>> president biden is said to be planning to make it finally official come tuesday, that's when he's going to announce that he is indeed running for reelection in what should be the biggest nonsurprise in human history, or at least over the last week and we're listening this is from robert f. kennedy, jr., and announcing his challenge to biden, and did this have to do with that. the rfk generation here and

what kind of support is robert f. kennedy getting. and a major 2024 issue, what's going on at the border right now, where tens of thousands of migrants have been gathering at the mexican side and i believe some as high as 40,000 and all this have is title 42, which has allowed these cases to be adjudicated on the mexican side of the border. all of that goes away in less than three weeks. nate foy is in brownsville, texas keeping an eye on the fast moving developments. secretary mayorkas says details will be coming next week how the biden administration plans to handle the end of title 42 less than three weeks away. we're seeing illegal numbers in the fiscal year of this year and that's expected to skyrocket after title 42 ends. the danger in the communities in southern texas continues. take a look at the video.

this is a chase from texas dps in kinney county. the driver in this case was smuggling three illegal migrants. the driver is from galveston in the greater houston area and the kinney county sheriff says in the houston area where most of the human smugglers they arrest are from. the drugs that cross the border make it to houston and cities across the country. the harris county sheriff's office made a massive drug and gun bust yesterday. take a look at the haul, deputies confiscated over two kilos of fentanyl, methamphetamine, 11 vehicles. the loaredo agents found methamphetamine disguised as candy. and back out here live, neil, cartels are finding new ways to

smuggle into the country. and agents in the rio grande valley sector intercepted a drone carrying seven pounds of marijuana, back to you, neil. neil: thank you for that. we want to go to lucas tomlinson at the white house and they're defending, lucas, the last time i saw this their handling at the border, even though it looked like the homeland security secretary was more of a pinata when he was on capitol hill. >> there's no doubt that the white house thinks the immigration system is working. yesterday president biden chief tacitly admitted that dhs has problems. when one is expelled one it try over and over again. and in terms of speed, it's actually not delivering a consequence. >> and many think that's an understatement, neil. the biden administration is expected to end title 42 the pandemic era policy which allowed authorities to turn back hundreds of thousands of

migrants, but critics say it's not stopped millions of others from coming into this country. now, this week, mayorkas received a noisy reception on capitol hill. >> we could give you money to hire a thousand new border agents, nobody wants to work for you. >> we're done, done, done with your lies to america! >> the white house says all is well. many republicans disagree. >> the plan is working, we see the data of making sure unlawful immigration goes down and again we've seen that in the numbers, but as far as any plans, future plans, that should be out soon. >> how long are you going to let this go on? >> congresswoman, let me assure you that we're not letting it go on. we are fighting it-- >> no, i reclaim my time, you're a liar, you're letting this go on and the numbers prove it. you can't lie about the fact, you're killing americans with your policies. >> now, some republicans want to see mayorkas impeached, but

of course the cabinet secretary has not been impeached since 1876, william belknap in washington and spent a lot of money on his first and second. >> curious, the republicans say you've got to go and not getting a warm reception. he's there as long as the president wants you there. >> and many say in washington, if you want change you've got to replace the president at the white house. neil: i've got that. thank you, my friend. and bran dan judd with us, the national border patrol president. and i noticed the new video released, a thousand migrants tried to cross a bridge in brownville, texas, that pressure is on for your guys and it's not getting easier, is it? >> no, it's not and what's upsetting when you hear the rhetoric or the half truths coming out of the white house from jean-pierre and mayorkas.

