worse. meanwhile, the democratic party has chosen chicago to host its convention in 2024. but the windy city has recently played host to a lot of crime, carjackings, murder, and businesses and people have been fleeing chicago. now word of another major company closing more stores there, and it is a big box store. >> bill: certainly is. new reporting raising questions about the gain of function research happening really all around the world. the same type of research said to have played a role in the origins of covid-19, and much coming at the direction and funding of the u.s. government. why is the u.s. spending millions on this risky research? dr. marty makary.

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the most famous in 1968 at the height of the vietnam war protest movement. hundreds of protestors were arrested in the streets there with officers also clashing with delegates and even reporters on the convention floor. so, quite remarkable, announced earlier today. we knew it was in the running but if you think about a city where they want to tout their policy success, there's a lot of policy failures happening in that city, a city i know very well, born and raised in. it's got a lot of problems right now, a lot of problems, in fact, we just got word our fox business network is reporting that walmart announced they have to close four chicago stores now blaming millions in annual losses. they can't make any money, a lot of the stores are having problems with theft and supplying staff, it's huge problems. >> bill: exact same thing in california, san francisco, the whole foods closing down and they elected a new mayor in chicago who some say is further left than lori lightfoot.

see what happens with the crime out there. >> sandra: interesting choice. united center, a lot of hotels why they chose it, among other reasons, but interesting choice. >> bill: keep an eye on that. president biden checking off one last agenda item before jetting off to ireland. he has officially ended the covid-19 national emergency declaration after it had a three-year run, starting in 2020. it's something he signed when there were no cameras around after democrats in congress opposed declaring the covid emergency over. peter doocy is travelling with the president for the ireland trip as he often does. he is live across the atlantic. peter, how is it going? >> and bill, here in northern ireland, united kingdom, the covid emergency has been over more than a year, but back home is brand-new, and ending the emergency also takes away the number one reason white house officials told us they were able to cancel or forgive student

debt. >> this is an authority that is conditional on an emergency as i said, and the president believes that this relief is warranted in this instance coming out of the pandemic and as we transition back into repayment, it's not the kind of authority you can use over and over again. >> and it's been so confusing, for the student loans, the white house has argued there is a covid emergency. but for title 42 they have argued covid is over, so title 42 should be over. >> does it impact the may 11th deadline for title 42 or anything like that? >> no, it doesn't, it doesn't at all. and as you know, the department of homeland security announced in january how they were going to move forward on title 42, so that has not changed at all. >> and the president is leaving all that behind for a trip that does not clearly address issues with china or russia but rather reflects on a quarter century of peace in belfast.

president biden is travelling with his sister and his son hunter. no first lady jill biden on this trip, and we are told white house officials think that this trip to ireland and northern ireland can effectively advance america's interests even though it seems like the headline is going to be a look back at president biden's lineage here. bill. >> bill: peter doocy following the president as he always does. thank you. >> sandra: brand-new report detailing the gain of function research happening around the globe, much coming from u.s. direction and funding. the main goal to identify unknown viruses that may threaten humans down the road, some admit there are major risks over how it is being carried out. let's bring in dr. marty makary. welcome to you. our audience knows you so well, you joined us through the

pandemic, weighed in on the angles but the gain of function research, you are very familiar with it. what is the risk to it or from it? >> sandra, most likely the covid pandemic worldwide was entirely avoidable. gain of function research is risky business and turns out the wuhan lab was not the only place we are funding. this new information out this week shows that the department of defense and other agencies in the government have been funding researchers all over to go out there and hunt for exotic viruses. now remember, there's a million viruses in the world. 99% of them will never infect human beings because they are not interfacing with human beings, not around human beings. the u.s. government funded researchers in thailand and southeast asia to go out to rain forests and into bat caves and capture animals and bring viruses into highly populated

cities of 8 to 10 million people, probably the story with wuhan. but in thailand, they said they don't want the money because it's such risky business. >> wow, dr. makary, you say probably. we can put up on the screen the u.s. agencies so far where they are with their assessment on the lab leak theory. and it's hard for me, perhaps others, to believe that if you are basing your conclusion on facts, and the facts are out there, how there can be such differing takes that they don't know yet some of the agencies claim, some say they know it was a lab leak, some still claiming it came from nature, how can there be such differing conclusions when facts are involved? >> because it's political. the lab leak is a no brainer. this virus came from the lab. what are the odds that one of the labs manipulating coronaviruses and a lab that

