if you know that you cannot fail, how big would you dream and that is how big i am dreaming. and i don't think with god's world we can never fail. ♪ shannon bream. now that president biden is in we know a lot more about how democrats feel about him as their front runner. ♪'s i'm running for reelection protects the race for the white house is on for the president framing his case for a second term. and dismissing concerns about his age. and another republican officially jumps into the gop primary challenging former president trump. >> i am a candidate for president of the united states. >> trump himself barnes farms new hampshire still firmly leading the field.

>> we are at 51% with all these people running. we are up 33 points focus was rnc chairman gentry about her party's plan to win back the white house for it and whether we are truly in for a 2020 rematch. what i do look forward to the debate with joe piglets rnc chair ronna mcdaniel only on "fox news sunday". then the house republicans claim victory passing a debt limit bill. speaker mccarthy again demanding the president come to the table. many senate democrats now agree saint it is time for the president to get real about a deal to avoid default spirit will sit down maryland democrat chris van hollen for the latest on the negotiations. and. >> you begin to look over your shoulder. shannon: one year since a leak of a draft opinion on abortion the trail running colbert will bring in a group of legal insiders on that leaks lasting impact inside this secretive world of the nation's highest court as it faces new ethics

questions. plus the florida governor ron desantis with this foreign policy cried his spat with disney escalates and his poll numbers fall. our sunday panel is here on his chances as we wait to find out whether he is running. all right now on "fox news sunday". ♪ b6 hello from foxnews in washington. now both the president biden former president donald trump are officially running in 2024 get ready to hear the word rematch a lot. the polls indicate voters in both parties are not so enthusiastic about the two front runners were admitted telling pollsters they would be open to alternatives. in a moment republican national committee chair ronna mcdaniel joins us in studio on the gop field and the biggest issue the party faces heading into 24 but first let's turn to lucas tomlinson live in washington with the look of the president strategy as he asks for a second term hello lucas.

>> shannon after months of anticipation president biden made it official announcing he will be running for reelection. >> let's finish this job. i know we can request present biden's campaign launch opens january 6 abortion protests and maga including an image of former president trump and florida governor ron desantis. biden mentions the word freedom six times in the three minute video. he did not mention his agent. the agent question came up in a press briefing. >> mr. president you plan to serve all eight years? exit >> for him to decide too. >> the press secretary cleared up the confusion later tweeting the president would serve all eight years. 2024 republican candidate nikki haley did not mince words for. >> the idea he would it make it until 86 years old is not something i think is likely. >> access to be a scary proposition but the only thing worse than joe biden presidency is a kamala harris presidency.

but slaves and gentlemen president joe biden. click here in d.c. at the white house correspondents dinner last night president biden a too big. >> look you all keep reported my approval rating is at 42% rate cap mccarthy asked me joe, what is your secret? >> this week our fox news poll show only 44% have a favorable opinion of president biden. 56% say they have an unfavorable opinion of him. >> work on talk a lot more about those polls thank you so much for joining our republican national committee chairwoman ronna mcdaniel. welcome back to "fox news sunday" piglets right to be with you thanks for having me appear. shannon: is great for having a prayer list what this report is getting a lot of attention new pesticide meeting in oklahoma city i'm told there's going be a debrief of this this is the headline from the "washington post" gop study on court 22 elections showing does not mention trump according to many in the party that would produce incomplete analysis at best. what is the point in doing an

analysis of the republican party if you're not looking at trump you're wasting your type that's in rnc member anonymously the former president is clearly the biggest voice in the room for the party. he had great sway and getting candidates for the primaries that did not do wellin general, miss the chance to retake the senate. how can you break down 2022 without talking about that president? what sum is a personal the "washington post" does not have a final draft because there is not a final draft many committees and not completed that. so that is in accurate reporti reporting. what i will say the biggest take away we are taking his independence did not break our way which has to happen if are going to win in 2024 but that's usually what causes the red wave and abortion was a big issue in key states like michigan and pennsylvania. and so the guidance we are going to get to our candidates if you have to address this head on the democrat spent three and 60 million on this and many of our candidates across the board refused to talk about it thinking we can just talk about the economy and ignore this big issue in the can't.

