decisions as early as we can. thank you for spending part of your sunday with us, have a great week ahead, good night from south carolina, "life, liberty and levin" is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ mark: hello america, i'm mark levin. this is "life, liberty and levin." we have one great guest tonight victor davis hanson. he and i the full hour. i know you will love it. how about we talk about the the constitution. what to we do about a situation in which a

president of united states his appointed attorney general, the director of fbi, the u.s. attorney, also appointed by president of the united states and special counsel appointed by the attorney general of the united states, what to we do as a country if they stonewall the house of representatives, majority of whom are republicans? what to we do if the national archives, also part of the executive branch is also stonewalling the republicans? what do we do if separation of powers is being violated by the eco the executive branch, and only body that we think that can enforce the law. this is what i want to talk to but. we have reac reached a points, with the most dangerous fbi today since history of the fbi. most dangerous department of

justice since it was founded by grant in 1870. and we have most dangerous attorney general since george washington hand-picked an attorney general in 1795. attorney general did not become a person who would be confirmed by senate and head of department of justice until the department of justice was founded in 1870. you know the department of justice the ag, fbi, u.s. attorney, none of them are in the constitution. they were created by congress. how can it be they can stiff arm the united states congress? here is the deal. they can't. ly say jim jordan or james comer hold hearings, but they need information, they need witnesses. they ask them to voltaire voluntarily provide them, and executive branch says

no, and how about they subpoena them, and they say no. or redact information. let's say they ask department can of treasury for w -- wire transferred involving hunter biden or a member of the president's family apart from hunter biden, they say no. what do they do? remember january 6 committee? that committee benefited from fact that attorney general, the u.s. attorney, we're on their side, same party, from that christopher wray was bending over b backwards and from fact that the head of the executive branch was joe biden, is a democrat. and so they used fbi, department of justice, u.s. attorney's office and all the rest to go after republicans. whether they are state legislators or legislatures that are republican or pro

life. whether they are people who were parading and quote, unquote trespassing on the capitol grounds. they went after them, and now going after former trump, can you name and democrats they targeted? are democrats angels? no. we have a house that wants to do an investigation consider the biden family that a special counsel to do but attorney general refuses to appoint in the case of their finances and foreign dealings. i have looked into carefully, the house of representatives republicans, need to preserve their authority euro -- owmp under the constitution, selfed preserving a.

they are to be a plant and negotiations you work things out one branch with the other, but if another branch is corrupt, in the since they use law against their political opens, they are corrupt in sent that they basically dare you to doing about about it they will not enforce it on thet executive side, you have to actor the house of represents in congress will seek the power. what can they do? we have a history we look at our history, it didn't begin yesterday. history began when the nation was founded. congress h has you power ho hole individuals or entities in contempt. just as judiciary has power of review. judiciary review is not in the constitution.

these departments and officers i mentioned they are not in the constitution. but congress has the power to legislate, to pass budgets, spending bills, borrow, congress has a lot of power. if it cannot enforce that power, it has no power then. even the supreme court has recognized this. so if congress is bo reasonable they are asking for information to go after classified information taken say by biden and others, if that i want to look let supreme court said that tax returns of a former president. they could look at those tax returns. the scorporations of a sitting president and of the former speaker of the house, and supreme court justices as well. the supreme court opened the door to that, if they tom look at how the fbi is functioning, which is a very important matter. we have learned they have been censoring distribution

of information on social media outlets. and givey giff -- how they conduct themselves with s.w.a.t. teams, fbi is not free to blow off our elected presidents and near neither is attorney general of united states who targeted parents and pro lifers and a form president. and all of the rest. so they have to have the power to act. these are dangerous times, grave times. so the republicans in the house have pulled together committee and asked for information and witnesses. they need to enforce it. now here is what they do. if in can't get worked out, they look at this contempt pow that are i talked about. -- power that i talked about, it has been upheld by supreme court in the past in rare occasion it has been

used, as not been used since 1930s. it was used in history we did not have a department of justice. what it means is the house or senate, but house here. can hold an individual in contempt. they vote in relevant committee, that say judiciary committee, comes to the floor for a vote. and then the house has to vote it up or down. you would hope that republicans would vote it up, but it is important enough, we have a few stragglers. who are detc desperate to be liked by cnn, wash post and "new york times," they put that ahead of country, that is not accept sable in this case. we're talking about separation of powers. a real battle. i can assure you, if shoe were on other foot democrats would be quick to pull the trigger. let's say that house of representatives votes to hold a person in contempt, refeared to u.s. attorney

