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congress all about it. that's where we start on thursday morning as we get rolling here. i'm bill hemmer live in new york. >> dana: good morning, i'm dana perino. there is a lot of news. bombshell allegations come from an unnamed i.r.s. supervisor asking congress for whistleblower protection so he can tell them how the administration is mishandling the hunter biden tax probe. >> bill: that investigation started back in 2018. white house repeatedly promising to stay out of it. this agent says it has done anything but. according to his lawyer, he has receipts to prove it. >> my client wants to come forward to congress. he is ready to be questioned about what he knows and what he experienced under the proper legal protections. >> would you find any evidence or allegation of a political agenda? >> no. to him the truth is one truth. he wants to come forward with it. the things he has been through

are very well documented in emails and other communications with the department of justice. >> dana: this is another blow for president biden. he is struggling with low approval numbers and continues to stall the launch of his re-election campaign. >> bill: mark meredith on the president's growing list of challenges. karl rove with analysis. let's start with the news and more on this whistleblower with mike emanuel. >> good morning to you. this whistleblower wants to tell congress what he knows about the mishandling of the hunter biden probe. the attorney says he has information on prefer wrensal treatment in politics and sensitive investigation of a high profile subject. it is the hunter biden criminal probe according to a source. his client made legally protected disclosures internal le at the i.r.s. and they contradict sworn testimony to

congress by a senior political appointee, a source familiar points to this testimony. >> he has been advised that he is not to be denied anything that he needs and if that were to happen, it should ascend to the department's ranks. i haven't heard anything from that office to suggest that they are not able to do everything the u.s. attorney wants to do. >> the house oversight chairman says it appears the biden administration may have been working overtime to prevent the biden family from facing any consequences. >> i don't see how joe biden could not be compromised. these family members aren't energy experts. they weren't on boards. at least with burisma hunter actually sat on a board. >> the white house press secretary was asked about the whistleblower this morning. >> right now as you know we've been clear to not comment on anything related to any type of investigation so that is something that we have been

very, very diligent about and referring that to the department of justice. >> and the justice department has not responded to our request for comment. bill. >> thanks for that. we've been waiting five years. see whether or not this is the one what moves it forward. nice to see you in washington. >> i've come here today to announce my candidacy for the democratic nomination for president of the united states. [cheers and applause] >> dana: robert f. kennedy junior making it official launching his 2024 presidential campaign joining marianne williamson challenging president biden for the democratic nomination. the president is yet to announce his bid for a second term. there might be news on that today. mark meredith is live in washington with more. >> president biden has two challengers for the 2024 democratic nomination. today there are signs an official biden campaign launch may be days away. next week will mark four years since biden launched his 2020

campaign bid and reports major democratic donors will be in d.c. next week. the gathering is the latest in a series of discussions and planning meetings between the white house and dnc officials. on wednesday robert f. kennedy junior, the nephew of john f. kennedy launched his own bid saying his goal is to reshape how washington works. >> we need to get rid of this kind of corporate control of our government. it comes from this -- our democracy is devolving in a corporate >> tim scott will give a speech in maryland before heading to iowa making two stops in the hawkeye state in the faith of america tour. florida ron desantis spend

wednesday in south carolina, another early primary state he told the crowd he is eager to keep politics out of america's classrooms. >> it is wrong to tell a second grader that they were born in the wrong body. it is wrong to teach kids they can change their gender. [applause] and in florida we've made sure that gender ideology has no place in our k-12 schools. >> he has yet to say if and when he will launch his own presidential bid. growing questions about his support in his own state after several florida lawmakers endorsed former president trump for 2024 over potential desantis bid. >> dana: thank you. we'll talk more about that as well. >> bill: try to tie it in with karl rove. nice to see you in austin, texas. a couple things i want to make note of here and mention this whistleblower and point out the significance in a moment. you write today in the "wall

street journal" frail or forceful biden keeps stumbling. his refusal to bend on the debt doesn't make the situation look better, maybe worse. the key moment you point out the back and forth between the president and ireland and how hunter biden was trying to help him along a rope line and you point out the feebleness of that moment. you've got that and you've got this whistleblower and a donor meeting on behalf of joe biden maybe seeking a second term. how does it look to you right now? >> well look, it doesn't look good. it's painful to watch the video of the president in ireland. he is confused and old. he doesn't understand the child's question. hunter has to tell him what the question is. he wants to know what is key to success in life is and biden tells this long rambling story about involving jesse helms and the point is you can disagree