applied for funding to humanize bat coronaviruses, five miles from the world's epicenter and researchers in the emergency call with fauci told him, for top people told them it came from the lab. the only reason it's a controversy, it's embarrassing dr. fauci and dr. collins were funding the lab. >> sandra: and dr. fauci is still defending the u.s. funding of research overseas. >> i've been completely totally 100% honest about everything. there was a subaward grant of 125 to $130,000 a year from the nih to do surveillance studies in humans and in bats in china. it would be impossible for those

viruses to turn into sars-cov-two even if someone tried to do it. >> sandra: and he's got a history of defending gain of function research. go back to 2021 and his defense of it, almost a dereliction of our duty if we didn't study this, and you have to go where the action is, so a modest collaboration with respectable chinese scientists. dr. redfield says there is reason for societal debate on the gain of function research. >> we don't need to make pathogens more transmissible or more patho genic to get ahead of the curve. we can deal with them as they' involve. i don't think it should be a decision made by scientists alone this. is a societal decision. there should be a broad debate whether this research is really necessary. >> sandra: you agree with that,

dr. makary? >> i agree with dr. redfield. 6, 7 years ago people approached president obama and said we need a ban, he created a moratorium against the wishes of fauci and collins. they worked behind the scenes to change the definition to bypass a committee that was supposed to screen applications to see whether or not they included gain of function. dr. fauci made a 3:00 a.m. email to the head overseeing that committee and so back when we were wondering whether or not covid is going to be a real thing and it's going t come to the u.s., dr. fauci was leading an elaborate cover-up of the idea of a lab leak at that time. >> sandra: he clearly defends his actions and says he has been honest with the american public throughout this, and he said that many times. we will continue to dig in and cover it. dr. makary, thank you for joining us.

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>> sandra: the former san francisco fire commissioner who was beaten by a homeless man with a metal pipe releasing surveillance video of that attack, and we have to warn you, it is very graphic. it happened outside of his mother's home in san francisco and sent him to the hospital with serious injuries. he says he's releasing the video to raise awareness about the crime and chaos in that city. senior correspondent is live across the bay in sausalito. this happened a day after bob lee was fatally stabbed. >> that's right, less than 24 hours later, and this one happened in a part of san francisco considered relatively

safe. this video is hard to watch. it shows a man identified as 24-year-old garrett dotey swinging a metal pipe at the 53-year-old, he says his assailant was among a group of homeless man in the upscale marina district not far from the golden gate bridge. he wanted to draw attention to the deteriorating public safety. dotey's public defender thinks it was a case of self-defense. >> my understanding, this might be wrong, but my understanding at this preliminary point is that mr. carmignoni came upon my client and threatened him and then pepper sprayed him. >> the video shows he was using both of his hands to protect his head before hurrying away with

blood streaming down his face. a fractured skull, broken jaw, and needed 51 stitches. they say it shines a light on the violence of homeless people. >> the city is not dealing with it, the insane asylum is our neighborhood, and that's san francisco. >> dotey was arrested and faces multiple charges, including assault with a deadly weapon. he faces seven years in prison if convicted. that attack happened the day after prominent tech executive bob lee was fatally stabbed not far from there. and one week later, still no arrests or suspects identified in that case. these violent attacks have residents on edge and calling on city leaders to do more to improve public safety on the streets of san francisco. sandra. >> sandra: thank you very much. bill. >> bill: sheriffs across the country are sounding the alarm, saying that felons are

recruiting minors to commit crimes on their behalf. the reason, convince are taking advantage of lax sentences for juvenile offenders, puts them back on the streets. >> juvenile almost has to kill somebody to be placed in custody and remain in custody, otherwise it's a revolving door. they are in one door and out the other, and that emboldens them. >> bill: raphael mangual, author of "criminal injustice," thank you for your time today. i live in l.a., i see it a lot out there, soros' backed george gascon with a policy on juvies, he would not transfer them to adult court no matter how heinous. how do you find the accountability for the juveniles and showing restraint in terms of not wanting to ruin a kids'

life? >> the best approach is striking the balance, recognizing you are not doing the juveniles particular favors by releasing them on the street. manhattan institute where he work recently released a study on the raise the age law here in new york state and many across the country have adopted similar regimes or policies such as gascons that limit the punishments you hand down to juveniles. it puts them on the streets saying it's ok to commit crime and ruining their lives when they kill somebody or they themselves are a victim, and one of the things the manhattan study showed, a near tripling for youths taking advantage of this kind of raise the age regime, and so it's not at all surprising that you have these older gang members recruiting younger juveniles. and a case back in the news from

