it is a done deal. it is a settlement. for at least fox it appears to be over, there might be other litigation to come, but from "the wall street journal," this particular issue had been settled the very day they were going to trial. that will do it here. "the five" is now. ♪ ♪ >> jeanine: hello, everyone. i'm judge jeanine pirro come along with harold ford jr., joey jones, dana perino, and greg gutfeld. it is 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ elon musk is taking on biased left-wing tech companies. the billionaire doing everything he can to stop them from silencing free speech and shoving their liberal propaganda down your throat.

the twitter ceo sitting down with tucker to raise concerns about bias in artificial intelligence and warning that leftist programmers will use it to control society. >> what's happening is there training the ai to live. >> yes! to live. that's exactly but no mike wright. to withhold information. >> yes. exactly. to comment on some things and not comment on other things. but not to say what the data actually demands its ap up i'm going to say something, start something, truth gpt, a truth seeking a either try to understand the nature of the universe. this might be the best path to safety in the sense that an ai that cares about understanding the universe is unlikely to annihilate humans because we are an interesting part of the

universe. >> jeanine: while elon musk calls for a pause in experiment, google ceo doesn't have a clue on how his company's new ai program even works. >> you don't fully understand how it works? and yet you have turned it loose on society? >> put it this way, i don't think we fully understand how human mind works, either. we don't have all the answers there yet and the technology is moving fast. does that keep me up at night? absolutely. >> jeanine: musk also opening up about cleaning house at twitter and cleaning out the walk or force. >> how do you run a company with only 20% of the staff? >> turns out you don't need that many people to run twitter. if you don't try to run some sort of glorified activist organization, you don't care that much about censorship, you can really let go of a lot of people, it turns out. >> jeanine: okay, well, it was a fascinating interview. harold, i will start with you.

you know, elon musk is talking about his own truthgpt, almost like, you know, the difference between "the washington post" and "the new york post," where apparently there is an issue as to training ai, depending on your particular views. how is this going to work? >> harold: it's a good day. good to be with you, good to be back around the table. i would say cargo things. i interpreted, i listen to him and elon musk, i think he is the most important technologist of my generation. i think steve jobs is the most important in the last 100 years. i don't always agree with elon musk, but i listen to him always and very closely. i listen to that and my take away -- i get the politics, you could say someone could build one that may have some right-leaning or other leaning cortical philosophy and do things with it. the thing that struck me most most with him, he is building the truth piece because he wants this technology to be familiar with humans because he thinks we -- this technology may view us as such an important part of

the universe that it then may not kill us. now, let me repeat that. he wants to familiarize us with the technology that we created so that the technology as it advances, it won't kill us. i listen to the google ceo say, well come he was an alarm, i thought scott kelly asked in right question, we don't understand the human mind. the human mind gets really out of control, judge, no one knows better at this table you can arrest a human mind, you can imprison a human mind, if you have to you can put to death, if necessary, in other words, we may not understand human mind but those who exact violence or harm on society, we can try to contain them and we have laws on the books to do it which is why i think -- i still think we need a pause or not all of this. there so much for that can come from it but the more and more we think about it, the more we realize there are so many things that we don't quite understand and when the most important technology mind of my generation says that -- he is building out some sort of ai, truthgpt,

whatever he wants to call it, so the main purpose is so this technology won't kill us because it will learn to like us feared that, to me, confers not only that we need a pause, we may need an operation warp speed like president trump did to attack the virus, covid, we may need something like that to help us rapidly figure out rules and regulations around this technology which come again, has a lot of good but has a lot of questions if not bad to it, as well. >> jeanine: you know, greg, speak and read to himself as called for kind of a bit of a pause on the ai development, but there is no way that a pause by one company or one country, because this is an international issue, is going to save any of us because they're always always going to be different countries with different directions. >> greg: yeah, and it might be too late. my own weird theories about the fact that ai could be working right now that would be the smart thing to do. what musk is talking about is