with your opponents but don't question their motives. i this i to myself on the big issue raising the debt creeling but you refused to negotiate. it is at odds with what he is doing at home. everything is politics. the problem for the president is he is in trouble. look at this. this is monmouth poll in late march. 44% of democrats -- of democrats say biden should step aside. 30% say we don't have a preference. those people are being polite. they don't want him to run. only 25% say we would prefer that he run again. now that's while he has 74% approval among democrats. lower than it should be. nonetheless three out of four democrats like him and think well of him but 44% say don't run, 30ers -- 30%. we don't want him to run.

only a quarter of us say i'm for joe for a second term. this is the president's fundamental problem and springs from who he is and how he handled himself over the last two years. >> dana: as the biden donors get together, on the republican side of things. the donors on the biden side want to know what will happen on the republican side. you have really let's talk about former president trump and ron desantis. so this week desantis went to congress and hoping to shore up support. he didn't get it including from home state folks. here is a number of endorsements and supporters that trump and desantis has. trump has nine senators, 46 representatives. desantis 0 senators and three representatives. i wanted to ask you about this. congressman stubey gave on the record comments after that meeting with desantis and his reasons for endorsing trump. he said that he endorsed trump after desantis left him out of events in florida, didn't call when he was hurt earlier this

year. trump immediately called to check on him. do these congressional endorsements for either man matter at this point? what about that s streaks -- stubey anecdote. >> suzie wiles and two pros are running the trump campaign and they are better than anybody who has been in there before and they were smart enough to say suzie is from florida and smart enough to say a weakness for desantis is to show that his home state is not united behind him. traditionally you have had to have a state -- your home state united behind you to win the nomination. there have been instances john mccain was not popular with some elements of the arizona republican party and won the nomination. but politics is you start with your base and your base ought to be your home state. they very carefully and smartly moved to get a lot of members of

the florida delegation to endorse trump early. they may not be able to keep up that velocity, that tempo but went ahead and did it early to highlight that desantis is not a a warm and fuzzy guys who calls to check in and heard you had an accident, what's going on, how quick are you going to get back on your feet. i happen to see the great comment you made on "fox news sunday." really good, that was a great moment. how are you doing, pal? that's not the warm and fuzzy desantis. he is i got an agenda and get it done and it will make florida a better place to live. >> bill: thank you, karl. to be continued, right? >> dana: so much. >> bill: in fact, we will continue it in august when we host the first republican primary debate of this election cycle. how many will be on the stage? it's a pretty good question right now. third week in august. milwaukee, wisconsin, see you there. meantime there is this.

>> dana: we're minutes away from the test of the launch of the most powerful rocket ever made. star ship is set to blast off from texas. if successful the spacex star ship could be used to take people to the moon and even mars. monday's test run was scrubbed due to a frozen valve. we're watching with great interest this morning. i feel it's going to go today. >> bill: it may. we've never seen anything like this. it is unmanned. we'll see how it turns out. there are 33 engines beneath the largest rocket ever put into orbit. so if musk can do it today, it should happen momentarily. scrubbed yesterday. right now it's still on. stand by on that. there is this from the hill yesterday. did you hear it? >> when you ask how much money

is the taliban getting from these programs they couldn't answer because they don't know. >> bill: are your tax dollars going to the taliban today? we'll ask mike waltz out of florida coming up shortly. >> dana: the end of title four is weeks away and huting more pressure on border agents who are stretched to the absolute limit. we have a live report on that. >> bill: high-risk home buyers getting a helping hand from the government and maybe from you, too. maria bartiromo, what it could mean for the housing market and more. lower your monthly payments with the three c's: pay down your credit cards, pay off your car loan, consolidate your debt with a va home loan from from newday. subway keeps upping their game with the subway series. an all-star menu of delicious subs. there's the philly, the monster, the boss. if i hadn't seen it in person, i wouldn't have believed it. eating is believing steph. the subway series. try subway's tastiest menu upgrade yet.