they're saying they're enforcing the laws, but they're not telling all that they're doing. yes, we're taking half measures, we're taking people in custody and processing them for removal, but ultimately these people are not being removed. so we're only doing half of the process. we're not following through on anything that we're supposed to be doing and that's the magnet that's drawing so many people across the borders illegally. if they know that they're never going to have to leave this country they're going to continue to come and then when you listen to carine je jean-pierre and that the numbers bear that out. no, week after week, and day after day, the chinese nationals, 500 per month and now we're up to 2,000 per month. look at venezuelans and cubans and the data shows what is happening. they only use rhetoric and they're not backing it up with facts. these are the facts i'm telling

you. neil: let me ask you about the migrant encounters we're seeing in the october to march period, a little over 1.2 million, that's more than a 15% increase just the past week 41,000. now, we're less than three weeks away, as you know, better than anyone, title 42 disappearing. that 41,000 figure in the past week, what will it be when title 42 goes away that week? >> well, when you look at the total numbers on a daily basis and that's what we focus on, the daily numbers, we're apprehended between 5,000 and 6,000 people per day. that number is going to jump up 10 to 12,000 per day, that's how bad it going to be, but that's not the worst of it, it's going to be the got-aways, the people that don't want to be apprehended, a people they don't want a record that they're here in the united states and that's going to jump up by 50% so it's not just the apprehensions it's going to be the got-aways and you have to look at the fentanyl and the

dangerous drugs, that's also going to go up. everything is going to go up once title 42 goes away and again, what's frustrating is that we don't see any plans. we don't see any programs, originalses. secretary mayorkas says something comes out he's going to tell the public before he tells us, the border agents enforcing the policies and programs. that's how we know nothing goed good is coming down the pipe. neil: i enjoy our conversations even though something is going on. there was arrest, i believe about a dozen of them on the u.s. side of the border and it looked like they were put in a van and it's a dumb question, but endure them from me, where does the van go, where do they go? where is the procedure for that? and we happened to catch it live while you and i were chatting. what happens? >> that van is going back to a border patrol station and we are going to process the

individuals for removal, unfortunately they're not going to be removed. they're going to be released into the united states pending a future court date. that court date can be anywhere between two to five years down the road. the problem is is that they never show up to their court appearance and this white house has said, just the simple act of crossing the border illegally and being in the united states illegal is not enough for removal. so the white house never goes after these individuals. that is the problem. they know that they're going to be released. we take them into custody. we process them for removal, they're released into the united states and then they never leave because there is no enforcement effort after that. neil: you're going to have a lot more got-aways in three weeks. >> yes, we are. yes, we are, neil, and that's unfortunate. neil: incredible. bra brandon. thank you. the national border patrol, the camera doesn't line, we show it there and we have drones going all the time, but they visualize what we report. we don't make this stuff up. in the meantime here, and any

of you follow dave ramsey, sort of a financial coach and i love dave, known him for decades. he watches what he spends because he has gotten in trouble himself, spends cash for everything and a debit card, doesn't believe in piling up debt. tough love and on his radio show he exhibits it, shows it. some people wince at it. this went viral when he did it. take a look. >> together we have probably just under a million dollars in debt. >> how old are you? >> i'm 29. >> okay. so what in the world? so we're hard at work, helping them achieve financial freedom. we're investing for our clients in the projects that power our economy. from the plains to the coasts, we help americans invest for their future. and help communities thrive.

>> together we have probably just under a million dollars in debt. we have about $335,000 student loans and then about $136,000 in credit cards.

44,000 personal loans and 35,000 car loans. >> okay. how old are you? >> i am 29. >> okay. so what in the world? [laughter] >> so, yeah, we-- >> are you both on this or is this just one of you that's completely lost your mind? they were just completely out of control and it was time to rein everything in and it just not fun in that situation. a lot of stress. neil: you know, despite your efforts in trying to get this under control in our country, the fact of the matter is, americans are once again piling up the debt in the ago aggregate. we're knee deep in the red stuff here. what do you see going on? >> to win financially you have to back up and have vision for

the long-term. when you don't, you borrow yourself into oblivion and that's what americans are doing. neil: all right. dave ramsey, who lectures individuals on their debt and trying to get out of it, doesn't even know where to begin when it comes to the united states government. for those of you following the debt saga, we have a $31.4 trillion debt ceiling and we've hit the limit on the credit line and only the united states government can increase the credit line if you and i were so lucky and we're not. the south carolina congressman wants to put a stop to this. the vice chair of the problem solvers caucus and equal number of republicans and democrats try to find a way out of our problems. there's a concept. congressman, thank you. >> thanks for having me. neil: we spend more and i get that and we're up against the deadline and i don't know technically when we're running out of money, we're told sometime this summer. first off, are you on that

