row, hopefully more. >> gerry, i'm sure these women will be on your show one day, too. >> and like dagen, i did not play the game but boy, do i admire them. amazing, what athletes. >> i played four years of varsity soccer in high school, and do the splits on the field all the time, dive for the ball, was quite athletic. thanks to everyone, go u.s.a., and now here is "america reports." >> sandra: thank you, ladies. house republicans are did hend making answers over the pentagon why it blocked a community of catholic priests from providing care to wounded soldiers after nearly two decades. >> bill: they say the move which happened just days before holy week is more evidence of an all-out assault on religious freedom in america by the biden administration. fox news sunday anchor shannon bream is here to talk about what critics say is a regulatory war

on religion. that is coming up. >> sandra: begin with the suspected pentagon leaker appearing in federal court after being criminally charged in one of the largest intelligence leaks in american history. hello and welcome on this friday afternoon. sandra smith in new york. and bill, here we go into the last day of the week. >> bill: great to be with you, bill melugin in for john roberts. national guardsman jack teixeira is detained in federal custody until next week, 30 miles from his house in massachusetts, heavily armed fbi agents arrested him yesterday and found several weapons in his possession. >> sandra: teixeira was charged with two counts of removing and spreading classified information as prosecutors say he began sharing top secret information with a group of online gamers all the way back to december. >> bill: temporarily reassured officials the leak is plugged,

they face growing criticism why a 21-year-old held a top security clearance with the i.t. role with the air national guard. >> sandra: darryl issa is standing by. >> bill: alexis, it sounds like teixeira might have believed in recent days the government was on to him. is that right? >> bill, yeah, that's exactly what it seems like, newly released court documents, it says jack teixeira was worried the federal investigators could be on to him, so much so he had been using a security clearance and work computer to search in the databases to figure out if they knew about the leak. take a look here as well. this some of the new information that is just coming into the newsroom. this is newly released affidavit. in the section here bill, it says teixeira did not just look at the top secret images at work but brought them home to his house in boston saying he was concerned so much he may be discovered making the

transcriptions, he took them to his residence and photographing them. a look at the suspect in court, new sketches coming in. you can see him wearing a jump suit as he stood in front of the judge listening to the federal charges against him here. the investigation is far from over. >> department of defense is leading an important effort now to evaluate and review the national security implications and most important to conduct review of the methods of access accountability and control procedures the department has so something like this can never happen again. >> so just yesterday federal agents raiding the house of jack teixeira in boston. the fbi arrested the massachusetts air national guardsman at his mom's house. he is wearing red shorts and a green t-shirt slowly walking down the driveway as agents had their weapons drawn on him. the 21-year-old with the high school diploma had top secret

documents that detailed maps of ukraine and assessments of russia's arm on the ground. potentially damaging u.s. relations with allies and compromising intelligence. the hearing has wrapped up as the 21-year-old walked out of the courtroom, his dad told him he loved him, he said that back, and now in federal custody will remain until next week. >> incredibly stressful situation for the entire family finding out what happened to him. >> sandra: darryl issa serves on the house judiciary and foreign affairs committees. welcome to you sir, it's hard to believe this moment and the president downplaying overseas. his own words and reaction. >> well, i'm not concerned about the leak because -- i'm concerned that it happened, but there's nothing of great

consequence. >> sandra: first nothing to see here, right, congressman, and now it's a new statement. and this was released literally 3 or 4 minutes ago, put it up for the viewers from the president on the arrest and the national security leak case. the president's team writes i commend the rapid action taken by law enforcement to investigate and respond to the recent dissemination of classified u.s. government documents, ok. rapid action. while we are still determining the validity of the documents, i have directed to take steps to further secure and limit distribution of sensitive information. and our national security team is closely coordinating with our partners and allies. rapid action? congressman? i mean, the pentagon did not even put a stop to this or even alert the public to this for 6 to 8 months after it happened. >> exactly, and you know, one of the challenges is that there is a concept in classified information called need to know, and they have not demonstrated

why this individual had access to something he didn't have a need to know. but there's a bigger problem here the administration is ignoring and that's the difference, the delta between the public statement that in applies we are giving the support necessary to the ukrainians and the real facts on the ground i saw in munich and in ukraine less than two months ago when i was there and we were seeing the fact that this is not a war that we will win, necessarily, unless we basically step up the pace. it's also a war of attrition that is costing ukrainians a great deal of their relatively small population. this leak, unfortunately, does show some of that. it shows the fact that the russians are getting better, that the impact is greater, and that the united states is running out of time if they are going to stop russia's aggression and that is a stated purpose of the administration, so i think -- i'm not giving this guy any credit, he needs to

