♪ ♪ >> hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i'm emily compagno here with my cohost kayleigh mceneny. joining me today is kennedy, former states department person marie harf and jason chaffetz. we begin with president biden facing reporters for the first time since launching his re-election campaign taking questions yesterday during a joint news conference alongside south korea's leader but it

looks like he had a bit of a heads up. new photos from the event shot president appearing to, once again, rely on cheat sheets to answer questions. here's a closer look. you see the president holding a note card with instructions to call on "l.a. times" reporter courtney. for the first question! it goes onto outline her exact question on semiconductor manufacturing and foreign allies. just watch how that scenario played out live. >> now, we're going to take some questions. first question from courtney from "the los angeles times." >> thank you, mr. president. your top economic priority has been to build up u.s. domestic manufacturing in competition with china but your rules against expanding chip manufacturing in china is hurting south korean companies that rely heavily on beijing are you damaging a key ally in the competition with china to help your domestic politics ahead of the election?

>> emily: the "l.a. times" now denying any wrongdoing after yesterday's presser telling fox news, "our reporter didn't submit any questions in advance of the q&a with president biden." courtney covers the white house for "the los angeles times" and as such, she's in regular contact with the white house press office seeking information for her reporting. you'd have to ask the white house who prepared the document for the president and why they included that question, kayleigh, word-for-word! >> kayleigh: it's really something. the question involved semiconductors it also involved alliances and how it would be affected. i never had that level of detail to provide from president trump from a legacy print media outlet like this one. occasionally you'd have a foreign reporter saying i have a nuanced question trying to ask him this, trying to get the leg up. in a briefing, the idea an "l.a. times" reporter would give this is really something. perhaps she went to the office

and said i'm interested in these two topics and she wrote a question that's in line with that. that's certainly a possibility but there's a differential. i talked to several members of my staff who was in lower press, where you have interactions on a daily basis with the reporters, it's the front lines and they said, no, no one was coming to us with exact questions. occasionally we'd get the topic but certainly not the question. they said to me we put in the work when we came to you and said we think this person is going to ask this or that person is going to ask this is because we went to the twitter feed and looked at the articles and surprised what -- surmise what had we thought the report we're ask. it was putting in the work, not -- reporter would ask. it was putting in the work. >> we know since calvin coolidge, only reagan and nixon have held less press conferences it begs the question f he's manufacturing the questions that occur, he's manufacturing, i should say the conference, how are americans supposed to trust

him on the campaign trail let alone serving in the commander-in-chief office? foreign leaders certainly aren't going to write their questions beforehand. union members, crying families, grieving community members, the whole point is that he should have a spontaneity and ability to withstand what's happening in the present. you can't script four years of a presidency. >> well, i don't think he scripted the press conference. i think -- i suspect what happened is what kayleigh said is this reporter who has said they didn't give them questions so let's also trust the "l.a. times" and this reporter here said this is what i'm interested in asking. that happens all the time. let's also remember that question wasn't a particularly friendly one. it was one that said a biden administration policy was hurting the country that the man standing next to him is representing, right? south korea. so i think this is a little overblown. principles often -- principals often have heads up on what kinds of issues reporters want to ask about and talk about and at the end of the day, president behind could answer it however

he wants to. he's not telling -- i'm 100% confident this white house is not telling reporters what to ask. that's a ludicrous thing to say. he's being prepared by his staff for the questions they know will get asked. that happens every day. and the bigger issue is, you know, we're heading into an election season now where there's going to be a lot of unscripted moments. president biden will be much posh interactive with voters, doing press events across the country. you'll get more spontaneity out of biden. >> i want to add quickly, to your point, it is fair. i did have a wire service reporter who would come to me in the mornings and say this is what i'm interested in. that's helpful! that's fair game! if that's what happened here, totally fair, but the idea you'd have a specific question to a president who doesn't do regular press conferences, one of two questions he's fielding in a month in that format, that is where it becomes problematic. >> yeah, i just -- i was going to say that i think no one at all is saying president biden scripted the question. the point -- >> you sort of said that when

you asked me the question. >> emily: i'm sorry. you misunderstood what i said. what i meant to say is that clearly thish sioux this president that democrats voted for can't handle any type of impromptu question. the issue wasn't it wasn't friendly, the issue it was challenging. clearly, this man needs time to prepare. unless there's a ouija board involved, marie, i don't understand how he understood the topics and could get word for word the question. somewhere along the line he's having his hand held, jason. >> the contrast with president trump couldn't be more stark, right? donald trump took questions from anyone. he didn't have to be handed a list or have a cheat sheet that say you're in attendance at this event with the capital y-o-u. that seemed to me to be weird. i think the overall bigger concern is the lack of access, the lack of probing questions, the fact this president does so