>> dana: president biden is expected to meet with the tennessee three at the white house next week. it refers to the three democrats who took bull horns to the floor of the state capitol during a gun control protest. two of the lawmakers were

initially expelled and now reinstated. as for the three kids and three adults killed in the mass shooting, none of their families receiving an invitation from the white house. peter doocy questioning the press secretary on that yesterday. >> so monday you will have three of the lawmakers who protested after -- >> peacefully protested. >> after the nashville covenant school shooting. have any of the victims or victims' families been invited to the white house? >> i don't have anything to read out to you about any invite. >> why? >> i don't have anything at this time to read out any invite. >> dana: that's the answer she has and probably delivered that answer the best. you wonder what the thinking is from the oval office of why. >> bill: they're new lawmakers in nashville and took bull horns to the floor of the house chamber. in the rule book for the state house, you have to maintain decorum. that was the punishment that was

handed down. i think a lot of it is lost in the argument. you can't take a bull horn, right? >> dana: i also wonder it was like when you sign up on terms and conditions do you agree to the terms and conditions and check the box yes and move on. who reads the whole rule book? they probably knew bull horns were wrong. i think some was provocative on purpose but republicans are looking at themselves what have we done now and how to move forward? this is supposed to be about gun violence and they're coming off a mass shooting. the oval office deciding not to invite those families. >> bill: this from yesterday on the taliban. >> it is critical that our assistance not be diverted by the taliban. unfortunately, as i sit here today, i cannot assure this committee or the american

taxpayer we are not currently funding the taliban. >> bill: a new chapter in the disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan. top inspector general warning a house panel that your taxpayer dollars may be ending up in the hands of the taliban. republican from florida michael waltz member of the house foreign affairs committee. good morning to you. tough to get answers on this. do you think they moved the ball at all or is the news that's coming out of there worse than we think? >> i think it's worse than we think. right now everyone is in the dark. antony blinken the secretary of state ignored multiple subpoenas from the head of foreign affairs, mike mccaul. he just missed a deadline this week. in fact, ignored outreach from the democrat chair last year on this. all we're asking for is a dissent cable and a few other

documents. diplomats in july of 2021 in kabul say the government is falling and it is coming unraveled yet the state department won't let us see that. they say we have to protect the signers. we can redact the signers. we need transparency. my question is, what do they have to hide? the president and everyone else in his administration said it was an outstanding success. on the aid, this is billions of dollars going through the hands of third parties, including the u.n., and then to ngos in afghanistan. guess what the taliban is doing? they're registering themselves as international ngos and take that money and they literally make life and death decisions you are with us you might get a little bit. not with us you die. meanwhile al qaeda is in bed with the taliban. i guarantee you that money is getting diverted. i'm hearing from people still

over there that it is. >> bill: it is maddening to hear about. the state department is not providing the cable. i don't know. this is the statement that came out. discussions with the committee about next steps are ongoing but the department is again offered a briefing, call for number two. we continue to believe our offers can provide the committee with the information it needs to conduct its oversight function while still protecting the dissent channel. why would they give a briefing and not put something in writing? why would that be? >> you don't have a whistleblower or dissent against an agency and then the agency gets to distill that and tell you and brief you what was in there. we want to see the actual document. and again, why the lack of transparency if the president is standing before the world saying it was the right thing to do and doubling down saying it was an outstanding success. let us see what these brave diplomats who had the courage to stand up and say it will be a

disaster, let us see the gold star fame lalls deserve transparency and diplomats themselves deserve it and the american people do, too. the last thing we should be doing is funding the taliban on this notion we can work with the good terrorists against the bad terrorists. we made a deal with the devil and it is going to be a disaster. >> bill: sorry for talking over you. i want to play that sound bite from the special inspector general for afghanistan reconstruction. listen. >> i don't trust the taliban as far as you can throw them. i would just say i haven't seen a starving taliban fighter on tv. they all seem to be fat x dumb and happy. i see a lot of starving afghan children on tv. i wonder where all the funding is going. >> bill: he said since the administration came in it has been radio silence. last comment. >> i think at this point we have