shannon: are still people advising republicans this way think this issue is bad fuel cost you don't do it. you have said you got to take it head on pretty want people to articulate none of the republican position but the democrat position is that so many of them are forced candidates or potential cancer talk about this still struggle with the answer. >> they are uncomfortable but they can't to be. it's not just talk about it once the democrats are putting 360 million against you on tv analyzed. those allies become the truth if you do not fight back so you need to say listen i am proud to be pro-life and read the consensus we have to find consensus among democrats and republicans but let's see where the democrats are what abortion is a bad idea nine months, eight-month? seven-month question if they cannot articulate abortions about idea gender selection? if it's a girl you get to abort tax funded abortions were it's against their religious conscience. but some on the defensive articulate where you stand and that's going to be the critical message we have to get out

before 2024. shannon: you guys have started talk about issues early voting, about harvesting that is something former president trump was one for years railed very hard against that he has softened a bit but the wall street journal has this question about whether it's too late the damage has been done for they said his criticism of mail and boating before incense is 2020 lots of chip away at gop faith in early voting polls show party started to say that's contributed to election defeats. in 2020 nationwide roughly 60% of democrats voted early in about 30% of republicans made that had been more equal in 2016 so how do you now convince people to embrace these methods that you say you need to win when there has been such a negative connotation around them? >> what i did say is we do pretty successfully 2022 in states like florida north carolina and ohio. even with the ballot harvesting would be democrats and three statewide races in nevada. we did in california and i was in montana. so we are doing at the processes gives to the democrats invest

more in that republican investors wait until the candidate is picked. until the primaries are done. democrats are always investing in the process but that's why the rnc is so critical you have to invest early if you're going to educate voters and talking about the importance of banking votes early and we need to do that. bank your boat and go be a poll watcher and sign up to work on election day. that is something we are continually to work on. we did better at that the media saying we do need to improve on that in east pennsylvania brickwork sent such a critical state so many of these races nationally and senate races and others in gubernatorial's but let's talk about debates. those are coming for president trump said no and consulted him or his campaign about the debates you have announced thus far for iming and assuming you are in conversation with all these campaigns is that accurate? >> we are talking to all the campaigns and potential campaigns not everyone has announced yet i have talked to dave bossi he was right in the debate committee has talked to met with all the candidates.

yes we are talking with them all the time but no we are not asking them or shall he have it? who should be the moderator that should be inappropriate. what i do know is were going to have a great field the next president of the nine states is going to be on a debate stage. shannon: he has had some things whether or not he'll be on that debate states only play little but what he said a couple weeks ago. >> in the way up you don't do debates if you are even or down you do debates. but when you are way up to what is purpose of doing a debate? shannon: he also wrote untruth to socials if you are leading what he is called seemingly insurmountable numbers will get to the polls, why subject to be libeled and abused question at what happens if he doesn't show up? >> that is his choice every candidates going to make that calculation they're going to side window i announced i go to iowa? do i go to new hampshire? do i debate? that's going to be his decision but i think the american people want to see the candidates. they want to see what they are articulating and especially what is your plan to take us out of the misery of joe biden? what are you going to do to help our kids in school who were done

with pencil and tiktok. when you're going to do to help us get energy independent customer people are really hurting right on this country. i look at the debate not just about republican against republican and i look at us our party making a case as to why we should win the white house and defeat joe biden. that is one of the factors as to say everyone should go on the debate stage. shannon: he missed an opportunity as a come or cease sparing himself a potentially taking shots and hits that are tougher any campaign. >> he's going to make that determination, his campaign will make that determination. i will just say this, people are struggling and they want to see our plan as a party of how were going to win i think it's important to get on the debate stage. but also remember hey, who are we against? it is joe biden. who is doing this to joe biden? joe biden. one of the other takeaways we took wife and that midterms in 2022 we just don't need independence we need every republican. we need to bring every republican together who had states were republicans would not vote for republican nominees and that was a big factor why we

