>> sandra: congress taking up big changes president biden is pushing to title ix regarding women in school sports but no matter the vote, critics say there are some things that no amount of woke will ever change. >> i don't care how many surgeries you have, i don't care how many chemicals you put into your body, you are not going to be a biological woman. >> john: new at 2:00, brian kilmeade is with us to weigh in

on the growing controversy and what the future holds for women's sports and the fight to keep it fair. >> sandra: and for most americans no greater measure of success than buying a home. only under president biden your success will now mean higher mortgage rates and you'll have to help folks who don't have good credit scores. larry kudlow does not like it one bit. >> defaulting -- i can ruin my own credit. did we forget about 2008? >> sandra: good question, larry. he had a lot to say on this controversy move as we were learning about it last night. so, he is here for round two on "america reports." welcome back as we roll into a second hour. sandra smith in new york. >> john: john roberts in washington. as you can imagine, larry has a lot to say coming up. >> by the year 2000, we should succeed in seeing that every 8-year-old can read

independently. today 40% of our nation's 8-year-olds are not reading as well as they should. and that is the main reason we have launched america reads. >> reading is the new civil right. cornerstone of hope and opportunity in america. and we are going to make sure every child has the opportunity to learn to read. i'm going to ask congress to spend money on teacher training. >> study after study show children with a high quality early education earn moreover their lifetime than peers. early education is one of the best investments we can make, not just in a child's future. >> sandra: president after president promising to reform early childhood education to make sure our nation's children can read and spending millions after millions trying to do it. >> john: more and more of america schools are not only not

teaching kids to read but a method many educators have dismissed, successfully used across the country for decades. >> sandra: now passionately pushing for schools to push back to the basics, the hooked on phonices approach, some school districts are firing back and telling parents not to interfere in the classroom. bill bennett is moments away on that. he's got a lot to say. jen is a former ohio teacher along with other parents are pushing for schools for the phonnics approach. >> we need to go back to what we know works, having students pay attention to the text that they are reading instead of being cued to look at pictures or

context cues. when we do that, we can have a student looking at the text of a word pony and they look at the picture and see the word -- they see a horse and you can see where we start to move away from learning how to read a word. and that's kind of where we have been the last at least decade is we have moved away from explicit and systematic teaching to more of a balanced literacy kind of the thought of learning to read from loving to read and we need to refocus back on teaching kids how to read. >> sandra: i think it's important our audience understands what the new method is that parents and educators are speaking out about, at a time when we are having serious problems with our literacy rates in this country, only to just have those kids pass on through, graduate them, send them out to the world, some not even reading at basic grade level when they

graduate high school. an example of the cueing method of teaching reading, kindergarten class in south dakota. >> looked at the picture and look at the words and you can easily read this because there is just one picture to go with one word. help me read it. >> cookies is the picture, this word starts with the c, you know it says cookies. easy. >> sandra: jen, i want to show this instructional video, guess the word method. >> mom and dad will really mmm us, said ivy. we are going to see if the picture helps us to figure out what that word would be. >> sandra: examples of getting away from the phonics way of sound it out, two different

words, the word the letters sound and in this case you saw on the video they completely blocked the word and they associate the missing word with the picture in the book. what is the problem you see with that and other educators? >> with we cue kids to look away from the text we run into a problem when the text no longer has pictures as they grow older. so while in kindergarten and 1st grade a student might be able to look at a picture and guess the word from the context or only look at the beginning letter and try and guess what word might make sense as they get older and their text begin to get harder they don't have a picture to look at, and that's where we have comprehension issues coming in or fourth and 5th grade teachers having to go back and teach kids to decode, seeing it manifest even as kids get older. >> sandra: so you are getting help at the highest level, your governor is helping you and other parents fight back.