to go after the state department's budget. talking to appropriators about it and 0 this funding out until we can certify it is going to the right people and even then i don't know if it's even possible. by the way, the other thing he testified the inspector general yesterday at the current rate it will take 31 years to get out the people that we left behind and that makes me want to take this podium and throw it through a window. it is wrong, infuriating. i don't know how blinken can collect a paycheck with a straight face every day and why he hasn't resigned for leaving these people behind and leaving americans behind. >> bill: we'll stay on it. thank you for your time today. thank you. >> thank you. >> if their application is denied or if they attempt to cross into the united states unlawfully, they will be returned back to mexico and will not be eligible for this program after that. >> dana: president biden

promised people who crossed the border illegally would be stopped. but the possible end of title 42 just three weeks away and the "new york post" is calling his bluff saying biden lied. casey stiegel is live in el paso, texas where he can tell us with his own eyes what's happening. >> good to see you. the post is saying it based on the fact that those and thousands of migrants continue to pour across the southern border illegally and here in el paso, for instance, i can tell you that shelters are overcapacity. about 150%, in fact. right now they are averaging more than 300 releases a day just here in el paso. when authorities say they've got to capacity to house roughly 500 migrants each night between multiple shelters. homeland security brass have said when title 42 ends three weeks from today the number of illegal migrants trying to enter from mexico could reach 13,000 a day across the entire southern

border. so many communities are bracing themselves down here as groups of migrants waiting in mexico grow. >> we know the numbers. we know we have 35,000 people in the -- the reason they get here faster is because they want to get in front of the line. >> st. francis church in el paso is an ngo that is helping by way of housing and assisting migrants with their needs. once released by cbp into america, more than 1 million migrant apprehensions have been reported already nationwide since the start of this fiscal year october 1st. >> dana: we'll watch the numbers and watch the board are through your eyes. thanks. >> bill: so near the border in the far southeastern reaches of texas and in the town of boeck

-- this is a star ship from elon musk and spacex. we're about to watch an unmanned lift-off of the largest spaceship ever launched. this is massive. if you compare it to what the shuttle used to look like or falcon rocket or saturn five. starship is larger than all of them. what we'll see is a lift-off. 33 giant engines underneath and they'll go across the gulf of mexico and eventually separate and want to bring them both back to earth. in this case landing in water to see if they can do it successfully to take large and heavy payloads deep into space. i can hear it in my ear. let's see whether or not 40 seconds is the case. now we're hearing there might be a pause.

let's listen. [silence] >> bill: so it was held yesterday and it might be two days ago, thank you, and we thought we might get lift off

today. maybe it hasn't or doesn't >> dana: one of the things that elon musk says his biggest worry was the top concerns was the engines and he said a problem with one engine could destroy other engines. on monday it was a frozen valve that caused the delay. they just want to be certain. this is a huge investment and all eyes are on it as you can see. we're watching it, too. this is amazing in terms of leaps forward for mankind you are watching it right here. >> bill: musk sees this, when successful, as a giant paradigm shift for taking cargo, taking men and women into space, and to give you an idea, spacex will aim for what is considered 90% thrust. not at full capacity power but close to it. nine out of ten. >> dana: why?

>> bill: i think they want to do it successfully first before they floor that accelerator for the next time. they have something close to what's called -- equivalent to the force needed to send 100 concord supersonic airlines at take-off. >> dana: look on your screen. a little of what you are describing. you look at the size of the starship compared to all the others. you mention the space shuttle. the first one on the left. the power here is really extraordinary. >> bill: former astronaut tom jones with us now. i think once an astronaut, almost one. tell us how significant this is as we watch together. >> bill and dana, this is a significant test flight not only for spacex and its satellite business and potential space tourism business, but also a

vital first step for nasas moon landing ambitions, the artemis test we saw in descending a craft around the moon is supposed to team up with the starship on this launch for astronauts returning to the moon. it has to work. a number of other test flights to demonstrate lunar landing have to occur so the starship can take place against the oh wry onand fulfill that obligation. >> dana: little a bit away for another attempt at the 45 second countdown clock. >> a brief hold at the t minus 40 second march. they are resolving one issue on a stage two raptors. the teams are working and flags cleared as we speak. resume the launch countdown any moment. >> bill: super cool.

play-by-play for this. not sure what action will take place on the field. tom, maybe this thing goes 30 seconds from now. but when you think about the significance of this launch and how musk characterizes each test. he believes every test is important because you collect data to be more successful the next time out, tom. >> that's a good strategy for success. test frequently and learn from mistakes and failures and then you it rate your way towards successful performance of the new generation rocket. it is an impressive vehicle. twice the thrust of the apollo program. more powerful than the artemis one launch last november in nasa. great capability if it can work we're on to success for a lunar test. >> 3, 2, one.