-- it is referred to attorney office they blow it off, do you remember what that happened before. they wanted to track the guns? one of which killed one of our border agents do you remember that? the house wanted to see some underlying m memoranda and information we relied oholder, they held him in contempt. s -- and nothing happened. january 6 committee hold employ. >> contempt in u.s. attorney has gone after several of them. in the case. for matters that seem ridiculous. people asserting their fifth amendment rights, people asserting that at least limit the privilege. here there is no justification at all. what happens? congress votes. they send to u.s. attorney and u.s. attorney said no.

congress has the power -- listen, this is not kook stuff or black helicopter stuff it has been done. dust off the law. congress has the power to send the sa sergeant of arms to secure that individual. that is to arrest that individual. the executive branch plays no role. they actual have the authority t to take that individual and jail that individual for a period of time. now the there are due process rights but not as extensive as criminally charges someone, they are not crim criminally charged but held in contempt of the house. that individual haves an open hearing in front of a committee. and they can ask their

questions, they can release that individual or hold that individual over, for more information. now it is an unpleasant process. but like so many things that democrats do, so many things biden and merrick garland and christopher wray and nancy pelosi have done, they break tradition, they are like bulls in a china shop, breaking everything in their sight. i am telling the republicans in the house of representatives, one thing to investigate crucial. is one thing to issue s subpoena, another things to enforce them, i know you will be attacked by media. but the media is corrupt, you are will attacked by phony tenured professors, many of them are radical marxists, ignore them too. take some courage from what is going on in state of israel, why netanyahu and

his majority government are putting in place true reforms where they are fundamentally altering the way that judiciarily and law works there they're out of control, they undermine representative government in israel all of the time. we have a situation now with joe biden's executive branch, undermining representative government and unleashing criminal law ep enforcement against people with whom they disagree. it is one thing to investigate, to collect information. but it is quite another thing to enforce. i want to suggest that republicans take a close look at this. when i come back, the great victor davis hanson, we'll be right back. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we tried electric unicycles. i think i've got it! doggy-paddle!

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mark: welcome back america, we have america's weisman with -- wiseman with us victor davis hanson, there are a number of subjects i would like to discuss with them, from broad to specific focus, i do long form interviews on the show, they go too fast with victor. you wrote a piece,

establishment is the revolution. i thought this is a particularly brilliant piece. what do you mean? >> if you look at 60, people were marching on campus president's office to demand change. now the campus president is one that suppressing free speech. armies of night that would march to pentagon for social change but pentagon inaugurated everything from subsidized transgender surgeries to hunting out supposed white rage in the ranks on its own. i could go on. all of the institutions, whether disney or american airlines or where i work stanford, they are agents of revolutionary change, they have influence, it is a top-down woke revolution, the establishment against us the people. mark: s the establishment.

is the revolution? these are the people who are up ending our society, they are promoting i'll call it anti-white racism. they are stereotyping minorities, they have the borders open. and most outrageous immigration policies, the people who reject capitalism and embrace socialism and brain washing our children, going after the parents and after pro-lifers, they never had to raise a finger in violence, they just do it. >> they just do it. the last 4 directors in succession of fbi have either mislead congress or lied you under oath to

a federal investigator or claimed amnesia. you look at lois lerner and the irs, we have duchess of of sussex lectures us on white microaggressions again black people, we have to terrible tragedy in -- they killed an innocent african-american, police chief is black, 60% of the force is black, 70% of mem memphis is black, we have van jones lectures america that this is proof of racism. these are revolutionary ideas that exam from the come from people who are very wealthy. john kerry lectures us that