go to jail for a long time, and we need to plug the leaks that allow someone who didn't have a valid need to know all of this information to have unfetterred access. >> we had the pentagon news conference live during the hours yesterday and almost like well, we have rules and protocols in place and this guy cheated. well, he was able to cheat the system, and that needs to be addressed and the american people see this happening and the message it could be sending around the world. are we taking this seriously enough, congressman? i'm going back to the president's statement released a few moments ago. i have directed our military and intelligence community to take steps to further secure and limit distribution of sensitive information. do you see that as an admission that our top secrets were freely flowing to people like teixeira, 21 years old, our nations on the nation's top secrets and able to share them online? >> he was able to share online

and walk out with them. a double situation. he should not -- the secured facilities should not assume that everyone that's trusted to go in is trusted to walk out with a briefcase not being looked at. so a number of problems. biggest challenge is systematic for the department of defense. you need to have software that is artificial intelligence, if you will, constantly looking, asking the question, is there a need to know, why is this portal taking this information, and alerting people. even if somebody has the right to know and even if they have a potential need to know, if they are taking too much documentation for what their job is, it should put up a red flag, and let's face it, it is six months of this young individual doing this, the system obviously failed at several levels. >> sandra: i won't even ask you about accountability, i think people have their hands in the air saying who is held accountable, when are they held

accountable. what damage do you believe has been done with this. >> russians are aware they are less behind and are catching up and the united states and poland and germany close up and very concerned, if we don't up the pace to give the ukrainians the ability to defend themselves, we will find ourselves mired in a multi-year war of attrition, one that the small nation of ukraine cannot win simply from a population standpoint. >> sandra: that is a very big statement, sir, and big warning to this ever happening again and what the country will do to stop that from happening. congressman issa, appreciate you joining us. bill, america's watching, the world is watching and how we are responding, and how we address

this in preventing this to happen again. >> bill: depending when teixeira got his security clearance, he may not have been able to buy a beer but has access to top secret information. see how it plays out. other news, the annual nra convention kicks off in indiana, on the heels of two recent mass shootings, all the 2024 gop candidates are planning to speak at the forum. those in attendance will hear from big names who have not yet announced a presidential bid. ari fleischer will talk with us about the expanding republican field, and garrett in indianapolis, the nra endorsed president trump but so far they have a full house of potential candidates here, right? >> they really do. nearly all the major potential candidates are slated to speak in some form. this event will be the first

time that former president donald trump and mike pence will both be speaking at in person since they left office. and we are expecting to hear from asa hutchinson, christie noem, and video messages, the nra conference comes days after a mass shooting down the road in louisville, kentucky and a few weeks after the school shooting in nashville, both renewed the debate over gun control. folks we spoke to here, though, say even after the latest shootings they don't think there needs to be changes to the law or new laws surrounding guns. >> i don't think we change it with laws, i think we need to be more careful, we got to address the mental health issues in this country. >> if they are mentally ill they should not be able to get a gun and that's the case anybody kills people they are mentally

ill. >> we need to do something with the people, we need to punish them, hold them accountable for what they commit, quit blaming the guns. >> the fact so many gop hopefuls are here shows how important this block of voters are in the primary race. but in the general election, gun control is a more tricky issue. the latest fox news poll, 69% of registered voters said they are concerned about gun laws. a fine line some of the candidates will need to walk as they look ahead beyond the primary and towards the general election. >> garrett, be interesting to see how big the gop field gets in the coming months. live in indianapolis for us. sandra. >> sandra: a story we have been closely watching, the man accused of stabbing cash app founder bob lee to death will appear in court today. the crime does not appear to be random. what we are now learning and how investigators will determine a