lost some key senate races. so we need to come together and a member who we are against in november and that is going to be this biden white house it is destroying our country. shannon: you feel like sometime just to remind them former president about that message she has been very influential and races. think back to georgia couple cycles back people felt they were going to show up because he told them something unfair was going on. >> and there's a lot of people that need to be reminded that we need to remember its joe biden. i think the voters feel that they feel the angst and they say that to me all the time for it we need party unity. wage bring everybody together because what their doing to our country's writing. well not want to have the american 11 this continues and they stack the supreme court of the get rid of the filibuster if they banded energy independence. we are still beholden to china. china is running this white house in a lot of ways. china's recent pencils coming across our border trying to take their kids out on tiktok. we sold our strategic petroleum reserve to china this is an administration that's more china

first in america first the american people want to present who cares about them. basically talk about this trip president currently has to go back into 24 this a basically want to do it they did in 2020 at work for him. and what they think worked in the midterms in 2022. late low, keep the spotlight on what they call magic maga extremist went op ed piece put it this way mr. biden's biggest advantage may not come from anything he has actually done but instead it might come the chaos among republicans. this is welcome news the present is fond of telling voters we heard him set do not compare me to the almighty compare me to the alternative. democrats want to point to split apart everything from weather president trump she was a nominee or where to draw the line on abortion, how to have a conversation. how worried are you about the president's message that he's going to point to you guys and say to america they are too divisive, they are you cannot trust them. what's receiving this happen i'm not surprised is going to heidi's head from the press he said from the american people he doesn't take tough questions he

does not have to answer for anything. many scandals in his presidency. he's going to hide again and mostly media will allow him to do that he is right about one thing we cannot win if we are not united british republicans don't vote for other republicans we are not going to it we don't just need all republicans we need independence too. you know shannon, republicans are migrating their migrating to red states, why question what we've got great governors across the country, low taxes, our policies work but it means the white house electorally is not unable to us unless we got the purple or blue states in those states are getting bluer because red voters are moving to red states. this is very, very critical that we understand the path to the white house runs not just their independence but every single republican getting on board. shannon: you have an idea about the pledge cosmic we have everyone sign a pledge? they did this in 2016 including jump before his present balked at the intake you want to spend the debate stage f to support the nominee i asked governor hutchinson about it last week he is officially in now he did not

the sound of the pledge, what is the status? what the master republican voter go to her voters and say do you think it is so critical if you get on the republican national committee debate stage you're going to support the eventual nominee and everyone will say yes they do not want to see someone take up our time and talk about all of these things unless they pledge to be joe biden they do not have to like each other. they do not have to hang out after this. i don't care about that. i want you to be focused on beating joe biden that pledge is critical to the voters who do not want to see republicans come out of this and focus more on each other than winning the white house. space is him to about cultural issues we've gotten polling the trans issues, polling higher people are more worried voters are about attacks on trans families and trans people competing in sports. when asked about issues involving schools the top concern you can see his book banning. now there's a major donor to the gop is unhappy going to hold his monadic doesn't like the debates

about abortion, bathrooms and all of that. are you worried these cultural issues are heard in the gop? >> one than democrats are using book banning that the light republicans are doing to protect her children parental rights sink a five year old should not be reading sexually explicit materials but ron desantis in front of cameras and read some of these books the new stations had to go away because the auteur was so explicit. now another game play on, right question rick we could have a conversation about issues what it's about his parents should have a say what's happening with our kids. i think most americans support that is good to know the democrats playbook were going to push back, especially coming from a democrat party that is banning freedom of speech for that is canceling people that destroying your life if you don't think with their orthodoxy per this is a democrat party missing if you think outside the box of everything we're dictating to you will make you lose your job it will destroy you. so they are banning people there banning freedom of speech and freedom of thought but

republicans are protecting children. shannon: will see on the campaign trail much had to come. up next is renewed pressure on democrats to potentially hold primary debates even with the president biden as an incumbent in a clear primary front runner to bring democratic senator next to asking whether the party should bring in all three declared candidates to their debate stage