page? sometime this summer that we could be on the brink? >> it seems like it keeps getting moved earlier and earlier and tax receipts are down, neil. so we're probably looking at the beginning of june rather than the end of june or august. neil: so, let's talk a little about-- i know that kevin mccarthy is to limit spending up to 1% a year to try to claw back some funds meant for covid. others meant for stay tuned loan relief and billions of dollars there. and it's, you know, apparently dead to chuck schumer and the president of the united states. i don't know how far that goes, but you have another idea. what would that entail? >> well, first off, i would say that dave ramsey a right, you have to have a long-term vision for the future if you're ever going to get out of debt and we can't get the president to the negotiating table, neil. and so, there are-- there is a group of bipartisan

democrats and republicans to come together who say that mr. president you have to come to the table. it's remarkable there are dozens of house democrats telling joe biden he has got to come negotiate on this debt ceiling. i would note, by the way, i think that kevin mccarthy has a right approach, we need a long-term strategy just like dave ramsey said, capping the growth of discretionary spending at 1% a year for the next 10 years makes all the sense in the world. neil: so i know you guys want to try something that extends, sort of like our debt limit or when you have to revisit this, sometime in 2025, but along the way, you would have an independent commission coming up with idea, upper or down votes on what would increase the debt or a deficit any given year. tell me a little about that. >> so, we've got to be willing to talk about some big ideas because, neil, we're so much deeper in debt than most people realize, we throw around the numbers, but we're at an

inflection point, it's not only as bad as five or 10 years ago and i'll give you one data point to prove that. in the la last 10 years spent $3 trillion just on the interest. no veteran got a new knee or ne no hungry kid got a meal. it's just the debt. we're working our way up the hockey stick, a major inflection point. yes, we need some big boys and big girls to sit down on a bipartisan basis and figure out what kind of tweaks need to be made to the system long-term to get it under crowell. you know, tip o'neill and ronald reagan did this in 1983. they put aside the politics and they slowly over the course of decades increased the retirement age for social security, those guys put us on the right path. neil: we don't have those guys

to today. >> well, i think there are-- maybe not tip o'neill and ronald reagan, those guys are legendary. the fact that you've got 60 members of the house including half democrats who are willing to tell joe biden, a, you've got to come to the table and b, willing to think about long-term reforms, that shows there are still some statesmen in washington. neil: do you think there are that many, congressman? i'm not here to question you, but i'm saying that maybe joe manchin has raised this issue? i haven't heard the others, you know, screaming about work with the republicans. >> i know that a lot of folks think that it is just a partisan sniping in washington d.c., but just give me 30 seconds to talk about speaker mccarthy's plan here because this is not just some idle bumper sticker slogan he's thrown out here. he's talking about limiting the growth of governmental spending with all reasonable people know we have to do. he's talked about clawing back

unobligated covid funds. listen, the pandemic is over. why are we letting 60 or $70 billion continuing to slosh around out there. the student loan forgiveness which was clearly an unconstitutional giveaway and claw that back toward deficit reduction and he actually wants to grow the economy through unleashing american energy and getting people back to work. for my money, that's not just partisan sniping, that's real leadership, and i wish joe biden was willing to negotiate. neil: we'll see. still a ways to go, whenever that drop dead doomsday date is, congressman. wonderful to see you, have a great weekend. >> thanks, neil. neil: i hate to burst your balloon on china balloons. it's much worse than balloons. they've got hypersonic drones that can three times the speed of sound. ultimately they've got satellites that can knock out our satellites and can knock