so far what is your -- where are you with these efforts? >> so i'm really encouraged by them. i follow along in texas and in florida and other states where this map has already kind of been drawn. he's starting to say we need explicit and systematic curriculum in our schools and we are going to look at the programs that either meet or don't meet that requirement. and we are also going to add in the piece that i think is as important is professional development for the teachers because we have teachers now and i was a teacher, i love my kids' teachers, but some of them don't know how to teach to read. they need that help from the professional development aspect which is governor dewine is also adding that into certain mandates that he's talking about. >> sandra: such an incredibly important subject and we really wanted to shine light on parents' efforts to step in and

do what they see right for their children and those educators that are joining you in that fight as we work to improve literacy in this country. it's been a huge problem for a long time. a lot of people have taken a stab at this, we'll see where we get. thank you very much for joining us and telling us your story, jen. >> thank you. >> john: bill bennett, former reagan education secretary and fox news contributor. bill, i swear you must have been 12 when you were education secretary. to start us off on this. >> thank you. >> john: how did we get so far astray from the old way, tried and true way which was based on phonics. >> well, we have done a lot of things which are dumb. justice holm said there are fashions in the intellectual world as well as elsewhere. we followed fashion. doing it for years, try a new way. traditional was a synonym for

bad and new was synonym for good. we did stray. however, there is some good news, very good insight from that teacher there about getting back to the text. we have come some distance now, john, we do know how to teach reading, it follows the parental instinct, sounding out and phonics, and other things as well. i'm glad you had the teacher. governor dewine is one of the leaders in this effort, newly elected governor sarah huckabee sanders has jumped in and taken this on full bore. the important thing, and i'll stop here in a minute, i promise, is to screen kids. the screening process reveals how much they know and what they don't know. it also tells us something about the kind of help they need and so that screening is something very important. but critical is to implement

what we know. we know what works, there is a science of reading, and we need to implement it. as i said, some governors are doing it. others aren't. there are millions, maybe billions of dollars that have been spent and some have been spent, a lot spent the wrong way. >> sandra: great to have you here, bill. they are screening, i mean, we just went through in-depth the illinois report card, they reveal where kids are with their literacy rates and they are not good. and guess what, the state report card reveals and not just illinois, they are passing these kids along. there might be a single digit percent of kids who are reading at grade level and they'll graduate 99% of them. so they are just passing these kids through the system, sending them off to college or adulthood on not even reading at grade level in the 12th grade. >> that's exactly right. and you saw some of those kids

on the street in chicago, sandra, and you were talking about that passionately for a couple of days. if you can't read your life odds are diminished, you can't read, can't do history, can't do math. your ability to read predicts how you will succeed in life, and whether you'll make it. so these kids who can't read, many of them can't make it and they end up being on the street like you saw. it's a good thing to find out and to assess but then you have to implement the things that work. they haven't done that in illinois, or other states. we do know how to do it, strayed from it, parental instincts are right. phonics and sounding out is the heart of it. look to dewine, look to sarah huckabee sanders, look to a few other places. there is something called a science of reading now and we need to get it into every school so that every child can read.

we know how to do this. this is not a great mystery. >> john: one of the places they appear to be doing it right, you mentioned arkansas and ohio as well. but mississippi made great strides in getting back to the basics and 2013, 49th in terms of reading comprehension. six years later, gained 20 minutes to 29th. the crucial point, six years later, you know, six years for a lot of these kids, they'll already be through school. this is something that takes time. how do we speed up the process? >> well, we speed up the process by getting rid of the litter, getting rid of the stuff that doesn't matter and putting in the stuff that does. the stuff that's tried and true. you know, people -- one of the reasons mississippi had some success is people thought they were backward, they were backward because they were sticking with what works. and that's -- that was one of the reasons for success. and so a lot of states veered from it, they have to go back to

it. implementation. i am glad when issuing the report cards i did it every year, i've had a wall chart, how states were performing, it was the thing a lot of the education establishment hated to see that performance up there on the wall, but that's how we assess and we should. kids' lives are at stake literally if they can't read. >> sandra: if i could finish on the note of parental involvement, too, for those parents who want to get things right in the classroom, learning to read is just as important at home and they developed the love of reading. parents have to be so intimately involved and you can tie this all into, you know, the economic situation that we are in. if you've got two parents working two jobs and they are not there, that's a big part of what happens with children's literacy rates in this country. it is not -- there's no easy answer here, bill. we all have to get involved and all have to help these kids. >> it's not easy work, but i

slightly disagree. i think we do have the answer, and we know what works. but that parental reading, you know, some moms, future moms read to their kids in womb and read to their kids as soon as they're born. i think that's very important. child hears that voice, associates it with something that's worthwhile. and develops a love for certain books, certain very straightforward and simple books. and that's critical. moms, dads come home from work and do more work, but this is work with their kids. i did math with my boys from the road, mrs. bennett was working and they turned out good so far. 30s. >> sandra: we need math help at home, can i facetime with you later? >> yes, you can, you can. if it's that straightforward math i can do it. i can help. i can do math at a distance.