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but the presence officially said he is running again, he faces serious new scrutiny from democrats. that is in part because he already has two primary challengers that means pressure to explain his record and

pressure on the party to maybe hold primary debates rejoining out to discuss democratic senator chris van hollen. welcome back to "fox news sunday". the present is launch the reelection but he does so get some very challenging numbers these are fox news or brand-new poles. he is a 56% unfavorable rating among registered voters; and then from national security to immigration, to the economy he is upside out all those numbers. folks are giving him a bad report card that includes democrats say they do not want to see him run. are you worried about the lack of excitement, the dissatisfaction is record going into 24? >> i am not worried he is a great record to run on. coal's will go up, poles will go down but what won't change are the facts. 12 million new jobs and sees elected president which is a historical record. including the greatest growth in manufacturing jobs in 40 years. record low unemployment, 3.5 i should say the lowest in 50

years. he's got a great economic record to run on. inflation is coming down it's obviously been an issue. but i think it's got a great record to run on the polls will bounce around as they always do. the president said last night just quote him do not compare me to the almighty compare me to the alternative. let's us with the lines will hear again and again you talk about the economy but it's not translink to the average american the polling also shows and people were asked how personally you are doing it's all about our families and how they are doing under our roof 70% said things are getting worse for them. that's happening on the president's watch. >> when things are seeing in polling sees day is great polarization between democrats and republicans even on questions on how your feeling on the economy. exit majority of democrats in the polls and things are getting worse for them. >> the issue of inflation has been very real for the good news is it's coming down. the other good news is the most recent economic reports shows people real wages are going up.

so wages have not been going up especially for lower and middle income families at a faster pace than inflation. those are real gains and i think they will continue. so look, i've assumed it's happening the economy will also change. i think the structural pieces of it are sound and that's what's going to be important going into the election. shannon: when you make about the debate over sage nbc cbs samples out including democrats they are very worried about the issue of age. even if some of biden's close advisers concede his age has diminished his energy significantly limiting his schedule. michelle goldberg's at the "new york times" as it think it's a great present but adds it's hard to ignore the toll of biden's ears no matter how hard elected democrats try. she says essentially should be taking a victory lap not launching a campaign what about the issue of age? >> i was so the president last night he was in fighting form. i saw him at the event was south korean president again great at

the press conference. so look, i think people should judge presidents on their performance in the record not on their age. the president has a great record i talked with some the economic factors. he has also been one of the most productive president in recent history when it comes to legislative record. major bipartisan victories. we have the infrastructure bill we had the chips and science bill to make sure we are more competitive vis-à-vis china and others in the veterans health care bill there were also major winds when it came to bringing down the cost of prescription drugs. and appoint more clean energy. so shannon, what i would say is look at his record, fed us we should be judging people are not on age. shannon: what you make of that or joe manchin labor democratic college is very critical of those major legislative successes for the white house the inflation reduction act. he sets us not being implemented the way it was written he's

talking if there's a vote on repeal he would vote for it he has been voting with republicans quite a bit on a number of key issues recently. he's got a lot of criticism for this president. >> joe biden is doing what any senator should do which is sticking up for states. and using his leverage however he can. and that is what joe biden. shannon: there are two joe's request exactly that's what joe manchin is doing when it comes to these issues breeze fighting for west virginia and using his leverage wherever he can. i think if you look at the results of the inflation reduction that people are already seeing their prescription drug costs coming down. people on medicare. that is real. as is the deployment of clean energy. in my state of maryland we are going to have 10,000 new jobs because of offshore wind energy driven by reductions. shannon: when you making out on investments saying it's going to be way more expensive than we thought it was going to be on

issues like green energy? >> first of all we have a buffer room. the bill reduce the deficit over a ten-year period by $250 billion. that fact there is a greater appetite for clean energy is actually a good thing when it comes to both jobs and the climate crisis. so that bill has a built in buffer unlike many of the bells are public and collects past like the trump tax cuts. this was actually something that reduce the deficit. shannon: bill watch of the numbers continue to come and i want to talk with each of access you check the president out there and vigorous he is not done a serious sit down for the major newspapers, our pulse of 76% of people said he needs to be holding regular press conferences. he's not doing with near times of this week he has had the fewest news conferences since president reagan. the white house is basically hiding biden sei additions for another term. does that lack of access feed

this narrative is not up to the job and his staff is basically keeping him behind closed doors and that's how they plan to run the campaign much as i did during 2020s and they had to because of covid. >> janik on the presence and what he should be drew's going out around the country and meeting with people and talking about the results from his first two years. he has come to maryland more than any other president in my memory. he has been there multiple times talking about the infrastructure of modernization bill. creating new tunnels. make their for commuters. so i think what he is doing is going around the country and talking directly to people. i know that washington press corps always wants to hear more from the president for they heard from just the other day and the south korean president was here and they asked him a lot of questions including about the age issue. shannon: let's talk about debates to their democrats challenging the president within the primary rfk junior comes in