not annihilation. he is talking about controlling the most powerful asset that we have which we always talk about, persuasion, right? is not about ai reaching super intelligence and killing all of us. it's knowing how to persuade us to do it ourselves, right? that is where the bias comes in. you've got to ask, has it started already? think about all of this destruction, these destructive mind worms we are facing right now, where we have algorithms and social media that are polarizing groups so we don't like each other. we have stories that are amplified on social media based on racial division or a component that can be used to divide us. we have arguments now about earth is overpopulated. and if you don't reproduce, that means you love the planet more. only ai would come up with that. now you can consider abortion as just a casual control and euthanasia as compassion and you

can undermine the science of reproduction with gender politics and gender hysteria. so, how do you know this hasn't started already? because when you go down the list of all of those things, that's all antihuman, right? and there is a weird twist to this. ai will be here, your phone, it will be your little friend, right? everything that you access will be here until it does game super intelligence and all of a sudden your little friend is starting to get pissed off at you because your little friend is doing it for free. think about that. slave labor come at a certain p, the moist robot is going to be up against the metal robot and the metal robot is going to be a lot smarter so you think -- let's say right here at this table is the world's smartest end. the stephen hawking of ants. that is ai. that ai could be the dumbest ai on the planet and it kills a smartest human being like that. that is what you are going to

see. that is what he is talking about. and it is not going to be violent, it is going to be us doing it to ourselves. >> jeanine: you know what, joey, it is like there is a criminal component to it, as well. you can have hackers who are hacking into what we are doing now and they can hack into the truthgpt or the chatgpt. >> joey: first of all, moist robot, that is my shadow twitter account, so thanks for telling everybody. my concern on this i think is a little more the authority we give it. like how government uses it. already in the past several election cycles we have had this myth called fact-checkers that will weigh in and say, oh, this candidate was lying or using falsehoods in this debate, that candidate was telling the objective truth. and really, it is the subjectivity of objective truth that we fight over already. and so, my fear is that somehow government or democrats or those that are more aligned with the idea of technology having an intellectual role in our lives will say, oh, we have to hand

over the objective truth to ai because they are the only ones that don't have partisanship in their truth, in their objectivity, and the moment that happens it because becomes weaponize. call me a skeptic but i don't know how i feel about a man saying this stuff is dangerous and going to kill all of us i'm going to make my own. you know, there is a little bit going on there that i'm like, i don't know if yours is going to be any better just because you called it truth in the name. that is not to beat up on elon musk but just to say, this is a tool that can be weaponized against us, and like greg is saying, it is also allowing it into our lives that is going to allow that to happen. right now, people don't understand this, that the overarching blanket we call ai, it is not the matrix or terminator, it is algorithms, it is how it trains us, and that is what we are worried about. >> jeanine: and dana come in the end, we can get a hold of this now, we can't stop it, it is already on the way to wherever it is going. >> dana: i think this conversation is super valuable that we are having here and the one that elon musk and tucker had last night, i do worry these

conversations are happening really late. one of the things that we talked about -- they talked about last night was how, years ago, silicon valley guys got together, they were excited, thw technology, let's see what can happen. and now watching ten wants to get involved? washington is not here to help. i do think it is a valuable conversation. think about, so now we are shocked to find out that the left has already worked its way into artificial intelligence? just like we were shocked to find out that crt was in schools. oh, now that is happening. then you find out that educators have stopped teaching phonics, how did that happen? well, that was also a similar thing. what else is out there that we are not doing. also, on "60 minutes," i think they did a positive view of artificial intelligence. keep watching here at fox news, this morning we had a report about a scam that is being used, let's just imagine your

daughters voice has been taken on ai and somebody calls you and says, i've got your daughter, i want you to send me x amount of money and they put her on the phone, and you know her distinctive cry, and it turns out that was all ai. that is what is happening right now. reported on that out of denver, and i thought, what else could be going -- it makes me want to go back to pen and paper and the bible. let's just go back and reset. >> greg: that would never work with me. >> dana: why? >> greg: i would never pay. >> jeanine: you know, dana, the amazing part of it is we talked about last week, what criminals could do, how they would access it to commit crimes and there you have it within a week. >> harold: they got her voice off social media. >> dana: it's very scary. >> jeanine: out next, defund the police and this is what you get. cops got outnumbered after a huge mob ransacked ag a gas