[cheering] >> chamber pressure nominal. 43 seconds into the test flight of the inaugural first vehicle. the first stage is nominal. what a sight. they're flying at twice the thrust to fly men into space.

>> going through the period of maximum aero dynamic pressure. velocity increases the dense of the atmosphere is decreasing lessening stress on the vehicle. continuing to watch the first stage as we head down range. 100 seconds into flight. our next major activity is of the first stage. houston tracking station now acquiring the vehicle. we'll get separation of starship and ignition of the star ship

engines. it will light up six engines in a staggered sequence. if all goes well they'll all burn in 6 1/2 minutes. on board view from starship. and other raptor engines on the second stage as we prepare for stage separation. after stage separation the first stage will flip and begin a boost back maneuver for landing in the gulf. continuing to fly, two minutes 40 seconds. let's get ready for main engine cut-off. >> main engine cut-off. >> beginning the flip for stage separation.

>> we're awaiting stage separation right now. the starship should separate from the super heavy booster. >> right now it looks like we saw the start of the flip. we're seeing from the ground cameras the entire starship stack continuing to rotate. we should have had separation by now. obviously this does not appear to have a nominal situation. >> it does appear to be spinning but i want to remind everyone that everything after clearing the tower was icing on the cake.

and there, as you saw, as we promised an exciting end to the starship inaugural integrated test flight. [cheering] >> everyone here is pumped to clear the pad and make it this far into the test flight. the first integrated flight of the booster and starship vehicle. >> our control center at star base which is referred to as star command. as we said before, we wanted to make it all the way through, but to get this far honestly is amazing. >> if you are just joining us,

starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly during assent. now this was a development test. the first test flight of starship and the goal was to gather the data. as we said clear the pad and get ready to go again. so you never know exactly what's going to happen but as we promised, excitement is guaranteed. starship gave us a rather spectacular end to an incredible test thus far. >> as we mentioned at the start of today's program, any and all the data that we collected during the test is going to help us with further development of starship and it will improve the vehicle's reliability as spacex seeks to make life multi-plan tore. it is worth noting. >> bill: we've been waiting as you have been waiting to find out whether or not it worked. i think we can say partial success. i think they would characterize it differently, but the entire operation did not go as expected

for spacex. >> dana: they did say tom jones former nasa astronaut, even though it didn't get the ultimate success of the goal, as i understood it listening to them even what they were able to do was a great leap forward. >> right. they got the lift-off of the very powerful first stage. the super heavy booster. that got up into the upper atmosphere. i noticed during the assent several of the engines we could see on the cameras were shut down so they were having problems controlling the attitude or pointing of the rocket as it proceeded upward and so it eventually went out of control and tumbled and finally detonated after the structural failure occurred on the booster. only the first stage got tested. the second stage starship didn't get into action and it will have to wait for another test flight. >> bill: we saw musk sitting front row in the picture in the control room there. the initial stage still may be

successful. i think it was scheduled to come back to the gulf of mexico in belly flop in the water and be recovered. the second portion was supposed to circum navigate the world and land in the pacific. the first part still may happen but wait on word whether or not it was manageable given the separation problems we just saw. >> they were supposed to descend with the booster under control to the ocean surface. it didn't happen. the ship came apart. they will have to complete another test flight and try this recovery of the first stage again and get the starship into orbit and around a planet and do a successful reentry. the test program to make the human landing system for astronauts returning to the moon. >> bill: how quickly could they try it again? >> within a few months. have to find out the cause of the engine out and control problems and they'll try again. >> bill: thank you so much. >> dana: thank you, tomorrow.