few of these press conferences -- he takes two questions? come on! even when they're having to yell questions at him -- and i can't imagine a britt hume or sam donaldson would ever, ever do this kind of thing. they would not. they would have the respect when they went into those meetings to ask questions and the white house would probably have no idea what's coming at 'em. that's what a free press should be acting like. >> emily: that's right. free press, kennedy, this is along the lines the landscape of the new fox news poll that illustrates the fact that not only do 55% of registered voters disapprove of behind's job performance but 70% they say for their family feels like the economy is getting worse when jason, we press core transparency and answers to the public that could answer questions, chief among them the two i just said. >> that's the key question, when is my life going to improve? the president has not been able to answer that effectively.

and, you know, even in his campaign re-election video, he's like, we're fighting for the soul of the nation. it's like, bro, let's talk about inflation, all right? bottom line -- line it up for us. don't call it transitory. don't gaslight us. the first question interest semiconductors? why isn't the first question about the intelligent leak we just saw and south korea arming ukrainian soldiers which violates their own laws and south korea leadership was upset that leak was accessible and made public because it's embarrassing for them and puts them in a bad light on the international stage and it also shows that this is just another ally that the president doesn't care about. he doesn't handle foreign relations appropriately and the press doesn't challenge him. the one thing i hoped after the trump administration is every president would be challenged the way the press challenged president trump. that is not the case.

they are kept in line. they know if they don't write their questions down, they're not going to be called upon. it's a form of control the white house communication staff is using to make sure they coddle this president. i don't want our presidents to be coddled. i want him to be challenged. >> emily: that's right and a respectful manner we didn't see in the prior administration either. to the point about the topics, i'm all fine with the idea if the volume is there, so this question wasn't word-for-word. ok, fine. it's mostly similar but to what you said earlier, i would -- it would be great if the president said, all right, this is what we're going to talk about. we have 100 topics. great. let me know. that's not the issue. the issue is the coddling, hand-holding and the control this administration continues to exert over the press core. we now have new information as well about his standings along with other democratic presidential contenders. >> kayleigh: yeah, that's right. i want to underscore your statement about the topics. when you're in the press core,

your job is to best get information to the people. to your point, kennedy, very well said being challenged. any authority figure, president should be challenged that behooves the american people. yes. new information, new fox polling. marianne williamson at 9%. robert f. kennedy jr. now at 19%. biden at 62%. what's interesting is you see robert kennedy jr. who was at 14% in other polls and now surge 5 points, look, it's a long shot for either of those two to beat an incumbent president. i think joe biden will be the nominee. what makes this poll particularly interesting to me. nbc headline, why biden may forfeit the first contest in his re-election bid to marianne williamson or rfk jr. what they say is new hampshire is trying to hold their primary first ahead of the schedule biden and the dnc set for south carolina and in doing so, his name may not be on the ballot unless he accepts dnc penalties which williamson and kennedy said they'll accept so he would have to rely on a write-in

campaign in new hampshire so he could potentially lose new hampshire. still will win the nomination. i believe he'll win the nomination. interesting insider baseball there. >> emily: the plot thickens, everyone. we'll keep you posted. coming up, the white house now unveiling its plans for the future of the border crisis with title 42 set to end in just two weeks. trients to support immune, muscle, bone, and heart health. yaaay! woo hoo! ensure with 25 vitamins and minerals and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we tried electric unicycles. i think i've got it! doggy-paddle! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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challenge. lack of economic opportunity continue to push people from their homes. crisis of governance, extreme weather events caused by the changing climate. >> beginning on may 12th, we'll place eligible individuals who arrive at our southern border in expedited removal proceedings. >> emily: the latest fox tracking numbers estimate our southern bored corps see up to 15,000 border crossings per day after title 42 expires. emily, do you have much cause for hope in this new plan? >> i don't because the plan in true form and fashion of this administration involves dumping a bunch of money for things that are a long-term impact. there's no short-term triage. there's no acknowledgement of the absolute flood we've been enduring in this country especially in the state and local level for so many years now thanks to the open policies.