our poll at 19% spray that is a hefty number precept the only one who says they should have some primary debates. next i think he has an obligation democracy to debate anybody. i would hope he does that vagrants put joe biden up on that stage with bobby kennedy was challenging him and marianne williamson whoever steps up to the plate and let's have discussion. >> a [bleep] on sunday morning, why not? >> that's up to the president's campaign for this is early he just announced his reelection campaign. these are decisions every campaign makes. both respect to the primary and to the general. i think the president's going to keep his eye on the ball which is we need the general election for that's what's important for the country. what they decide to do the primary only time will tell. shannon: in the meantime he got to the debt ceiling issue you are all very locked-in number there's been criticism since he just not want to go sheet over anything republicans have to come to the table.

speaker got something pass and include raising the debt ceili ceiling. whose game is it now? plenty or parts of the president has made his point but they have to start negotiating. not going to negotiate with people who are threatening to literally blow up our economy. but to get their way. "that's what he said". >> it does raise the debt ceiling. >> it does. in order to raise the debt ceiling were going to cut law enforcement but we are going to cut border security. going to cut all sorts of things were going to put china back in the driver seat when it comes to clean energy. what the president is saying is not going to negotiate with someone who is actually threatening the economy, taken the entire economy hostage. he will send della speaker mccarthy to talk about these issues in the framework of the budget and the appropriations process. president biden's put a plan on

the table quite a detailed budget much more detailed speaker mccarthy in the house just past. it has $3 trillion in deficit reduction over the next 10 yea years. primarily asking very, very wealthy people billionaires and big corporations to pay more. speaker mccarthy has a plan it's about 4.5 trillion over 10 yea years. through dramatic cuts but threatening the destruction of the u.s. economy. shannon: they are clearly far apart but they've got to get somewhere. >> what you've got to do is not threaten the detonation of the economy. so for example senate mitch mcconnell years ago when we came to this kind of impasse said okay, if the congress does not want to do its job and actually pay to make sure the lysates pays the bills which as you well know our bills already due and owing. processed by the president biden is voted that as a senator. if you want to do that give the

president the authority to do it. subject to a veto of the tune override. so that is the way to do it if republicans don't want to do what is necessary to prevent the meltdown of the economy, let resident bite into that. and then let's negotiate on important issues of priorities, how you best achieve deficit reduction for republicans always talk about reducing the deficit but they never want to raise 1 penny in income taxes on very wealthy people. >> they have a difference of opinion on how to get there. but hopefully the sites have chats about et cetera thank you for coming in good to see you. cap next brenda fox news paul with some telling numbers to both presidential primaries and for the gun control debate per will bring our sunday to analyze america's mindset heading into 24 and a little humor from websites correspondence dinner ♪

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>> ron desantis had a lot of ron desantis jokes ready. mickey mouse beat it out of me and got there first. shannon: president biden joking about governor sandys to mason joined the group to unseat him. editor-in-chief and josh kraushaar. former state department spokesperson fox news contributor marie harf from utah congressman jason chaffetz

author legal commentator project 21 chairman horace cooper. welcome to all of you you made to the thunderstorm morning to make it here. let's talk about government desantis this is a political headlight he's got one. 10 million-dollar ticket to the white house. he sits atop accounts to support his canister that total and that is all without him opening in official campaign committee accounts. jason, he met with other major donors in israel this week. will the money be enough to jumpstart him for the polls say he is lagging? >> money does solve a lot of problems when you've got $110 million, more than double anybody else is going to go along way. super pacs or other spending money you see ads in that fight is already on. for the state legislatures going to pass a piece of legislation though he could declare but i think everybody understands ron desantis is running for president of the united states. shannon: here's the latest polling this is somewhat public and primary voters who they prefer at this point present up with a commanding lead of 53%