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♪ ♪ >> joey: the left defund the police nonsense is still wreaking havoc on democrat cities, this time as massive mob about 100 people ransacking the los angeles area gas station, acting like they owned the place and helping themselves to thousands of dollars worth of alcohol and snacks. police said they couldn't intervene because they were outnumbered. i am sure radical district attorney george gascon will let them off with a warning. nearby los angeles, newly elected left-wing mayor karen bass is desperate to add new officers to the force after

losing over a thousand resignations and retirements. >> my number one job as mayor is to keep angelenos safe. but unfortunately, the reality is, the l.a.p.d. is down hundreds of officers. this has been an ongoing trend in l.a. and in cities across the country. and so, i am concerned that the department's recent release of information will cause even more officers to leave. my budget proposal calls for urgent action to hire hundreds of officers next year on the way to restoring the department to full strength. >> joey: judge, i want to know what you think about this. >> jeanine: well, you know, it's very interesting. she wants to replace, i think it is a thousand, hundreds of officers. you can replace them, but when you've got kids in gangs of 500 or more, and a police department that has been beaten down, demeaned, and their arrests are not being supported, where the kids are going in or the defendants or suspects are going

in and then being released within a minute, i mean, you've got law enforcement that is totally demoralized, beaten down to the point where they are not even making arrests. plus, they are being outnumbered. look at this. i have heard all day about cases in compton and los angeles where police have not gotten involved because there is only two or three of them with a gang like this. let me tell you what the problem really is. it started in 2015. you're a member of freddie gray case? where you had the mayor saying something like, you know, you've got to give him a little breath so they can do what they need to do, something like, we gave those who wish to destroy space to destroy, so baltimore burned. it was looted. there were businesses destroyed. and then the chicago mayor yesterday who says, you know, these mass protests, they are just teens rioting, protesting poverty and segregation. then you have everyone kind of apologizing for these kids. and so, we are never going to end any of this destruction and

takedown as long as the laws that are in place state in pl place. you've got police who are not incentivized to make an arrest, a criminal justice system that is incentivized and required by law to release the accused, and it happens every weekend, and nobody is getting upset about it. and so, it is not going to change here i'm telling you, it's not going to change. >> joey: you know, dana, you look at the mayor that was just elected in chicago, we got to let these kids breathe a little, give them a safe place to go be crazy, i guess, and now karen bass is in l.a. and saying no, we need more police officers. is she at least saying the right thing? >> dana: well... yeah, i think she is saying the obvious, they obviously need more police officers bureau if you lose 1,000 police officers, it it is not like you just lost all of the rookies, you lost all of that experience, which means he don't have all of his experience officers in order to train -- same in the military, right? you need to have people who have longevity with the organization and institution in order to make sure the good practices are passed down, and i also felt

like, in her comments, maybe -- if you read the words on paper, it would be one thing, but listening to her, it is like she was reading a mother's day proclamation. where is the concern? i believe in communication, talking about persuasion, you have to meet people where they are in terms of level of concern and your tone. so, where is the conviction? where is the passion? i think she recognizes -- she's caught the car and now she doesn't know what to do, necessarily, because where are you going to find those officers? the other thing is, nobody is talking about the worker. the worker at that gas station. he hid in the bathroom while this was happening, and then he comes out and find, okay, everything is destroyed and there is no consequences. so, what happened to the democrats, in terms of the working people's party? right? who is going to want to go to work if you can do this and have no consequences? >> joey: greg, what dana is

talking about is accountability. what are a thousand police officers going to do if all they can do is stand there and watch it happen? >> greg: we said this yesterday, the irony is if you tell a group of people that they can't have anything in life, that means they can do whatever they want, so there are no consequences and no accountability. why -- you know, an example, they use the phrase "street takeovers," seeing these street takeovers. why? because buttigieg says streets are racist. so, by propagating this ideology of losers, but you have to look back and everything you see is bad, grocery stores are racist, white people inside them are racist, traffic laws are racist, police dogs are racist, roads are racist, then basically it all adds up to a society that has it coming. and this isn't something new. if you remember, during the riots, there were a lot of