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>> all right. and the leads keep coming and not just from the young guy who was releasing them in the first place. we're now hearing that authorities are looking in-- especially the fbi, some of the other gamers on this discord social media site largely a gaming community among some as young as teenagers here, but they are continuing to leak information that may be the leaker was sharing with them. this much we know, the leaks are coming fast and furious and the ones that concern china are troubling to put it mildly, revelations that china now has a drone, a hypersonic drone that can travel three times the speed of sound and technology

and the satellite system that could deactivate our satellites and to make them just stop communicating with one another. why is that a big deal? because we need satellites to communicate with one another to keep troop movements, like in ukraine, for example. general jack keane, four star general, war chairman, former vice chair chief of staff of the army and this guy has done everything. when he shakes your hand, he can break it, just in one visit. general, very good to see you. let me first get your take on these revelations concerning china. if true, they're way ahead of where we thought they were technologically. it was one thing when we were worried about their navy and how quickly they were building that up. they're building a lot more than just a navy up. >> yeah, well, certainly, that actually is the case. china represents the fastest

growing military in the world by far and as we have said many times on your show, neil, in the indo-pacific region, they quantitatively outnumber us in just about everything, missiles, ships, airplanes, except submarines, but here, as you're pointing out, this is very accurate, they are also having a qualitative advantage and you can see it here in this advanced drone three times the speed of sound, which would make it very difficult for us to track it and intercept it. much as we have the same problem with hypersonic glide vehicles that can circumnavigate the globe at five times the speed of sound and delivered as an anti-ship missile to our fleet out there and actually swarm on them. so, their technology is moving ahead. when it comes to anti-satellites, they've been in that business longer than we have. we're in catchup there as well. those are the decisions we made not to do that because we have

so many more satellites than china has, although they're catching up to it. i think it was a mistake not to go after advanced satellite technology years ago. we're doing it now and we're a little in catchup here. so, yes, china in the region has a quantitative advantage rapidly developing a qualitative advantage not just dealing with the region, but globally as well. neil: they're also busy on the moon, with the international space station of their own, it's not international, it's just china. very sophisticated and working on the side of the moon we can see and the far side of the moon we can't see. i'm wondering what they're building here. >> well, everything china does, whether it's merchantilism and being an economic predator in developing countries in africa or in south america, southeast asia, their technological advances that they're making,

some at the expense of the united states, their advances in space, it's all about what they're seeking and that is domination. they want to control and influence the world globally and replace the united states as the world's global leader. they see themselves quite naturally and historically in that role and they're moving with a very comprehensive strategy to achieve it. that's why i believe this is the most comprehensive threat that the united states has ever faced in its history because it is so comprehensive and this country, while it doesn't have as strong an economy as the united states last, definitely has a strong, big economy that can sustain their focus and they have a very comprehensive focus in trying to achieve their strategic goals. the good news is, neil, we're waking up to this threat. the american people 70% of the people believe that china is a threat to their security.

and we have a group that is bipartisan and every indication they're going to use the committee not only to educate the congress about what's going on with china, but educate the american people. that is good news. what we need though is less rhetoric out of the administration and more commitment to our competitive edge and that has to be defined certainly by the defense budget which doesn't even meet inflation. in other words, we have a declining budget and in the face of this threat and other threats that we're facing, that makes no sense. neil: you've got it. i think you're talking about the fact that the biden administration's committed 3% more to defense, but inflation is running about double that so technically underwater. general, very good seeing you again. thank you very much. >> yeah, great talking to you neil, as always. neil: all right, be well. in the meantime, the last time a kennedy challenged an incumbent president was 1980, ted kennedy going against jimmy carter, we now haw that ended