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>> sandra: customs and border protection is shifting resources to keep up with the surge of migrants arriving at the southern border. near el paso, commercial

operations at the bridge of the americas cargo lot will be suspended until further notice starting today. the move will free up personnel to help process migrants flooding ports of entry. the majority for exceptions on a cbp app were approved. lawmakers have slammed the app but the biden administration says it promotes a safe, orderly and humane process at the border. and you have a lot to say about that, i'm sure. that's not exactly what's happening. >> bill: no, a lot of people don't understand. cbp one app was not designed to stop people from coming into the country, but change the way they are coming not country. they don't want the masses to cross daylight, instead, set up an appointment, show up at a port of entry, and get released in the country, administration

says we are allowing you to be here a couple years. >> and dig in with you about where you are going to go next and how you are preparing for the lifting of title 42. and what it means. an a lot coming up. more on that shortly. >> bill: the murder suspect accused of killing cash app bob lee will remain custody. nima momeni, alleging a knife was used. sources say he was giving leah ride back to his hotel before the attack. san francisco's d.a. is expected to request no bail in this case. so for more on this, bring in trial attorney mercedes colwin. thank you for joining us this afternoon. when the story first broke it looked like it was another random crime story, a random attack in the middle of the night in san francisco. now finding out from police, not only did the guys know each

other, they were apparently riding back in a car together. your thoughts on these developments. >> well, exactly right, and you are exactly right. when you first heard it, you thought at the moment it's a random act of violence, and certainly it's not. one of the first clues it was not a random act of violence is the method of the killing. it was knife wounds that led to bob lee's death, and immediately law enforcement starts to look at, if a knife is used as opposed to other weapons, they say it might be a crime of passion, not necessarily a random act. the first clue. and the second clue, we know bob lee had consciousness at some point prior to his death and he was taken to the hospital, he tried to flag cars along the way, so he may be able to actually identify momeni that he was the assailant. he's still an alleged killer. don't know if he will plead or get convicted.

at this point it's just allegations. but you can see compelling evidence that they know enough that momeni drove, immediately in the car prior to the stabbing. so, all these pieces may lead to bob lee may have disclosed it at the time that he was still conscious, it's the middle of the night, not a lot of individuals around at that time, law enforcement will seize upon who was in the area, we know that there are cameras along the streets. they'll seize those films to see who was in the area, locate the cars in the area, and even just cell phone pinging. so, all of that digital data and any of the evidence that actually came from bob lee during the time he was still conscious will lead to compelling evidence against mr. momeni. >> and mercedes, you mentioned some video footage. you mentioned he was still alive for a short time after that attack. it's kind of hard to watch, he was stumbling around looking for help, cars were passing by, people on the streets, he was

desperate for anybody to help him and unfortunately it looked like nobody did, and those were a precious couple of minutes when somebody could have helped, right? >> i mean, it is, and it is so painful to watch, and certainly you can understand why people may not want to be able to stop at that time, even if they had the opportunity to do so. because it is the middle of the night, obviously it's clear that he was wounded, so that's one of the reasons, i'm sure, that people were a little reluctant to stop. at a minimum, call the authorities, seems they did, he was whisked to the hospital, but too late to save. >> what's your opinion how investigators will go with the first step of finding a motive here? >> well, it's really interesting you say that. because of the methodology of the killing, you already know that there is some personal animous between these two.

it's not a robbery, the ride is not random, so you look at the relationship from the two individuals before the killing, what communications were taken, they were seize the cell phone and digital communication between the two. a mountain of evidence against mr. momeni, especially if there is a preexisting relationship between the two. it will certainly come across very clear they had this history together and certainly look at all of that digital data to get to the conviction. >> bill: and we'll wait for a lot more of those details to come out. mercedes colwin, thank you for your time today. >> my pleasure. thanks, bill. >> sandra: america's top global adversaries buying up more and more acres of u.s. farmland. is anything being done to stop the land grabs that have sparked national security concerns coast to coast? >> bill: the business capital of the world not appearing to business friendly.

could rising crime be forcing top companies to shut their doors in new york and move to safer parts of the country? mr. wonderful, kevin o'leary to talk about it coming up next.

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$2 million worth of u.s. farmland and almost 400,000 acres and the concern is that we are giving leverage to china and other adversarial nations over our country's food supply. again, not just china, also iran, north korea, russia, cuba and venezuela, and this has lawmakers from both parties, both here in new york and across the entire country, even at the federal level, trying to stop this. listen to this. >> i think, you know, keeping our country safe, making sure we are not allowing foreign adversaries to come in here and threaten our national security, whether it's a spy balloon or buying up a farm like this. i think it's a top concern. >> so bill, that's democrat new york state assemblyman angelo santa barbara, the author of the new bill in new york that would ban foreign adversaries from buying farmland. he believes the bill has enough bipartisan support to become law this year. across the country it is a