amazing. i want to bring in maria bartiromo to talk about other things as well having a chance to watch this with you. i'm curious about what you think about america as a risk taker, right, innovation and how this actually continues that tradition and helps us continue to grow, even if it wasn't successful you try, learn and try again. >> i'm glad you phrased it that way. that's right. this is american innovation at its best and we see that america is not afraid to try new things, go where nobody has gone before. we're seeing that play out if realtime. i thought it was compelling watching this with you. it was like wow, we're watching this take place in realtime and again it shows you that america is not afraid to stick our neck out and try new things, innovate not just on space but medical breakthroughs so much happening. you know the american dream is alive. >> bill: what wonder what beijing is thinking as they look

at it from afar? >> how will we beat america. >> bill: we read every day how china is getting step ahead of us. >> they are on a number of ways, but if we can still keep our investments and inbegin yu tee in space as well as medical breakthrough space america can still win this. >> dana: it was wonderful to be here and be able to watch it with you. we also are talking about other things with you today in the economy and one of them was something i didn't know about. new mortgage rules have gone into place and this could cost high credit score home buyers. >> this is beginning may one. it is redistribution is what it is. you are redistributing high-risk mortgages and loans. this is what we did back in 2005 and 2006 which led to the biggest blow-off ever in terms

of the housing market and took us down the road of the worst financial recession in a generation. basically what you have going on is larger down payments and credit scores to redistribute risky mortgages so those people with a strong and good credit score actually pay the bill for those mortgages that are much riskier for those people who don't have that kind of credit score. >> bill: the reason why this is popping up on radar now in part is because california is thinking about doing the same thing with energy bills. those who are more affluent would pay higher bills than those less off. it would be another form of redistribution. >> or you could call it socialism. that's what it is. you are punishing people who have done the right thing. the same thing with the student loan crisis. those people who worked hard to come up with the money to go to college and pay off that debt

are now in the back rearview mirror. the president is all about forgiving student loan debt for those who chalked up all the debt. socialism. >> dana: history repeats itself. i know you remember it. i remember it very well there in 2008. thank you so much. >> bill: thanks. transportation secretary pete buttigieg gearing up to take heat from republicans today and how he handled the plane, train and automobile crisis so far. we'll get a measure of that. a fight over title ix breaking out at espn. how biggest names are breaking with the biggest brass over trans athletes in women's sports.

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>> dana: house gearing up to vote on a bill to prevent biological males from participating in women's sports. president biden vowing to -- >> the house votes later this morning on the bill. republicans argue it is all about fairness. it protects women from competing against transgender athletes in sports. >> it's cheating. this is why we love sports so much is because the fairness element of it and why we don't allow deflated footballs. if we allow men into women's sports, why have any laws or rules about doping or steroids whatsoever? >> the bill imposes a national standard barring transgender athletes from playing sports against women and blocks federal money from going to leagues or schools which don't stick to the policy. democrats say the gop should stay out of it especially since schools are trying to establish

their own rules for sports. >> there is this creepy idea this bill will require genital inspections of children. this is outrageous. all children are the creation of god. not up to you to decide which children don't belong. >> republicans contend democrats are undermining title ix created to develop more opportunities for women. they say allowing transgender athletes to compete against women discriminates against females. >> they are trying to say that we are going after trans kids which is completely false. republicans aren't saying that children male or female can't compete in athletics. you can. but you have to compete in the gender and biological gender that you are. >> transgender sports have become a major motivator for conservatives augmented by the recent controversy over bud light. >> dana: thank you.

>> bill: espn's star lineup breaking from the network call for fairness in women's sports. two major players arguing transgender athletes should not be competing in women's sports after the white house expanded title ix protections to include gender identity. the newest member of the outkick team is here in new york. welcome to our team. >> i'm so excited to be here. >> bill: let's get into it, okay? so samantha ponder and sage steel broke with the network. tweets from them. ponder say it's a shame we need to fight for the integrity of title ix in 2023. also steele says i think i will wake up and be relieved it was a ridiculous, comical, nonsensical dream. what happens to them? >> that's the question. espn has been adamant about keeping politics out of their programming. you just saw late last month