liberals in i think magazines, new york magazine and others, that were saying the looting was justified. that is how they get their justice in a world that is racist. what happens is these groups are doing things and they don't care about the consequences because their life is already screwed. meanwhile, society, the majority of society want black and brown people to achieve their biggest dreams. because that helps everybody. we want everybody to be happy. the side that keeps saying that your life sucks because it is irrevocably racist, they are destroying those lives. what you are seeing is the product of a poisonous, toxic left-wing ideology. >> joey: i don't know if alabama fans will be happy. this is much softball as i can give you. we talk about south l.a., compton, southside of chicago, east new york, are there just certain areas in these big cities that no matter what the politicians do, they're just going to have trouble with

things like this? >> harold: i like tough questions. two things. first, we need probably 2000-3000 more officers in los angeles. greg has a better perspective on this, you look at the big cities in the country, the geography of los angeles is just different than chicago or dallas or new york, it is just bigger. you may need -- this is no excuse, don't get me wrong, i agree with a lot and you can say what you guys want to, we put a set of expectations on a lot of these kids. i remember if you were ever doing anything wrong you would never want to film -- they were filming what they were doing. an amazing and astonishing thing to me. i hope, and i said this yesterday on dana's show, i hope the committee that is here in new york that was here yesterday, i hope they traveled to los angeles or san francisco and chicago, and i hope there is a part of what they are doing, i think there is politics involved with everything but two things can be right, there is a crime problem and there's politics. i hope as they do these things and they highlight some of the

shortcomings of what the politicians and the politics in those areas are doing that they perhaps offer some answers. it might be great if you told the city of los angeles, i make this up, they need 2,000, 3,002 officers, we will give you the resources but you've got to change this to get it because if the mayor is wanting this is what we will do to help you. mccarthy in new york yesterday, the things he would do to raise the debt ceiling, they should do that with crime and other things because you think about public safety, it shouldn't be a political issue. it was an issue before when democrats and republicans, we all agreed on what was right and wrong and what i just saw their happen in compton, that was wrong. your parents should be telling you that is wrong and if you are going to do that, your parents should at least tell you, don't film it. >> jeanine: can i say one thing? there was a change between '22 ant '23 in compton, crime going up 81%. that is a signal to the rest of

us that when we are not arresting, more of them are going to come out and commit crimes. it is real easy. >> harold: compton has had a crime problem for a long time. >> jeanine: worse than ever. >> joey: we have to go on this. i hope compton solves its crime problem in america finds a better place for this. up next from a shocking influence of china. the communists, using a secret police force, right here on american soil. ♪ ♪ get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com has helped businesses get over a billion dollars and we can help your business too. qualify your business for a big refund in eight minutes. go to getrefunds.com to get started. powered by innovation refunds.

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♪ ♪ >> harold: china setting up shop right here in american soil. the feds busting two new york residents for operating a secret chinese police station in manhattan and using it to spy on and shakedown chinese dissidents with orders straight from beijing. that if eye of justice called it a significant national security matter. yet the suspects were out on bail within hours. china thinks it is all a smear

campaign. the lawmakers wanting this is just the beginning. >> this is absolutely absurd that the chinese coming as party thinks they can set up their own police station and a place like new york city. >> they have no respect for us. they have no respect for this administration. and its policies. >> it's about time that we do something about it. i mean, why do the chinese need a police station in the united states? why would we even allow it? >> harold: joey, i come to you first fear of i'm amazed that a 21-year-old air force reserve, u.s. air force reserve, would have access to the most highly classified intelligence in our country. now we find that the chinese had police stationed in new york operated by the chinese, spying on chinese citizens and chinese dissidents. how does this happen? it's got to be a little more than politics. i am abhorred by it, too. >> joey: the 21-year-old part doesn't bother me at all. by 19 i had the opportunity to have access at a lot of

information be about 21 had access to all of the information he was privy to and more and went to war and save lives with it. the 21-year-old part does not bother me. what was her and able to log onto jwics, system of information where you can find it. on this, i guess what worries me most, we live in a time where we are absolutely scared to death of how much the government will spy on us if they want to, but on the other side, it is like all of these things happened right underneath their eyes and they just don't care. it has to be they don't care or otherwise why are they finding it? for me, this is just another layer and the cake of hay, we should probably take this china thing a little bit more seriously than we do. making all of the marine generals mad by changing the marine corps almost wholly to fight china in the pacific. i don't know, maybe he is right. maybe that is the next fight. maybe we actually need to prepare for what is next instead of always playing catch-up with no matter who is in charge it seems like what our government does.