bipartisan issue. the 16 states in red already have bans in place. and the 15 states in yellow are considering bans. you can see the yellow category includes new york and california, but also texas and florida, two groups of states that often don't agree on much. we spoke with republican alabama senator tubberville who believes it's a federal issue. >> we are being attacked by china and other countries and the world and we need to make sure that we are all in this together, not just new york, not just alabama, not just iowa. we are all in it together. >> bill, last month senator tubberville proposed a bill that would ban add ver -- adversary nations. >> bill: nate, thank you for the report. >> the crime is off the chain

here, but you have to focus on that. >> fed up with what's happening to new york. people are afraid to come out, afraid to go to work, afraid to take the train. doesn't back my blue, he needs to resign. >> he needs to go after the career criminals. >> sandra: new yorkers blasting manhattan d.a. alvin bragg for the rise of the violent crime in the big apple. it is a topic house republicans will hold a field hearing on early next week. >> bill: and will feature testimonies of victims, including jose, who was stabbed in self-defense. and bragg dropped the charges. >> sandra: kevin o'leary, he says he is moving his companies out of new york. >> thank you very much. >> sandra: why is new york not worth fighting for? >> not investable. it's not about politics at all,

it's about policy. post-pandemic, most investors, me included, realize we can headquarters anywhere. 40% of the staff does not work at h.q. a company that looks promising, texas, florida, tennessee, no state taxes, good schools, people want to live there, and set them up there and escape 9 to 15% taxes. now, specific to new york, and cities like los angeles and san francisco, they are war zones. i would not ask anybody to live there or work there, because of incredibly bad management of those cities and those states. and so i'm ok to say this because it's a fact, and so i think voters in these states, and the no-go states for investors, this is shared by many investors, i'm just vocal bit, you never put a dime into new york, horrible place for

policy. massachusetts, punitive taxes on success. elizabeth warren, i don't agree on her policies at all. if you are successful there, you are super taxed. why would you put a ceo in a place they are punished for success n it's so un-american, i don't understand it. new jersey, uninvestable. and then california, they are not even in business. it's great to visit -- >> sandra: weather is great. >> but you have to stay out of the downtown areas or you'll be executed. that's the way i look at it. it's such a horrible outcome for the people that live, you would think they would show in the voting booth and i think one day they will. you have to question the management of that state, management of san francisco, the mayor of los angeles, new york, are you guys kidding? you have to fix this place, it's a mess. >> bill: i live in l.a., i can tell you you are not wrong. how you think it's a war zone, this video from the fox affiliate in los angeles, a

business owner out there who makes her living help cancer patients get their hair back, had her business broken into or robbed a dozen times and as a result, she's had to close her doors. this is just one of the burglaries you are looking at right now. we obviously have a very progressive d.a. out there in george gascon, soros' backed, soft on crime. that's happening in cities all over the country and why would this business owner want to come back. >> they won't, and if you buy, try and buy toothpaste in los angeles, san francisco, new york, it's under lock and key. the only reason the drugstore would do that, they are losing so much in shrinkage. pragmatic problems, not political in nature, they are policy in nature. people see it every day and live with it, and say what do i have to do to fix this? think about it next time you are voting. i don't care what party you are in, it's about managing the city, pick a better manager.

i don't care what party they are in. you have some really bad managers. >> money doesn't care about politics. >> investors don't care. the path of least resistance. >> it's not just the toothpaste, it's deodorant, the razors -- >> i went to buy some baby aspirin, 81 milligrams, it was under lock and key. i've never seen this before. >> restauranteur, lady gaga's father joined us and also shared this with us about running a business in new york city. listen. >> it's not safe anymore. the crime -- crime, it's unpredictable, you don't know where it's going to happen, when it's going to happen, the city took a step back ten years. >> we have to polish the big apple again. broken windows theory, if the place looks like hell we are going to attract the wrong

people. >> sandra: i know you are an optimistic guy and you have to be, when you are a big time investors you have to look for the bright spots. look at things down and how to turn them around. buy low, sell high. what can be done today? >> new york is an amazing place, people. i'm here for the new york gala for watch guys, i'm a watch guy. we put it here, the whole world comes to new york. the problem is when you ask would i invest capital here, no. and if i don't want to put my money here, those jobs are going somewhere else, and i'm just one investor. i'm very vocal about this, i think it's important to talk about it. i don't have to put money here anymore. i'm going to put it where it's wanted, where it's desired, where the policy is pro business. >> sandra: where success is rewarded. >> yes, and where young people want to grow their families and feel safe. that is not new york, it's not san francisco, it's not