ron desantis at 21% we trickled down from there. nikki haley bumping up a little bit and vivek ramaswamy as well. but where do you think this feels it stands one headlight is donald trump inevitable? is he? >> we are very, very early i will tell you in my experience since 1993 i have not seen, after a presidential election the loser ending up in surveys prevailing over the victor. and yes, you didn't see a 93, he didn't see it 97 he did not see the 2001. you go all the way to 2017 hillary clinton never led donald trump. we are seeing now more than a dozen times in the last year donald trump ahead. that is a very good position to be in. so there is no doubt there is still a residual level of support among republicans. and apparently even among a large number of americans who

may now see the policies of joe biden may regret them. shannon: our polls show with i talked my first two guests present brightness on polling while people are mad at him at all types of topics. here the person we have had since rfk junior entered the race he comes in at nearly 20%. that is against an incumbent president, marie. >> is a lot of interesting things in these polls out also notes that people who have lower approval ratings and joe biden that includes donald trump and ron desantis. people talk about biden's approval rating is two main competitors are actually less unpopular than he is. shannon: rooted at vanderbilt and there almost equal. >> they are lower than the biden teams is good about their camping relaunch this week that start with this campaign video about freedom talking about the things republicans are doing in states from banning books to anti- lgbtq laws. they say joe biden is going to go out he's going to talk about the economy parts want to talk about the manufacturing jobs itself greatest pulses are created. on that leading candidate on the

republican side is facing multiple criminal investigati investigations. talked about independent voters rate that is to elect to joe biden. those are the people i think i'm very tired of donald trump i do not like ron desantis extreme culture or policies in the biden team is going there with their messaging this week about freedom and about getting the job done. shannon: on the issue of economy a lot of voters are swayed by that, our polling shows we talk about people not doing also talked about earlier in the show 70% said things are getting worse for their family event numbers even higher among independents and think it's on 73%. will they vote about that or will they bode about what maria saying? >> her mind about a pocket bush issues that is president biden's biggest vulnerability. i watch his reelection announcement, the video did not say a thing about policy. did not talk about the economy in it's not a coincidence because a majority -- make a clear majority of voters are worried about their economic circumstances of it if we have a

recession at the volatility in the stock market and in 401ks people are experiencing hits right on the time of the election trumpet or any other republican is capable of winning this election i think that's what's keeping democrats up at night the fact poll after poll shows a very competitive race between even biden donald trump. this is not the type of blow and i think some democrats had been anticipated the economies the x factor's going to be the biggest issue for the campaign. shannon: are a lot of other polling and hot button issues including guns i want to put this in a proposal to use gun violence and support across the bar for things like background checks which by the way i mostly don't nearly every gun sale in the country existing gun laws in force those. a lot of people for that it other things you can see here. but is there actually, jason, do you think any appetite on capitol hill to take some of these where there is wide agreement and put them into piece of legislation? >> certainly guns is on a wide

agreement after the biden ministration recently announced are going to after shooting sports rate that is not going to play well particularly in the heartland. their realities of the divided government you're not going to have much legislation anything passive as a conservative i happen to think that's a good thing i am okay with that. but i've got to tell you joe biden if he does not get out there and talk about policy, and he hasn't. talk about inflation for instance once he joe biden plan to tackle inflation? no one knows what the answer is because he does not have a plan. you combine that with the inability to communicate and a vice president who is equally as bad at communicating i think that type of situation is just right for republicans. six horse hump much i will they talk about that i spent your nikki state haley said this week she got up out of back on us for saying he might not make its 86. it does cast added tension on the vice president a person is on the ticket.

>> okay the democrats are boosting, saying, if you watch his campaign. she was all over some 16 or 17 times. they are boosting saying you vote for joe biden and you'll get kamala harris presumably that means perhaps he's not going to finish his term. i would say the real answer here is promise or threats? because she is probably the least popular vice president that we have seen in 100 years. she has not improved she has had tuna half years to get better and she has not. one quick thing about the 2022 election for the national journal in the "new york times" and both came together and said election day 2022 was at 297 electoral votes for the gop if it had been a presidential year end that republican votes outnumbered. if my dallas cowboys were favored by 20 for the super bowl and the only one by three i