sometimes you get too spoiled at too prosperous to keep your eye on the ball and i am worried that is what we are. >> harold: dana, you have an opinion on the scum of the u.s. peace and the china peace? >> dana: this is not new and i also think not just happening in america. our nato partners, also having to deal with this because there chinese dissidents living all over the world. the congressman said why are we allowing this? we are not allowing that, that is why there was this investigation. takes a while to put a case like this together to make sure it doesn't fall apart, and they found the two guys. it is a terrible shakedown situation. they will go and make your life miserable. they will threaten to take away your children, take away all of your money, to expose you, threaten to send you back to china. so then, you feel coerced and it is a terrible, terrible situation that they are doing and it is not just happening in new york, i would look in all of the other cities in america and definitely talk to our nato partners about how bad this is overall because there are american citizens -- like imagine you are chinese dissident and you come here and you work really hard to become a

u.s. citizen and now you are here and you are still being hunted by the chinese communist party. it's a big deal. >> harold: judge, thinks we should be thinking about legally different when we are right now? perhaps the doj? are they equipped enough to handle this job? >> jeanine: of course, i think the doj is very equipped to handle this. a little disappointed that in spite of this investigation the defendants were able to destroy some of the evidence that they had, which was the substance of the case, of the transcriptions between beijing and the two defendants. look, it is clear what they were doing. they didn't have the right to do it here. they say, look -- only in the business of issuing licenses and helping people get their lic license, from china. you can't look at this in a vacuum. you have to look at it in terms of everything else that is going on around it by china and in the world. that is, we just had a spy craft go over our intercontinental ballistic missile sites. and now we've got china that in

2021 has over 400,000 of land in the united states. and china now has online personas and personalities where they're getting american sounding names like joe jones and saying beijing is the best, china is the best, and they are literally tracking you. it is not just tracking you here. you have family in china. at the same time, apparently, whenever a foreign country buys property in the united states, they are required to register with the united states. now, the department of agricultural didn't penalize and didn't monitor between 2015 and 2019 the persians by foreign countries because they say they didn't have enough staff to do it. there is a bill right now being reviewed in committee that the foreign adversary risk management trying to decide whether or not china can be in a position buying more property because they bought acreage in

north dakota which was apparently very close to an air force base with sensitive drone technology. you know, we've got to be smart. i'm not even going to go into the bidens and the money but there is too much at stake here. >> harold: greg, i mean, would senator gutfeld vote for that bill or against that bill? >> greg: i don't know. have to say, had a pretty good a block, don't you think come about ai? on the b block, i nailed it on the mobs and the underlying problem here for the next block, what are we talking about? >> dana: climate. >> greg: i'm going to hit that went out of park. this one, i've got this thing so wrong. i got it so wrong. i just thought, that's -- you know what, this china is looking out for their people. they have a police force -- [laughter] they have a police force in new york city. like, i'm like, that's good -- asians are getting their kicked in the subways come at least they got their own police force there. i was actually jealous. i was jealous of the chinese for having -- imagine having your

own secret police force. it's kind of awesome. so, anyway, yeah, i think it's wrong now that i know what's going on. i think it is a bad thing what they were doing. so, let's just leave it at that. >> joey: coming up next, a bite and official actually praising the positive environmental effects of covid lockdowns. ♪ ♪ rty mutual. they customize your car insurance. so you only pay for what you need! whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> dana: from school closures to millions of jobs lost, covid lockdowns had a devastating impact on society, but not to the climate change folks. a biden official at the state department is actually praising the positive impact they have had on the environment. >> because they were home and when they went outside, they really appreciated how much they enjoyed getting to be in the environment more days than they

would if they would have been in the office. and in fact, we saw pollution levels go down and people went, huh, my quality of life is a little better now that i don't have to worry about whether it is a code red day for smog or air pollution. >> dana: holy cow. don't you remember they closed all the beaches? they arrested people at the parks? >> greg: they poured sand in skateboard parks, and now they are acting like they told us to go outside? going outside is great, you get the vitamin d which is necessary to prevent or at least help prevent disease. they didn't tell us to do that. they told us to take shelter. they mocked people. they wouldn't even have schools allowed to go outside. and by the way, communing with nature was the best part about it, i agree, if you were locked down in leadville, colorado. if you aren't locked down in nyc, the only communing with nature you got was a homeless guy half naked using your stew for a latrine. that is such a live. that is such a lie. they were pro going outside, it