>> john: at our house we tell our kids to get off their devices and nose into books. that's the key. great to see you as always. >> not a bad rule. no tv during the week. >> john: old school. >> sandra: hard to say it's old school, it's reading, nothing has changed the actual act of reading. >> john: i like to think i do old school well for various reasons. >> sandra: we'll ask brian kilmeade, and also weigh in on the girls sports and the big vote this morning where it goes and if there's an improvement for those girls who are speaking up and out about fairness in sports for women and girls. >> john: you've got to know brian will have a thing or two to say about that. >> sandra: spacex launching the

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williamson and kennedy, jr., he launched his bid in boston on wednesday, 69-year-old environmental lawyer and vaccine critics faces an uphill battle but seas he's in it for the long haul. >> my mission over the next 18 months of this campaign and throughout my presidency will be to end the corrupt merger of state and corporate power, to impose a new kind of corporate f feudallism in the country. >> majority of democrats want to see someone other than biden be the 2024 nominee. the fight is own endorsements. former president trump gaining steam with florida lawmakers backing him over ron desantis who has yet to announce. today trump earned mike waltz's endorsement. >> every time i called the

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should be considerations that affect the president's family? >> look, i want to be very clear here. the president respects the rule of law and the independence of the department of justice. he believes that's what they should be and this administration we believe it should be independent, so i'm not going to go beyond that. >> just to be very clear, for the sake of transparency which the president says he values, does the white house support giving this irs agent whistleblower protection? >> the state of transparency and so we do not politicize any of this. the president has been very clear that this is something for the department of justice which is independent and we have been very clear since the campaign that this is something that they need to speak to and that's why we refer you to the department of justice. we are just not going to speak to it about it from here. >> can i just have you respond to some republicans, though, who suggested the fact that the irs agent is speaking whistleblower status could show the administration is slow walking or somehow obstructing justice? >> we are letting department of

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he was tapped in 09 in the middle of the mortgage crisis. he came on last hour, he said that he hears the industry is shocked about this. called it unprecedented. and explained it like this. >> i totally recognize and appreciate the effort to bring more people into home ownership who have traditionally not had that opportunity. but using fannie mae and freddie mac for these sort of political purposes may not be the best thing to do, and frankly, i think it violates the entire discipline these two companies have operated under. >> sandra: huge statement. >> i've been involved in this for a long time, he's got the story exactly right. for years and years fannie mae in particular, fannie mae is a left wing operation, always has been, it's a corrupt operation, we found that out in 2008. but, they have tried traditionally to make it easier for low income people to get a mortgage.

what hasn't been done so far as i know is never penalized middle class people who have saved a nest egg, played by the rules. >> sandra: diligently paid off their debts. >> put down 15 to 20% -- everybody should put 20% down for a mortgage, you would have far fewer defaults. never penalized those people. this is a middle class tax hike. this is like a responsibility tax. they did everything they are supposed to do and now they are going to have to pay a higher mortgage rate and by the way, market rates are falling, so that's not cool. a higher mortgage rate with more points just because they had put down 15 to 20%. that's just crazy. or they had a good fica score, what, 680 or 700. this is what you want. we are -- we are incentivizing bad behavior. that's what we are doing. >> sandra: this spells it out and just the details that we are learning of, we parsed through the fannie mae and freddie mac,

no, other screen. fine, we'll use this. 740 or higher, a tough screen. if you've got 740 or higher score and put down 15 to 20%, you get a surcharge, 1% surcharge, that's for the good credit score. >> extra point. >> sandra: you get a discount of 1.75% if your credit score is lower than 679, and you put down 5% or less on your home. i mean -- you have to stop and think about what this does to incentivize bad payment behavior. >> your friend who had worked for obama had it right. this violates the whole discipline that we try to establish back in 2008 for fannie mae and freddie mac. remember, these are totally owned by the federal government. this is taxpayer money at stake. we learned the hard way that if you can't afford a home just getting a subsidy one time to get a mortgage, you won't be

able to carry it. that's just -- look, that's life. you have to have the income to do this. >> sandra: a great statement at the end. this is the american dream. home ownership in most cases the ultimate success. and we all agree, we want people to get into them, but you don't want people to get into homes they can't afford. we lived through that. financial crisis of 2008, 2009, 2010. >> if they go bankrupt because they cannot afford to carry the house, they are damaged for the rest their days. we are not helping them. >> sandra: maybe not. that was a joke. >> if they are working, and by the by, one of the reforms kevin mccarthy wants is a work fair for the benefit programs. if folks go to work and save a nest egg, then they'll be eligible for fannie mae and freddie mac. but don't penalize middle income or lower income people who have