our problem is our leaf-blowers, while he is on a jet. that they lecture us about climate change, these ideas come from the established. it is not the people on streets that demand that we stop exploring natural gas or open the border wide open, it is the elite. very different from most revolutions, they are not grassroot revolutions. mark: what is it about that? people who luxuriate. in the peaceful diversity, that causes them to want to burn it all down? i'm asked this all of the time, why are billionaires and multimillion ors so left wing? >> almost a psychological mechanism. they live such exclusive

pampered lives they feel guilty. they try to virtue signal 7 displays of caring or empathy for under privileges or planet or particularly perceived victims or the oppressed as a way of justifying they are quite privileged, they are pretty. then other thing, the twin to that idea, i think is that they are never subject to the consequences of their own ideology, here in california, gavin newsom lectures us as we go to mcdonald's about wearing a mask, yet he sat french laundry with no consequences or nancy pelosi shuts down mom and pop hairdressers while she gets her hair done during the qu quarantine. al gore sells his worth less cable company for personal

profit ka cash -- carbon spewing qatar, they are so superior to the rest of us they can't follow the consequences, almost every issue, school choice. is bad, charter schools are bad. home schools is bad. the people who tell us they are bad, their kids in prep schools, here in california we get lectured about why we need to have high electric prices to discourage use by people who live on a coastal corridor where it 65 to 85 all year round not like in desert or s san joaquin valley where it is 110. we have a elite class that is guilt r ridden.

i guess desantis wanted to tell us what he sent a lot of illegal aliens to martha vineyard, a sudde sanctuary city they give lectures how noble it is to be documented the before gets buts to get them out. mark: when we come back, is this akin to what you see in fascist regimes or marxist regimes? that is t the concentration of power and wealth which is not a result of capitalism, and representative government, but a role of the centralization of government and of economic activity. i want to address that with you when we return. plan we'll be right back.

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york, a manhunt under way in alabama for gunman for latest mass shooting. 4 people were killed at least 28 others hurt. the victims said to be teens were attending a birthday party. no word on what triggered that violence. >> members of the republic lead house judiciary committee will convene in new york city holding a field hearing on crime, accusing manhattan attorney general alvin bragg of being soft on crime, and im blame him for dramatic rise in industry violent, i am jon scott, now back to "life, liberty and levin." ♪ ♪ mark: welcome back.

victor davis hanson, centralization of government and economic activity, the centralliization of everything. i guess those who do the centralizing g get powering they get rich and rest of us we're serving their interest. >> i think that is the point. that is what life styles of mao and associates we have remember that rivera or castro or the pierre brothers back to antiquity with cattle line, t they the takeovers of society come from the upper middle class. often a rivalry among each other, they feel that somehow their jep genius was not appreciated, they take power. it is a top-down phenomenon. they never eever want to

live the lives they advocate and insist on for others. >> i note, that lennon did not come out of poverty and mao is do the, castro d did not, they meet your definition. lennon was the upper middle class. mao was middle class. and castro was upper middle class. i say that is pretty. the rule rather than the exception. in united states we're seeing the same thing. are we not? >> i work on stanford campus, one strangest month phenomenon to see the free speech area and posters and pamp met -- that is radical of and walk through student parking lot, you can't decide whether the preferred car is a bmw, a mercedes or a lexus, they

are all there the reaction amon we either disengage a monastery of the mind and just don't watch oscars or emmys or super bowl halftime show, don't read "new york times." or when we try to engage them we don't discuss the issues, it is always a defensive mode, we're saying year not racist or sexist, stop it. we have not been able to galvanize the comp 51 to 55% of people who don't like the woke revolution. i think that conservative movement that traditionalist movement is at a loss, they are not sure how to reaction, they are looking