2021, the shooting of adam toledo in chicago, illinois. now that officer, you know, apparently have been -- his dismissal has been recommended, which is why the case is back in the news. one of the things no one ever talked about, two people in the alley he was chase to, one was a 21-year-old gang member. we should not think we are doing the kids favors. the right way to strike the balance, understand we need to take them off the street for their own good and the good of the community, it does not mean they need to go to prison with adults. we can develop and build out juvenile facilities that will cater to their special needs, i think is important. don't have to be punitive but cannot just turn them back out on to the street. >> bill: and the arrest rates have fallen off the cliff, pull up the doj numbers here. 1996, about 8400 arrests per 100,000 juveniles. 2006, 6,000 arrests. started going down.

2020, it fell all the way down to 1200 arrests per 100,000 juveniles. what do those numbers say to you? >> well, i think you would see the same trends looking at arrests generally, right. i think the juvenile problem is part and parcel of the broader problem with the criminal justice system and policing policies, raising the transaction costs of enforcing the law. couple that with the police recruitment and retention crisis so many jurisdictions across the country are facing. it's not at all surprising we are seeing a sharp reduction in arrests, particularly when you send the message chicago just sent to its police department. we have a police officer who responds to a shooting report, chases an armed gunman down a dark alley, ends up having to shoot him in self-defense and rather than noting his heroism, he's now being recommended for termination so you are going to discourage exactly the kind of proactive policing that keeps

communities safe and that keeps these very offenders safe. >> bill: last 30 seconds here, i talk to a lot of cops and prosecutors in l.a. who tell me they frequently see gang members in particular getting juveniles involved in their crimes, they know no matter what they do, it's a cite and release or not state prison. a revolving door. final thoughts how you break the cycle. >> i think the way you break the cycle is take the option off the table and recognize that criminals are very rational actors, and so when you make it easy for them to do something, they are going to take the easy way out, and putting the lives of juveniles at risk. >> bill: until something changes, we will see headlines like we saw on the screen. thank you for your time today. >> sandra: fox news an alert and breaking news out of louisville, police will release the bodycam footage of the deadly shooting response at 5:00 p.m. eastern

time today, in addition to some 9 911 phone calls, and another news conference. 5:00 eastern time. we will keep our eyes on the release. >> bill: alvin bragg is suing jim jordan citing interference in a case. he had subpoenaed, and stop jordan from enforcing the subpoena. trump faces 34 felony charges for alleged hush money payments during his 2016 campaign. we'll keep an eye on that. >> sandra: a big sigh of relief for barry bonds and roger clemens, a new claim, gas guzzling cars and stoves and everything they blame for climate change. >> bill: new study found the changes temperatures are what's

prompting a surge of home runs, warmer air, less dense with more space between molecules, which causes balls to go farther after they are hit by a bat. attributes the warmer climate to at least 500 home runs since 2010, so sandra, it was not all the time the players put in the weight room, it's climate change, apparently. >> sandra: apparently. weather has an impact, aside from anything climate change-related. weather has to have an impact on the way the balls fly. >> bill: golfing, too. >> sandra: everything. go cubs, i think they play seattle tonight. what's your team? >> used the angels, and now it's the angels of anaheim. still sour about. >> sandra: and brand-new inflation numbers come out, anticipation what the fed next move will be and uncertainty eliminated on that seems to be a boost for markets.

so bill, you probably watch these, too. the markets have been resilient to what has been bad stuff. >> bill: negative headlines, crazy stuff, we like to see green. >> sandra: we'll have you back here tomorrow again. thanks to everybody for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> bill: i'm bill >> thanks. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. breaking moments ago, manhattan d.a. alvin bragg who indicted the former president has taken an extraordinary step. he's suing judiciary committee chairman jim jordan for what bragg is calling an unconstitutional attack on his case against former president donald trump. we'll have more in a moment on this breaking news with senator john kennedy