massachusetts, it's not new jersey. everybody in the states should say where are all the people leaving? why are we losing 1200 wealthy individuals a day to miami beach. they move out of new york. we can't -- there's no more place for guys from new york in miami, i lived there. there's no more apartments. they pour into the state to escape brutality of their home states. >> and those who are left pay the price. taxes go up. >> it's not sustainable, it's important to talk about, it's not red or blue, it's policy. >> bill: final point here when you talk about the new york exodus, look at the numbers. look at this. 27% of people polled plan to leave new york in the next five years. 49% rate new york fair or poor on public safety, and 67% say new york simply is not affordable. is new york going to lose their tax revenue base if enough

people leave? >> it's happening now. and first responders, a lot of respect for, tremendous support for, their job getting harder and harder every year. they are asked almost to be psychiatrists at the same time they are being police or firemen, and you know, they go into these really high risk environments, put their lives at stake and families at stake every time and nobody seems to care. it's just wrong. >> sandra: it's not america, not the america we all love. >> it's just wrong and at some point we have to leave this vicious partisan politics and what we have to do to grow families in new york. >> sandra: quick thought on that, you are looking at what you can do to be part of the solution, putting up an oil refinery on your own in the middle of an energy crisis in the country. what is your plan? >> we have to have a new refinery, we have not built one

since the mid 1970s, and old refineries are old and dirty, i admit that. the new technologies are spectacular. explain why you want to invest $14 billion in a new refinery, if you want energy independence you have to build refineries. oil coming out of the ground does not solve the energy problem. we need to distill it. and jet fuel and put gasoline in the car. that gives you energy independence. i note the chinese just green lighted one, we have to do the same in america. i'm not building it myself, i have to go capitalize it, i know how to do the deal and get the capital, i have to find a state that wants to work with me and permit it and i want the people in that state to support it. >> sandra: you heard it here. >> i want the people to support it. i can sell it to america but i want it in a state they care about energy. >> sandra: fantastic to have you

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>> bill: you are looking at live images out of paris, france right now where protests continue after we are told a court has just ruled that the french government can in fact raise the retirement age in france from 62 to 64. there have obviously been protests going on in the last couple of weeks in paris because of these sort of issues. that ruling just coming down in france today. you can see large groups gathered in the streets. some of them holding banners, we are told there were a couple of little fires set in a different area. but as you are looking right now, just chanting, marching as news of this ruling gets out. we will obviously keep an eye on this as news develops and some protests have gotten more wild when the sun goes down and bigger crowds. but any time you talk about retirement age, pensions, and social security, you will get people fired up. >> sandra: at times marching with torches, and actually

passing, we have seen some pretty violent protests, obviously with fires happening. police protests, there was tear gas deployed, they were showing up wearing body armor at some protests. this is happening all over the country, it's an incredibly unpopular plan. this is a lot of young people in the streets there. they keep shifting direction. >> bill: the second time we have watched the crowd walk up the street and then reverse, don't know if there are police forcing them back or just back and forth on the street. again, all this, the social security web is at risk of financial collapse unless they feel they have to make movement on the retirement age and the people that would affect are not thrilled about that, though most of the people in the streets appear to be the younger crowd, right, sandra? >> sandra: and a lot of trash has not been picked up all over the streets of paris, it got really, really dirty for a while, the protests are happening in the city.

we will monitor the situation in paris. missouri's attorney general, meanwhile, taking steps to protect children throughout the date by ending gender transition procedures for minors. an an an andrew bailey. why are you putting an end to the procedures in the state? >> these are dangerous procedures not backed up by science, not evidence-based and cause long-term health consequences. both the administration of pub puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, can lead to blindness, and bone loss, and many other things, and in favor of treating with psychology and psychiatry, we are fighting to instill in these providers a sense of the need to resort to psychiatry and psychology to protect children

from these dangerous experimental medications and surgical procedures. >> sandra: what is the plan in place to help some of the minors who might come forward at an early age with real concerns about themselves? how do you help them? >> well, first of all we have had a whistleblower at one of the clinics come forward and swear under oath 75% of the children she treated came in with gender disforeya, they learned about it on tiktok. think about that for a second. it's a scary statistic and to the extent it's true, we need to treat the mental health disorder with clinical psych assessments, and down the road of medication, there needs to be a tracking system for the adverse consequences. look, that's basic patient care. i'm amazed the clinics were able to operate and were able to maintain malpractice insurance. if we administer pills or ever refer a patient to surgery there needs to be informed parental consent, psych assessment first