for guidance, this is a bewilders situation when the revolution is unlike any that we've seen, a silicon value, wall street big university revolution. it is not like the it 60s it was a sloppy cultural revolution, tune in, drop outdo your own thing, join a commune and grow your hair long it is different. mark: it is daunting. i am concerned. you have grassroots conservatives who really get it. they are paying gasoline prices and food prices. they see what their children are taught in public schools. they are repulsed by what is being done to them and their country, they migh fight our wars, they are our firefighters, police officering, electricians and

plumbers, the waitresses, cab drivers and are all of the rest. so many of looking at this, saying, good god, what is the world is going on? and yet they don't have a lot of power within our culture whether the universities or the teachers unions or decisions about immigration. here is my concern. when we come back, i hate to say this. i'm not trying to be provocative. if tens of millions of people have no way of addressing their concerns or anger through a representative system, are these people on the left, i call them learn marxists, whether they identify that way or not, are they creating a situation where at some point some way the lid will blow off this society. es so? societies. >> that is my question to

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mark: welcome back victory vick -- victor davis hanson, if you destroy civil society, muscle up irs to target the average citizen and undermining the police, so that public has no reliability on safety in the streets. if you are driving up the cost of gasoline to fill a truck or a car, with really no future energy despite promises. if you are applying the laws now, not based on justice or the application for grants and contracts, but based on race, and other status and so forth, what are you doing? >> that is the question we

wrestle with. these debates used to take place within defined parameters. but the left is saying, we'll change the system and institutionalize that system so we have an exclusive ity on power forever, everything is up for grabs in their way of thinking. filibuster, we is get rid of it court was a 7 sin to talk about packing the court for political purposes. let's dee >> let's tear up the state of union address on national tv. the story of america.

when we have this shooting if you say that 5 african-american rogue cops kill a innocent african-american vehicle, and in a state in a city that is mostly black with a black police chief, you tell america, as many of elite have told us it was a symptom much white racism you jump the shark. here in california we're talking seriously with a 25 billion dollar debt annual deficit, of reparations for slavery that was eliminated 158 years ago. in a state that never was part of the confederacy, it was part of the union. and state where 27% of the population was not por born in united states so-called white minority makes up about a third of the state's population.

so, when you get to that degree of a absurdity it creates a lot of frustration, you can't discuss transgenderism or female sports, who made such great strides having their entire college athletic program ruined by males, biological males destroying records that women set. they are all areas of fierce debate. ibut if you can't debate them, you are labeled an enemy of the people that is what is worrying everyone, this not the democratic party, not the progressive party there is a neomarxist socialist effort to change the way we talk about politics and make politics, that change in the way of government. it institutionalizing their idea of a new america.

mark: joe biden pretends to be a mod yeah, moderate. he is not. you have court of appeals involving farmers. white farmers gets to back of the line or no subsidies. you have medicare. where doctors are told to provide services priorities for blacks and minorities and older white people really they will be taking a look at, that the government. to determine reimbursements to see racial make-up. and you have other programs, student loan program, one of last argument that biden administration made was that whereas white students owe i think 6%, black students

perhaps 30% still on their loans, this is aimed at that too. we have every bit of the racist activity in terms of administration programs, like we have never seen before, blatant as there was in reverse during the wilson administration. to say, this group gets this group does not get, we guard less of their situation. -- regardless of their situation, if you are a white from appalachia it is of no consequence, you are not supposed to discuss this. >> l the left of very clever in getting rid of class, class is a fluid idea, they -- in a never achieved revolution in united states because of the upward mobility of free market system. but, what they substituted race, i think it took hold under the obama

administration with an idea of diversity that labeld 30% of population nonwhite as victim, but race is permanent they said, not linot like gender, by that lebron james is a victim, and meghan markle is a victim, and m michele obama, second idea they have a cals fid view of so-called whiteness. nevertheless, if luk look at certain statistics 15 ethnic groups with higher per capita incomes than whites, suicide rate of white male is higher, and people who died in iraq and afghanistan, white male fatalities were double their

numbers in the general population. we had chairman of joint chief alleging would evidence they were cull culpable of white rain. rage. people have a country we're back in 19 century, it is not. we have made enormous progress and race becomingi incidental to your economy status, they don't want to address, that race they consider permanent. and it is always there they say. it cannot be constructioned. that is why you see, to be frivolous in old days, people tried to pass as white, now, whether it is you know ward churchill or elizabeth warren the connist to pass as nonwhite for preferential treatment. mark: when we come back.