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>> all right. you don't see this very often. a guy declares he's running for

president against 14% of support for democrats a potential match-up to take on the president of the united states. that democrat is robert f. kennedy, jr., the eldest son of the late senator, presidential candidate and attorney general. he joins us now. robert, very good to have you. >> good to be back with you, neil. it's been a long time. neil: it has. too long. you know, those are incredible numbers, robert. i mean, you're polling 14% and, you know, what's remarkable is a good part of that 14% isn't coming from your family. many of them are not keen on you taking on the president and i'm just wondering why that is? i know three of them are diplomates in the biden administration so that makes sense. others though, they're holding back, why is that? >> well, you know, i don't agree with my family on all issues. my family, first of all, including myself have had a long relationship with joe biden and a friendship and joe

biden has a my dad behind him , a photo, on his desk and many are working with the administration. and other of my family members just don't agree with me on issues on censorship, or on public health issues. you know, we're a big family and i have a lot of people who are with me and, but other ones disagree with me and i respect that, i, you know, i have no ill will toward any of them. i think, you know, we're like every family, there are disagreements in the kennedy family, too, and i think, you know, we know how to love each other and at the same time, disagree with each other on political issues or other issues, you know, my hope is

that our country can do that as well, that we can learn, you know, the polarization in in country is now toxic and radioactive anytime since the civil war, it really both republicans and democrats talk about it in almost apocalypse terms, and we need to talk about it and without hating each other. neil: i don't want to get you started on the cavuto politics. having seen that, a lot of you have known you on your vaccines views before covid and your niece said that it's dangerous, and that's going to come up in the campaign. how do you answer that? many in your party and will argue like others, vaccines work, they took a crisis, what could have been a plague across

the world and seriously cut down on deaths that would have been a lot higher without it. you say? >> well, i would disagree with you on that. i don't think the science supports that, i don't think you can show me any scientific study that shows that. in fact, the nations that didn't vaccinate had the lowest death rate. for example, nigeria had a 1.5 vaccination rate and it had a 14 death per thousand. we had 3,000-- i mean 14 death per million population, and 3,000 deaths per million population and haiti had the same thing, almost no vaccination, had 15 deaths per million population, so, they had 1/200 of the deaths that we had. we were one of the most heavily vaccinated countries in the world and we had the highest death rate in the world. we have 4.2% of the world's population. we had 16% of the covid deaths. that's not a success story and

if you look around the world, the nations that were the least vaccinated had although did the best in terms of preventing covid mortalities and particularly the nations that used alternative treatments like ivermectin, hy hydroxchlorquin. neil: you sound a lot like donald trump. he kind of espoused similar views. >> i don't think he did, donald trump continues to say that his vaccination saved the world and i don't think that the science is out there. neil: but you mentioned some of the treatments that he did as well. >> well, he did. but he didn't let people have access to them and as i said, the nations that gave people access to those treatments had

much, much lower death rates and ended in many cases the pandemic. neil: okay. we could go back and forth on this. i'm sure your prepared that had will be a big issue. >> yeah. neil: all right. could i ask you, you know, this is the first time a prominent kennedy is taking on incumbent president. i was referring in the earlier in the show to your uncle ted kennedy when he took on jimmy carter, 1980. got a lot of attention, didn't get the nomination. many argue that it weakened jimmy carter and of course, we know what happened that year. are you afraid that that same thing could happen to you, that with the best of intentions, you could weaken joe biden, if you don't get the nomination and the ticket goes down to flaming defeat? >> right now, neil, polls show president biden losing to donald trump, who is the presumptive nominee of the republican party. i'm in a better position to run

against donald trump than any of the democrats because i can hold him accountable for the worst thing that he did, which is the lockdowns. the lockdowns were absolutely catastrophic. the lockdowns we now know the countries that have less lockdowns and the states, you could put them side by side and those are the countries, sweden, for example, was the only country in europe that didn't do lockdowns and had the lowest death rate in europe. we were -- we led the world in lockdowns and we had the highest death rate from covid in the world. worst of all is what it did to the economy. caused $16 trillion according to larry summers report, the imf report, the half vard re harvard report. and shifted four trillion of welt, and created 500 new billionaires, and the report that i am ka out this week shows that the billionaires that existed at the beginning