and track adverse outcomes. >> sandra: some are saying there is lack of information for those identify as transgender, regarding the harms of puberty affirmation, and hormone therapy affirmation. >> look, at the end of the day, it's absolutely necessary to protect the health and safety of children in the state of missouri. anyone can look at the rule and see we have six pages of notes, clinical studies, medical journals, experts, opining the same thing, it's not backed up by science and are dangerous and i'm amazed the left wants to ignore. that ignore the science? the same quackery during covid where they pushed the false narrative and ignored real

science. children are harmed, we will not let that happen in missouri. >> sandra: a map of other states with youth trans care, alabama, arizona, tennessee, utah, do you believe it's gaining momentum across the country and what is the reaction you've gotten so far from the move in your state? >> well, very positive because people understand the need to inject a level of rationality. look, asking for a psych assessment and to track adverse consequences and let parents know about the dangerous side effects of the drugs, that's common sense and people get that. europe has curtailed the procedures, they know they are dangerous. and i'm proud to lead the effort on behalf of the state of missouri, innovative, the first to use this to promulgate a rule, and encourage other states to adopt the same policy. >> sandra: we'll keep watching

it. thank you very much. >> you are coming after the rights of parents, i'm standing in your way. >> freedom is here to stay. >> bill: that is a clip from a super pac add supporting governor desantis, set to air on monday as the rising republican star heads to d.c. as he weighs a potential white house run. ari fleischer, thank you for joining us. your thought off the bat. do you think the signs are point to think a desantis run? >> certainly they are, they have been pointing that way for quite a while and the fundamental mistake he made, all the signs thinking he is going to run, if you are going to run, run. and if you need to make up your mind and you want to come out in june as a candidate, don't go through all the preliminary

exercises until june. he's trying to have it both ways, it's hard to do in politics. >> bill: and former president trump continues to rack up endorsements. if we can pull up this graphic right here showing president trump's current endorsements, like i think like 45 or 46 members of congress endorsing him, then if we can swicht it over to desantis, he has massy and roy, out of texas. neither from florida. a big disparity. but desantis has not announced a run yet. so tailing off what you just said, is he doing damage to himself if he is going to run, he's got to announce it soon, right? >> well, first of all, i don't think endorsements are that important. they don't deliver votes, voters deliver votes. so it's interesting, notable, donald trump for all intents and purposes is the incumbent, it's not surprising he would have more members of consider forking him. desantis would be a challenger,

nikki haley would be a challenger. endorsements is not what determines races and has not for decades. for desantis, i would have said i have not made up my mind, i'm going to govern florida, not have going to iowa or new hampshire and then when he's done with the legislature, he just comes out full throated and guns, just guns ablazing. and that's when he should have said i am a candidate, i will run, here is what i'm going to do and what i think about donald trump. that's the way he should have done it with a full throated offense. but he's halfway up to the net, to use a tennis term and hard to hit the ball from there. >> bill: if he does end up running, how should he strike a balance between the conservative agenda the gop wants and not trying to alienate the former president's supporters. let's say if he were to move forward, he's going to need donald trump supporters in a general election.

>> yeah, bill. the fascinating dynamite, and i don't think it's that hard to maneuver through in the republican primary, donald trump has been for great policies but sometimes he offers the wrong approach. and i'm the candidate a steady outsider, approach that gets more votes that can win the election, not only in the primary but in the fall. but donald trump on policy has been great for america and great for the world. i really think that's the line and the approach a challenger needs to take to president trump. if you come at him full throated as he's wrong, he's bad, you are going to alienate a lot of republican voters who like him on policy and think he did a good job as president. i think there's a lot of unease about sometimes is he too hot to handle and that's the opening a candidate has. you have to sort of be pro trump in order to be anti-trump. >> bill: 20 seconds left here. any other names on the gop side expecting to throw their name in the hat?

>> big ones out there are mike pompeo, tim scott now the senator from north carolina is going to run, not surprised if another governor hops in. we'll have some 6, 8 in the fall and as long as we are down to 1 or 2 next year, republicans will be fine. >> bill: thank you so much for your time. talk to you soon. and the 2024 republican candidates will be facing off on the debate stage in milwaukee when fox news hosts the first official debate in august. make sure you don't miss our special coverage right here on fox news channel. >> sandra: all new at 2:00, holes in the city of los angeles city officials after former governor arnold schwarzenegger claimed he had to fix a neighborhood pothole all by himself. you won't believe what l.a. is doing to steer clear from blame. dagen mcdowell will help us fill in the gaps. plus, shannon bream, art del

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