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mark: welcome back, you know, equality and freedom, they were the two p big thing. core fundamentals. you can't have really freedom without equality and they require virtue. that equality issue, under the law, i think our country has succeeded every other country in the face of the earth. equal opportunity. we're not perfect, we are more perform than any other country. , all that said, it may have started with obama, but it is biden who started to slip the word in equity, the minute high started signing executive order. the day he was inaugurated

it has been planned for some time, you are right with obama most of his moved of most radical people are surrounding biden, tell the difference between equally and equity. >> it is simple. equality is the equality of opportunity, everyone is free to succeed or fail on a level playing feel, equity is government mandated quality of resolve, everyone will be equal on almost every aspect of your life, whether it is your house, car or job or ideas. it is something that that people had warned us about. aristotle said part of problem withing which challenge of democracy once a man votes equal to another problem biologic he feels that different must make him

equal. >> this was his greatest worry about america. was the impulse that majority people would rather be poor and exqualthan all be better off with some more equal than others. that is -- has opinion is -- >> has been our challenge, we have resisted it as well. we had the talent that participated. equal fashion. but, i guess the results were not enough for the elite. once they became an -- an elite, they were decided no one else could be upwardly mobil, so they change the rules. that manifested itself in a variety of ways, universities they abolished s.a.t. score for example. or and ranking of

competitive gpa's, and they have select people over a minimum standard on basis of race or gender or sexual orientation, we'll make this percentage and this percentage all equal on the back end. it is dangerous, what made america unique was the meritocracies, when you push this, in the military or with airline pilots or nuclear plant operators or high-tech physicists, that is the fuel of this system. and if you bring in a common source system where ideology replaces merit there is no reason our standard of living would not reflect that fallacy. mark: coming hand in hand with that is police state, there could never be equity or equal outcomes, they just continue to press, press, press. and squeeze society and the members. and you get the horrific

situations, you need a police state and that police state will fail, so what is the answer? get a new police chief. you know, or be tougher on the people. it is never to be circumspect or reverse course, you see this in the blue states, you see in california, new york, illinois and the -- we have failed states within the united states and so many of these people want to expand their failed states to cover the rest of the states, so far thank god we have fed federalism, but it is on weak knees victor davis hanson, i want you to know how much you are appreciated, god bless. >> you thank you, same here, mark. mark: we'll be right back.

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>> look american ladies in general and, just to show you the extent to which the democratic party doesn't really give it out about your constitution of the declaration, joe biden nominated somebody to a federal court, out of washington state and when she was asked senator john kennedy,s article five in the constitution, which is the article that allows for many in the constitution in one of two ways, she said that she did not know and when he asked her what about article to which sets up the presidency the executive branch and she said, she did not know what about you that she can find the invisible abortion section, to this constitution. and we have a supreme court justice, justice jackson, when she was up for confirmation was asked in writing, what is your view of natural rights and natural rights, thus the entire venting theory that interlace

the declaration of independence and god-given rights and overwrites do not come from man and she said that she did not really have a position on that as of the course are being loaded up with ideologues, not statesmen or jurors not serious people, want to follow the law. i will see you next time on life, liberty & levin. ♪ ♪ evening and welcome to the next revolution coming the moment on i will have some strong words, the gop, how about that, and together they need to get their act together and i'll explain how is our friend tommy here, to react and pretty sure she will have good advice as well but first, to be increasingly, dangerous fiasco bidens or in policy, number how the establish establishment causally said would trumps disaster was be steals in the middle eas