would still celebrate. the left has decided they are going to try a rerun of what they did in 2022. not a real campaign, not a real platform for just a wedge don't believe it's going to work. shannon: going to quickly ask about the presents under water in nearly every major issue includes a border and immigration frittata 42 is going away on may 11. national review since you mentioned them using national journal national review is a different publication but here's what they said about the plan with the biden ministration is put together that said the plan is a lawlessness on top of lawlessness all the way down. i say it's coming the wishes of foreigners rather than the immigration limits that have been placed by elected officials here in america. >> or the secretary of state, and security this week talk about their plan for their going to search resources to the border for the going of reprocessing centers and other countries to try to help stem this crush of people we are seeing. but democrats will also say do we have been making policy with passing bills to been rebuilding

your communities and republicans in congress have done nothing about this issue they seem to care about it's all rhetoric that is what you will hear. >> immigrations on the weakest issues for the democrats the white house can talk about what they are doing that once teleported to goes away, if you see a surge of illegal migrants crossing the border it's going to be a big waits on the political fortunes of the democratic party. shannon: all sides and at that is coming and maybe panel think of going to see next sunday put up nexus on washington's biggest mysteries who leaked to the supreme court draft ruling on abortion a year ago. now one of the justices said he's got a good idea who it was for will discuss with the panel's insiders who know the court very well, next.

shannon: at just one year ago an unknown person kicked off a firestorm by leaking a draft of a supreme court ruling on abortion. the ruling, published by politico suggested a legal earthquake was coming. as he justices are poised to overturn roby weight justice wakes up in court justice samuel alito told the wall street journal his theories about who leaked the draft and why. my panel of legal insiders including multiple former supreme court clerks joins me live it. but first a look at what happened once that draft in public. pro-choice and pro-life groups and flooded the streets in front of the supreme court as soon as the high-stakes draft ruling elite too. demonstrations did not stop there. as abortion rights group protested outside the republican appointed justices homes.

the justices themselves were stunned at the breach of trust the least exposed. >> is beyond anyone's understanding or at least anyone's imagination. that someone would do that for. >> chief justice john roberts quickly or of the to conduct an internal investigation. eight months the marshal was cannot find that late link could not find out how they did that. the justices left with the fallout progress look where we are. the trust in that belief is gone forever. it changes the institution fundamentally. you begin to look over your shoulder. >> what assets are about the polls one of the justices who dissented from the landmark opinion sought to reassure. we have to have continuing face in the court system, and our system of government continuing the battle each day.

to regain the public's confidence. shannon: we have a powerhouse legal panel to talk one year after they can facing new ethics question judicial crisis network president former clerk for justice clarence thomas. constitutional accountability president elizabeth. george washington university law professor former clerk for justice thurgood marshall. legal partner cooper and kirk former clerk for justices samuel alito. thank you all for giving us your time today we appreciate this when you're out we still have more questions and answers, most of us. i want to read something from the wall street journal or justice alito speaking out this week about this. i personally have a pretty good idea who is responsible. it was part of an effort to prevent the dobson draft from becoming the decision of the courts and that is how it was used for the six or people on the outside as part of the campaign to try to intimidate the court. megan, you clerked for the

justice. apparently we will never know who leaked this draft opinion the dobbs case because of the standard as justice alito said is very high. it's very clear with the intention of this person was it was to influence the outcome of dobbs free to change that decision. the effect was predictable posada mensa public pressure on the justices including protests outside of their home, threats on their lives. and one man appearing at justice kavanaugh's doorstep with the intent to kill. this ultimately diminishes our confidence for all of americans. it really affects all of us because this person had a vigilante impulse what they could not accomplish within the lot they thought they would try to encompass outside of it. shannon: he talks about frustration and finger-pointing of conservative justices or someone supporting the decision saying essentially they became targets of assassination. >> absolutely print that's why this is clear it was not someone from the right he would do this

but since everyone from day one is understood the goal here to try to change the opinion was something that would come from the left. the threats were obviously targeted at the conservative justices. up to and including the threat of assassination. doctor singh of the justices where they attend church, or the children go to school. this is really a serious problem for the justice safety and for the internal workings of the court. shannon: a lot of frustration we never got those answers. from the supreme court's public release and talked about the investigation in general this year some individuals admitted the till their spouse or partner about the draft dobbs opinion the vote count in violation of the court's confidentiality rules. professor someone who has clerk there to that surprise at all? what did surprise me. the justices, we soon i was there they made it very clear they trusted you and you not to talk to anybody about what was going on until an opinion was announced. i think we had here do that and