of the pandemic, people like bill gates, mark zuck burg, bezos, and increased their wealth 30% during the pandemic and at that time from the lockdowns, amazon got to shut down all of its competitors. neil: so the lockdown actually perpetuated this class divide. you mentioned the wealthy and how they were affected. obviously, you come from a wealthy family, the kennedy family certainly was for a while among the richest in the world. now, elizabeth warren, senator from massachusetts, wants to kick around a wealth tax where the assets that rich people have would be taxed not just the income rate. are you open to that? what do you think of that idea? because families like yours would pay for that? >> i would have to look at that. i don't think a huge disparities in wealth are healthy for our country or for

democracy. you know, to have very, very high concentrations of wealth in a nation that not only is marked by widespread poverty is something that-- >> he know, -- no, no, through no-fault of your own, you're part of that concentration of wealth. i guess do you like the idea that wealthy people, they don't have income they have assets, and she and others in the party are keen on taxing those. >> now, i have to look at that, i think we have to address those disparities in wealth ap more than anything we have to rebuild the american middle class and part of that is getting away from the warfare economy and doing what china originally did, which is to build its power and project power by building its economy at home, the strength of a nation comes from a strong economy and a vibrant middle

class and we have wiped out the middle class in this country systematically. and a lot-- >> so your race would be about that, but a lot of people say you're going to be more of a passivist as a president, you said about the war in ukraine that it's a misplaced priority. real quickly, what did you mean by that? >> well, i don't believe i used that language. what i said about the war in ukraine is we need to figure out, we need to get a very, very clear idea from our admin about what our purpose is in ukraine. my son fought in ukraine, and the american people are very, very supportive the ukrainian people of the brutality, angry at the illegal and brutal invasion by russia and the admiring of the courage and valor of the ukrainian people. as i said, my son fought there, he was a machine gunner for a

special forces unit. we went over there being told that this was a humanitarian issue and now president biden is saying that we're there because we want regime change in russia, which is the same thing the neo cons did in iraq with catastrophic responses. neil: if you became president, robert, i want to be clear, you would put a stop to it? >> yeah, i would put-- i would, i would pressure the parties to enter a cease-fire and then negotiated settlement. i mean, you know, our objective over there should be to prevent bloodshed and to prevent suffering and the destruction of the ukraine. there's 300,000 ukrainian troops who r already died in this war and you know, it's become a proxy war between the united states and russia and ukraine is caught between, in that and is being grounded to

dust and now, you know, if this war continues-- >> but without our help, robert, the argument goes that there would be more obliteration in ukraine that hundreds of thousands more ukrainians would die, they would lose their country. what do you say? >> well, except that both russians and the, you know, the donbas region was willing to settle the whole thing and walk away with an minsk accord and seemed that donbas within ukraine that n.a.t.o. withdraws ukraine and that the united states remove the missile systems which are nuclear capable. when we put-- when the russians put cuba in 1962 when my uncle was president, we were ready to invade. russians, you know, think have

an objection to us putting those kind of missile systems that can deliver 70 miles from their border, can deliver nuclear-- >> i get it, that would stop with you. let me get a quick take because you have criticized some of these bank bailouts, i think silicon valley bank came to mind and how we rescued a lot of their rich depositors and you were concerned this went too far. do you think in retrospect, what the administration did in the case of silicon valley and other banks, and in working with the federal reserve and the treasury was a mistake that we'll look back at that to say it was a mistake? >> i can't say that we'll say that was a mistake. i think in the long run it probably was a mistake because i don't see, you know, neil, i don't understand how if you keep bailing out the banks when they make mistakes, you know, there's a moral hazard there. where now the incentive to the bankers, the economic incentive, if you believe in free market capitalism, you've

given these bankers now an economic incentive to swing for the fences every time, hoping to hit a home run, make themselves billionaires and whenever they miss, which is a lot, we, the taxpayer comes in and bails them out. you know, the same month we bailed out those banks with-- we printed $300 billion new dollars, we gave 113 billion we committed that same month in march to ukraine. we cut food stamps for 30 million americans by 90%. we removed 50 million americans from the medicare rolls. there's something wrong with our country and we have 76% invasion over the last two years with food stuffs. we're taking money away from the poor and giving it to rich bankers, does that make sense to anybody and creating incentives over the long-term is just going to encourage them to do it again and again and then the fed prints the money,