building -- how long is building the centers going to take? why isn't there immediate action happening? think about your tax dollars that are will go in such an inefficient, large format for something that will have results five years from now? we know they're ramping up resources to local governments and ngo's, they say, but what about the $428 million this president took away from the border patrol just last march? nothing will happen when you put money towards additional resources in the future if right now what needs it right now is totally lacking! >> marie, blinken went onto say he wants an immigration system that's save, orderly and hue hain but when you look at cvp numbers, specifically from february, 16 terror watch list arrests at our border, 900,000 migrants from 147 countries since the fiscal year began. it doesn't seem very safe or orderly. >> marie: or humane. the stories we see are heartbreaking. secretary mayorkas announced dhs

will step up enforcement at the border. we'll get more details on what that looks like. i actually hit it regional processing centers might be able to be set up pretty quickly if we can process people before they get to the border. i think that'll help greatly in terms of the crush at the border. but as we know, there's a problem and people coming to legal points of entry and trying to claim asylum as they're permitted to do under inner national law and a huge problem between those ports of entry, right? we know the drug problem, for example s mainly through ports of entry. >> and outside of that. >> marie: there's a whole bunch of problems here. we need to do all of the above. i know i sound like a broken record but every time we talk about immigration, it's congress, congress, congress. we need legislative action. we've seen executive branches try to do this through -- >> going back to mexico? that's the executive branch. >> marie: in order to have longer-term solutions emily is talking about, we need congress to act. we can't do this through executive action. >> jason, they rolled back the trump era immigration policy we

simply didn't have this problem when my old boss was in office. >> jason: to marie's point f people want to advocate for immigration reform, great! do that. democrats had the house and senate in the presidency and didn't do that so until they, you got to enforce the current law. that's what they're not doing. it is illegal to go and enter this country between a port of entry. that calls for the immediate -- they should be detained. they get fined. they get incarcerated and they get deported. that's not what this administration is doing. they're doing catch and release. for secretary blinken to go up there and talk about climate change and economic opportunity, none of that qualifies for asylum. that would disqualify you for asylum. you can't come and say i'm looking for better economic opportunity and i happen to be an lgbtq. that's not what the law says! the law says you have to fear

persecution and torture. if you don't meet both of those cry syria, you are not qualifying for asylum. that's not what they're doing. enforce the current law. stop giving the rewards and incentives. go find those 85,000 kids you released that you don't even know where the heck they are! talk about immoral! do that first! you don't need new processing centers in el salvador. we have embassies and consulates. i like the idea you can apply there but go ahead and apply but if you come to this country illegally, you're going to get deported. > >> take a listen to this kennedy. this is kjp this week. >> it's clear the speaker's bill breaks republicans commitment to america in run up to the 2022 election, house republicans promised to put cops on the beat. instead, they're fighting to put fentanyl on the street by defunding border patrol. >> republicans are fighting to

put fentanyl on the street that's coming across biden's lawless southern border. got it. >> kennedy: fentanyl it is a drug. the united states lost the drug war. the drug war is a cause as for many of the central and south american countries completely imploding yet where's our border czar talking about the root causes she's had over a year to scratch her chin over? instead, she's being pushed out of the way by another man who is man slinging. anthony blinken, our secretary of state who apparently is getting his talking points from president biden. i look at blinken and my orcas and the southern border and the immigration crisis and the border security crisis those two together, the only thing they should be saying next to each other is we resign. both of you should resign. you should be ashamed of yourselves. your entire tenure, both of you, has been a miscarriage of justice and truth and you should be ashame of yourselves what you're doing to kids and to

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>> new questions surround the exit of nbc ceo jeff shell. after three years at the helm, the high-profile departure comes after nbc's parent company comcast launched an outside investigation into the claims of misconduct surrounding an inappropriate relationship with a woman in the company and shell. the decision to hire outside counsel to investigate is a notable move some insiders are questioning why the company decided to go this route now

when they've not always done so in the past. one former nbc senior executive tells fox news digital, "it's curious nbc did an outside investigation of jeff shell when it stubbornly refused to do one of its news division in the wake of the matt lauer fiasco." former nbc journalist rich mccue now saying this "any serious investigation of executives has to be done from outside the company, period. i imagine when this woman came forward, they calculated the misconduct was isolated and an outside investigation wouldn't find what it would have found when lauer's misconduct was exposed." of course, we go to emily compagno on this. >> emily: to me, what's so mind-boggling is they didn't enlist outside counsel to your point, kayleigh. everyone knows you always enlist outside counsel to these investigations, not just legally for the appearance of objectivity but to ensure and assure the objectivity. there's no way any in-house results that a company can stand by without going outside and

keep in mind as well that when nbc refused to enlist outside counsel in the wake of the matt lauer scandal, it was already in the climate of what then chairman lack had done which is quash roanin ferrell's story. his story won the pulitzer prize and launched the me too movement and came to light the executives quashed it saying it wasn't fit to print. then the matt lauer scandal happens and they refuse to enlist outside counsel to conduct the review. instead they allow the inside counsel to conduct that review which found unwaveringly it was a toxic environment. at the time, it was certainly widespread. then lack was out. then shell took his place and shell's first order of business was to clean up that toxic culture so this certainly doesn't come out of nowhere. it comes after a string of extremely poor decisions not only at the corporate level optically but in terms of