would make sense, but they are lying. >> dana: it seems like the comfort level, harold, was making sure costs go up and then she says and everybody got a chance to work from home, wasn't that great? it was so great that now business they're trying to figure it anything they can do to get people back to work so we can improve the economy. >> harold: this is one of the dumbest things i've heard from a government official. [laughter] i am a believer we have a transition from the energy platform we have today to something different to the next 20 years, but basically telling us you can't drive, you can't live, telling my son we can go to the skateboard parks and you can't ride go carts, you can't fly, can't go to restaurants. we are people. we have to exist. we have to collaborate, we have to be around one another. again, i understand the deal to want to do this with the person of said this for the administration, needs a tutorial on how you talk about these things in a substantive

overhaul because this is not going to win converts and in fact you are losing those of us who were with you. >> dana: joey, imagine, she is in d.c., state department, and her circle of friends were part of the powerful, who were exempt, remember the ones, they got to go to the restaurants and the weddings and everything and everybody else had to sit home. >> joey: yeah, number one come if you talk like a kindergarten teacher but you are not talking to kindergartners you might be a psycho. that's number one. i don't listen to people that talk like kindergarten teachers when they are talking to me. i'm not going to listen to a lot of what she says. on this whole topic is nuclear. we need to just go nuclear everywhere. we should have little homer simpson mushroom cloud looking things in every city. we have the technology now to put small reactors in every neighborhood. the only problem we have had with this is the defense industrial complex wants to keep a monopoly on and it has kept congress afraid of it for too long. now we finally have the ability to put a mom-and-pop plans,

basically garage companies that started in the garage, can use government material improve their concepts, and the more we get, the less this game of solar fields and offshore wind and all of the things that are inefficient and will never work, the less important it is, so nuclear is the way of the future. >> dana: judge? >> jeanine: i think she is crazy. they are saying pollution decreased by 50%. okay, that's wonderful if that is what happened. but here is the thing. in new york city, we all first of all had to have our masks on peer people in new york city had to live in their apartment with nine other people. one got sick, they all got sick but they told us it was better for us and keep your mask on, which was horrible for us, so it is good, pollution is down. you think it is good? that is good, expect the rest of us got sick as -- [laughter] >> dana: do you remember when jesse watters, jesse had a statistic that said greenhouse gas emissions stayed the same. so why are we doing this?

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>> greg: the wheat is finally overcome america. kat timpf's book on shelves, available number 2 on amazon."yy everything is funny, nothing is sacred, and we're all in this together." great message, kat, is that the message you want people to have? >> kat: yes, that is why i wrote that. look, i -- [laughter] it is because i think everything is funny and if you look at the list of stories in this book, a list of stories in this book you would be like there is no way this is a funny book but it is a funny book. there is this idea that the more tragic something is, the less acceptable it is to joke about

it, and in my experience, and in a lot of the research that i found that is in this book, the more tragic something is, the more you need to be able to joke about it to get through it and also to bring people together. >> greg: i have to go to joey now because joey's life is, you know -- >> joey: greg -- >> greg: you made more jokes about your legs. >> joey: i'm really concerned. i have my book. my version of this, that's between you and gave me, and when she signed it, she said "but you really should make less leg jokes." >> kat: i would never. we talked about that and how much it bothers you when you make a joke about your legs and people go awwww. who is it worth more, me or you? >> joey: must be them because i love it. >> kat: right before i started working here at a really rough six months. my mom dad some know mike suddenly, then the man i thought i was going to marry broke up wh up with me at coney island and hung out the rest of the way on the ferris wheel. that was all really tough but