bail them out, and then we are borrowing, $6 billion a day from china and japan to pay for those bankers. and meanwhile, we're starving the poor in our country. it just makes no sense. neil: finally, i'd be curious, what you meant, you're taking on the president of the united states, never an easy task. your father took on president lyndon johnson over the war in vietnam, caused great divisiveness within the party, especially when lyndon johnson opted not to run and your father ended the race tragically, we know how that ended. he took a lot of grief for that division within the party and taking on a president. do you feel any pangs of pain taking on this president? >> well, yeah, look, it's like running against somebody in your family, but you know,

ultimately i think i'm in a much better position to beat donald trump than joe biden is and i also just disagree with him on basic issues like my father did with lyndon johnson on censorship, i don't -- that the white house should be censoring political critics. what we're doing with the war is unnecessarily prolonging it and unnecessarily hiking up the bloodshed. i disagree with that. >> i disagree with some of the public health policies of this administration like my dad ran on principle. he did not believe he could win and his objective was to tell the truth to the american people and that's what i'm going to do and if there's an appetite for that, i'll be in the white house in 2025. neil: i lied when i said that

he is my last question, because there's another one. a sacrifice for anyone who runs for president, a physical risk as your father and your uncle knew. i don't like to be morbid about this and i apologize in advance for asking this. do you think of that? >> i don't, really. i mean, i'm clearly aware of that risk, but there are things that i'm much more frightened of than, you know, than death, for example. i'm much more frightened of losing my constitutional rights and of america losing its democracy and a whole generation of americans in 1776 who put their lives on the line to give us this constitution and put their property on the line and we're watching the constitution being taken away from us and we have to be willing to take risks. neil: you know, you're a very young 69. you look younger than me and i'm not 69 so i kind of recent

that, but you know, we have likely now, you know, an 80-year-old president who is going up against a 76-year-old former president, they'll both be a year or two older if they get in there. and joe biden could be 86 if he finishes a second term. do you think you could be too old to be president or to run for president? >> are you talking about me? or are you talking about as a general principle. neil: you're 69, you're under that 80 thing. but i mention it lightly to make a point that others have said in your party, the reason why joe biden gets 47% support among democrats is that they deem him to be too old. do you think he's too old? >> well, you know, i don't think age has-- is the major metric. i think the metric is if you're, you know is your physical health and your mental acuity. so, i mean, there are people

who are 80 years old who i feel are, you know, who seem almost younger than me. so, i don't think the actual chronological age is, you know, the limiting factor. i think the more important issue is just the mental acuity. neil: what do you think of the president's mental acuity. >> you know, i don't know. i don't know. that would be for other people to figure out. i don't know. neil: what do you think of donald trump's mental acuity? >> (laughter) well, he -- he seems to be able to continue to deliver his kind of withering right posts whenever they're needed and make nicknames up for people, so he can do those exercise anyway. neil: you know, he's so far, it

very early, robert, he's running away in the polls for the republican nomination, even with some of the problems he's had, the controversies, the indictment, and et cetera. what do you think of that? >> i think, you know, i think donald trump has this capacity to talk to americans who are desperate and make them feel like they're being heard and you know, and some of that is by just having a really good sense for all of the kind of a alchemies and the demagoguery. there are millions and millions of americans-- i'm working now on the norfolk southern train wreck in east palestine and you go to these communities and the desperation there, it's like what i used to see in the developing nations when i was a kid. i mean, our country has really

changed in ways that i think that washington is out of touch and i think that they don't feel that they're represented anymore. i think that the people in the country feel they're being lied to by the media, the government, by the institutions that they trusted and they're disgusted with them and they're done and when a guy comes along like donald trump who says, i'm willing to break things, that appeals to people who feel like this whole system is just rigged against them and they're right, it is rigged against them. it's completely rigged against. if you're poor in this country, you have no participation in the political process, you are-- you're being, you know, these companies, corrupt merger, corporate and state power, and it's taken over the media as well and all of these trusted institutions of democracy have now been weaponized against the poor, against the middle class in our country. and you know, those people are