setting and upholding the standards there at nbc. remember actually during the presidential debates, the campaign in 2016, a bunch of democrat candidates signed onto a letter including tom tire, corey booker, kamala harris, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, they called on the dnc to say clean up nbc before they host the debate. it was that bad. this, again, comes along that landscape. it's a good decision now but certainly why did it take so long? what level of toxicity and swampiness will this investigation unearth? >> kennedy, they quashed roanin ferrell's reporting. that isn't the only journalistic blonder from nbc. they retracted the paul pelosi report without explanation. maybe incurring favor with the pelosis. who knows? they falsely reported a slaughter-house employed an underaged migrant worker. the man was 21 years old. >> kennedy: the media companies exist on the coast for

people on the coasts. they've lost touch with american values and with so many people in the country and the only thing i can think of with this firing is maybe they learned something from the matt lauer saga. maybe they learned just, you know, how messy and inappropriate and multi-laird it could get and to rich mccue's point, you cannot be objective when the people who can fire you have charged you with investigating them. >> right. jason? >> jason: i'm ready to go to commercial. [laughter] honestly, i think these personnel issues are really difficult because you rarely hear both sides. i just feel bad if anyone has to go through a toxic workplace like this. this guy was in a position of power. i don't know all the details of it but, you know, i'm glad he's getting sorted out and hopefully, you know, hr departments learn from these things. >> kayleigh: marie? >> marie: to kennedy's point, we've learned a lot since roanin ferrell set off the me too movement with some of his reporting and others from the

"new york times." hr departments have learned a lot, right? ok, five or six years ago they didn't know what to do or have the best instincts. hopefully now they're learning. hopefully now at nbc, there's more smooth sailing ahead after this. >> kayleigh: coming up, a transgender marathon runner outpaces 14,000 other women as former olympians call for fairness in women's sports. more that next. out here, you're more than just a landowner. you're a gardener. a landscaper. a hunter. because you didn't settle for ordinary. same goes for your equipment. versatile, powerful, durable kubota equipment. more goes into it. so you get more out of it.

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14,000 women's runners. after backlash on beating out the female runners, she offered to give back the finisher's medal after the race. if they want me to give back my medal, fine. no problem. if they really think i've stolen the place of a female runner, i'll give it back. i'm not a woman. i don't have a womb. i didn't compete as an elite so i didn't steal any money. former olympian is speaking out calling out her actions as unfair. here is marya on america's newsroom earlier this morning. >> it's absolutely unfair. males run on average 10% faster than females. this is the lower end of the male/female performance gap. in 2009 when i was still competing in the marathon in the elite level, i was ranked second in the world in women's road running but in that year alone, more than 1,000 or at least 1,300 men run faster than me. if we didn't have the female

category for females only, i would be a complete nobody. every female would be a complete nobody. we wouldn't have females in sport. that's why the male and female categories exist. >> jason, take her point there and then apply it with frank's comments as well where she said next year -- fine, i'll run in the male category and run in the other and i won't take anybody's medal. isn't that exactly the point critics are arguing? yes, scientifically you have greater lung capacities and greater muscles, please compete in a category that biologically protects not only your standings and your ability but also those of the biological women competing? >> jason: fundamentally i believe there should be a men's category and a women's category and it should be as simple as that but i got to tell you having read this article with an open mind, i was fairly sympathetic with this person

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lives in and is surrounded by white supremacy culture and that's a real thing and there's nothing about string or wind instrumental music that's intrinsically white supremacist however the ways in which all of our institutions allow white supremacy culture to continue to be propagated and cause insignificant institutional violence are things we have to think about carefully as a community. >> over to jason chaffetz for a translation! >> jason: this is so shameful? music unites us. it's something a child could learn and use the rest of their life. it could touch their hearts! that has nothing to do with race. shame on them for cutting it out. reading, writing, arithmetic, let's do that. they should also have music.

i really think it's important. i think i missed out a lot in my life but not engaging more in music. we're talking about fourth graders for goodness sakes! of course, they should be engaged in music. >> music promotes white supremacy culture and significant institutional violence, i think you have thoughts! >> they didn't say how. this is a wonderful billboard for school choice. take your children to a music-heavy school. leave this god-awful system. leave the institutions behind. they're harming your children. >> do you think this talking point say good one for the left, marie? >> marie: look, i'm not sure that guy represents the left. i won't blame him. >> i'm not claiming him on the right. >> marie: i think we need more music education in our schools. not less. we need more children learning about the arts. one of the ways to fight against racism or things this person cared about is through the arts, is through expanding your cultural horizon. >> teach 'em jazz! great american art form. >> marie: this is nonsense!