climbed the ladder of opportunity. >> sandra: $400,000 house, it booster the mortgage payment like $100 a month. >> put down 20%, greatest discipline in the world. get the score up to 750. biden people are always penalizing success. remarkable. it's like we don't care about growth, we want to redistribute, we want to hurt people who play by the rules. >> sandra: to finish off, steven says there are other ways to have minorities gets into home ownership, this is not the way to do it. >> that's right, that's right. appreciate it. >> john: house voting on a bill that would stop transgender women from playing on girls sports teams as the biden administration tries to make radical changes to title ix. brian kilmeade has got a few things to say about that, and he's here to sound off coming up next, tie and all. lower your monthly payments with the three c's: pay down your credit cards, pay off your car loan, consolidate your debt

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>> john: the house passing a bill hours ago that would bar transgender women and girls from playing on teams of their identified gender. bill passed along party lines but is expected to fail in the senate. intended as a republican response to president biden's push to make radical changes to title ix. the law meant to keep school sports fair for women and girls.

brian kilmeade co-host of fox and friends and host of "one nation" joins us now. title ix was passed in the 1970s as a way to ensure that females had equal opportunity as males in sports. but now they want to change it so that biological males can compete in women's sports. here is what title ix actually says. education amendments of 1972 prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in education programs receiving federal financial assistance. athletics are considered an integral part of an institution program and are therefore covered by the law. it specifically says sex, typically defined by a double x or xy chromosome not by gender. some people may say things have changed. >> well, i never thought we would have this conversation, dig into the chromosomes and legislation. true, 1972 it was radical, in college sports, if you are going to have such and such, many athletes for men, it has to be

mirrored by women. it caused the elimination of other sports like gymnastics and wrestling, wrestling said i'm going to add women to it and other smaller sports had to go. like soccer like you are watching right now could have women's sports and then the women win the national championship in soccer and dominated in basketball. it was a great story in america until front and center with lia thomas. the best female swimmer loses to the best male swimmer by 17 seconds. to a problem, lia thomas competes as a woman and knocks out the others. and we see two female national soccer players say like megan rapinoe i have no problem with it, suddenly joe biden has to get involved and leave it state by state, you guys decide the situation, and house said

biological male and biological women compete against each other. and two espn female anchor, and they were told not to talk about it. they said this is crazy, of course riley gaines is right, to paraphrase, women should compete against women, biden administration is killing title ix. >> john: i wanted to mention riley gaines, megan rapinoe did not have the added benefit of competing against lia thomas, but riley did. >> my experience felt like betrayal, like be littlement, we had been reduced as female athletes down to something to just affirm a male's feelings and affirm a male's identity at the expense of our own. >> she told the story in the race you saw there, she tied lia thomas, but the competition organizers said we only have one trophy and give it to thomas, we

want the photo of her going home with the trophy. does that seem fair in any way? >> of course not. and let me ask you right now, if you are a parent and you have a daughter, are you comfortable putting them in a collision sport like soccer, lacrosse, against a male? you shouldn't be. it's not right to them, it's not healthy for them either. and if you want to be rewarded for success, at least it's hard enough competing against other athletes, can you at least do it against one gender, hakeem jeffries not optimistic said it's basically a nonstory. other people think it's bullying of transgender athletes. i can't believe people don't see it that way, john. hopefully people will sober up on this issue. >> john: brian, this is going to be a big issue i think for 2024, positions have been drawn. we'll see where it goes. brian, see you on saturday and tomorrow morning as well. thanks. sandra. >> sandra: president biden finally picking up the phone but it was not china that he called. that's next.

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>> sandra: the white house is telling us that president biden just spoke on the phone with emanuel macron and discussed his trip to beijing, which was seen as a snub to the u.s. >> john: great to be with you today. >> sandra: you too. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" starts right now. >> martha: good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. so you've likely noticed that there is a massive agenda that is driving a lot of conversation and attention these days to the issue of transgender americans. now given that they represent a small segment of the population and trans athletes even a smaller sliver, it's clear that groups like the human rights campaign and others have been