desperate. we have their backs against the wall and donald trump comes and says, you know, i'm a guy on a white horse who is going to look after you and i'm going to tell the truth about what's happening and that has a lot of appeal to people. you know, i think we need to do the same thing in the democratic party, but we need to do it with somebody who is more closely aligned with the ideals of the traditional ideals of this country and and i understand his appeal. and you go to the communities, there are trump lawn signs on every lawn. people are angry. they're angry trump signs and they're there because they don't feel like they're being heard and they don't feel a lot of them, unfortunately don't feel like-- these are former democrats, these were kennedy democrats, you know, some of them a lot of them voted for obama.

neil: you're right. it is definitely a polarizing environment. in the last minute we have and i appreciate your time, robert. >> you know, let me-- >> about that, go ahead. >> the bernie voters and trump voters and you know, ideological reasons they're utterly antithetical to each other, but my father's voters, the white voters who supported my father in 1968, many of them in '72 voted for george wallace, the same reason, you know, people are feeling abandoned, that this system is just rigged against them. neil: you know, i didn't mean to jump on you, robert, i was thinking with the polarization and the parties you talk of, certainly the democratic party was polarized in 1968 when your father was running. i'm just wondering looking at just the democratic party today, could your father win in that party today?

could your uncle, john kennedy, a man who espoused tax cuts during his brief presidency, and really lied that fruition sadly after his assassination, could either of them make it in this party today? >> i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. and you know, i just, as a rule, don't make those kind of speculations. neil: yeah. >> you know, i have 11 siblings in my family each one of them with a claim on my dad's legacy and i think all of us try to respect each other by not speculating about what my father would say or not say about a certain, you know, contemporary issue and, you know, the public, the public they belong to history now and you know, the public can make up their mind about what robert kennedy would have done or what john kennedy would have done in these kind of cases, as well as perhaps i could.

neil: i know you had talked about you want to go back to aspire to some ideals as a country i don't want to misquote or misparaphrase you. that was your father's wish, your late uncle's wish, but is it realistic? i don't want to sound cynical, is it realistic in this day and age? >> the values that i'm talking about are just constitutional values. you know, that we ought to have free speech in this country, that we ought to -- that we ought to have, you know, freedom of bodily autonomy, that we ought to try to treat each other -- that if you work hard, if you play by the rules, you ought to be able to get ahead and that, you know, the rich don't have the special advantages. we've turned the country into a corporate kleptocracy that the wealth is strip-mined from the

middle class and poor in this country and it's all fixed and we need to make our, you know, our regulatory agencies serve the public interests now rather than become sock puppets for the industries that they're supposed to regulate, which is exactly what's happened and nih works for pharma, moderna and pfizer, and c.d.c. and usda works for submitsfield, cargill and monsanto. the cia works for raytheon and we're all of these agencies have been captured by corporate interests and weaponized against the public. i think we can stop that. neil: all right. i have a good idea where you're coming from and people can differ over the particulars, but robert f. kennedy, jr., i enjoyed our chat, a historic path and a historic family and a presidential race that bears watching.

very good to see you again. >> you, too, neil, thank you. neil: robert f. kennedy, jr. the president of the united states is going to announce he's indeed going to run for president we're told as early as tuesday, right now faces a challenge, a guy gets 14% of the vote right out of the gate. still early, we're still here, fox news continues, have a great weekend. ♪ >> hunter biden's attorneys will meet with the department of justice including david weiss who has led the probe since 2018. his lawyers insist the meeting has nothing to do with the whistleblower claims that the investigation into the first son is being mishandled. welcome to fox news live, i'm mike emanuel. >> i'm aishah hasnie. nice to see you this weekend. we'll get reaction from both sides of the rile and we'll go to the white house where president biden is planning to make headlines of hi