this is crazy! >> it is. emily, apparently one parent said not just one or two students are fleeing the school district because they're pretty radical in general, she said hundreds. >> emily: this is olympia. this is the capital of washington state. this breaks my heart. we all know music is fundamental. it opens worlds for children. i'm so grateful i started playing the piano at age four in part because of my public school's music program. it's enriched my life. you read -- i read lenny kravi kravitz' autobiography and alicia keys with her piano music teacher. the greats and average joes have benefited so much from music. there are so many nonprofits out there like the fender music association and save our music, they are working nonstop to restore music to these underfunded, underprivileged school districts and now they're just getting wiped away because of a woke reason? you have to ensure then it's equal if there really are issues that they see.

fix it to kennedy's point. identify with specificity and fix it but don't harm and really deny the children the possibilities of growing our world so much. so many people are trying to increase and expose children to music. this really breaks my heart. >> we're being indoctrinated in corporate america. you can't pick up a beer can with virtual signaling. music is unifying. >> paul ryan used to listen to rage against the machine. they asked him to stop and he said nope, because it inspired him. >> all right, we want to get to this. famed talk show host jerry springer died at the age of 79. he start the his career as a lawyer and served as mayor of cincinnati in the late 70's and worked as a tv anchor man but, of course, he's best remembered for the controversial "jerry springer show." it ran for 27 years and was known for its outrageous guests, chair-throwing fights and profanity-filled arguments. springer defended all the wild antics calling it escapist

entertainment. his family says springer died peacefully in his home in chicago after battling cancer. he was 79. kennedy, your thoughts. >> kennedy: what an interesting career he had. he was in the army. his parents were jews who fled germany during world war ii. he was originally born in england and raised in queens. the thing i love about him that was a thread throughout his entire life was humility and curiosity. he was always very humble about his beginnings and where he was from. he never changed as a person on the inside and he always recognized universally in every single person he came across. even though they had wild stories and big fights, he knew it was entertainment but he also knew he was one of the audience members. he was beloved in the city of cincinnati. he had to reside because of a prostitution scandal but he was honest about that as well and he was able to keep his reputation intact and the fact his show ran for 27 seasons, it is unthinkable in this day and age

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only 45% think trips live up to the hype. they are saying that social media is at least partly to blame for that unrealistic vision. kennedy, you and i have had the utmost pleasure of travelling around the world together. obviously our vacations are awesome, exceed all expectations, 0 disappointment on our part. >> yes, stop trying to craft and control every aspect of your vacation, give in, be spontaneous. dive into it, don't worry about the pictures. the pictures will be there. and have a margarita. >> that's right, cheers. and kayleigh, some towns have banned selfies in italy and lake tahoe and the like, it's ruining the experience for others. >> the key is enjoying the moment. when i was on maternity leave with nash, we went to a resort in florida, when we vacation we don't go far, we live in the best state in the country, went to a resort, we are there, off season, no one is at the resort, enjoy the new baby, i put down

the phone, disconnected and two unexpected days. so the key is putting down the phone, enjoy every moment, be with your family and don't have too high of expectations. >> any friend was telling me this story, his whole family, the kids, went to disneyland and had the best time at the walmart and the kid found a lizard by the pool. you don't need money to have an amazing time. the point is the experience. >> the experience i want is sand between my toes, no phone, and a lot of sleep. that's -- i'm getting older. that's my idea of a good vacation. >> don't drink so you look so young. >> yes, yes. >> in reading the story, i thought i need a vacation, first of all, like i would like to go on one. you are right, social media has created huge expectations for everything, including vacation. i'm one of those that plan before we go away, looking at everything, because first, you know, impressions online are not

always right in reality. so, like also have a little flexibility. when you get there, roll with the punches, you don't have to plan everything. a hard lesson for me but gives you the best experiences. and we give people gifts at the holidays, give them a vacation, an experience. better than sometimes a gift. >> let's exchange gifts this year. >> deal, deal. >> thanks everyone, don't forget to dvr the show when you cannot watch us live. here is "america reports." >> after may 11th, our court compelled use of title 42 will end and once again process all migrants under title 8 of the united states code. they will be removed most often in a matter of days and just a few weeks. we are announcing today that that ineligibility will extend to individuals who take to the seas and are trying to arrive at the maritime borders. let me be clear. our border is not open, and will not be ope