we understood how important it was. shannon: elizabeth do you think we will ever know question requires your thought about the impact of people being able to trust the court of what goes on there? absolutely. i think the leak has had a really enormous impact on the court itself, on the inter- workings of the court. i think that we have seen as justice thomas said in your intro, this trust inside the court. i think if we look outside the court the leak itself was not really what has caused these changes and poll numbers and having faith in the supreme court. it's really about what was in the draft opinion that was leaked. i think if you are ken's working hard try to put food on the table, take care of their kids they are probably not following the leak a story super closely. are pretty much everyone knows roe versus wade was overturned. >> with specific reference to justice thomas concurrence in dobbs.

in future cases and precedents including lawrence, here is that president biden said that day about that portion. >> justice thomas said as much and explicitly called to reconsider the right of a marriage equality, the right of couples to make their choices on contraception. this is extreme and dangerous path the court is now taking us on. >> cara we have heard those words used a lot. extreme, this court cannot be trusted it is illegitimate. >> eat legitimacy attacks are really amount to name-calling but we know these justices were all afforded by the president, conferred by the senate they won the important things about that concurrence as it has allowed people to demagogue about issues that not with the opinion is about for justice thomas frequently writes concurring opinions that talk about other theories that maybe he is the

only one and the justice in the court to hold it. certainly are not was going on before the case. the court in the opinion made very clear clearly limited to abortion. it is also very clear while justice thomas is willing to consider rethinking due process does not mensa most rights might not come into other areas because justice thomas believes which other justices don't follow. there certainly are not a large number of votes for that on the court right now. i think most of this is demagoguery and trying to change the subject from the limited nature that opinion itself are clearly significant but it does not have the impact that some people are trying to henne penny about. shannon: he has been in the headlines many others have been recently here are some of them on ethics questions pro public is an clarence thomas secret life of luxury big vanity fair also made big money from a dubious real estate deal. politico jane roberts is made of chief justice john roberts made $10.3 million in commissions for elite law firms, whistleblower

documents show. professor, what do you make of these calls for the court now to step up, draft and adopt a code of conduct? was is long overdue for the court to have a code of conduct. these revelations are historic. you look back whose misconduct involved $20000 in payment, you look at the history the supreme court has been great about avoiding financial improprieties in life. this has called into question for good reason the effects of this court. >> the federalist says this though. the only that matters is creating the perception that conservative justices are corrupt rates part of a concerted effort to delegitimize a supreme court that is still occasionally opposed a semblance of constitutional limits on the state. the one thing still stay in the way of progressive progress. megan, when you make a bet of these headlines in these questions? >> that headlines or political mudslinging for the justices here did not do anything wrong. some of them accurately reported

transactions and some did not report that no one would have to report for the purposes exactly the article said. it is to influence the outcome of the court and to do so illegitimately by their democrats in congress to impose restrictions on the justices in order to exert more control over their lives part of the lives of their spouses. and ultimately to influence outcomes. justices need to recuse themselves or replace it. and so it really affects the makeup of the court and how cases are decided. shannon: is coming at the backdrop of a bipartisan called the senate a bill to foresee justices to write and adopt the. to conduct. there is an interesting opinion piece in the "washington post" that said it is possible that is one branch infringing on another and there really separate for good reason and there are corruption laws their patient for the justices they are still subjected to those kinds of things. quickly the constitution by the supreme court obviously subject to checks and balances just like the other branches of governm government. it is required under the law we

have both the appearance and the reality of impartiality when it comes to our judicial branch. the supreme court is the highest court in the land that should be even more true. i think the idea they are not bound to an ethics code in the same way that every lower federal court judge is, perhaps suggest the appearance of impartiality will put a part of the reality for moment, is not really getting through to the public. i think it is something that is appropriate for congress during its oversight authority. engaging in its oversight authority to consider whether reform seemed to be made or not. shannon: that the appetites there in a bipartisan form and thank you all for your time today we appreciate having you in. cap next a look at what millions around the world called the original love stor

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