they did a tribute during women's month for leah thomas. it doesn't seem like they're keeping politics completely out of the mix. i have to commend these two women for standing up for these women who are losing so much of the success that they worked so hard for. here you have a man who enters the women's division and let's be quite honest about lia thomas. as a man, didn't really do much. didn't move the needle. run of the mill swimmer. enters the women's devision and broke records and obliterating success these women could hope to reach. as far as espn i don't know what their plan is whether they talk to these women or address it on air. i would hope that this would be something that they would address. up to this point they have remained completely mum on the topic. i am not sure exactly what happens. i know sage has been a huge advocate for women and their rights and very outspoken. >> bill: you hear more and more

people speak up with a similar voice. >> dana: one of the things i wondered is about the retired already successful, already rich women who have made their money, made their fame in women's sports and will not stand up for women in women's sports. i don't get it. >> i don't get it, either. >> dana: i get it. we get it. we know what's going on. >> i think there are a lot of women uncomfortable standing up for women's rights because they don't want to be considered politically incorrect now because now -- it is crazy where the world has gone and where this conversation has gone. it is a very slippery slope. when you look at this is swimming we're talking about, the main issue where we've really seen a transgender permeate the women's world. there are so many other sports far more aggressive than swim ming that are team sports. soccer, basketball. how about even just an average

male athlete enters that world? what will happen to women? it will become dangerous. >> dana: and track and field. >> bill: i wonder if lia thomas could have done this in any other league other than the ivy league. maybe not. you are here now. why did you leave espn? >> i'm a very opinionated person. i love that about myself. at espn i was stifled. a lot of conversations and issues that permeated the world of sports and society in general that i wasn't able to speak up about. i felt like i wasn't being true to myself. a place like outkick that the idea of cancel culture does not exist and clay travis stands behind everyone who works at the company and says listen, say whatever you want as long as you are convicted in what you are saying and you really believe in it. you have nothing to worry about. that is the exact type of company i would like to work

for. >> bill: welcome. do you ever read sports? >> a little bit here and there. depends. >> dana: give me pointers. i could use mentoring. >> you do a nice job. >> dana reads sports. >> dana: the golden state warriors banning a musical instrument ahead of game three. the reason, too much cowbell. we think, however, charlie, there is no such thing as too much cowbell. one video shows a fan ringing his bell right next to warrior's general manager the entire game. i don't know how he didn't -- i would have gone nuts. that is a bit of a nuisance. i would say it's assault. >> bill: definitely harassment. >> dana: they lost again wednesday night and down two games to none against the sacramento kings. >> bill: where is the usher on

that? >> only present when it serves them correctly. i don't want to get in anyone's way. >> dana: that team had a lot of zen. >> bill: charlie, welcome. we'll dive into a ton of stuff. thank you, charlie. right now wal-mart is closing down all locations in portland, oregon after wave after wave of violent shoplifters target the stores there. portland is not alone. madison al worth is here. >> last year retailers lost 95 billion in retail shoplifting. when you have persistent and violent shoplifting you wind up in situations like this. rite aid closed down because of issues with theft. it is not just an issue for rite aid and for the community. the customers are being directed to go to another store to fill

their needs to get the drugs they rely on in their daily life. we reached out to rite aid for a comment. a higher level of brazen shoplifting and organized retail crime. our team has partnered with local police trow ig to help make arrests. the issue is even when arrests are made the problem doesn't always disappear. last year in new york city there were over 22,000 shoplifting arrests and just 327 individuals accounted for 30% of those arrests. what that means is they get arrested, they are released and they steal again. it is forcing multiple companies to close down stores in cities where crime is high. rei will close the portland store. wal-mart is also closing stores in chicago as well. leaving gaps in the community and higher prices on the shelves.

>> it is a crime with real victims when you talk about $95 billion in shrink losses per year, which was our latest numbers, that is a lot of money and that is the kind of thing that is going to increase prices for everyone eventually. >> one of the big problems there is a market for these stolen goods. resale market is strong with all the options online. >> bill: that sign to your right is seen on just about every block in this city. madison, live in new york, nice to see you. >> they came today because they want answers. they came here today because of the failures of you and your leadership. they came here because they want closure. they deserve answers. mr. mayokas, will you turn around and offer them your condolences and apology?