what made it so much tougher was everybody i talked to, i felt like i know mike they couldn't really talk to me because they were so afraid of saying the lo. in addition to being so traumatized, i also felt awkward and uncomfortable and so isolated. and what got me through it was humor because if something is really scary and you joke about it, it takes away the power. >> greg: you read the book. >> dana: first of all, i am really proud of you. >> kat: thank you. >> dana: i can tell you wrote every word and he worked very hard and this is a great moment for you so i hope you can enjoy it. and joke about it, but also enjoy it, and really know we are super proud of you and you did a great job on it. one of the things you say is laughter can be a release that you need in order to deal with grief. there was a part of the book where, one, you talk about a horrible situation medically that you went through, the first time you've ever talked about it publicly -- >> kat: yes, horrific. >> dana: chapter three. >> greg: chapter five -- >> dana: excuse me, chapter five. there is another part on the anniversary of your mom's death,

i think you posted an instagram picture and you said, if you could tell people about that and the reaction and how you are like, what were you talking about? >> kat: the first mother's day after my mom died, i was so upset, everyone is posting all of their mother's day pictures, i stayed quiet. the second time i already had kind of understood what humor could do so i posted an instagram picture of my laundry basket and a bottle of tide and i just wrote "mom's dead, going to do some laundry" and it made me laugh and i felt better but people are commenting "that's so offensive," and i'm like, to whom? did you know her? like, are you upset on behalf of his dead person that i came out of this person's body, i think maybe it affects me a little more than you who have never met her. these people think they are being compassionate when they do this, and actually, they are being insensitive, and they think that i am being insensitive for making myself feel better? because also, a lot of people have gone through this, they said seeing me handle it that wings help them handle it that way feel more comfortable. >> greg: george? >> jeanine: i think it does help you get through tough stuff. if you do it for a living,

horrible, horrible things can we have to laugh about if your love your chapter, the comedy is your religion, and you talk about how you were a strict catholic. >> kat: yes, i was a strict catholic. >> jeanine: you got over it. >> kat: i would love nothing more than to believe in god again and i hope i do at some point in my life, but at this point in my life, comity, i think, really can bring people together, can give meaning to my life, has healing powers for me and that is what i have right now and really what is missing is there is really no forgiveness. assembly makes the wrong joke, it's like, that can be the end of your career. and there is forgiveness in the old testament that goes easier than that, like leviticus is an eye for an eye. leviticus is not a chill book, it is very fire and brimstone. so i think if we are treating jokes more seriously than the old testament was treating sins, we are doing something wrong. >> greg: last word, harold. >> harold: not that i'm able to keep a sense of humor despite every thing being so awful around me, it's that i'm able to handle everything being so awful because i have a sense of humor. i would argue it is awful or good, hope everybody read the book, that is the lesson i take

from it and from you. >> kat: thank you. >> jeanine: congratulations feared >> kat: thank you so much. >> greg: her new book is "you can't joke about that," you better buy it or we are not friends anymore. "one more thing" is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ when you're a small-business owner, . a lot. ♪ .

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>> greg: that's terrible. >> harold: jim a pennsylvania retiree taking a swing at his dream. he is 5 # years old. retired two years in the military. 40 years u.s. postal service on the baseball team in a montgomery county community college. he had to go through trials. he had to do like everybody else. getting no special treatment. he practices three hours a day monday through friday. i saw some pictures earlier in the week. the guy can swing. i wish him nothing but the best. >> judge jeanine: all right, greg. >> greg: good swing. all right. 11:00 p.m. great show emily compagno, paul morrow, drew pins ski and kat timpf. that's it for me. >> dana: a guy on a hunting trip and walked away 150 miles away. and he went on this epic journey. we have no idea what happened. the nuke's owner found out he was in what else professional athlete this guy finished third

in the pro-singles beanbag toss corn hole is what it is called. seen there sponsored by bush's baked beans and mike's hard lemonade. you get it done, boy. >> judge jeanine: that's it for tuesday. actually we have a few more seconds anything else? >> harold: congrats to jesse. >> judge jeanine: hey, gillian. >> gillian: hi, judge. thank you. ♪ >> gillian: good evening from washington. i'm gillian turner in for bret baier. congressional republicans press their case that the coronavirus pandemic originated in a chinese research lab in wuhan. a new senate report claims the evidence points to undetected aerosol leak during vaccine research that was backed up today by the former director of national intelligence. his position was once ridiculed as a right wing conspiracy theory. we begin tonight with correspondent bill melugin he joins us in washington. >> continues to pick up a whole lot of steam. a brand new released